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Posted: 2/19/2006 4:43:51 AM EDT
I shot a .22-250 a long time ago and never fired a .308.
I am thinking about a little Presidents day gift for myself and looking for a nice bolt gun to add to the family. It would be a 100 yard target plinker bench rifle setup...and occasionaly make it out to the mountains for some longer range shooting. Mostly, I am looking for a rifle that will shoot MOA at 100 yards.

Which is more accurate?
How would recoil factor in to the choice?
I am leaning toward a .308 as I think it would be much more versatile of a round....but then I think that the .22-250 would be a perfect varmint round for longer distances.

Just looking for some all around opinions.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:29:53 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:34:44 AM EDT
How much beyond 100 yds are we talking about?
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:38:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 5:40:23 AM EDT by Specop_007]
What EXACTLY are you doing with it?
Bench/varmint I'll take a 22-250 every time. Less recoil means more trigger time before it becomes uncomfortable. I can handle alot of recoil, dont think I'm pussing out here. But none the less, when circumstances allow it I'll always choose a tool that gets thejob done without kicking my ass in the process.

If you think you might at some point want to reall hunt with it, then obviously the .308 is by far thepreferable (and usually only legal) choice of the 2.

Now if you want to go real long range, I'd step up to a 6.5 Grendel. Better ballistics, less recoil. Whats not to like?
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:39:02 AM EDT
The 22-250 is well known as a long range varmit round it will work well out to about 400yds if you need to to farther, consider the .308 I guess it all depends on what you want to do with it, 22-250 has almost no recoil, The 308 has more but it's not that bad, I guess the biggest consideration is how far out you want/ need to go.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:50:09 AM EDT

22-250 is a super target/varmint/plinking rifle. If you're not talking 400+ regularly it'll be the cats ass with little recoil and incredible vaporization into red mist of small varmint type mammals. If you want to save some coin on ammo get a .223, you lose a bit of speed down range but still very effective on varmints with even less recoil and should be well under 1moa at 100 yards. Enjoy whichever new rig you get and get good glass for it.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:58:38 AM EDT
I cant see using this for more than a 500 yard shot, and the few times I would be shooting past 200 would be rare. This would primarily be a plinker. The recoil question is more about how is would affect accuracy. Comfort isnt really an issue. I havent had much experience with big recoil target rifles and figure that a lot of recoil is going to jack up my shots more than a light recoil might. I am leaning toward the 22.250...although something in .223 would be great since I have a ton of ammo for that already and its dirt cheap at the local shows.

I also figure that the lower the recoil, the better the glass will stay at zero. I plan on getting some medium range optics for it, but obviously less shock is better than more.

Thanks for the advice.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:59:43 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 6:04:14 AM EDT
.223

Cheaper to shoot
Very accurate
Longer barrel life
Very little recoil
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 6:09:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 6:10:56 AM EDT by 2A373]

Originally Posted By Paul:
If the biggest game you plan on taking is a Bullseye then go with the .22-250. If you're actually going to hunt something then the .308. The .22-250 is cheaper to reload and develop custom loads for that all out accuracy. Recoil is very light even with full velocity rounds. The rifle will shoot flatter out to several hundred yards due to that near 4000 ft.sec. velocity. The .308 has the ability to actually kill animals bigger than a bunny and does have a healthy amount of recoil making going prone to knock off 250 rounds into a target not very pleasant.

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The Remington 700 VSS in .308 is in the back with a Leupold mil-dot variable scope. The Ruger 77 Mk II in .22-250 is in the front with a third generation Springfield Armory scope (IIRC). Remember you'll probably end up spending as much for the mount, scope rings, and scope as you do the rifle. Both my rifles still have the stock trigger assemblies but both have been adjusted way down to less than 3 lbs.




Isn't the one in the back the Ruger? It looks like it has the "Target Grey" finish that Ruger uses.

And how did you adjust the trigger on the Ruger? I have one in .223 that I'd like a lighter trigger on.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 6:16:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By oulufinn:
22-250 is a super target/varmint/plinking rifle. If you're not talking 400+ regularly it'll be the cats ass with little recoil and incredible vaporization into red mist of small varmint type mammals. If you want to save some coin on ammo get a .223, you lose a bit of speed down range but still very effective on varmints with even less recoil and should be well under 1moa at 100 yards. Enjoy whichever new rig you get and get good glass for it.




Thought to self, "look to the left confirm state, yeah he's from Texas."
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 6:17:08 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 6:47:03 AM EDT
Both cartridges are capable of 1/4 MOA in a custom bolt action......I had a m70 single shot that was rebarreled in 22-250 .250 neck with a Hart 1 1/4", piller bedded, 1 1/2lb trigger ,20x unertl ect. Killed a truck load of woodchucks with it. Would shoot in the low .2's easily.

To be honest, any of the 22 centerfire can do it with a BR barrel and match bullets.



Link Posted: 2/19/2006 6:55:01 AM EDT
Accuracy depends on how precisely the rifle is built and the quality of ammo you feed it.

Does it have an aftermarket barrel? or a $20 factory barrel?
Has the action been blueprinted? or does it have sloppy factory tolerances?
Does it have a crisp, light trigger? or a heavy, creepy lawyer trigger?
Has the barreled action been fitted and bedded to the stock? free floating? or was it installed by a $7/hr factory assembly monkey?
Are you feeding it match ammo? or mil surplus delinked MG ammo that was run over by a duce & a half?
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 6:56:52 AM EDT
.308. Coondog says go with .308.
This is what he says. Do it! Do it now!!!!

This is all.....
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:01:16 AM EDT
.308. If you want a light recoiling target rifle that will shoot the lights out get a .204.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:03:36 AM EDT
get both, of course
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 7:56:26 AM EDT
I got both, winny M70 the 22-250 will do .75 5 shot groups all day long, probably do even better with someone else on the trigger, my 308 used to do as well, but not now, it needs a new barrel, so I vote for getting both.
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