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Posted: 2/18/2006 3:27:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 3:31:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2006 3:32:38 PM EDT by O_R_B_1]
Revolver:+1 Peacemaker
Pistol:+1 1911, although I do like the Hi-Power
Semi-Shotgun:+1 A5, although I do like the Benelli
Pump Shotgun: Rem 870, although I do like the Ithaca 87
Bolt Rifle: 03-A3
Semi-rifle: Garand
MG: BAR

IMHO
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 3:32:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
In YOUR opinion, what are the greatest firearms of all time, picking one per category?

Best pistols (Categories revolver, semi-auto, and other)
Best rifles (bolt action., semi-auto, auto, other)
Best shotguns (semi-auto, pump, double, etc)
And so on.

Pick as many as you like, but just one per category, please.


My picks:

Revolver: Colt Peacemaker, for its historical relevance.
Semi-auto pistol: Colt 1911
Shotgun, semi-auto: Browning Auto 5
Shotgun, double: I've gotta go with the Browning Citori O/U.
Rifle, bolt action: I'd have to go with the Winchester Model 70, pre-'64.
Rifle, semi-auto: I'm partial to the AR-15. The Garand would be my backup pick.
Heavy MG: Browning M2 HBAR. Ma Deuce.

No opinion on any categories I didn't list.

John M. Browning's work is heavily represented, obviously. I just don't think that there
has ever been a firearms designer that has been his equal.


Your turn.

CJ




I'd have to +1 everything but the garand. It was a fine weapon, don't get me wrong..but I believe the AK-47 did more to change history than the garand did.


The garand won WWII and had a place in Korea as well..but the AK has a very robust history as well.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 3:35:07 PM EDT
I have to say the AK-47 cause it's been around so long. Plus you will always see an AK on the battlefeild. But I think the new Great firearm of the future is gonna be the HK G36. I like the 5.56 round and I'll take the HK Mark 23 .45!
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 3:35:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2006 3:41:29 PM EDT by azhammer]
AK

ETA: There are many others that I'd rather have, but one can certaianly argument the fact that it is the most ''well rounded'' of fire arms and I would certainly agree that its effectivenes in battle cosequentially is second to none.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 3:36:34 PM EDT
Revolver: The Peacemaker
Semi-auto pistol: 1911
Bolt action rifle: Mauser Karibiner
Semi-auto rifle: M1 Garand
LMG: MG-42
Heavy MG: Ma Deuce
Shotgun: 870
Auto-rifle/subgun: M16 variants
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 3:37:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2006 3:38:34 PM EDT by LWilde]
Houston...we have a problem...
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 3:38:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2006 4:58:31 PM EDT by LWilde]
Not again! <sheesh>>
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 3:39:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 3:43:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
In YOUR opinion, what are the greatest firearms of all time, picking one per category?



Get the new issue of "Field And Stream" today???
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 3:46:51 PM EDT
Rifle: M16

Pistol: Bren Ten


My favorites... Maybe not the best, but thats what Im votin for..
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 3:50:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LWilde:
Revolver: The Peacemaker
Semi-auto pistol: 1911
Bolt action rifle: Mauser Karibiner
Semi-auto rifle: M1 Garand
LMG: MG-42
Heavy MG: Ma Deuce
Shotgun: 870
Auto-rifle/subgun: M16 variants



I agree with everything on that list.

LWilde is a genius!
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 4:32:05 PM EDT
I'm going to start back a little further.

The Pennsylvania Long Rifle ,AKA The Kentucky Longrifle.

As a Pennsylvanian and someone with ancestors who
produced it during and following the Revolution, I think
it deserves a mention at least.

Not many firearms could come close to it's accuracy or
range in that period.

Sure other firearms far outnumbered it ,but it allowed
marksman in the Continental Army to consistantly
kill British soldiers at distances further than they
had ever heard of a rifle accomplishing.


More modern ?
The Kalishnakov .
None else are even close.

Yeah ,it's not ours.
Give credit where it's due .
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 4:43:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By LWilde:
Revolver: The Peacemaker
Semi-auto pistol: 1911
Bolt action rifle: Mauser Karibiner
Semi-auto rifle: M1 Garand
LMG: MG-42
Heavy MG: Ma Deuce
Shotgun: 870
Auto-rifle/subgun: M16 variants



I agree with everything on that list.

LWilde is a genius! hr


+1

Dave W.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 4:47:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2006 4:49:30 PM EDT by motown_steve]

Originally Posted By LWilde:
Revolver: The Peacemaker
Semi-auto pistol: 1911
Bolt action rifle: Mauser Karibiner
Semi-auto rifle: M1 Garand AR-15
LMG: MG-42
Heavy MG: Ma Deuce
Shotgun: 870
Auto-rifle/subgun: M16 AK-47 variants



Fixed it.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 4:52:43 PM EDT
Pistol: JM Browning 1911/1935 Highpower
Rifle: M1Garrand/M16/AK47
Shotgun; Browning Auto 5
.22LR: Ruger10/22

Many others would top my list or be equal to...but I'll stick with these.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 4:54:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LWilde:
Revolver: The Peacemaker
Semi-auto pistol: 1911
Bolt action rifle: Mauser Karibiner
Semi-auto rifle: M1 Garand
LMG: MG-42
Heavy MG: Ma Deuce
Shotgun: 870
Auto-rifle/subgun: M16 variants

I prefer the SMLE to the Mauser, because of it's higher magazine capacity, and the "slicker'n snot" action, but that's just me.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 4:57:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By LWilde:
Revolver: The Peacemaker
Semi-auto pistol: 1911
Bolt action rifle: Mauser Karibiner
Semi-auto rifle: M1 Garand
LMG: MG-42
Heavy MG: Ma Deuce
Shotgun: 870
Auto-rifle/subgun: M16 variants



I agree with everything on that list.

LWilde is a genius!



AHEM... Thank you...thank you very much.

Your Humble Servant, Sir!
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 5:14:16 PM EDT
I don't know about the others but....


I like THESE.....

Link Posted: 2/18/2006 5:15:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2006 8:48:56 PM EDT by DienBienPhu54]
my choices:

revolver: Colt model 1873 single action army
semi-auto pistol: Colt M1911A1
bolt action rifle: Mauser model 1898
semi-auto rifle: M1 Garand
LMG: Bren Gun
heavy MG: Browning .50 caliber
shotgun: WWI trench shotgun
auto rifle: AK47 and it's varients

Link Posted: 2/18/2006 5:51:19 PM EDT
Revolver...........................Peacemaker
Semi-pistol......................1911A1
Bolt Rifle..........................K98K
Semi-Rifle........................M1A
Auto-rifle.........................AKM/AK-47
Pump Shotgun.................Rem 870
Auto Shotgun..................Browning A-5
Subgun............................MP-5
MG..................................MG-42
HMG...............................MaDeuce
40mm Launcher............M203


IMHO.....................
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 6:00:30 PM EDT
Revolver...........................Peacemaker
Semi-pistol......................1911A1
Bolt Rifle..........................K98K
Semi-Rifle........................M1 Garand Nuff said.
Auto-rifle......................... M16 Series TIED with AKM/AK-47
Pump Shotgun.................Rem 870
IMO WarDawg
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 6:01:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2006 6:03:04 PM EDT by Zaphod]

Originally Posted By LWilde:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

I agree with everything on that list.

LWilde is a genius!



AHEM... Thank you...thank you very much.

Your Humble Servant, Sir!




Oh, sure! Just stroke the Mustang why don't you?

That loud scraping sound you hear is LWilde trying to get his massively swollen ego through his internet connection!

The Professor has obviously never dealt with an LDO.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 6:05:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zack3g:

Originally Posted By cmjohnson:
In YOUR opinion, what are the greatest firearms of all time, picking one per category?

Best pistols (Categories revolver, semi-auto, and other)
Best rifles (bolt action., semi-auto, auto, other)
Best shotguns (semi-auto, pump, double, etc)
And so on.

Pick as many as you like, but just one per category, please.


My picks:

Revolver: Colt Peacemaker, for its historical relevance.
Semi-auto pistol: Colt 1911
Shotgun, semi-auto: Browning Auto 5
Shotgun, double: I've gotta go with the Browning Citori O/U.
Rifle, bolt action: I'd have to go with the Winchester Model 70, pre-'64.
Rifle, semi-auto: I'm partial to the AR-15. The Garand would be my backup pick.
Heavy MG: Browning M2 HBAR. Ma Deuce.

No opinion on any categories I didn't list.

John M. Browning's work is heavily represented, obviously. I just don't think that there
has ever been a firearms designer that has been his equal.


Your turn.

CJ




I'd have to +1 everything but the garand. It was a fine weapon, don't get me wrong..but I believe the AK-47 did more to change history than the garand did.


The garand won WWII and had a place in Korea as well..but the AK has a very robust history as well.



I have to be subjective on this one. ... Just for conversations sake. What History did the AK have a part in that made a change in the world ? I can really think of none . It has been a very good carbine for our foes.
Where the Garand did not win WWII and Korea it surely did give our boys a very reliable robust rifle to kill the enemy with and gave them a faster fire than the enemy had at the time with a standard rifle being compaired. It's been said before. I'll say it again...

" The M1 Garand has a SOUL" .. It speaks..... Just listen............ "Semper Primus " WarDawg
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 6:09:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2006 6:10:24 PM EDT by RikWriter]
Best pistols
revolver
SA: Colt Single Action Army .45 Colt
DA: Smith and Wesson Model 686 .357 Magnum

semi-auto
SA: 1911A1 .45ACP
DA: SIG 229 .40

Best rifles
bolt action: Mauser 98
semi-auto: FN FAL
auto: M16A2

Best shotguns
semi-auto: Benelli M1 Super 90
pump: Remington 870

Best SMG: HK MP5 9mm
Best LMG: MG42
Best HMG: Browning M2 50

Link Posted: 2/18/2006 6:11:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By smoothie:
I have to say the AK-47 cause it's been around so long. Plus you will always see an AK on the battlefeild. But I think the new Great firearm of the future is gonna be the HK G36. I like the 5.56 round and I'll take the HK Mark 23 .45!



Except I believe they are phasing out the G36...
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 6:15:37 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 6:19:19 PM EDT
I know the 1911 is loved by many, but it is really hard to justify it being the greatest of all time.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 6:20:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:
I know the 1911 is loved by many, but it is really hard to justify it being the greatest of all time.



No, not really that hard at all.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 6:22:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By triburst1:
I know the 1911 is loved by many, but it is really hard to justify it being the greatest of all time.



No, not really that hard at all.



Let's hear it.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 6:34:58 PM EDT
Revolver: Colt Single action Army, Colt python
Semi Auto Handgun(Classic) Luger
Semi Auto Handgun(Modern) HK P7M8

Shotgun Double: Parker
Shotgun Pump: Wnchester Model 12
Shotgun Semi auto: Benelli M1 Super 90

Rifle Bolt action: Steyr SSG (Mauser was used)
Rifle Lever action: Winchester 1886 45/70 (94 is more popular. but the 86 is cool)
Rifle semi auto: HK91, FAL close 2nd

SMG: Thompson (Even though a HK MP5 is better)
MG: M16
GPMG: M240 (Mag58)
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 6:38:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By triburst1:
I know the 1911 is loved by many, but it is really hard to justify it being the greatest of all time.



No, not really that hard at all.



Let's hear it.



Easy...name me one other over 80 year old handgun design that's still used in combat by active military units. The gun has been made by dozens of manufacturers, and literally thousands of custom makers and smiths. It's used in combat, in combat-style competition and in target style competition and regularly brings home the gold in both of the latter. It's sold probably hundreds of thousands of copies in its history and is still carried for defense by some police, many civilians and those military operators that are allowed. It's much harder to make a case that it ISN'T the greatest handgun of all time.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 6:38:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By triburst1:
I know the 1911 is loved by many, but it is really hard to justify it being the greatest of all time.



No, not really that hard at all.



Let's hear it.


Faithful service as the official sidearm of the U.S. military for 75 years, through two world wars and countless smaller ones?

Possessed of ergonomics and balance considered by many to be perfect?

Gifted to us by God via John Mose?

Dunno, might be a bit of a stretch.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 7:17:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 7:50:41 PM EDT
Cap and Ball Revolver: Colt Navy 1851
Single Action Revolver: Ruger Vaquero (call it an improvement over the Peacemaker)
Double Action Revolver: Colt Python (not as rugged as a Ruger, but heavenly all the same)
Semi-auto pistol: 1911
Lever Action Rifle: Marlin
Bolt Action Hunting Rifle: Steyr-Mannlicher in 6.5 mm
Bolt action Battle rifle: SMLE
Straight Pull Rifle: Schmidt Rubin
Semi-auto Battle rifle: M1 Garand
Assault Rifle: Sig 552 or HK G-36
LMG: MG-42
Heavy MG: Ma Deuce
Shotgun: Benelli Super 90 M3
Subgun: HK MP-5/10
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 8:00:34 PM EDT
Think of all the conflicts in which this weapon has been used. This gun has arguably changed history more than any other weapon in human history/warfare.

Link Posted: 2/18/2006 8:05:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bostonterrier97:
Cap and Ball Revolver: Colt 1860 Army
Single Action Revolver: Colt SAA
Double Action Revolver: Colt Python
(SA) Semi-auto pistol: 1911A1
(DA/Other) Semi-auto pistol: Glock
Lever Action Rifle: Marlin 336
Bolt Action Hunting Rifle: Remington 700 series
Bolt action Battle rifle: Enfield No.4 Mk.I*
Straight Pull Rifle: Schmidt Rubin K31
Semi-auto Battle rifle: M1 Garand
Assault Rifle: AR15/M16 series
LMG: MG-42
Heavy MG: Browning M2HB .50BMG
Shotgun: Remington 870
Subgun: HK MP5/10



My list, with minor changes
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 8:08:14 PM EDT

Revolver: sw 629
Semi-auto pistol: glock17
Bolt action rifle: Mauser
Semi-auto rifle: fal
LMG: MG-42
Heavy MG: M2
Shotgun: 870
Auto-rifle: ak
Subgun: mp-5
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 8:43:16 PM EDT
Revolver: Colt 1860
Semi-auto pistol: Colt 1911 (not a 1911 kool aid drinker but have to admit it set a standard)
Shotgun, semi-auto: Benelli M3
Shotgun, pump: Rem 870 (tough as nails)
Rifle, bolt action: Mauser (the action in which all are judged)
Rifle, semi-auto: Garand (revolutionary)
Heavy MG: Maxim (changed warfare forever)
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 8:49:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2006 8:50:57 PM EDT by mpearcex]


I know I don't have to identify this baby.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:42:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By GrahamD:
Think of all the conflicts in which this weapon has been used. This gun has arguably changed history more than any other weapon in human history/warfare.

www.ak-47.net/ak47/magyar.gif



I hope Im not comeing across as being an ass when I ask this. Im not.Just trying to broaden our conversation alittle. So I will ask again. How and when did the AK help or played a part of History as a change like we are talking about. Nazi Germany being beaten was a Change. Very big Change. Korea was a slap to the communist that was over running the South .It showed the UN wasn't a paper tiger. It helped set up change in Communist thinking habit's about the WEST and what we would do. I know alot of political stuff could be added in there. Im talking about the over all rifle that made a big impact that swayed change in one form or another. The AK I can't say did that. It's agreat weapon. I have many. I don't know everything.... So Im asking how and where??? WarDawg
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:46:52 AM EDT
Rifle? FAL.

Pistol? 1911.
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