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Posted: 2/17/2006 8:00:48 PM EDT
The other thread about nukes made me think of something my history teacher told me in high school that I always thought was rubbish but never checked it out.

He claimed that the US and Russia have nuclear weapons powerful enough that if a single one of them were detonated, it would throw the Earth off its axis.

B.S.? My gut says yes.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:01:20 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:02:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:



Yes, I'm a dumbass for even asking, but what the hell, I'll take some lumps
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:03:40 PM EDT
Was he a SEAL?
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:04:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/17/2006 8:32:27 PM EDT by clement]
87,000% BS

Although if you want to get into it, technically when I jump, for the time I am in the air, the earth is knocked, ever so slightly off it's axis, you know something about newtons laws (just the mass difference is so large it really isn't measurable).
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:05:04 PM EDT
I hope he's not your driving instructor also.

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Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:05:08 PM EDT
this is y he teaches history, and not science...
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:05:37 PM EDT
are you channeling deej?
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:05:44 PM EDT
That nuke would have to have the power of a chuck norris roundhouse kick and a squatdog full power shot, at once.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:05:55 PM EDT
He probably learned that in Space Shuttle Door Gunner school, they aren't supposed to talk about that kind of stuff though. Did he disappear shortly after he told ya'll that?
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:06:28 PM EDT
total BS.

If you want to learn something and be entertained in the process, goto vce.com and order the atomic video box set for around $100. VERY cool.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:08:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:
The other thread about nukes made me think of something my history teacher told me in high school that I always thought was rubbish but never checked it out.

He claimed that the US and Russia have nuclear weapons powerful enough that if a single one of them were detonated, it would throw the Earth off its axis.

B.S.? My gut says yes.



Actually, the Soviets in the 50's and 60's considered building a doomsdays machine, similar to the one in Dr. Strangelove, that would be automated and detonate if it detected radiation coming off the Russian motherland; that any attempt to destroy the USSR by sneak attack would have resulted in destroying the entire world.

It was scrapped as a bad idea. But it was feasibly possible; thermonuclear bomb yields are only limited by the fuel you have available to feed it. Imagine having a supertanker-sized thermonuclear bomb. It could wreck the planet.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:09:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:



Yes, I'm a dumbass for even asking, but what the hell, I'll take some lumps



I once had a science teacher tell me that ground launched ballistic missiles burned up all their fuel before they cleared the ground, and their momentum carried them to their targets! Her so called reasoning was that the heat signiture would point out their location otherwise!!! I wish I could go back in time and ask her about the velocity needed to reach orbit, and why were multi stage rockets needed, and that the fact that any superpower already knew where the silos were.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:15:32 PM EDT
BS.

That'd be pretty fuckin' sweet though.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:16:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By roboman:
The other thread about nukes made me think of something my history teacher told me in high school that I always thought was rubbish but never checked it out.

He claimed that the US and Russia have nuclear weapons powerful enough that if a single one of them were detonated, it would throw the Earth off its axis.

B.S.? My gut says yes.



Actually, the Soviets in the 50's and 60's considered building a doomsdays machine, similar to the one in Dr. Strangelove, that would be automated and detonate if it detected radiation coming off the Russian motherland; that any attempt to destroy the USSR by sneak attack would have resulted in destroying the entire world.

It was scrapped as a bad idea. But it was feasibly possible; thermonuclear bomb yields are only limited by the fuel you have available to feed it. Imagine having a supertanker-sized thermonuclear bomb. It could wreck the planet.



That is correct, but the main threat was massive radiation and not an earth shattering detonation.

The only reason they didn't do it was that they wouldn't have full control over it.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:18:52 PM EDT
Now wait just a second young man.
This is your history Teacher.

You bet you little punk ass that they could blow the earth off its axis.

And If you don't show up to my class They'll do it to...

PS... I will be telling the easter bunny, santa clause, the tooth fairy about this little mis-happ
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:21:16 PM EDT
Not complete BS, the UN and the Illuminati do have a bomb that would cause a new world order.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:22:47 PM EDT
THE full power shot…
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:24:40 PM EDT
Ask her if the earth will also shift on its axis if all the people in China jump up and down at the same time.

Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:28:01 PM EDT
If you dig a hole strait through the center of the earth assuming a solid cold core would gravity make you stick in the middle?

I hear a plane can take off from a conveyor belt…
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:35:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:

Originally Posted By roboman:
The other thread about nukes made me think of something my history teacher told me in high school that I always thought was rubbish but never checked it out.

He claimed that the US and Russia have nuclear weapons powerful enough that if a single one of them were detonated, it would throw the Earth off its axis.

B.S.? My gut says yes.



Actually, the Soviets in the 50's and 60's considered building a doomsdays machine, similar to the one in Dr. Strangelove, that would be automated and detonate if it detected radiation coming off the Russian motherland; that any attempt to destroy the USSR by sneak attack would have resulted in destroying the entire world.

It was scrapped as a bad idea. But it was feasibly possible; thermonuclear bomb yields are only limited by the fuel you have available to feed it. Imagine having a supertanker-sized thermonuclear bomb. It could wreck the planet.



I've read about that and dismissed it as cold war propaganda. Problem for me was the varing claims in the weight of considering and actually trying to impliment. My theory it was a planted response to Sec of State Dulles bold statements. By that timeframe interest was in compacting/increasing the yield along with propulsion/missle technology development which was much more practical deterrent in the arms race.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:36:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/17/2006 8:37:42 PM EDT by twonami]

Originally Posted By Ardenner:
If you dig a hole strait through the center of the earth assuming a solid cold core would gravity make you stick in the middle?

I hear a plane can take off from a conveyor belt…


The width of the earth would take about 70 hours to freefall that distance.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:40:12 PM EDT
You can do the math yourself. Just take the acceleration of Earth (tangential acceleration, a=(v^2)/r, v~29,783 m/s, r ~149,580,000 m, a ~ 5.93012 m/(s^2)

F=ma, m~5.9736×10^24 kg, so F~3.54242x10^25 N, or 3,542,420,000,000,000,000,000,000 Newtons of force are necessary to put the Earth to a complete stop.

Now, Megatons are a unit of energy, so let's take the kinetic (moving) energy of the Earth. E(kinetic) = .5 m(v^2). In the Earth's case, this is 2.64937x10^33 J, or 2,649,370,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Joules of energy behind the Earth. That's about 633,214,627,151,051,500 Megatons.

The most powerful atomic weapon, the Tsar Bomba, detonated by Russia, had a yield of ~50 megatons of TNT, but we'll take its theoretical yield of ~100 megatons of TNT. That is roughly 418,400,000,000,000,000 Joules, or .000000000000000158% (1.58x10^-16%) of the Energy behind the Earth. Which is what physicists refer to as 'negligible.'

Of course, I probably screwed that up somewhere along the line. Feel free to correct me, anyone.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:40:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Ask her if the earth will also shift on its axis if all the people in China jump up and down at the same time.




heard something a day or two ago,about the dam that they are building that when filled it could cause the earth to tilt about 2-3 degrees and destroy the world.


we all laugh at this and said guess they need to build another dam on the other side of the world to conuter react the china dam.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:43:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Ask her if the earth will also shift on its axis if all the people in China jump up and down at the same time.



Maybe if they all peed into the ocean simultaneously it would cause a tidal wave that would destroy america
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:47:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ring:
this is y he teaches history, and not science...

+1
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 8:48:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MagKnightX:
You can do the math yourself. Just take the acceleration of Earth (tangential acceleration, a=(v^2)/r, v~29,783 m/s, r ~149,580,000 m, a ~ 5.93012 m/(s^2)

F=ma, m~5.9736×10^24 kg, so F~3.54242x10^25 N, or 3,542,420,000,000,000,000,000,000 Newtons of force are necessary to put the Earth to a complete stop.

Now, Megatons are a unit of energy, so let's take the kinetic (moving) energy of the Earth. E(kinetic) = .5 m(v^2). In the Earth's case, this is 2.64937x10^33 J, or 2,649,370,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Joules of energy behind the Earth. That's about 633,214,627,151,051,500 Megatons.

The most powerful atomic weapon, the Tsar Bomba, detonated by Russia, had a yield of ~50 megatons of TNT, but we'll take its theoretical yield of ~100 megatons of TNT. That is roughly 418,400,000,000,000,000 Joules, or .000000000000000158% (1.58x10^-16%) of the Energy behind the Earth. Which is what physicists refer to as 'negligible.'

Of course, I probably screwed that up somewhere along the line. Feel free to correct me, anyone.



Even without proofing the math, your cool. FWIW largest US test nuk was Castle/Bravo at 15megatons , twice what was expected. You can get personal takes from test engineers off the web. Facinating history.
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 10:44:23 PM EDT
Did he tell you about the Earth going off axis and being sucked into a black hole and then all the sleezy criminals that come out in the night stalk the earth and overwhelm all the young virgins?
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 10:47:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Taxman:
That nuke would have to have the power of a chuck norris roundhouse kick and a squatdog full power shot, at once.


or just his power of head butting the ground, that is what really happened at Heroshima and Nagasaki
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 10:53:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By twonami:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Ask her if the earth will also shift on its axis if all the people in China jump up and down at the same time.



Maybe if they all peed into the ocean simultaneously it would cause a tidal wave that would destroy america



Let's hope they don't all take a dump at the same time!!
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 11:05:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By twonami:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
Ask her if the earth will also shift on its axis if all the people in China jump up and down at the same time.



Maybe if they all peed into the ocean simultaneously it would cause a tidal wave that would destroy america



Let's hope they don't all take a dump at the same time!!


ooh, a mudflood
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 11:22:08 PM EDT
Proof that you may be brighter than that teacher, and be glad of it.


What a Moron....
Link Posted: 2/17/2006 11:28:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MagKnightX:
You can do the math yourself. Just take the acceleration of Earth (tangential acceleration, a=(v^2)/r, v~29,783 m/s, r ~149,580,000 m, a ~ 5.93012 m/(s^2)

F=ma, m~5.9736×10^24 kg, so F~3.54242x10^25 N, or 3,542,420,000,000,000,000,000,000 Newtons of force are necessary to put the Earth to a complete stop.

Now, Megatons are a unit of energy, so let's take the kinetic (moving) energy of the Earth. E(kinetic) = .5 m(v^2). In the Earth's case, this is 2.64937x10^33 J, or 2,649,370,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Joules of energy behind the Earth. That's about 633,214,627,151,051,500 Megatons.

The most powerful atomic weapon, the Tsar Bomba, detonated by Russia, had a yield of ~50 megatons of TNT, but we'll take its theoretical yield of ~100 megatons of TNT. That is roughly 418,400,000,000,000,000 Joules, or .000000000000000158% (1.58x10^-16%) of the Energy behind the Earth. Which is what physicists refer to as 'negligible.'

Of course, I probably screwed that up somewhere along the line. Feel free to correct me, anyone.




You've obviously never heard of Tabalthorium G!
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 2:31:19 AM EDT
He probably got that from the 1961 movie "The Day The Earth Caught Fire", but that took two nukes 12 hours apart.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 2:32:01 AM EDT
Yes,yes he was.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 5:36:43 AM EDT
I did not confirm this finding, but I will post it here in hopes somebody can:

"However, in a study twenty years later by two Japanese scientists, entitled Recent Abnormal Phenomena on Earth and Atomic Power Tests, Shigeyoshi Matsumae, President of Tokai University, and Yoshio Kato, Head of the University's Department of Aerospace Science concluded:


Abnormal meteorological phenomena, earthquakes and fluctuations of the earth's axis are related in a direct cause-and-effect to testing of nuclear devices. . . . Nuclear testing is the cause of abnormal polar motion of the earth. By applying the dates of nuclear tests with a force of more than 150 kilotons, we found it obvious that the position of the pole slid radically at the time of the nuclear explosion. . . . Some of the sudden changes measured up to one meter in distance."

Link Posted: 2/18/2006 5:52:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 5:58:38 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 6:40:24 AM EDT
Only Chuck Norris can throw the earth off axis. This is really how all the Dinosaurs died.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 6:49:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:
<Snip>
In physics class we did the math of a billion Chinese jumping off of a 1 meter tall orange crate at the same time and hitting the earth ... it was a bad thing.


Hmmm...how bad? In the calculation was the impact spread out over thousands of miles (as the billion people in China are) or was it calculated to be confined to a small area?

Those commies are sneaky and well, you know, one never can tell what they're up to!
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 7:11:19 AM EDT
Sounds to me like this teacher is a gamer.
Need to ask him if he has ever played Nuke War/ Nuke Escalation.
Launch a Satern rocket with 100 megaton payload and you get to roll to split the Earth!
Anybody got change for 200,000 people?
McSkippy!!!!

It sucks when your reality is based on a 80's card game and not real facts.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 7:23:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/18/2006 7:27:19 AM EDT by John_Wayne777]

Originally Posted By roboman:
The other thread about nukes made me think of something my history teacher told me in high school that I always thought was rubbish but never checked it out.

He claimed that the US and Russia have nuclear weapons powerful enough that if a single one of them were detonated, it would throw the Earth off its axis.

B.S.? My gut says yes.




Uhh......Yes.

I am not an astronomy expert, but I think moving the earth off its axis would require a strike by a meteor around the size of Texas or something.

They did underground testing of nukes for many years without moving the earth off of its axis.

The only force powerful enough to make the earth leave its axis is when Chuck Norris and Steven Segal get into a fight.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 7:26:47 AM EDT
That doesn't sound too far off................................from something a liberal teacher would say.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 7:31:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ardenner:
If you dig a hole strait through the center of the earth assuming a solid cold core would gravity make you stick in the middle?

I hear a plane can take off from a conveyor belt…



Nope, but they can land backwards with a strong enough headwind! he he he

That gravity question always baffled me too!
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 7:57:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Shadowsabre:
Sounds to me like this teacher is a gamer.
Need to ask him if he has ever played Nuke War/ Nuke Escalation.
Launch a Satern rocket with 100 megaton payload and you get to roll to split the Earth!
Anybody got change for 200,000 people?
McSkippy!!!!

It sucks when your reality is based on a 80's card game and not real facts.



Oh, man, I LOVE that game!

Am I the only one who noticed that Skippy the Supervirus looks kind of like Al Gore?

Actually, the thing was, you always had to roll a die and spin a spinner. The die was to determine if your missile actually launched, or if it failed or blew up on your landing pad or whatever. The spinner was to determine if there were any special effects, like if it were a dud or if it would kill a few more people. One of the things on the spinner was "Your missile detonates a nuclear stockpile! Triple the yield," so your nuke would kill 3 times as many people. However, if a 100 megaton warhead got that effect, it 'set off a chain reaction that destroys the entire world,' meaning game over.

You could also, if you were entirely destroyed, do a 'final strike' in which you can launch every missile you have with any warheads you can (they don't have to be prepared to launch or anything), and if you have a 100 megaton warhead but no missiles, you can 'detonate it in your country' with the hopes of getting the blow-up-the-world combination. It actually worked about half the time.

Great game. Most people here would love it.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 8:01:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By intervivos:
I did not confirm this finding, but I will post it here in hopes somebody can:

"However, in a study twenty years later by two Japanese scientists, entitled Recent Abnormal Phenomena on Earth and Atomic Power Tests, Shigeyoshi Matsumae, President of Tokai University, and Yoshio Kato, Head of the University's Department of Aerospace Science concluded:


Abnormal meteorological phenomena, earthquakes and fluctuations of the earth's axis are related in a direct cause-and-effect to testing of nuclear devices. . . . Nuclear testing is the cause of abnormal polar motion of the earth. By applying the dates of nuclear tests with a force of more than 150 kilotons, we found it obvious that the position of the pole slid radically at the time of the nuclear explosion. . . . Some of the sudden changes measured up to one meter in distance."




Well, Shigeyoshi Matsumae is the founder of Tokai University, but Yoshio Kato does not exist on either the Japanese version or English version of the university's homepage.
IMHO, just a hoax.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 8:10:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Originally Posted By MagKnightX:
You can do the math yourself. Just take the acceleration of Earth (tangential acceleration, a=(v^2)/r, v~29,783 m/s, r ~149,580,000 m, a ~ 5.93012 m/(s^2)

F=ma, m~5.9736*10^24 kg, so F~3.54242x10^25 N, or 3,542,420,000,000,000,000,000,000 Newtons of force are necessary to put the Earth to a complete stop.

Now, Megatons are a unit of energy, so let's take the kinetic (moving) energy of the Earth. E(kinetic) = .5 m(v^2). In the Earth's case, this is 2.64937x10^33 J, or 2,649,370,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 Joules of energy behind the Earth. That's about 633,214,627,151,051,500 Megatons.

The most powerful atomic weapon, the Tsar Bomba, detonated by Russia, had a yield of ~50 megatons of TNT, but we'll take its theoretical yield of ~100 megatons of TNT. That is roughly 418,400,000,000,000,000 Joules, or .000000000000000158% (1.58x10^-16%) of the Energy behind the Earth. Which is what physicists refer to as 'negligible.'

Of course, I probably screwed that up somewhere along the line. Feel free to correct me, anyone.




You've obviously never heard of Tabalthorium G!



You're a dead man. Tabalthorium G is so secret even google is in the dark. Men in dark suits will visit you soon.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 9:23:53 AM EDT
Cobalt Thorium G

How they learneed to love the bomb.......
Strangelove on relocation to deep midshafts to survive:

Turgidson:

Doctor, you mentioned the ration of ten women to each man. Now, wouldn't that necessitate the
abandonment of the so called monogamous sexual relationship, I mean, as far as men were concerned?

Strangelove:

Regrettably, yes. But it is, you know, a sacrifice required for the future of the human race. I hasten to add that since each man will be required to do prodigious... service along these lines, the women will have to be selected for their sexual characteristics which will have to be of a highly stimulating nature.

DeSadeski:
I must confess, you have an astonishingly good idea there, Doctor.

Strangelove:

Thank you, sir.
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