Quoted: Well, isn't that nice.

Funny, Hitler would probably have these people gassed and incinerated.

Quoted: Quoted: Certainly there have been wars and violence done by and on behalf of various sects of Christianity, but there have been reformations since to avoid that in the future, and there is worldwide rejection of it when nominally Christian movements or sects perpetrate violence in the name of God. There is also the fact that while Christanity has been used to justify war and violence in the past, Jesus and the founders of Christianity were not violent warmongering savages. Mohammed on the other hand spread his death cult from day one through the slaughter of those who refused to join him with one os his fetishes being beaheadings. The current day followers of his cult are just following his lead.

Both Judaism and Islam were founded upon the violence they had to perform in order to attain their "Holy Land"; Christianity conquered the smart way, simply convert everyone and perform mass emigrations to foreign countries.... sounds like what is happening with our border jumpers here in the States.

And yet the same folks can't find it in their heart to condemn Bin Laden or Zarqawi.....

most people in Pakistan and Afghanistan like UBL because he spent tens of millions of dollars to build up schools, hospitals, and homeless shelters in those countries... and because he supports their backward interpretation of Islam.

No one need speak for mooslims, their actions speak for themselves........Or, in some instances, their lac of inactions. Funny, I don't see them protesting against the murder of innocents, the beheading of innocents, the stoning of women, the burning of buildings, and every other barbaric atrocity commited by Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and their ilk in the name of their precious 'Religion of Peace."

apparently not looking hard enough, apparently. The MSA chapter at my university put together a multifaith protest against terrorism and there have been several MSA sponsored seminars against Islamic terrorism. The only Muslims I know who support terrorism, or even hate America are those from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan/Afghanistan.

And I'll drum up my mantra....The National Socialist party and the Imperial Japanese Government didn't speak for the entire German or Japanese population in WWII, but they were still recognized as enemies....

And we didn't go out to kill all Germans or all Japanese because their leaders were our enemies, even when the leaders had popular support, did we? People promote and support governments that give their country power in the world, no matter if that power is gained through good or evil means; it doesn't matter if they are Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Atheist, or believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, most people willfully remain blind of their government/country's evils.

Yet the RoP does the exact same thing, and are basically given a free pass...Hmmm, I wonder why the double standard?

because there is no such thing as an appointed clericship among Islam. Anyone can be an Imam, even I, a lapsed Muslim, could be one. What an Imam says reflects only his views, not the congregation he is leading in prayer. Also, there is the whole concept of not involving non-Muslims in internal affairs of the faith; we will condemn terrorists and verbally attack Imams we don't like among eachother, but we do not involve other religion's in it.

For that matter, I cant even identify a single prominent muslim. For a religion that supposedly spans 1.5 billion people, surely they must have a leader that can step up to the podium and offer his views on the current state of affairs? Sadly, I think most of the west, and most the membership on this site, sees Bin Laden as the leader of Islam. If he isnt, I think that the real leader should stand up and be accounted for...its long overdue.

the real "leader" if you will, is the Messiah, and he hasn't come yet.

We should have posters made and hang them off bridge overpasses just in time for morning rush hour

Quoted: I wouldnt have such a problem with the 'good' muslims if they would come out in some united way and condemn this shit.

I'm beginning to think that the reason that you don't hear more from these so called "good muslims" is that they really don't care.  I'm thinking they are actually just the non-violent, namby-pamby, limp wristed ones that know their religion is being co-opted by the radicals and don't really care.  Their line of thinking is let some other poor schmuck in the middle east be the tip of the spear for, and spill blood for, our religion.  After all, we all KNOW THIS IS THE TRUE RELIGION and if they are willing to bring about conversion in a more violent way than I am willing to, more power to them!  

In the meantime, I'll just sit back, enjoy my life, and let those poor ingnorant bastards do all the work.  I may jump up now and then to make excuses for them just enough so my non-muslim neighbors think we AREN'T ALL LIKE THAT.

I wouldn't exactly call Louis-Louis limp wristed.  He's probably wringing his hands in anticipation of the big showdown.  A repudiation of the fatwas by the Nation of Islam would speak volumes.  Perhaps the silence speaks even larger volumes.

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Seems to be a favorite message.

And they actually follow through with it a lot, too. A lot moreso than our domestic morons with the "impeach bush" signs . . .

Quoted: Really? Every Muslim in the world signed on to this? Oh... Well then, it must be the Muslim equivalant of the Pope, right? A Spiritual leader, who speaks for most of the Muslim world? What's that you say? The Muslim world, is divided, and fracticious? That no one can really "speak" for Muslims? Oh...

Obviously if every Muslim hasn't signed on as a terrorist, then Islam must be the RoP, right?

Quoted: We should have posters made and hang them off bridge overpasses just in time for morning rush hour

You would be arrested for hate crimes.

Quoted: Its times like this I wish I was obscenely wealthy so I could counter  offer with a $2mil dollar reward for the clerics head

You would be arrested in short order for death threats.

Quoted: Quoted: Certainly there have been wars and violence done by and on behalf of various sects of Christianity, but there have been reformations since to avoid that in the future, and there is worldwide rejection of it when nominally Christian movements or sects perpetrate violence in the name of God. There is also the fact that while Christanity has been used to justify war and violence in the past, Jesus and the founders of Christianity were not violent warmongering savages. Mohammed on the other hand spread his death cult from day one through the slaughter of those who refused to join him with one os his fetishes being beaheadings. The current day followers of his cult are just following his lead.

It took Christians about 1,000 years to work out a concept of Holy War.

Old Mo started the Muslims out right off with the concept of Holy War.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Certainly there have been wars and violence done by and on behalf of various sects of Christianity, but there have been reformations since to avoid that in the future, and there is worldwide rejection of it when nominally Christian movements or sects perpetrate violence in the name of God. There is also the fact that while Christanity has been used to justify war and violence in the past, Jesus and the founders of Christianity were not violent warmongering savages. Mohammed on the other hand spread his death cult from day one through the slaughter of those who refused to join him with one os his fetishes being beaheadings. The current day followers of his cult are just following his lead. Both Judaism and Islam were founded upon the violence they had to perform in order to attain their "Holy Land"; Christianity conquered the smart way, simply convert everyone and perform mass emigrations to foreign countries.... sounds like what is happening with our border jumpers here in the States. And yet the same folks can't find it in their heart to condemn Bin Laden or Zarqawi..... most people in Pakistan and Afghanistan like UBL because he spent tens of millions of dollars to build up schools, hospitals, and homeless shelters in those countries... and because he supports their backward interpretation of Islam. No one need speak for mooslims, their actions speak for themselves........Or, in some instances, their lac of inactions. Funny, I don't see them protesting against the murder of innocents, the beheading of innocents, the stoning of women, the burning of buildings, and every other barbaric atrocity commited by Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and their ilk in the name of their precious 'Religion of Peace." apparently not looking hard enough, apparently. The MSA chapter at my university put together a multifaith protest against terrorism and there have been several MSA sponsored seminars against Islamic terrorism. The only Muslims I know who support terrorism, or even hate America are those from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan/Afghanistan. And I'll drum up my mantra....The National Socialist party and the Imperial Japanese Government didn't speak for the entire German or Japanese population in WWII, but they were still recognized as enemies.... And we didn't go out to kill all Germans or all Japanese because their leaders were our enemies, even when the leaders had popular support, did we? People promote and support governments that give their country power in the world, no matter if that power is gained through good or evil means; it doesn't matter if they are Muslim, Jewish, Christian, Atheist, or believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, most people willfully remain blind of their government/country's evils. Yet the RoP does the exact same thing, and are basically given a free pass...Hmmm, I wonder why the double standard? because there is no such thing as an appointed clericship among Islam. Anyone can be an Imam, even I, a lapsed Muslim, could be one. What an Imam says reflects only his views, not the congregation he is leading in prayer. Also, there is the whole concept of not involving non-Muslims in internal affairs of the faith; we will condemn terrorists and verbally attack Imams we don't like among eachother, but we do not involve other religion's in it. For that matter, I cant even identify a single prominent muslim. For a religion that supposedly spans 1.5 billion people, surely they must have a leader that can step up to the podium and offer his views on the current state of affairs? Sadly, I think most of the west, and most the membership on this site, sees Bin Laden as the leader of Islam. If he isnt, I think that the real leader should stand up and be accounted for...its long overdue. the real "leader" if you will, is the Messiah, and he hasn't come yet.

Jesus is the islamic pope?

Quoted: Quoted: Both Judaism and Islam were founded upon the violence they had to perform in order to attain their "Holy Land"; Christianity conquered the smart way, simply convert everyone and perform mass emigrations to foreign countries. The point was already stipulated that there has been terrible violence and abuses in Christianity's PAST, and occasional abuses --universally rejected-- in Christianity's recent past/present. Islam was founded on violence, aggression and war, and in 1400 years hasn't moderated, reformed or changed that underpinning a bit.

never argued against that in this thread. Muslims, while not allowed to convert by coercion(it invalidates the conversion and the coercer does have to pay for it, since it is a sin), are allowed to conquer the lands of their "oppressors". "Oppressors" wasn't very precisely defined, so most Muslims felt that the mere fact people weren't Muslim was "oppressing" them.

most people in Pakistan and Afghanistan like UBL because he spent tens of millions of dollars to build up schools, hospitals, and homeless shelters in those countries... and because he supports their backward interpretation of Islam. You're either a pollyanna or a liar, I'm not sure which. Most people in Pak and Afgh like UBL because he struck a serious murderous blow against the US and got away with it. He raised their savage self-esteem for one glorious moment on 09.11.01 like it hadn't been raised in decades (American Embassy in Beirut?). Talk about homeless shelters and schools is propaganda at its worst and doesn't pass the smell test.

Just saying why UBL was welcomed with open arms before he started attacking the US. He was viewed as a hero for his actions in the Afghani-Soviet war and further cemented his support by supporting the poor and uneducated in the country through his construction of social service class organizations and buildings using his father's construction company.

Of course, even Hitler did pretty much the same for the Germans, doesn't make either Hitler or UBL a good guy.

apparently not looking hard enough, apparently. The MSA chapter at my university put together a multifaith protest against terrorism and there have been several MSA sponsored seminars against Islamic terrorism. The only Muslims I know who support terrorism, or even hate America are those from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan/Afghanistan. It's not just outright support for and encouragement of terrorism that is the problem. So-called "mainstream" Islam is the water in which the terrorist "fish" swim, like Mao's "revolutionaries" among the "people". Even Muslims who don't support terrorism as such still support a wrong Muslim against an infidel.

Christians trust Christians over Atheists and pagans; Jews trust Jews over everyone else; Muslims just happen to follow in the line of people who trust the word of people who belong to the same religion/caste/race as they do more than "outsiders".

We, as Muslims, are always supposed to give the benefit of the doubt to our "brothers", and try to help them when they get off the path; some of us tend to take this too far and wouldn't dare think that their Muslim brother who got into drugs could rape and kill some Christian girl.

No time to finish this now. I'll have to come back to it.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Both Judaism and Islam were founded upon the violence they had to perform in order to attain their "Holy Land"; Christianity conquered the smart way, simply convert everyone and perform mass emigrations to foreign countries. The point was already stipulated that there has been terrible violence and abuses in Christianity's PAST, and occasional abuses --universally rejected-- in Christianity's recent past/present. Islam was founded on violence, aggression and war, and in 1400 years hasn't moderated, reformed or changed that underpinning a bit. never argued against that in this thread. Muslims, while not allowed to convert by coercion(it invalidates the conversion and the coercer does have to pay for it, since it is a sin), are allowed to conquer the lands of their "oppressors". "Oppressors" wasn't very precisely defined, so most Muslims felt that the mere fact people weren't Muslim was "oppressing" them. most people in Pakistan and Afghanistan like UBL because he spent tens of millions of dollars to build up schools, hospitals, and homeless shelters in those countries... and because he supports their backward interpretation of Islam. You're either a pollyanna or a liar, I'm not sure which. Most people in Pak and Afgh like UBL because he struck a serious murderous blow against the US and got away with it. He raised their savage self-esteem for one glorious moment on 09.11.01 like it hadn't been raised in decades (American Embassy in Beirut?). Talk about homeless shelters and schools is propaganda at its worst and doesn't pass the smell test. Just saying why UBL was welcomed with open arms before he started attacking the US. He was viewed as a hero for his actions in the Afghani-Soviet war and further cemented his support by supporting the poor and uneducated in the country through his construction of social service class organizations and buildings using his father's construction company. Of course, even Hitler did pretty much the same for the Germans, doesn't make either Hitler or UBL a good guy. apparently not looking hard enough, apparently. The MSA chapter at my university put together a multifaith protest against terrorism and there have been several MSA sponsored seminars against Islamic terrorism. The only Muslims I know who support terrorism, or even hate America are those from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan/Afghanistan. It's not just outright support for and encouragement of terrorism that is the problem. So-called "mainstream" Islam is the water in which the terrorist "fish" swim, like Mao's "revolutionaries" among the "people". Even Muslims who don't support terrorism as such still support a wrong Muslim against an infidel. Christians trust Christians over Atheists and pagans; Jews trust Jews over everyone else; Muslims just happen to follow in the line of people who trust the word of people who belong to the same religion/caste/race as they do more than "outsiders". We, as Muslims, are always supposed to give the benefit of the doubt to our "brothers", and try to help them when they get off the path; some of us tend to take this too far and wouldn't dare think that their Muslim brother who got into drugs could rape and kill some Christian girl. No time to finish this now. I'll have to come back to it.

Don't bother finishing it, you and your muslim brothers can preach that shit where it is appreciated. At your local mosque.

Funded by donations from your friendly local mosque

Quoted: Its times like this I wish I was obscenely wealthy so I could counter  offer with a $2mil dollar reward for the clerics head

+10
You know, we really should get some people to start printing up T-shirts with the Muslim cartoon on them!  Hell, maybe start selling them for $20 a piece on ebay, and use the proceeds to fund a mercinary to take the radical "mouth foaming" cleric's head or for some other noble cause.  

It really shows you the difference here between our civilizations and how ignorant the majority of Muslims are.  We are critical of Jesus and poke fun of the guy on South Park all the time in the US.  I don't see any calls for violence among the Christians in the US.  

Well, any religion like Islam that has it's followers pray constantly and do crazy things such as abstain from eating certain animals clearly has a total grip on their sheep-brains.  But then even someone in a religion has the ability to question their actions or to protest wrong-doings.  And we're not seeing that happen.  Conclusion: majority of them are just shitty people.  I'm not a religious guy at all, however I can tolerate friends' religions.  That's the one huge difference I really see between most religions and Islam.  Islam has no tolerance.  Any other viewpoint is a threat to their weak little minds.  They clearly want to take over the world.  We need to act and act with vengance to CRUSH their movement.  No more PC crap!

Quoted: You know, we really should get some people to start printing up T-shirts with the Muslim cartoon on them!

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Quoted: We, as Muslims, are always supposed to give the benefit of the doubt to our "brothers", and try to help them when they get off the path; some of us tend to take this too far and wouldn't dare think that their Muslim brother who got into drugs could rape and kill some Christian girl.

Peace Be With You, even while you burn down Danish embassies and preach death to cartoonists.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lets drop a cruise missile on his house. It's the right thing to do. That'll cost you half a million bucks. A 500lb bomb will only set you back $250. Drop 2000 of those for the same price. I'm sure the B52 crews would enjoy it try 1.5 million per Tomahawk so with 500lb iron bombs, you could drop 6000 of them for that price.  Anything less simply isint enough overkill.

For that same price, i say you load up bags of pennies.

25,000,000 pennies at 2.5 gm each

lets see..... 137,789 lbs of copper falling from the sky.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lets drop a cruise missile on his house. It's the right thing to do. That'll cost you half a million bucks. A 500lb bomb will only set you back $250. Drop 2000 of those for the same price. I'm sure the B52 crews would enjoy it try 1.5 million per Tomahawk so with 500lb iron bombs, you could drop 6000 of them for that price.  Anything less simply isint enough overkill. For that same price, i say you load up bags of pennies. 25,000,000 pennies at 2.5 gm each lets see..... 137,789 lbs of copper falling from the sky.

Quoted: Quoted: Really? Every Muslim in the world signed on to this? Oh... Well then, it must be the Muslim equivalant of the Pope, right? A Spiritual leader, who speaks for most of the Muslim world? What's that you say? The Muslim world, is divided, and fracticious? That no one can really "speak" for Muslims? Oh... You really should just go ahead and get your own mosque. Really.

If I ever do, I'll need someone to dust the qurans.
I'm sure I could entrust you with that job.

Quoted: Quoted: Really? Every Muslim in the world signed on to this? Oh... Well then, it must be the Muslim equivalant of the Pope, right? A Spiritual leader, who speaks for most of the Muslim world? What's that you say? The Muslim world, is divided, and fracticious? That no one can really "speak" for Muslims? Oh... Obviously if every Muslim hasn't signed on as a terrorist, then Islam must be the RoP, right?

Nope.
I'm just saying man, I'm just saying.
I'm not here to change any minds, just putting it out there.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lets drop a cruise missile on his house. It's the right thing to do. That'll cost you half a million bucks. A 500lb bomb will only set you back $250. Drop 2000 of those for the same price. I'm sure the B52 crews would enjoy it try 1.5 million per Tomahawk so with 500lb iron bombs, you could drop 6000 of them for that price.  Anything less simply isint enough overkill. For that same price, i say you load up bags of pennies. 25,000,000 pennies at 2.5 gm each lets see..... 137,789 lbs of copper falling from the sky.

Read Maddox much?

Quoted: Quoted: <snip? the real "leader" if you will, is the Messiah, and he hasn't come yet. Jesus is the islamic pope?

I think he is talking about the Mahdi.

Quoted: Quoted: Both Judaism and Islam were founded upon the violence they had to perform in order to attain their "Holy Land"; Christianity conquered the smart way, simply convert everyone and perform mass emigrations to foreign countries. The point was already stipulated that there has been terrible violence and abuses in Christianity's PAST, and occasional abuses --universally rejected-- in Christianity's recent past/present. Islam was founded on violence, aggression and war, and in 1400 years hasn't moderated, reformed or changed that underpinning a bit. most people in Pakistan and Afghanistan like UBL because he spent tens of millions of dollars to build up schools, hospitals, and homeless shelters in those countries... and because he supports their backward interpretation of Islam. You're either a pollyanna or a liar, I'm not sure which. Most people in Pak and Afgh like UBL because he struck a serious murderous blow against the US and got away with it. He raised their savage self-esteem for one glorious moment on 09.11.01 like it hadn't been raised in decades (American Embassy in Beirut?). Talk about homeless shelters and schools is propaganda at its worst and doesn't pass the smell test. apparently not looking hard enough, apparently. The MSA chapter at my university put together a multifaith protest against terrorism and there have been several MSA sponsored seminars against Islamic terrorism. The only Muslims I know who support terrorism, or even hate America are those from Saudi Arabia and Pakistan/Afghanistan. It's not just outright support for and encouragement of terrorism that is the problem. So-called "mainstream" Islam is the water in which the terrorist "fish" swim, like Mao's "revolutionaries" among the "people". Even Muslims who don't support terrorism as such still support a wrong Muslim against an infidel. No time to finish this now. I'll have to come back to it.

Don't bother - just ignore him.

He has repeatedly demonstrated that he often doesn't have the slightest clue what he is talking about, and just makes stuff up.

I've given up pointing out all of the mistakes, errors and outright lies in many of his posts, because he never seems to care or acknowledge it, but just makes up some new bullshit.  Whenever I see his posts, I just stop reading and skip to the next one.  I suggest you do the same.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lets drop a cruise missile on his house. It's the right thing to do. That'll cost you half a million bucks. A 500lb bomb will only set you back $250. Drop 2000 of those for the same price. I'm sure the B52 crews would enjoy it try 1.5 million per Tomahawk so with 500lb iron bombs, you could drop 6000 of them for that price.  Anything less simply isint enough overkill. For that same price, i say you load up bags of pennies. 25,000,000 pennies at 2.5 gm each lets see..... 137,789 lbs of copper falling from the sky. Read Maddox much?

He probably does.  That was the first thing I thought of when I read the post.

Quoted: Edit to add, allah fucked a pig and gave birth to muhammad    take your best shot....

I am VERY tempted to draw the event you name above, and put it on some web page.  Seriously.  I wonder if they'd send assassins to little ol' Colorado to come get me.

Pussies.

Quoted: Quoted: Edit to add, allah fucked a pig and gave birth to muhammad    take your best shot.... I am VERY tempted to draw the event you name above, and put it on some web page.  Seriously.  I wonder if they'd send assassins to little ol' Colorado to come get me. Pussies.

Thats been done, I have it on my pics for about 3 years already.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Really? Every Muslim in the world signed on to this? Oh... Well then, it must be the Muslim equivalant of the Pope, right? A Spiritual leader, who speaks for most of the Muslim world? What's that you say? The Muslim world, is divided, and fracticious? That no one can really "speak" for Muslims? Oh... You really should just go ahead and get your own mosque. Really. If I ever do, I'll need someone to dust the qurans. I'm sure I could entrust you with that job.

No, I might stock them in the bathroom like I do at home.

Another animation of Mohammed -





Oh teh noes!!!!11!1!11!

Mohammed = pig fucker.   Come on out to Eastern Oregon and get some

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Really? Every Muslim in the world signed on to this? Oh... Well then, it must be the Muslim equivalant of the Pope, right? A Spiritual leader, who speaks for most of the Muslim world? What's that you say? The Muslim world, is divided, and fracticious? That no one can really "speak" for Muslims? Oh... You really should just go ahead and get your own mosque. Really. If I ever do, I'll need someone to dust the qurans. I'm sure I could entrust you with that job. No, I might stock them in the bathroom like I do at home.

Just make sure to bring them back when you are done.