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Posted: 2/16/2006 6:09:39 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2006 8:52:25 AM EDT by Dusty_C]
Original thread here

That is a recent thread about Lafayette county Arkansas Deputy Stacy McMurrough. He was killed last weekend and laid to rest yesterday morning. He was not wearing his seatbelt and lost control of his car and was ejected from it. South Arkansas is where this happened and it's mostly small rural counties and even 50 or 60 miles away, most of the emergency responders know each other. Now finding a small miracle in his death, he had no wife or kids. I wish that his death had the effect of making other local emergency responders wearing their seatbelts. Had they done so, 2 fordyce EMTs would still be alive that were killed last night, while responding to a call. One of these men did have a wife and child(ren). Details haven't come in yet but will be posted as soon as I get them.
Link to story of the 2 EMTs

This was Tim and Kents rig. Apparently, where your seatbelts and don't drive so fast.






Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:13:57 AM EDT


Damn....that's sad.

I agree, put the damned belt on. The life you save will be your own.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:15:21 AM EDT
always do.


saved me and my mom about 10 years ago
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:15:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/16/2006 6:17:18 AM EDT by Alien]
Wow. That's like a heart & lung specialist smoking cigarettes.

I always put my seatbelt on. It just feels weird not wearing one.I have only not worn it once and that was because it was a company vehicle that was being driven as a daily driver by one of our managers. I went to take it for an oil change and the damn seatbelt didn't work. I let him know and he said he was aware of it (he just hadn't asked to have it fixed). It got fixed the next time we took it to the dealership.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:16:29 AM EDT
To make this even worse, it's looking like at least one of the two EMT's killed attended the Funeral that morning. I know his bosses did.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:18:11 AM EDT
No wife and kids constitutes a miracle?
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:19:51 AM EDT
I read an article about a Dallas EMT's experiences in Reader's Digest, right after MA made the seatbelt law that I was adamant about defying.

The article quoted the guy as saying that of the 2500 accidents he'd attended, he never once unbuckled a corpse.

Well, my days of civil disobedience were very over, to say the least.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:20:09 AM EDT
Yeah, it's a miracle that a young guy didn't widow a lady and leave kids without a dad.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:24:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
Yeah, it's a miracle that a young guy didn't widow a lady and leave kids without a dad.



+1 as harsh as it sounds, it was a miracle he didn't widow someone and leave children without a father.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:34:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:34:59 AM EDT
I don't like the .gov telling me what I can and can't do in my own car. I don't wear my seatbelt because I don't want to.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:35:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tabro-:
I don't like the .gov telling me what I can and can't do in my own car. I don't wear my seatbelt because I don't want to.

Your funeral
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:38:26 AM EDT
Water into wine? OK. Move a mountain with a gesture? OK. Raise a dead man? OK

Couldn't find a girl and settle down? You guys need to asess what makes a miracle.

Also, cops don't unbuckle corpses because cops don't unbuckle anyone, dead or alive, unless there is eminent danger and the strapped in individual needs assistance, ie, unconscious and the vehicle is on fire.

I know you guys hate freedom, and that is OK. Every liberal does. But don't call the guy's unmarried status a miracle, and please don't praise anti freedom BS on a board ostensibly devoted to civil liberties.

Freedom means a lack of government interference. The government has no right to tell me what to do with regards to safety equipment. Freedom also means the ability to be just as stupid as you want to be. A law mandated by insurance companies designed solely to increase their bottom line and to allow for further extrotion at the hands of government agents is not a good law.

The guy died, and that sucks, but it was his choice, and the choice is what matters.

Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:41:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By g136653:
Water into wine? OK. Move a mountain with a gesture? OK. Raise a dead man? OK

Couldn't find a girl and settle down? You guys need to asess what makes a miracle.

Also, cops don't unbuckle corpses because cops don't unbuckle anyone, dead or alive, unless there is eminent danger and the strapped in individual needs assistance, ie, unconscious and the vehicle is on fire.

I know you guys hate freedom, and that is OK. Every liberal does. But don't call the guy's unmarried status a miracle, and please don't praise anti freedom BS on a board ostensibly devoted to civil liberties.

Freedom means a lack of government interference. The government has no right to tell me what to do with regards to safety equipment. Freedom also means the ability to be just as stupid as you want to be. A law mandated by insurance companies designed solely to increase their bottom line and to allow for further extrotion at the hands of government agents is not a good law.

The guy died, and that sucks, but it was his choice, and the choice is what matters.


Am I the fucking government? Is my name Dubya? No it's not. I'm an EMT and FF that has worked thousands of wrecks and Yesterday morning was supposed to have gone to a funeral of a Deputy killed by not wearing his. 2 EMTs did go and 12 hours later they were dead because they didn't wear their seatbelts. No one here has advocated the forced wearing of seatbelts. So get your political bullshit out of this thread. That's not what it's about.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:44:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By g136653:
Water into wine? OK. Move a mountain with a gesture? OK. Raise a dead man? OK

Couldn't find a girl and settle down? You guys need to asess what makes a miracle.

Also, cops don't unbuckle corpses because cops don't unbuckle anyone, dead or alive, unless there is eminent danger and the strapped in individual needs assistance, ie, unconscious and the vehicle is on fire.

I know you guys hate freedom, and that is OK. Every liberal does. But don't call the guy's unmarried status a miracle, and please don't praise anti freedom BS on a board ostensibly devoted to civil liberties.

Freedom means a lack of government interference. The government has no right to tell me what to do with regards to safety equipment. Freedom also means the ability to be just as stupid as you want to be. A law mandated by insurance companies designed solely to increase their bottom line and to allow for further extrotion at the hands of government agents is not a good law.

The guy died, and that sucks, but it was his choice, and the choice is what matters.



I Believe I said that an EMT (Emergency Medical Technician) was quted in the article, not a cop.
As far as the law...I believe that my post clearly shows I did not do it because of the law, I did it because someone (that EMT) compelled me to because of his experience.

Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:45:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tabro-:
I don't like the .gov telling me what I can and can't do in my own car. I don't wear my seatbelt because I don't want to.



That will make a good inscription on your headstone if you die in a car accident.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:46:37 AM EDT
Yesterday we just had a big storm here in Utah with very low temps. Snow hit the roads and stayed. We had nearly 500 car wrecks in three counties.

The only fatality was a 4 year old in a pickup involved in a single car accident. The mother was driving and his brother was in the car. No one was wearing a seatbelt and there were no child safety seats in the car.

I stongly believe society shouldn't be involved in protecting people from themselves, but what choice did this boy have?
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 6:49:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tabro-:
I don't like the .gov telling me what I can and can't do in my own car. I don't wear my seatbelt because I don't want to.


Quite possibly the dumbest reason to not wear a seatbelt, but hey it's your choice.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 7:39:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
So get your political bullshit out of this thread. That's not what it's about.


Really? It isn't about seat belt use? And why aren't you jumping on Playmore minds? He brought up the legal aspect. I just responded to it.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 7:48:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/16/2006 7:49:28 AM EDT by Dusty_C]

Originally Posted By g136653:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
So get your political bullshit out of this thread. That's not what it's about.


Really? It isn't about seat belt use? And why aren't you jumping on Playmore minds? SHe brought up the legal aspect. I just responded to it.

Neither of us advocated it being a law. You brought that into it. That's why. And you couldn't even get what you were reading straight, You attempted to make points by reading things that weren't said.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 7:54:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By g136653:
<snip>



Dusty isn't the Government.

Go ahead and don't wear your seatbelt. Smoke, drink, have unsafe sex with cheap prostitutes, play russian roulette... I don't give a shit. But risking your life to avoid following orders is fucking retarded.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 7:56:47 AM EDT
I still choose not to wear one, thanks for the PSA
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 8:00:00 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/16/2006 8:02:21 AM EDT by Airwolf]
I *DESPISE* the "click it or ticket" horseshit being shoved down our throats (Oh, we'll *never* use seatbelts as a primary offense), it reeks as just another income source and a way for gooberment to micromanage its subjects.

Having said that I wholeheartedly agree with fact that seat belts and car seats for kids save lives. There's enough hard, scientific evidence out there to PROVE it many times over.

If you're so Goddamned stupid that you, as an a adult, chose to blatantly risk your life in order to make some statement about "freedom", be my guest. Darwin has a way of weeding those types out the gene pool.

However kids are another matter since they don't have the knowledge to make those kinds of choices about their lives. I think anyone caught with unsecured kids in the car is guilty of endangerment. Period.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 8:00:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Shooter_Doug:
Yesterday we just had a big storm here in Utah with very low temps. Snow hit the roads and stayed. We had nearly 500 car wrecks in three counties.

The only fatality was a 4 year old in a pickup involved in a single car accident. The mother was driving and his brother was in the car. No one was wearing a seatbelt and there were no child safety seats in the car.

I stongly believe society shouldn't be involved in protecting people from themselves, but what choice did this boy have?



We had the same storm come through here. 8 crashes in three miles of interstate in less than 45 minutes.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 8:01:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Airwolf:
I *DESPISE* the "click it or ticket" horseshit being shoved down our throats (Oh, we'll *never* use seatbelts as a primary offense), it reeks as just another income source and a way for gooberment to micromanage its subjects.

Having said that I wholeheartedly agree with fact that seat belts and car seats for kids save lives. There's enough hard, scientific evidence out there to PROVE it many times over.

If your so Goddamned stupid that you, as an a adult, chose to blatantly risk your life in order to make some statement about "freedom", be my guest. Darwin has a way of weeding those types out the gene pool.

However kids are another matter since they don't have the knowledge to make those kinds of choices about their lives. I think anyone caught with unsecured kids in the car is guilty of endangerment. Period.

I don't think there should be a law just because I think it's over interference into our lives. But it is a good judge of character.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 8:03:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By Tabro-:
I don't like the .gov telling me what I can and can't do in my own car. I don't wear my seatbelt because I don't want to.

Your funeral



If we the taxpayers are lucky

I have no problem with people not wearing seatbelts, motorcycle helmets, etc. But if you turn yourself into a veggie, you should have to sign a waiver stating that we can let you die because you refused to use the safety equipment and not be a drain on taxpayer dollars.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 8:05:39 AM EDT
No doubt, no use of seatbelts is an obvious sign you have no desire to live, so you shouldn't care if they pull the plug.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 8:38:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By g136653:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
So get your political bullshit out of this thread. That's not what it's about.


Really? It isn't about seat belt use? And why aren't you jumping on Playmore minds? He brought up the legal aspect. I just responded to it.



Because I'm female and I might cry rape.

Seriously...I am not "all for" the government telling me I HAVE to wear one. I said I wear one because I am not a dumbass.
Well...when I am not logged into ARF I am not a dumbass
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 9:18:01 AM EDT
All my vehicles have 3, 4, 5 or 6 point harness's
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 9:19:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/16/2006 9:22:01 AM EDT by Paul]
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 9:21:30 AM EDT
Seatbelt saved my life once. I feel naked/in a half panic if I am driving with it off. I just can't do it.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 9:29:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:
I don't wear seat belts because the goverment wants me to.



I suppose you don't follow the rules of firearm handling and routinely treat guns as if they weren't loaded when they were, aren't really sure of your target (Dick Cheney!), nor care what's beyond it. Because the government put warning lables on rat poisoning you keep it around your kids and season your ribs with it on the grill. You live in flood zone and with the government tells you to evacuate you don't, if you do then you don't take food and water with you because they told you to. If you live in an earthquake zone you don't have three days of food and water. Government regulations require fire/smoke detectors but you rip them out of your house or apartment and only replace them as you sell/leave so you don't get in trouble.



Like the government can do nothing at right even by accident.






Jesus. I just spit all over the monitor.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 9:41:24 AM EDT
I towed two rollovers last week.Both cars rolled multiple times.Both cars were totaled and were the same body style.

The girl wearing her seatbelt walked away with a scratch on her nose.

The girl not wearing her seatbelt had to be mercy flighted-messed her up bad.


I always wear my seatbelt-it has nothing to do with any law-I wear it because it's the right thing to do (Same reason I don't rob banks,rape,etc.,etc............................).
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 9:54:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tabro-:
I don't like the .gov telling me what I can and can't do in my own car. I don't wear my seatbelt because I don't want to.



Don't procreate.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 10:02:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tabro-:
I don't like the .gov telling me what I can and can't do in my own car. I don't wear my seatbelt because I don't want to.



I know what you're saying. Try and get past the nanny.gov thing and pick a good reason to wear it.

Hell, one day .gov may tell you to go out and get all the nookie you can. Are you telling me...........?
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 10:06:41 AM EDT
WEAR YOUR DAMN SEATBELTS

Can't say it any better than that

R.I.P.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 10:20:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/16/2006 10:21:54 AM EDT by RaynoEleven]
I don't think that the government has any business telling any adult they have to wear a seatbelt. Kids cannot make an informed decision.

Govermental intrusion is bad, no matter what their excuse.

I wear my belt because I have been to hundreds of high speed accidents in my carreer. I have seen a few who were killed while wearing a belt, mostly the car was crushed well beyond normal (t-boned by a motor home, rollover where the passenger compartment was so badly deformed that the driver's head was outside). I have seen accidents where I would have expected to find badly injured or dead occupants, who walked away because they had belts on. I have seen the difference in injury rates/severity.

I put my belt on, my kids do too. Adults can make up their own minds, mostly they put them on.

Seat belt use is a thing to be encouraged, NOT mandated by law.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 10:33:42 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 10:34:29 AM EDT

Originally Posted By twonami:

Originally Posted By Tabro-:
I don't like the .gov telling me what I can and can't do in my own car. I don't wear my seatbelt because I don't want to.


Quite possibly the dumbest reason to not wear a seatbelt, but hey it's your choice.

+1
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 10:35:49 AM EDT
Ralph Nader is a GOD.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 10:39:11 AM EDT
I had a head on collision with another car. It was dark out and raining and the rocket scientist in the other car had no lights. I was belted he was not. I directed traffic around the accident with a flashlight. The other guy was on the hood wrapped in glass. I went to work the next day, he remained in the hospital for 6 months. Genius didn't have insurance to go with his no light having car either.
Link Posted: 2/16/2006 2:02:52 PM EDT
They'll never learn.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 8:53:06 AM EDT
bump for update
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 9:05:46 AM EDT
what about the retarded adults that don't use safety seats or seat belts for their children. Is the government law still bad
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 9:21:16 AM EDT
Did you catch the part about the morning before they died they attended the funeral of a police officer that was killed the weekend before because he wasn't wearing his seatbelt?

In all honesty though, seatbelts alone would not have saved Tim, and maybe not Kent, but slowing down would have.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 9:23:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2006 9:32:35 AM EDT by Cleatus]
you will learn too


Oh let me guess...its too "restrictive"?

How restrictive is a coffin....


Buddys nephew was in a accident recently, no seatbelt. He was ejected he will be in the hospital about 6 months they say bills will be $1,000,000+ and will suffer the rest of his life in pain, no spleen, broken back, etc...would have walked away from the wreck if he had his belt on. remember ho much fun it is paying mortgage? Times that by 5 and plan on paying till you die...yeah!!!!!lets party, yippie!!!!no seatbelts for everyone!!!

Link Posted: 2/22/2006 9:29:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By twonami:
what about the retarded adults that don't use safety seats or seat belts for their children. Is the government law still bad



IMHO, yes. I never liked that sort of half-free attitude. "You're free to raise your kids as you wish, but you damm well better put a seat belt on them". I'd say they can raise their kids as they wish, and if they do something so bad that we judge them to be unfit parents, we take the kids away and give them to someone more sane.

To hijack it even more, for the same reasons, I don't like prohibiting felons from owning guns. IMHO, if you aren't trusted to excercise every right accorded to a free man, including RKBA, then you should be in prison or six feet under.

Getting back on track, I wear my seatbelt because it's a good idea, not because the .gov tells me to.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 10:20:52 AM EDT
I put on my seat belts even when I go around the block to pickup my children. When my oldest son was 5 and riding in my car, I had to stop suddenly, he hit his head on the wildshield and cracked the it. I was fortunate, nothing serious happened to him, today he is 19. Never again, after that I insist that everyone wear their seat belts, and I don't even start the engine until everyone is buckled in securely. A real hard lesson to learn that could've head more serious implications.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 2:45:36 PM EDT
Dunno if a seatbelt woulda helped here......

But it certainly wouldn't have hurt to have it on.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 6:39:55 PM EDT
Yeah, Tim Crowley, the EMT that I knew was probably dead either way. Kent, the medic was riding shotgun I think he would have lived.
Link Posted: 2/22/2006 6:44:24 PM EDT
I have been in three roll over accidents, not my fault, but all three times I was wearing a seatbelt, and if I had not been I would have been ejected.

Whiplash, and 7 stitches, the third I suffered no injuries.
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