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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:29:35 AM EDT
I've been hearing these public service announcements with Gary Sinese asking us to, "Thank the troops for our freedom." I thank the troops for their service in protecting our nation and protecting our freedom. However, I refuse to thank the troops FOR "our freedom". Our freedom is derived from God, not the .GOV, Constitution, or the military. To some of you, this may seem like a petty disagreement with semantics. To me it is a distinction worth making. The military/gov does not give us "freedom". The power to give includes the power to take away. I think this PSA is aimed at the majority of sheeple in this country, who have no idea our rights are derived from God, not .GOV.
For the record, I'm not a  , just a concerned conservative libertarian who believes in the Global War on Terror, a strong military/foreign policy, and tin foil hats.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:30:34 AM EDT
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Ok then.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:34:10 AM EDT
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no, you're not a troll but that's kind of a nit picky way to look at it. they protected our freedoms from the nazis and the japanese. they fought communism. they're fighting a terrorist enemy that wants to destroy our way of life. that to me is fighting to maintain our freedom.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:34:26 AM EDT
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september 2005
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:41:27 AM EDT
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May 2001. What's your point? I live in a rural area and didn't get high-speed wireless until last April. I didn't find this website until July or August 05. Sorry I didn't sign up right away. So what is the cut off date for not being a
. Are only those who joined before Sept 11th not considered trolls?This PSA is just another example of "Welfare State" mentality. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:42:58 AM EDT
[#5]
no, the cutoff is whether their posts are stupid or not. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:43:33 AM EDT
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There is no such thing as a "Conervativ libertarian." Google "Classical liberalism". |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:44:33 AM EDT
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I tend to agree with the distinction.
Seems nit picky to some, but if we say the military (an agency of the government) provides our freedoms, then you have to believe that the .gov has the authority to take those freedoms away. I agree, it's worth distinguishing. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:45:54 AM EDT
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It doesn't say 'providing' though. They protect it. Thats why you thank them for it. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:46:34 AM EDT
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A little nitpicky for sure, but I have no probelem with his belief that god made us free, and the finest military in the world keeps it that way. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:46:54 AM EDT
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I must be the only ARFCOMMER who thinks that we owe our freedom to GOD, not GOV. Well, if you think I'm wrong, I don't want to be right.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:47:13 AM EDT
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Who do you think is standing between you and the enemies of this country?
God doesn't seem to be inclined to intervene in the affairs of the various countries on Earth. If you want to express thanks for the ability to have life, live in this world, or even for being born in the United States, by all means, thank God. If you want to thank someone for keeping the wolf away from the door and ensuring that you won't be forced to choose between converting to Islam or getting your head chopped off, thank the people that make it happen. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:47:28 AM EDT
[#12]
and the troll signs continue. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:47:44 AM EDT
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I predict 10 pages and a lock. Gary Senise is a highly successful critically acclaimed actor that puts life and limb in danger (not to mention his career in Commywood ) to tour with the USO in order to thank and show support for the troops. And yes, you are a troll. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:49:52 AM EDT
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The US military is all that stands between us and regular public beheadings in (your town) for violations of shariah law.
Is God killing terrorists, or is the US military? Get off your semantic high horse and try a nice warm cup of reality. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:50:19 AM EDT
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hell no, you're not the only one who believes that here but i think you're reading way too much into a 30 second commercial. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:50:21 AM EDT
[#16]
Right on! |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:50:45 AM EDT
[#17]
I really don't think that he is taking anything away from the men in uniform. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:50:56 AM EDT
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Without the troops your God given rights wouldn't amount to as much as the splatter of brain matter that would result from using them under the rule of some that would seek world domination.
If you can't understand that then troll is too kind a term. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:51:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:55:06 AM EDT
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so does anyone else hear a bell ding at the point a thread heads downhill?
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Posted: 2/15/2006 8:59:51 AM EDT
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DING!
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:01:30 AM EDT
[#22]
God didnt sign the constitution, so if you want to thank anyone who is not .mil for your freedom, you could start by thanking the founding fathers. Our freedoms were granted and made irrevocable by the FF, and for the past 230 years, the US Military has been keeping it that way.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:04:19 AM EDT
[#23]
forsakethetroops.com is down.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:11:00 AM EDT
[#24]
If God gave us our freedom, why is it that for the VAST MAJORITY of human history, the VAST MAJORITY of humans have been serfs/slaves/peasants under the vassalage of autocratic rulers?
No, freedom wasn't GIVEN to us...people SIEZED their freedom at the bloody end of a sword or the smoking barrel of a gun. Freedom isn't a "natural" condition, it's an incredibly ballsy experiment in human social interaction that has to be hammered through the thick skulls of those not raised to be used to the idea. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:17:06 AM EDT
[#25]
I wish God would've stepped in and saved me the 22 months that I spent in Iraq.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:52:07 AM EDT
[#26]
No kidding, And thank you on behalf of my whole family for helping keep us safe and free. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:57:19 AM EDT
[#27]
Yes, we derive our freedom from God, but who do you think protects that same freedom from those who would invade us and imprison our population?
Do you really think God would come down and free us? I am a Christian, but God does not work that way. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:58:36 AM EDT
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The might not PROVIDE that freedom, but they sure as hell PROTECT that freedom. Oooohhhh, they are an agency of the government so they must be automatically a bad thing. 
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Posted: 2/15/2006 9:59:35 AM EDT
[#29]
You don't think that is deserving of thanks to those who do or have put themselves in harm's way for the rest of us? |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:04:49 AM EDT
[#30]
Well said. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:23:41 AM EDT
[#31]
If you have to be reminded please dont bother
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:29:51 AM EDT
[#32]
I don't live in Fantasyland. I don't believe that God would come down to Earth and protect us. My original post is about the "source" of our freedom. I am speaking in terms of political theory. The founding fathers did not believe that our freedom was derived from a standing army, but apparently some of you do. And I clearly stated that the military is deserving of our thanks for protecting us. My disagreement is with the wording of the PSA. That's all.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:31:18 AM EDT
[#33]
Ok, whatever
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Posted: 2/15/2006 10:33:41 AM EDT
[#34]
+1. Thanks for protecting/guarding ou freedom. But they don't hand it out to us like FEMA debit cards or something. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:27:38 AM EDT
[#35]
Our freedom is derived from ideas and ideals. But it's PRESERVED by force. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:32:55 AM EDT
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Write the guys and thanks them for their service to our country and its citizens. There is no need to thank them for your freedom. The military however safe guards all of our freedoms. So does your participation in the process of government. We get the government we deserve. Does anybody have the web site to send the troops a thank you???????? I have heard the ad but keep forgeting the web site. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:35:40 AM EDT
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"Deny me before men and I will deny you before our Father"
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:39:21 AM EDT
[#38]
Well your service is appreciated here. Thanks!!!!!!!! 
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Posted: 2/15/2006 11:40:38 AM EDT
[#39]
Your distinction is absurd
I can not think of a freedom that was granted without someone willing to fight for it. That's why we are losing our freedoms now, because we are not willing to fight for them... Who gave us our freedom? 
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:16:23 PM EDT
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I'm glad your strong of faith, but you wouldn't be able to even pratice your religion of choice if they werent soldiers to fight the facists, the communists or the terrorists.
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:44:34 PM EDT
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No one is denying Christ or God. That is not what this is about. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:49:09 PM EDT
[#42]
Totally agree,
I am in the Army, and I am not protecting anyone's "freedom", If anything, a strong standing army hurts our "freedom" (i.e. Delta Force at Waco) just their security. for you who said troll , get a clue |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 12:59:33 PM EDT
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Someone else needs to get a clue....Or should have thought a little more about joining the Army before doing so. The American people are counting one you. What Army are you in where you did not take an oath to defend the constitution of the United States of America- "Both Foreign and Domestic..." If it is a Force Recon Marine, an Army Ranger, an Air Force admin guy or a Salior checking out basketballs for the MWR, it is all for our freedom. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 2:01:37 PM EDT
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Sorry to have to disagree with you, James, but if we didn't have a standing army, we would be invaded in a heartbeat and there would go our freedom. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 2:14:44 PM EDT
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Fine. They do protect our freedom, and I agree with you completely about that. But it's a different thing to PROTECT than to PROVIDE. As far as an agency of the government automatically being a bad thing, you're just being silly. That's not what I said and I'm pretty sure you know that. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 2:47:27 PM EDT
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YOU are the one that added "(a government agency)" as if making a statement about it. As for them protecting our freedom, what's that damn difference? I believe in Christ and God, but neither is going to interfere with the interactions of man. If we did not have our military, we sure as hell would be under the thumb of Hitler, Stalin, or even the Mexican government (the war with Mexico in the 1800s). |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 5:02:19 PM EDT
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Our freedom is provided by the Constitution. The only reason the Constitution is still valid is that we have a strong standing military to back it up. If not for our military, we would likely still be British subjects. Or Japanese subjects. Or Soviet subjects. Or Chinese subjects. Or living under forced Muslim rule. I believe in God completely. I believe that God's will is for all people to be free. However, God does not seem to take any action regarding our freedom. It was men that declared our independence, and it has been men that have backed it up for the last 230 years. God has not granted us freedom any more than he has denied freedom to Christians in communist countries, the Middle East, or Africa. Our rewards from God come after this life. Until then, it is up to us to maintain our freedom. That is done by our military. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 5:06:00 PM EDT
[#48]
And in my book, that makes them justifiably deserving of my gratitude. I make little distinction between providing and protecting. One cannot exist without the other. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 5:14:21 PM EDT
[#49]
All volunteer military.
If they didnt step up, war or not, you could be like a conscript. Thank them for YOUR freedom. |
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Posted: 2/15/2006 6:56:10 PM EDT
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Who on this thread has said that the military men and women don't deserve our sincere respect and thanks? I think there is little we can do to truly show how gratful we are. They protect our freedom on a daily basis, and there is no doubt about it. As I stated earlier, it is a really nitpicky statement to begin with. However, I don't think that there is anything wrong with stating that our freedom is a god given right, and the military protects them for us. Yes, they are well deserving of our thanks, and I like to make it known whenever possible. |
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