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Posted: 2/14/2006 12:37:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2006 4:42:22 AM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 12:43:27 AM EDT
I've lived in Texas all my life, near the big city and out in the hill country, and have yet to see a single sign with a bullet hole in it.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 12:44:15 AM EDT
haha No one is going to argue with a man that has a gun!
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 12:51:05 AM EDT
They should be very careful what they print over there. People could get the wrong idea that ALL Brits think this way... but then, that's what they WANT us to think, isn't it? It's a form of manipulation, as if their liberal press should influence the way WE think.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 1:16:50 AM EDT
Dear GB,



Kiss my ass!
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 1:24:02 AM EDT
He almost gets it but not quite.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 1:27:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FITTER:
They should be very careful what they print over there. People could get the wrong idea that ALL Brits think this way... but then, that's what they WANT us to think, isn't it? It's a form of manipulation, as if their liberal press should influence the way WE think.



Yep, you got it; reverse psychology.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 1:54:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By FITTER:
They should be very careful what they print over there. People could get the wrong idea that ALL Brits think this way... but then, that's what they WANT us to think, isn't it? It's a form of manipulation, as if their liberal press should influence the way WE think.



Yep, you got it; reverse psychology.


+1

I don't want to be Brit.
Max
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 2:25:17 AM EDT
And WHY we should give a shit about what the British think?

I know, steadfast Allies and all that, but sometimes they just need to shut up and mind thier own fucking business.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 2:37:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2006 2:38:13 AM EDT by Schulze]
At least he got the title right, and he got the main point right - Just having a gun doesn't implicate a person, but breaking the rules or etiquette does. Did I misspell etiquette?

ETA - hey vito, I read it!
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 2:48:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
I've lived in Texas all my life, near the big city and out in the hill country, and have yet to see a single sign with a bullet hole in it.



You have got to be shitting me........, and do us all a favor down here and post a picture of your daily driven vehicle, so we can recognize ya coming down the road. For you obviously don't see anything when your behind the wheel and I for one would prefer to get outta your way.

There was a shooting a few weeks ago at a road intersection and I counted 8 rounds in the stop-sign as the camera scanned the crime scene, right here in SW Houston.

Mike
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 2:48:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
I've lived in Texas all my life, near the big city and out in the hill country, and have yet to see a single sign with a bullet hole in it.


Maybe your DOT is just quicker about replacing the damaged signs than they are around here.I see it all the time.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 2:51:51 AM EDT
I don't even live in Texas, and I've seen plenty of Texas road signs shot full of holes. We have that here in Pa too.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 2:54:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2006 2:54:33 AM EDT by Palm]
I live in the same area, and I don't see signs with bullet holes in them. There are a lot of paint ball marks on the PETA signs.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 2:56:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2006 2:56:48 AM EDT by Mauser101]

Arms-bearing Americans are rarely wrong
By Stephen Robinson
(Filed: 14/02/2006)

If you have never gone hunting in Texas, you may find it odd that the man shot in the face by Vice-President Dick Cheney at the weekend was adjudged to be the guilty party.

Katharine Armstrong, the hostess of the hunting weekend, was clear in her own mind that Harry Whittington, a 78-year-old lawyer now resting comfortably in his hospital bed, was the author of his own misfortune.

On Saturday evening, Harry broke free from a group of friends to retrieve a downed quail, and then - according to Ms Armstrong - strode back without observing the proper southern protocol of noisily announcing himself to the rest of the group.

When another quail was flushed, Mr Cheney, "an excellent, conscientious shot", according to Ms Armstrong, swung to his right, fired, and Harry "got peppered pretty good".

According to the Corpus Christi Caller-Times, Harry is doing fine in hospital, though we do not have his reaction in his own words.

British readers will cluck with disapproval at this breezy exoneration of a former US Defence Secretary for his responsibility in such an ugly outbreak of friendly fire.

The sort of person on this side of the Atlantic who deplores America's "gun culture" will almost certainly despise Mr Cheney's politics, and wish to see him carted off by a Texas sheriff and charged with reckless endangerment. But as one who, during seven years of living in America, occasionally went duck shooting - or huntin', as I learnt to call it - I confess that I loudly cheer the Vice-President's speedy exculpation.

In Britain, the man with the gun is always at fault. Our culture and our law enforcement agencies deplore gun ownership; rural police forces persecute owners, treating them as freaks.

Viscount Whitelaw, a blameless and splendid man, never recovered from a simple error on the moor when his shotgun accidentally discharged, winging a beater and spraying an old friend in the bottom.

It could have happened to anyone, but poor old Willie was forced to give up the sport he loved, such was the tabloids' glee at his misfortune.

Our world-beating Olympic shooters must practise abroad because of the post-Dunblane handgun ban - a ban ignored by gangsters on the streets of our larger cities, whose criminal antics have driven an exponential rise in gun crime since the legislation was passed.

This could never happen in America, where gun ownership is not just constitutionally protected, but is part of a great levelling exercise. In many of the southern states, the first day of the hunting season is a school holiday, so that fathers can take their sons out with rifle, shotgun, and paramilitary fatigues.

Hunting is an affirmation of the frontier spirit of the nation. More, it is a celebration of democratic participation - not, as is the case over here, an exclusive club for social climbers in plus fours.

Pretty much every road sign in Texas, Arkansas and Virginia is peppered with holes, testimony to the relentless zeal of southern men honing their marksmanship skills in the close season.

When I moved to America, I acquired my first and only gun - a pump-action 12-bore, which I kept under the sofa in my Washington home and which I would bring out to appal namby-pamby visitors from England.

It was a beauty. As the man in the gun shop told me, it had an extra large stock so that - in theory - it could double as a paddle as I made my way across the bayou in pursuit of duck or goose.

The first time I was taken duck hunting, my hosts and I chanced on half a dozen ducks paddling genially across a lake. Before I could begin to consider the implications, my comrades had unleashed a volley of covering fire, turning the lake into a cauldron of shot and feather.

When I questioned the protocol of shooting birds that were not actually flying, I was kindly put in my place. They all taste the same, I was informed, especially if you have drunk enough bourbon while feathering them.

In America, you do all the gruesome stuff involving feathers and innards yourself, and you would never even think of handing over the menial work to a gamekeeper or beater.

Americans are amazed to hear of the weird layers of etiquette imposed on the act of shooting your supper in this country. When George Bush Snr, a handy quail hunter in his home terrain of Texas, found himself at one of the stiffer sorts of driven shoots in Europe a few years ago, he fluffed every shot.

He told his hosts that he was thrown because European game birds are driven towards the guns, while Texas quail are shot flying away.

But my guess is that the protocol got to him. Mr Bush was thinking supper, yet knew his hosts were worrying about the angle at which he carried his gun, or the cut of his tweeds, or whether he swung his barrel too much to the left or right, or that he might be regarded - horror of horrors! - as greedy.

No wonder Mr Bush couldn't perform at his best, and no doubt he would have been much happier shooting in Texas, where everything is more relaxed and you don't fear the cold stare of disapproval for having the temerity to pick up a shotgun.

And where it is always wise to remember, to adapt the preferred slogan of America's all-powerful National Rifle Association, that guns do not kill people; vice-presidents do.



neener
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 3:12:14 AM EDT
I thought it was a good article, nice to see a sane man still lives in Britian.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 3:33:52 AM EDT
Keep in mind folks, the Brits aren't marching in droves denouncing American gun ownership. In fact, many are a bit defiant of the Libtards over there, note the recent fox hunt issues. The Brits Libtard media attempts to poison the minds of other people, even across the pond. I've met one or two Brits that thought guns were appaling but far more that found guns facinating. And they do still build some of the finest sporting shotguns and big game rifles made.

Point I'm making is don't generalize when you're hurling your insults. It's not any more right to do so than it would be for them to call this website a paramilitary den of insurrection.

Thanks Andy for sharing the views of folks on the other side.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 3:42:59 AM EDT
Vito, the article was well written.
Thanks for the post.

Link Posted: 2/14/2006 3:52:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 3:55:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CS223:
Keep in mind folks, the Brits aren't marching in droves denouncing American gun ownership. In fact, many are a bit defiant of the Libtards over there, note the recent fox hunt issues. The Brits Libtard media attempts to poison the minds of other people, even across the pond. I've met one or two Brits that thought guns were appaling but far more that found guns facinating. And they do still build some of the finest sporting shotguns and big game rifles made.

Point I'm making is don't generalize when you're hurling your insults. It's not any more right to do so than it would be for them to call this website a paramilitary den of insurrection.

Thanks Andy for sharing the views of folks on the other side.



That was pretty much the point I was trying to make in my reply. Remember that it's just an ARTICLE, not a press statement. And, yes, he does make some good points, but his tone gives him away. They have theirs, just as we have ours (libtards, that is).

BTW, my wife is British. She LOVES her Dissipator, and is a Team Member here.
Cheers...
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 4:27:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
<Article deleted>

Although this British newspaper article was very supportive and admiring of the American attitude to the RKBA, it's democratic principles and the pleasures of hunting, I've deleted it as people feel the need to post abusive comments about it purely because it was wriiten by a British writer...



Thanks for the article (I read the cut & paste version). I didn't see anything wrong with it - generally positive overall.

And the thing about the signs is true in rural Minnesota - I don't think I've been to a WMA, state forest, or country road where I didn't see a sign with at least a few dings from a .22 or shotgun pellet....sometimes something much bigger. I do know of people who think nothing of plinking the stop sign at the section corner, or who "verify their sights" prior to hunting by shooting at the WMA signs. Is it everyone doing it? No, of course not, and I would add that in my experience it is "hunters" and not "gun lovers". But it is certainly someone with a gun which makes us all look bad.

Link Posted: 2/14/2006 4:28:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2006 4:34:23 AM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 4:29:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
I've lived in Texas all my life, near the big city and out in the hill country, and have yet to see a single sign with a bullet hole in it.




Plenty around here. I got a pic of one down near Homestead thats a cheeze grater.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 4:35:21 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
<Article deleted>

Although this British newspaper article was very supportive and admiring of the American attitude to the RKBA, it's democratic principles and the pleasures of hunting, I've deleted it as people feel the need to post abusive comments about it purely because it was wriiten by a British writer...



Luckily someone quoted it so I could read it. Appears those who felt need to insult didn't read it through first. It was spot-on writing, no matter who authored it.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 4:38:00 AM EDT
I thought it was a decent article. Hopefully it might help the Brits out.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 4:58:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2006 5:25:38 AM EDT by FITTER]
Vito... I re-read the article (thanks to Mauser), and I suppose I failed to see the subtle sarcasm in the statement:

"And where it is always wise to remember, to adapt the preferred slogan of America's all-powerful National Rifle Association, that guns do not kill people; vice-presidents do."

My "tone" statement was influenced by that closing statement. I see it now... I admit that I misread it, or misinterpreted it!

HOWEVER, my original point remains. I was trying to say NOT to class all Brits as anti-gun libtards, as the article stated:


The sort of person on this side of the Atlantic who deplores America's "gun culture" will almost certainly despise Mr Cheney's politics, and wish to see him carted off by a Texas sheriff and charged with reckless endangerment.

and

In Britain, the man with the gun is always at fault. Our culture and our law enforcement agencies deplore gun ownership; rural police forces persecute owners, treating them as freaks.

and

When I moved to America, I acquired my first and only gun - a pump-action 12-bore, which I kept under the sofa in my Washington home and which I would bring out to appal namby-pamby visitors from England.

What I was trying to say was that not ALL Brits are like the above-highlighted examples. But you aren't a Brit, are you? You're "over the water," right? Plenty of gun-toting thugs where you are, right?

Sorry to be unclear. Good article, too, I might add. And, yes, I took it wrong the first time I read it.

I guess that makes me one of those rare cases where an armed American is wrong.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 5:18:20 AM EDT
Damn...some of you will argue and criticize anything...

I personally thought it was a well written article. Hell, I'd be happy to see that exact same thing written by an American and published in my own local news paper.

Props to him.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 8:54:24 PM EDT
If the Stephen Robinson article that Mauser posted is the same one that Vito posted-and-deleted, I don't see where you guys think it's a postive article in the slightest. The writer's tone makes it seem obvious to me that he is being snide and anti-gun, not to mention anti-hunting. Blowing away ducks on the water, shooting up signs, and blaming the lawyer for getting in the way of the shot pattern? None of these are a part of responsible hunting or shooting, at least as far as I was ever taught. And I haven't heard anyone claim that the lawyer (Whittington) was "at fault" for being shot -- every article I've seen has made it quite clear that while it would have been nice for him to announce his return, Cheney was clearly at fault for firing without being certain no one was downrange.

So the guy claims he bought a shotgun and took it out to scare his British visitors -- big deal, plenty of anti's own a gun or two. A Microsoft exec who was pushing for I-676 (a Brady Bunch wet dream handgun licensing initiative in WA) wrote a long op-ed about how he'd illegally purchased a handgun for home defense but how registration and mandatory training would be great. Then there was that Million Mom March idiot who shot and paralyzed a kid whom she thought had attacked her son -- oops, turned out she shot the wrong kid.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 9:14:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pv74:
Vito, the article was well written.
Thanks for the post.




+1
Some slight issues with it, but still, a good article.
The guy gets it.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 9:59:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 10:02:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/14/2006 10:03:50 PM EDT by Shadowblade]
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 11:04:56 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 11:07:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
I've lived in Texas all my life, near the big city and out in the hill country, and have yet to see a single sign with a bullet hole in it.



that is one thing that bother me more than anything else. hunters complain about land being posted, i cant blame landowners for not wanting these assmonkeys on their land.
Link Posted: 2/14/2006 11:21:05 PM EDT
Good post Vito, I don't care what anyone says about the British. While most of the rest of the world is complaining about out war on terror, the British are over there with us.
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