Quoted: Salman Pak, terrorist training camp SE of Baghdad.

Yep saw the plane fuselage and train there myself in the spring of 03.

Quoted: Saddam’s father was disgraced during WW2 after the Germans were defeated by the Allies in the Middle East. He was part of an Anti-British - Pro Nazi group of Pan-Arab leaders that sided with the Axis powers in the early part of World War II. "1940" Ba’ath Party: Arab political party, in Syria and in Iraq. Its main ideological objectives are secularism, socialism, and pan-Arab unionism. Founded in Damascus in 1941 and reformed, with the name Ba'ath, in the early 1950s, it rapidly achieved political power in Syria. A year after Saddam had joined the Ba'ath party, army officers led by General Abdul Karim Qassim overthrew Faisal II of Iraq. The Ba'athists opposed the new government, and in 1959, Saddam was involved in the attempted assassination of Prime Minister Qassim. Saddam was shot in the leg, but managed to flee to Syria, from where he later moved to Egypt. He was sentenced to death, in absentia. In exile he attended the Cairo University School of Law. Army officers, including some aligned with the Ba'ath party, came to power in Iraq in a military coup in 1963. However, the new government was ousted quickly, within seven to eight months torn by rife factionalism. Saddam returned to Iraq, but was imprisoned in 1964 when an anti-Ba'ath group led by Abdul Rahman Arif took power. He escaped from jail in 1967 and became one of the leading members of the party. According to many biographers, Saddam never forgot the tensions within the first Ba'athist government, namely party unity and the ruthless resolve to maintain power and programs to ensure social stability. In July 1968 a second coup brought the Ba'athists back to power under General Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr, a Tikriti and a relative of Saddam. The Ba'ath's ruling clique named Saddam vice-chairman of the Iraqi Revolutionary Command Council and vice president of Iraq. Saddam Hussein played a key role in the bloodless 1968 coup that brought the party to power when this guy was president: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/29/Lbj2.jpg/394px-Lbj2.jpg Saddam made close ties with this guy in 1976: Anyone want to make an educated guess at who this is standing next to the young Saddam Hussein? img.search.com/6/65/300px-Chiracsaddam.jpg 1979, Saddam became president after years as Iraq's security minister when a certain peanut farmer was in office: upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ae/Presidentcarter.jpg The history of Iraq

You forgot the part where Carl Rove sends W back in a time machine to train Saddam on the fine points of snorting coke and flying F-102s.

Quoted: Peak_Oil, Please start a new thread.  This one is about how wrong the liberal democrats were wrong, yet again.

Please stop using facts.  It just confuses them.

Saddam and the Third Reich

His uncle, whom he idolized, was a Nazi.

No question he was supporting terrorists.

The dude was a megalomaniacal butcher and we should take him up on his hunger strike offer.

Quoted: Fair enough.  Just to clarify, let's say that I find a quote from Donald Rumsfeld that he personally backed Saddam's ascent to power, and that quote is found at www.atimes.com, would you consider that to be definitive?  What sources are not credible with regards to relating quotes?  I'd say that www.rense.com would be in the "not credible" camp, do you want to add to the list?

About quotes:  I only trust quotes if I know the original source, eg  the magazine interview or news interview.  I've seen too many quotes twisted out of context and not just in politics.

Quoted: Quoted: Fair enough.  Just to clarify, I ... personally backed Saddam's ascent to power... About quotes:  I only trust quotes if I know the original source, eg  the magazine interview or news interview.  I've seen too many quotes twisted out of context and not just in politics.

I hope the lesson is not lost on him.

btt

It's Clinton's fault.  

Quoted: I'm sure you're familiar with this maneuver, but WTF, I'll run it past you one more time. 1.  Stick your index fingers in your ears 2.  Yell nanananananananananana as loud as you can. Satisfaction guaranteed!

I don't care what anyone says, this is funny as hell.

Quoted: Quoted: Fair enough.  Just to clarify, let's say that I find a quote from Donald Rumsfeld that he personally backed Saddam's ascent to power, and that quote is found at www.atimes.com, would you consider that to be definitive?  What sources are not credible with regards to relating quotes?  I'd say that www.rense.com would be in the "not credible" camp, do you want to add to the list? About quotes:  I only trust quotes if I know the original source, eg  the magazine interview or news interview.  I've seen too many quotes twisted out of context and not just in politics.

Well, I guess we're done then.  You are reserving the right to simply point and say "Liberal!" at any/all sources, no matter what they are, or whether the quotes are real.  Not much left to do here.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fair enough.  Just to clarify, let's say that I find a quote from Donald Rumsfeld that he personally backed Saddam's ascent to power, and that quote is found at www.atimes.com, would you consider that to be definitive?  What sources are not credible with regards to relating quotes?  I'd say that www.rense.com would be in the "not credible" camp, do you want to add to the list? About quotes:  I only trust quotes if I know the original source, eg  the magazine interview or news interview.  I've seen too many quotes twisted out of context and not just in politics. Well, I guess we're done then.  You are reserving the right to simply point and say "Liberal!" at any/all sources, no matter what they are, or whether the quotes are real.  Not much left to do here.

Of course there is.  If I tell you, "John Kerry said 'I believe there are WMDs in Iraq," then I should be prepared to ALSO say "He said this on Meet the Press on Jan 2, 1998."
If YOU say "Donald Rumsfeld said 'I support arming Saddam Hussein," you should ALSO say "He said this in an article in The Economist on March 14, 1983."

I don't think that's unreasonable at all.

Also unfortuantely we did not find the WMDs but they are out around the globe.  It is a matter of time before another attack on another western civilization.

God Bless America

Max

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fair enough.  Just to clarify, let's say that I find a quote from Donald Rumsfeld that he personally backed Saddam's ascent to power, and that quote is found at www.atimes.com, would you consider that to be definitive?  What sources are not credible with regards to relating quotes?  I'd say that www.rense.com would be in the "not credible" camp, do you want to add to the list? About quotes:  I only trust quotes if I know the original source, eg  the magazine interview or news interview.  I've seen too many quotes twisted out of context and not just in politics. Well, I guess we're done then.  You are reserving the right to simply point and say "Liberal!" at any/all sources, no matter what they are, or whether the quotes are real.  Not much left to do here. So you admit there were WMDs up until Spring, 2003 and that Saddam did train Islamic terrorists? Remind us again where Bush lied. Help me...help you! Or are you saying Saddam did not train Islamic terrorists and that saddam didn't have WMDs (well, he did, he used them , but he got rid of them BUT forgot to tell us) It must be that right wing press

Where did that list come from?  I asked, Who trained Saddam?  And you just yanked this whole thing up out of nowhere like I'm supposed to defend all these things.

And I suppose the following is just liberal nonsense.

U.S. forces in Baghdad might now be searching high and low for Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein, but in the past Saddam was seen by U.S. intelligence services as a bulwark of anti-communism and they used him as their instrument for more than 40 years, according to former U.S. intelligence diplomats and intelligence officials.

United Press International has interviewed almost a dozen former U.S. diplomats, British scholars and former U.S. intelligence officials to piece together the following account. The CIA declined to comment on the report.

While many have thought that Saddam first became involved with U.S. intelligence agencies at the start of the September 1980 Iran-Iraq war, his first contacts with U.S. officials date back to 1959, when he was part of a CIA-authorized six-man squad tasked with assassinating then Iraqi Prime Minister Gen. Abd al-Karim Qasim.

http://www.upi.com/inc/view.php?StoryID=20030410-070214-6557r

Quoted: U.S. forces in Baghdad might now be searching high and low for Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein,

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