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Posted: 2/11/2006 6:50:15 PM EDT
You know, the old russian WW2 sub machine gun. What ammo do they shoot, 7.62x25?
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 6:50:55 PM EDT
Yes
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 7:11:43 PM EDT
Unless they were captured and redone as 9mm by the Germans.

G
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 7:12:36 PM EDT
The best pistol round ever made.
7.62x25mm
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 7:16:29 PM EDT
45 ACP, 7.62 X 25, 9 X 19

Link Posted: 2/11/2006 7:18:06 PM EDT
The original .357 Sig!
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 7:18:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
The best pistol round ever made.
7.62x25mm


First time I've heard that said. Why do you think that?
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 7:28:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
The original .357 Sig!



No kiddin'. I do not feel poorly armed when I am handling the CZ-52. That thing goes off, you definitely know you're getting shot at.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 7:30:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 7:31:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gks452:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
The best pistol round ever made.
7.62x25mm


First time I've heard that said. Why do you think that?



Its like a light loaded .44 mag crossed with a Five seven thats roughly the size of a 9mm. Whats not to like?
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 7:37:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By gks452:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
The best pistol round ever made.
7.62x25mm


First time I've heard that said. Why do you think that?



Its like a light loaded .44 mag crossed with a Five seven thats roughly the size of a 9mm. Whats not to like?


Is the velocity that good? I assumed it was in the same class as the .30 Luger. Sounds like it's not.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 7:44:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gks452:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By gks452:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
The best pistol round ever made.
7.62x25mm


First time I've heard that said. Why do you think that?



Its like a light loaded .44 mag crossed with a Five seven thats roughly the size of a 9mm. Whats not to like?


Is the velocity that good? I assumed it was in the same class as the .30 Luger. Sounds like it's not.




S & B list their 7.62 X 25 load at 1647 fps using a 85 gr bullet.

www.sb-usa.com/pistol_ammo_page.htm
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 7:48:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By gks452:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By gks452:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
The best pistol round ever made.
7.62x25mm


First time I've heard that said. Why do you think that?



Its like a light loaded .44 mag crossed with a Five seven thats roughly the size of a 9mm. Whats not to like?


Is the velocity that good? I assumed it was in the same class as the .30 Luger. Sounds like it's not.




S & B list their 7.62 X 25 load at 1647 fps using a 85 gr bullet.

www.sb-usa.com/pistol_ammo_page.htm



It would probably take more than a level II vest to stop that.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 7:51:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/11/2006 7:55:22 PM EDT by Specop_007]

Originally Posted By gks452:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By gks452:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
The best pistol round ever made.
7.62x25mm


First time I've heard that said. Why do you think that?



Its like a light loaded .44 mag crossed with a Five seven thats roughly the size of a 9mm. Whats not to like?


Is the velocity that good? I assumed it was in the same class as the .30 Luger. Sounds like it's not.



Yeah, its that good. Factory ammo is around 1500 FPS. Some manufacturers claim around 2000 FPS on some of their loads. You can also buy a .22 Reed Express conversion which is a necked down 7.62 to accept a .22 caliber bullet. They claim around 2500-2700 FPS depending on bullet type and barrel length. You can check it out here
We're talking AR15 velocities out of a pistol.........

I've also heard if you tune them you can shoot clays at 100 yards all day. Now you get to add carbine accuracy to your AR15 velocity......

Hell of a round, hell of a pistol (CZ-52)
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 8:22:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By gks452:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
The best pistol round ever made.
7.62x25mm


First time I've heard that said. Why do you think that?



Its like a light loaded .44 mag crossed with a Five seven thats roughly the size of a 9mm. Whats not to like?



I don't know if I say it's the best pistol round, but it's probably the best smg (real smg, not hypershort assault rifle) round ever.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 8:24:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
You can also buy a .22 Reed Express conversion which is a necked down 7.62 to accept a .22 caliber bullet. They claim around 2500-2700 FPS depending on bullet type and barrel length. You can check it out here
We're talking AR15 velocities out of a pistol.........

I've also heard if you tune them you can shoot clays at 100 yards all day. Now you get to add carbine accuracy to your AR15 velocity......



Last time I checked velocity of a 55 grain round out of a 20" AR is around 3300 FPS and about 3150 out of a 16" carbine barrel. That's significantly faster than 2500 - 2700 of a necked down 7.62x25. Carbine accuracy is 100 yards? I don't know about your AR carbine, but with military ammo I can hit a sihloutte target at 500 yards every time with my 16" AR carbine. That's a long way from 100 yards.

I'm a fan of the CZ-52 and the 7.62x25 round too, but I think your AR comparison is a BIG stretch.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 8:25:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RiffRandall:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By gks452:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
The best pistol round ever made.
7.62x25mm


First time I've heard that said. Why do you think that?



Its like a light loaded .44 mag crossed with a Five seven thats roughly the size of a 9mm. Whats not to like?



I don't know if I say it's the best pistol round, but it's probably the best smg (real smg, not hypershort assault rifle) round ever.



Ok, honestly I wouldnt say its the best pistol round ever either. But it is a damn good pistol round, and I think if we had a current production firearm for 7.62x25mm with current ammo loads, it would definately be at least one of the best pistol rounds on the market.

i can dream right?
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 8:51:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By RiffRandall:

I don't know if I say it's the best pistol round, but it's probably the best smg (real smg, not hypershort assault rifle) round ever.



Ok, honestly I wouldnt say its the best pistol round ever either. But it is a damn good pistol round, and I think if we had a current production firearm for 7.62x25mm with current ammo loads, it would definately be at least one of the best pistol rounds on the market.

i can dream right?



+1 on a modern pistol chambered in 7.62x25 & good hollowpoint/softpoint ammo.

A double stack (~15 rnd mag) double action would be nice. Something like a Cz75 or even a Glock.
A 7.62x25 1911 should be easy. Custom barrel, 9x23 slide & mag.
Heck, even a newly made Tokarev would kick ass. They'd need a safety & thumbrest grips (stupid "sporting purposes" import rules) but I'm sure Poland/Hungary/Romania could use the $$$$. If the Chinese import ban ever goes away.........

A semiauto Cz24 or Cz26 carbine like the semi Uzi carbines would kick ass, not to mention a good semi PPSh41.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 8:53:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CZ75_9MM:

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By gks452:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By gks452:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
The best pistol round ever made.
7.62x25mm


First time I've heard that said. Why do you think that?



Its like a light loaded .44 mag crossed with a Five seven thats roughly the size of a 9mm. Whats not to like?


Is the velocity that good? I assumed it was in the same class as the .30 Luger. Sounds like it's not.




S & B list their 7.62 X 25 load at 1647 fps using a 85 gr bullet.

www.sb-usa.com/pistol_ammo_page.htm



It would probably take more than a level II vest to stop that.



It will actually go through most IIIA vests. In SE Asia, where the round is fairly common, there is a special protection level to stop the 7.62 X 25
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 9:07:13 PM EDT
media.putfile.com/PPSH-Shoot

heres a firing demo of the PPSH41 sub gun
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 9:17:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mcantu:

Originally Posted By CZ75_9MM:

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By gks452:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By gks452:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
The best pistol round ever made.
7.62x25mm


First time I've heard that said. Why do you think that?



Its like a light loaded .44 mag crossed with a Five seven thats roughly the size of a 9mm. Whats not to like?


Is the velocity that good? I assumed it was in the same class as the .30 Luger. Sounds like it's not.




S & B list their 7.62 X 25 load at 1647 fps using a 85 gr bullet.

www.sb-usa.com/pistol_ammo_page.htm



It would probably take more than a level II vest to stop that.



It will actually go through most IIIA vests. In SE Asia, where the round is fairly common, there is a special protection level to stop the 7.62 X 25



Yup. Soft armor has to be Tokarev rated. It goes through the lower ratings like a .44 Magnum through an apple.

CZ-52 is the first handgun I'm buying, followed by a Makarov and CZ-75B.

If they made a modern pistol chambered for 7.62x25mm... *gets the happy shivers*
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 9:33:28 PM EDT
My primary HD weapon is a CZ-52 loaded with JHPs. Its accurate, reliable, and can penetrate body armor. My loadout is actually 3 rounds of JHP, followed by 7 rounds of FMJs. The FMJs penetrate a bit TOO much, but woudl be damn nice to have if they are wearing armor :)
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 9:36:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Yup. Soft armor has to be Tokarev rated. It goes through the lower ratings like a .44 Magnum through an apple.

CZ-52 is the first handgun I'm buying, followed by a Makarov and CZ-75B.

If they made a modern pistol chambered for 7.62x25mm... *gets the happy shivers*



Good luck finding a CZ-52. They've dried up quite a bit. I would LOVE to get a current pistol in a 7.62x25mm. I've actually thought of seeing if i couldnt have one custom made on a 1911 or Sig frame, but that would be pricey I think.

There was a guy who made a AR upper in 7.62x25mm.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 9:45:17 PM EDT
enemies of mother russia
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 11:13:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Yup. Soft armor has to be Tokarev rated. It goes through the lower ratings like a .44 Magnum through an apple.

CZ-52 is the first handgun I'm buying, followed by a Makarov and CZ-75B.

If they made a modern pistol chambered for 7.62x25mm... *gets the happy shivers*



Good luck finding a CZ-52. They've dried up quite a bit. I would LOVE to get a current pistol in a 7.62x25mm. I've actually thought of seeing if i couldnt have one custom made on a 1911 or Sig frame, but that would be pricey I think.

There was a guy who made a AR upper in 7.62x25mm.



Yeah. I finally get old enough to buy a fricking pistol, and nobody has one.

Story of my life has always been a day late and a dollar short.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 11:29:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Yup. Soft armor has to be Tokarev rated. It goes through the lower ratings like a .44 Magnum through an apple.

CZ-52 is the first handgun I'm buying, followed by a Makarov and CZ-75B.

If they made a modern pistol chambered for 7.62x25mm... *gets the happy shivers*



Good luck finding a CZ-52. They've dried up quite a bit. I would LOVE to get a current pistol in a 7.62x25mm. I've actually thought of seeing if i couldnt have one custom made on a 1911 or Sig frame, but that would be pricey I think.

There was a guy who made a AR upper in 7.62x25mm.



Yeah. I finally get old enough to buy a fricking pistol, and nobody has one.

Story of my life has always been a day late and a dollar short.



I'd check gunboards.com in the Czech forum. Someone may know where there are some for sale.
I only have one, and I for damn sure aint sellin it.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:06:20 AM EDT




Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:09:05 AM EDT
i think we need a BoT test for the tokarev vs the 5.7 to see which is better vs body armor.


don't tell sarah brady
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:12:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/12/2006 12:13:28 AM EDT by Enigma102083]
I talked to some guys over on the tech boards, a few have custom 7.62x25 uppers for their ARs, now that would be freaking sweet.

ETA:

Also, with how the slide/barrel assembly just clips onto the frame, I've always thought that a sorta slap-on carbine upper could be made for the CZ-52 frame, then weld together some 16 round mags. If I were more apt at machining I'd attempt such a project.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:43:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 2A373:


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Yeah, but you dont have the fancy tactical case.


Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:47:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By 2A373:


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Yeah, but you dont have the fancy tactical case.


fusionwaste.com/007/Pictures/Guns/Case_open.jpg




I've got the fancy tactical holster.

Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:50:48 AM EDT
My holster is playing hide and seek.
Its hiding in my closet somewhere, and I've been unable to seek it out.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:58:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
My holster is playing hide and seek.
Its hiding in my closet somewhere, and I've been unable to seek it out.




I know exactly where mine is.

7312 miles and 48 more days that way ------------->
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