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Link Posted: 2/10/2006 8:45:50 PM EDT
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So when is Glock gonna make a 1911?



Hopefully Never.

I would hate to see John Moses Browning kick off the dirt from his grave due to the unnatural rate of deaths from operating your own pistol.

Glock should stick to middle of the road quality 9mm's  and leave the real man calibers to actual gun makers.


SG



If you're referring to the "kabooms" everyone loves to cite as a result of poor quality, then perhaps you'll notice that they are attributed to doing things specifically advised against by Glock. ie: using reloads.

I'll agree that the 1911 is a great weapon as much as the next guy, but I highly doubt you can substantiate your claim that Glock can't produce top notch weapons in what you call "real man" calibers.



I wonder if he would like to do a side by side torture test of a Colt Delta 10 and a G-20 to see which one would fail first.  Glock makes the best 10mm on the market.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 8:57:55 PM EDT
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So when is Glock gonna make a 1911?



Hopefully Never.

I would hate to see John Moses Browning kick off the dirt from his grave due to the unnatural rate of deaths from operating your own pistol.

Glock should stick to middle of the road quality 9mm's  and leave the real man calibers to actual gun makers.


SG



If you're referring to the "kabooms" everyone loves to cite as a result of poor quality, then perhaps you'll notice that they are attributed to doing things specifically advised against by Glock. ie: using reloads.

I'll agree that the 1911 is a great weapon as much as the next guy, but I highly doubt you can substantiate your claim that Glock can't produce top notch weapons in what you call "real man" calibers.



Again, my claim is regarding  a VERY close friend's .45 Glock KaBOOM ...iwhich I witnessed...it was an ADMITTED chamber failure, by Glock, with FACTORY AMMO, and Glock, in their inifnite superiority, gave my friend, a stand up guy,  a big- assed  throbbing, blue-veined viagra-slinging middle finger of a "FUCK-YOU"! even after admitting the failure was theirs.

Screw Glock...their guns are of at VERY BEST, middling quality  in lesser calibers, and their customer "service" sucks the sweat off a dead child molester's balls. IMO.

YMMV, More f'ing power to you

SG
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 8:58:11 PM EDT
[#3]
Glock makes several models that could arguably be considered the best in several categories. Are Glocks the prettiest guns out there? No. Do they fit everyone? No. Does it have the history or glory of having been through several wars like the 1911? No. But then again, 1911s, Sigs, etc. don't fit everyone either, aren't always aesthetically pleasing, etc.

Glock is a fine example in durability, reliability, and utility that few can compare to. People can call it tupperware all they want, say how ugly it is, but you can't say it's inferior to other firearm designs based on KBs occurring due to owner negligence.  

And no, I don't hate 1911s.

Edit to add: Ok, so your friend received a genuinely bad chamber. Are you going to tell me that Kimber or Colt have never produced a single bad item? With that attitude you might as well say the M16/M4 series weapons suck ass because they sometimes jam.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 9:03:05 PM EDT
[#4]
I would be very interested in G17 or G21 single stack.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 9:22:27 PM EDT
[#5]
HOLY SHIT!!!

I just had a revelation, perhaps even an epiphany!!

EVERY mass produced product (not just guns, but EVERY product) will have the occasional defect.  If you're the one in a million customer to get the junk, than that sucks for you, but that doesnt mean that the other million models out there are junk as well.

So your buddy got the one in a million.  Tough draw.  If CS was a problem, that's a seperate issue, but the literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, if not MILLIONS of Glocks out there that have most likely fired round counts in the BILLIONS (collectively of course) is testimony to the soundness of the design, love it or not.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 9:23:44 PM EDT
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HOLY SHIT!!!

I just had a revelation, perhaps even an epiphany!!

EVERY mass produced product (not just guns, but EVERY product) will have the occasional defect.  If you're the one in a million customer to get the junk, than that sucks for you, but that doesnt mean that the other million models out there are junk as well.

So your buddy got the one in a million.  Tough draw.  If CS was a problem, that's a seperate issue, but the literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, if not MILLIONS of Glocks out there that have most likely fired round counts in the BILLIONS (collectively of course) is testimony to the soundness of the design, love it or not.



dude, just try to ignore scaryguy, he's just an anti glock troll.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 9:29:28 PM EDT
[#7]
This is really getting annoying. Did gaston say he was making a new carbine or new gun in an official statement? No he didnt so STFU

Glock changed the pistol world and 20 years later SIG and HK are still trying to catch up. What more do they need to do.

Lets see...

Number one selling handgun brand in the world - Glock
Number one LEO handgun in the world - Glock

What the fuck more do you want? You know why SIG, HK, and Beretta make new models every year? Because they are still trying to find the magic formula that beats Glock in sales.

Extensive use of polymer in pistols is because Glock made it viable and successful

Seamless safeties and light fast resetting DAO consistant trigger pulls were made en-vogue because of glock

How many guns were sporting light rails before Glock?

Only how have designs from SIG and HK starting to show the promise needed to rival glocks winning formula, but they cant do it without double the parts and cost, and I get Glock mags for $20 less.

Speaking of mags...highest size and weight to capacity ratio across the board. GLOCK AGAIN

Seriously, what the fuck do people want. Go buy a fucking beretta 9mm carbine if you need something plastic to make love to.

Glock is doing alright in my book
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 9:36:46 PM EDT
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Kaboom

That is damn funny and will never get old! Oh, and tag for tomorrow when I am sober.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 9:49:12 PM EDT
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I'd love a single stack 9mm.  I have a PM9 now, but I find it difficult to shoot a regular trigger after having acclimated to the Glock.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 1:16:43 PM EDT
[#10]
Glock =
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 5:45:18 PM EDT
[#11]

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Kaboom




I dont get it.  You talk shit about Glocks, but you continue to post in Glock forums  I dont like
Kimbers and Hi-points, so I dont concern myself with their dealings.  You on the other hand, seem to find any excuse to say "kaboom," "Glocks suck," etc.  Do you have any KB experiences with Glock, or do you have a bad case of the "internet ninja syndrome?"

Douche list:

1.  adair_usmc

2.  recon_rabbit

3.  ScaryGuy


edited to add ScaryGuy to the douche list.....

Link Posted: 2/11/2006 5:50:11 PM EDT
[#12]

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Kaboom




I dont get it.  You talk shit about Glocks, but you continue to post in Glock forums  I dont like
Kimbers and Hi-points, so I dont concern myself with their dealings.  You on the other hand, seem to find any excuse to say "kaboom," "Glocks suck," etc.  Do you have any KB experiences with Glock, or do you have a bad case of the "internet ninja syndrome?"

Douche list:

1.  adair_usmc

2.  recon_rabbit

3.  ScaryGuy


edited to add ScaryGuy to the douche list.....




4. T2000
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 11:59:53 PM EDT
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Nobody bitches that Randall doesn't make Multi-tools or that Boeing doesn't make motorcycles.

GLOCK makes SUPERB handguns in several sizes and several calibers. Why demand more from a company?

Sure, a carbine would be cool, but I don't think GLOCK has ever even hinted at making a carbine. As far as I know it was dreamed up and expected year after year by people who wished they made one.

Do you really think they are going to lose their #1 position in the LEO market to something with interchangeable backstraps??? Yeah, that SW99 has really taken police departments by storm. So much so, that S&W is coming out with yet a 3rd pistol to compete with GLOCK.

It would be nice if GLOCK made a small single stack 9mm, so you didn't have to buy a Kahr. However, I would guess that there were more G26s sold last year than all Kahrs combined.

Hell, I wish GLOCK would make a car that is as reliable as my GLOCK pistol, but that ain't gonna happen. As long as they are making the best pistols available, I'm not not going to complain.




Agree 100%

I never understand why people complain that every GUN company doesn't make EVERY model.
Why the Brand Focus. If you want a carbine buy a beretta. The usual answer is , "but they make good guns"?. Personally I choose my guns, based on the gun first and who makes it second.
[I guess this is why I own several Norinco firearms]

Aston Martin make a nice automobile. Why don't make a sub compact Car ?
(btw, I'd buy one)

Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:01:35 AM EDT
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Kaboom




I dont get it.  You talk shit about Glocks, but you continue to post in Glock forums  I dont like
Kimbers and Hi-points, so I dont concern myself with their dealings.  You on the other hand, seem to find any excuse to say "kaboom," "Glocks suck," etc.  Do you have any KB experiences with Glock, or do you have a bad case of the "internet ninja syndrome?"

Douche list:

1.  adair_usmc

2.  recon_rabbit

3.  ScaryGuy


edited to add ScaryGuy to the douche list.....




4. T2000



5. coastie720 , and douche, and dipshit.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:15:03 AM EDT
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Kaboom




I dont get it.  You talk shit about Glocks, but you continue to post in Glock forums  I dont like
Kimbers and Hi-points, so I dont concern myself with their dealings.  You on the other hand, seem to find any excuse to say "kaboom," "Glocks suck," etc.  Do you have any KB experiences with Glock, or do you have a bad case of the "internet ninja syndrome?"

Douche list:

1.  adair_usmc

2.  recon_rabbit

3.  ScaryGuy


edited to add ScaryGuy to the douche list.....




4. T2000



5. coastie720 , and douche, and dipshit.



Your argument and debating skills are impressive, sir.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:16:47 AM EDT
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Kaboom




I dont get it.  You talk shit about Glocks, but you continue to post in Glock forums  I dont like
Kimbers and Hi-points, so I dont concern myself with their dealings.  You on the other hand, seem to find any excuse to say "kaboom," "Glocks suck," etc.  Do you have any KB experiences with Glock, or do you have a bad case of the "internet ninja syndrome?"

Douche list:

1.  adair_usmc

2.  recon_rabbit

3.  ScaryGuy


edited to add ScaryGuy to the douche list.....




4. T2000



5. coastie720 , and douche, and dipshit.



Your argument and debating skills are impressive, sir.




Thank you.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:46:23 AM EDT
[#17]
Glock did say they are coming out with a new softdrink line that should be better than kool-aid. I'll buy some, Ohhh-yeah!
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:54:24 AM EDT
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it's exactly what happens with commercial success. The head honchos think they can sell product on name recognition alone. Exactly what happened with Colt and Kimber and their 1911s, and with Colt and their rifles. Once they get the LEO contracts, there's no need to woo customers.

Glock came up with a design that's cheap, reliable, and idiot-simple to use. Some people want a car that gets you from point a to point b without any hassle or breakage, so they go with a Camry. Others want some whiz-bang tech that allows you to look good doing the same thing, so they get a BMW.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:58:35 AM EDT
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I very much like my glocks 21 and 36.  You trolls can take your dontcareometer and use it to take your own rectal temperature.  Your numbnuttery and faggotry is absurd.



I like your subtlety.



 It never ends....
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 1:18:33 AM EDT
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I thought that the big announcement was that Glock is sponsoring a NASCAR stock-car this year? Someone mentioned it, I believe on the custom Glock website.



adair_USMC, you sold off your 2 Glock's yet?
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 1:20:04 AM EDT
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HOLY SHIT!!!

I just had a revelation, perhaps even an epiphany!!

EVERY mass produced product (not just guns, but EVERY product) will have the occasional defect.  If you're the one in a million customer to get the junk, than that sucks for you, but that doesnt mean that the other million models out there are junk as well.

So your buddy got the one in a million.  Tough draw.  If CS was a problem, that's a seperate issue, but the literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, if not MILLIONS of Glocks out there that have most likely fired round counts in the BILLIONS (collectively of course) is testimony to the soundness of the design, love it or not.

Take that common sense, and shove it up your ass, mister. The "ALL Glocks kaboom ALL the time" shitheads don't like it.

Link Posted: 2/12/2006 6:44:14 AM EDT
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Kaboom




I dont get it.  You talk shit about Glocks, but you continue to post in Glock forums  I dont like
Kimbers and Hi-points, so I dont concern myself with their dealings.  You on the other hand, seem to find any excuse to say "kaboom," "Glocks suck," etc.  Do you have any KB experiences with Glock, or do you have a bad case of the "internet ninja syndrome?"

Douche list:

1.  adair_usmc

2.  recon_rabbit

3.  ScaryGuy


edited to add ScaryGuy to the douche list.....




4. T2000

Thank you NoFAL. I am honored to make the list.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 7:06:19 AM EDT
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Glocks are good
Glocks are great
Just don't shoot reloads
As the manual states



or unjacketed lead ammo
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 10:29:19 AM EDT
[#24]

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Kaboom




I dont get it.  You talk shit about Glocks, but you continue to post in Glock forums  I dont like
Kimbers and Hi-points, so I dont concern myself with their dealings.  You on the other hand, seem to find any excuse to say "kaboom," "Glocks suck," etc.  Do you have any KB experiences with Glock, or do you have a bad case of the "internet ninja syndrome?"

Douche list:

1.  adair_usmc

2.  recon_rabbit

3.  ScaryGuy


edited to add ScaryGuy to the douche list.....




4. T2000



5. coastie720 , and douche, and dipshit.




Nice comeback.  Now go borrow a G19, load up some really hot reloads with cast lead bullets and head to the range.........for all of us.  
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 1:49:49 PM EDT
[#25]
I like the Glock alot and have several. It would have been cool to see some new stuff I agree. I have been focusing on 1911's recently to customize and play around with some different parts.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 2:18:29 PM EDT
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Without constant upgrades Glocks will fade away into oblivion.

Take the 1911 for example. Without the many upgrades that have occured to it over the last 100 years it would never be as popular as it is today. If you held the first 1911 up to one made today you wouldn't even be able to tell that they were the same gun.


Without the many upgrades for 1911s, they would be less reliable, less accurate, and less user friendly. Perhaps the reason for so many modifications and accessories is that few people want one the way it was designed. Even with all of the bells and whistles, 1911s aren't necessarily the best pistols to bet your life on. I have a Kimber that is several years old, properly maintained, and properly lubricated. After at least 1000 rounds, it still malfunctions occaisionally, even with quality mags and ammo. My Glocks have thousands of rounds through them without a single malfunction. Not one out of 6 pistols with thousands of rounds fired over several years.

The Browing Hi Power has been aroung since 1935 and it is still going strong virtually unchanged.

There are only two negative points to be found about Glock pistols. The first is that they either fit your hand or they don't. If they don't you have to have the frame modified, rather than being able to change the grips.

The second negative point is the infamous kb issue. Those that don't like Glocks are quick to point out that there have been a few that have exploded. There have also been HK pistols that have kb'd. The walls of the Small Arms Repair Shop at MCLB Albany are lined with rifles and pistols that have kb'd. 1911s, M-16s, M-2HBs, etc. The member here that had one kb never misses a chance to post about it. Coincidently, he is the same person that kb'd the Keltec .223 pistol I mentioned earlier. Kind of makes you wonder if there is some kind of pattern there.



Sorry, you are totally incorrect. The problem with some of the "modern" 1911s and reports of unreliability are due to improper specs, [they were originally DESIGNED to have looser tolerances then what the new ones have] poor or incorrect materials and improper fitting. Reports of unreliability began when the pistols were tightened up to produce accuracy when they were used and built as target guns. Any of my ww2 GI 1911s are uber reliable. If I peened the rails of a Glock, fitted the BBL at the front of the slide and at lock up to the 9th degree and made all parts fit at a minimum spec, they would be just as unreliable as any POS 1911. Glocks run AND are sloppy as hell in tolerences. [lot of slop] Thats one reason they are reliable.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 2:19:43 PM EDT
[#27]

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adair_USMC, you sold off your 2 4 Glock's yet?



There fixed it for ya
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 2:20:44 PM EDT
[#28]

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Sorry, you are totally incorrect. The problem with some of the "modern" 1911s and reports of unreliability are due to improper specs, [they were originally DESIGNED to have looser tolerances then what the new ones have] poor or incorrect materials and improper fitting. Reports of unreliability began when the pistols were tightened up to produce accuracy when they were used and built as target guns. Any of my ww2 GI 1911s are uber reliable. If I peened the rails of a Glock, fitted the BBL at the front of the slide and at lock up to the 9th degree and made all parts fit at a minimum spec, they would be just as unreliable as any POS 1911. Glocks run AND are sloppy as hell in tolerences. [lot of slop] Thats one reason they are reliable.



technically you're wrong too, the tolerances are quite tight, the clearances are loose.  otherwise you couldnt swap parts between different glocks
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 2:23:24 PM EDT
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Sorry, you are totally incorrect. The problem with some of the "modern" 1911s and reports of unreliability are due to improper specs, [they were originally DESIGNED to have looser tolerances then what the new ones have] poor or incorrect materials and improper fitting. Reports of unreliability began when the pistols were tightened up to produce accuracy when they were used and built as target guns. Any of my ww2 GI 1911s are uber reliable. If I peened the rails of a Glock, fitted the BBL at the front of the slide and at lock up to the 9th degree and made all parts fit at a minimum spec, they would be just as unreliable as any POS 1911. Glocks run AND are sloppy as hell in tolerences. [lot of slop] Thats one reason they are reliable.



technically you're wrong too, the tolerances are quite tight, the clearances are loose.  otherwise you couldnt swap parts between different glocks



OK, thats what I was getting at. lots of slop between the parts were designed in just as in the original 1911. JMB STILL had it right FIRST.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 2:32:55 PM EDT
[#30]

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Sorry, you are totally incorrect. The problem with some of the "modern" 1911s and reports of unreliability are due to improper specs, [they were originally DESIGNED to have looser tolerances then what the new ones have] poor or incorrect materials and improper fitting. Reports of unreliability began when the pistols were tightened up to produce accuracy when they were used and built as target guns. Any of my ww2 GI 1911s are uber reliable. If I peened the rails of a Glock, fitted the BBL at the front of the slide and at lock up to the 9th degree and made all parts fit at a minimum spec, they would be just as unreliable as any POS 1911. Glocks run AND are sloppy as hell in tolerences. [lot of slop] Thats one reason they are reliable.



technically you're wrong too, the tolerances are quite tight, the clearances are loose.  otherwise you couldnt swap parts between different glocks



Big +1

I bet my G-21 will shoot as good if not better than ANY 1911.

I would have been happy if they had even come out with a high quality holster to go with their quality guns, any thing I don't care if they have massive changes or evolutions just do something to keep things fresh and if your 'Amazing new product' is behind schedule say so don't just act like you never promised anything
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 2:35:03 PM EDT
[#31]

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Um, so if you don't introduce a new product the ones you already make stop working or something?

G



They need to fess up about what the hell is wrong with those malfunctioning G21's so I can start using mine for home defense again!
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 2:35:37 PM EDT
[#32]

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Um, so if you don't introduce a new product the ones you already make stop working or something?

G



They need to fess up about what the hell is wrong with those malfunctioning G21's so I can start using mine for home defense again!



what?

edit:  how about not using overcharged reloads or rounds that have set back bullets from being chambered too many times?

oh yeah just like any other pistol!
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 2:45:54 PM EDT
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Sorry, you are totally incorrect. The problem with some of the "modern" 1911s and reports of unreliability are due to improper specs, [they were originally DESIGNED to have looser tolerances then what the new ones have] poor or incorrect materials and improper fitting. Reports of unreliability began when the pistols were tightened up to produce accuracy when they were used and built as target guns. Any of my ww2 GI 1911s are uber reliable. If I peened the rails of a Glock, fitted the BBL at the front of the slide and at lock up to the 9th degree and made all parts fit at a minimum spec, they would be just as unreliable as any POS 1911. Glocks run AND are sloppy as hell in tolerences. [lot of slop] Thats one reason they are reliable.



technically you're wrong too, the tolerances are quite tight, the clearances are loose.  otherwise you couldnt swap parts between different glocks



Big +1

I bet my G-21 will shoot as good if not better than ANY 1911.

I would have been happy if they had even come out with a high quality holster to go with their quality guns, any thing I don't care if they have massive changes or evolutions just do something to keep things fresh and if your 'Amazing new product' is behind schedule say so don't just act like you never promised anything



OOOOOOOOOOOOKAY. Nuthin against Glocks but they will never win an accuracy contest with a properly built 1911. There is a reason that Glocks are not well represented on the TARGET range. Even my bud who is a Glock Armorer, and competetive shooter who LOVES Glocks above all will happily admit that.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 2:58:50 PM EDT
[#34]

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HOLY SHIT!!!

I just had a revelation, perhaps even an epiphany!!

EVERY mass produced product (not just guns, but EVERY product) will have the occasional defect. If you're the one in a million customer to get the junk, than that sucks for you, but that doesnt mean that the other million models out there are junk as well.

So your buddy got the one in a million. Tough draw. If CS was a problem, that's a seperate issue, but the literally HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS, if not MILLIONS of Glocks out there that have most likely fired round counts in the BILLIONS (collectively of course) is testimony to the soundness of the design, love it or not.




Stop making sense dammit!!!!!

Just post "Kaboom" and "Glocks Suck" with no logical, reasonable or sensible responses.

I think what it is about Glocks is that Gaston Glock was the original "playa". He impregnated dozens of women and those illigitimate children have grown up knowing who thier daddy really is, but Gaston won't recognize them as his children. So therefore, we have alot of hate for all things Glock.

Sounds plausible...
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 3:05:07 PM EDT
[#35]
I have an 11-year-old Glock 19 that works 100%...
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 3:16:11 PM EDT
[#36]
Looks like to me every one else is still playing catchup in trying to copy the Glock.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 3:22:16 PM EDT
[#37]
Glocks are excellent pistols, dont belive me??click below.

ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=5&f=4&t=13658

I love my Glock 17, I remember once upon a time about BS stories that AR/M-16 jammed every other round and were the biggest POS rifle ever made.

Funny how real results change your mind.

I do wish the had a manual safety.

FREE
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 3:26:40 PM EDT
[#38]
This is why it's a bad idea to post firearms related threads in the GD forum.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 4:13:53 PM EDT
[#39]

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Sorry, you are totally incorrect. The problem with some of the "modern" 1911s and reports of unreliability are due to improper specs, [they were originally DESIGNED to have looser tolerances then what the new ones have] poor or incorrect materials and improper fitting. Reports of unreliability began when the pistols were tightened up to produce accuracy when they were used and built as target guns. Any of my ww2 GI 1911s are uber reliable. If I peened the rails of a Glock, fitted the BBL at the front of the slide and at lock up to the 9th degree and made all parts fit at a minimum spec, they would be just as unreliable as any POS 1911. Glocks run AND are sloppy as hell in tolerences. [lot of slop] Thats one reason they are reliable.



technically you're wrong too, the tolerances are quite tight, the clearances are loose.  otherwise you couldnt swap parts between different glocks



Big +1

I bet my G-21 will shoot as good if not better than ANY 1911.

I would have been happy if they had even come out with a high quality holster to go with their quality guns, any thing I don't care if they have massive changes or evolutions just do something to keep things fresh and if your 'Amazing new product' is behind schedule say so don't just act like you never promised anything



OOOOOOOOOOOOKAY. Nuthin against Glocks but they will never win an accuracy contest with a properly built 1911. There is a reason that Glocks are not well represented on the TARGET range. Even my bud who is a Glock Armorer, and competetive shooter who LOVES Glocks above all will happily admit that.



Well to hi-jack my own thread:
T1 target

T2 target


www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=480768
Jim Triplett shot a 500 50X perfet score in GSSF indoor at NASR on 12/17/05.  The T1 target has 10 shots at 15 ft in 10 sec, 10 shots at 25 ft in 10 sec and 10 shots at 50 ft in 20 sec.  The T2 target has 10 shots in 30 sec at 75ft, 5 shots at 25ft in 10 sec and 5 shots at 50ft in 10 sec.  He has been shooting 500 48-49X for months with G-17's, G-22's, G-37's and G-21's.  He shot a mixed pistol match with a G-22 and smoked all the $2.5K custom 1911 bullseye shooters.  So don't tell me that Glocks won't shoot well, maybe it is you or your armor friend that just can't shoot as well as your guns can.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 4:33:38 PM EDT
[#40]
I never did, and still dont, understand why the Glock is so popular.  I have always found it to be highly over-rated, and I have yet to find a Glock shooter than can out shoot me and my Sig 26 (9mm and 357 Sig) and my 9mm Hi-Power.

besides... 1>the founder/owner is against the public owning guns; 2>how many THOUSANDS of their frames have/had faulty rails; 3> how many have gone or will go "KaBOOM!"

Highly over-rated.  In more than one way.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 4:40:39 PM EDT
[#41]

Quoted:
I never did, and still dont, understand why the Glock is so popular.  I have always found it to be highly over-rated, and I have yet to find a Glock shooter than can out shoot me and my Sig 26 (9mm and 357 Sig) and my 9mm Hi-Power.

besides... 1>the founder/owner is against the public owning guns; 2>how many THOUSANDS of their frames have/had faulty rails; 3> how many have gone or will go "KaBOOM!"

Highly over-rated.  In more than one way.




Beat it Troll Don't care what you think about them we all seem to really like'm so take you and your MaD 1337 Skilz some where else.
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 4:45:07 PM EDT
[#42]
Personally, I think you can all keep your Glocks AND 1911's.  I PERSONALLY don't like them.  That's not to say that they are not both outstanding weapons, but I have fired both, and PERSONALLY do not like them.

I carry a Beretta because I like it better.  Would I take a Glock or 1911 to the range and have a good time? Sure, but it's not my #1 choice for MY gun.  Of course, now that I brought up Beretta, there'll be a million assholes claiming that it is only a matter of time before I catch my slide between my teeth.

I'd be willing to bet every gun in my arsenal that if you took the numbers of different guns produced by major reputable manufacturers, they would have a comprable failure rate.  I would also bet that no matter what manufactuer/design you choose to look at, that failure rate would be less than 1%, and most likely significantly so.

Link Posted: 2/12/2006 4:52:15 PM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:
I never did, and still dont, understand why the Glock is so popular.  I have always found it to be highly over-rated, and I have yet to find a Glock shooter than can out shoot me and my Sig 26 (9mm and 357 Sig) and my 9mm Hi-Power.

besides... 1>the founder/owner is against the public owning guns; 2>how many THOUSANDS of their frames have/had faulty rails; 3> how many have gone or will go "KaBOOM!"

Highly over-rated.  In more than one way.

5. JRBL1A1 Welcome to the list friend.
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