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Posted: 2/8/2006 2:33:16 PM EDT

In Texas, the CHL laws permit conceal carry in the church. Over the last few years there have

been several nut jobs walk in to fully packed churches and go "postal" for what ever psychotic reason.

I always carry on Sunday mornings but there is something about it that makes me feel a little

strange. Just wondering if I was the only one that felt this and if anyone else carrys there weapon

to church?

Posted: 2/8/2006 2:37:11 PM EDT

[#1]

you know what would feel even more strange? being in the hospital recovering from a bullet wound after watching your whole family and half the congregation get slaughtered because you decided to not carry that day.

Posted: 2/8/2006 2:38:09 PM EDT

[#2]

You are just the Shepard looking out after the Sheep(le). Carry on dear brother.

Posted: 2/8/2006 2:39:00 PM EDT

[#3]

Always.

Posted: 2/8/2006 2:39:03 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:
You are just the Shepard looking out after the Sheep(le). Carry on dear brother.

Yep.

Posted: 2/8/2006 2:39:23 PM EDT

[#5]

A firehose.

ETA all jokes aside, yes,

Posted: 2/8/2006 2:40:54 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
you know what would feel even more strange? being in the hospital recovering from a bullet wound after watching your whole family and half the congregation get slaughtered because you decided to not carry that day.[/quote

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Well said Horseman.

Posted: 2/8/2006 2:42:06 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
You are just the Shepard looking out after the Sheep(le). Carry on dear brother.

Never really looked at it that way.

Thank you.

Posted: 2/8/2006 2:42:47 PM EDT

[#8]

I dont carry.. and I dont go to church.. so no

Posted: 2/8/2006 2:42:48 PM EDT

[#9]

On those occasions I attend, yes, I am armed.

Posted: 2/8/2006 2:44:48 PM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:
On those occasions I attend, yes, I am armed.

ditto

Posted: 2/8/2006 2:45:12 PM EDT

[#11]

+1 to carry in church!

Robbing congregations in the middle of church service is a growing fad in the criminal world.

Posted: 2/8/2006 2:46:49 PM EDT

[#12]

Virginia law forbids me to carry in a church during a religious event.

Posted: 2/8/2006 2:58:12 PM EDT

[#13]

24/7

Posted: 2/8/2006 3:01:49 PM EDT

[#14]

AGNTSA

Posted: 2/8/2006 3:03:36 PM EDT

[#15]

Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

Hell yes I carry in Church...Can I get a amen brotha?

Posted: 2/8/2006 3:05:56 PM EDT

[#16]

Weddings, funerals, all the time, every time.

and

AMEN.

Posted: 2/8/2006 3:07:40 PM EDT

[#17]

You have been watching Pulp Fiction again, eh? No such verse, at least in my copy of the bible [NSRV].

I'm not Christian, but I know something about that faith, and I suspect that God would expect the warriors among the people to be prepared at all times to defend those who cannot or will not defend themselves.

Posted: 2/8/2006 3:10:19 PM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
You have been watching Pulp Fiction again, eh? No such verse, at least in my copy of the bible [NSRV].

I'm not Christian, but I know something about that faith, and I suspect that God would expect the warriors among the people to be prepared at all times to defend those who cannot or will not defend themselves.

I know this..my son and I checked it out a few weeks ago and the bible verse is quite differerent...None the less, I liked that line in the movie

Posted: 2/8/2006 3:11:48 PM EDT

[#19]

Quoted:
Virginia law forbids me to carry in a church during a religious event.

Are they patting you down at the church doors yet?

Posted: 2/8/2006 3:16:23 PM EDT

[#20]

Quoted:

...Can I get a amen brotha?hr

AAAAAAAMEN!!!!!!

Posted: 2/8/2006 3:26:36 PM EDT

[#21]

Hmm, just looked at the back of my permit... here is an excerpt:

...a licensee shall not carry a concealed pistol at a ... church, synagogue, mosque, temple or other place of worship,... or as otherwise prohibited by law.

Of course, I don't go to churches, synagogues, mosques, temples, or other places of worship, on a regular (or irregular) basis.

Now, it also says that I can't carry at schools or school property, but the actual statute does allow for carry at a school in which I am picking up or dropping off my child, but that assumes I am not going INTO the school, but am still on property.

But, as many here have said....if it's concealed...no one knows. And if needed, and used, I'd rather take the heat afterwards while being alive than otherwise.

No Expert

Posted: 2/8/2006 3:32:23 PM EDT

[#22]

Sometimes, depending on what I'm wearing. I'm starting to get the vibe I should always though..

Posted: 2/8/2006 3:38:36 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
Virginia law forbids me to carry in a church during a religious event.

Not really...

packing.org's summary of VA law says this is illegal:
"Carrying dangerous weapon to place of religious worship while a meeting for religious purposes is being held unless you have "good and sufficient reason." There is no known definition of what a good and sufficient reason would be. Violation is a minor crime, punishible by a fine of up to $100. "

I'm sure you wouldn't be carrying without good and sufficient reason.

BTW, our church's previous pastor (retired) was usually armed, often in church. (And I bought a .357 fom him once.)

Posted: 2/8/2006 3:44:10 PM EDT

[#24]

i was under the distinct impression that carrying in church was illegal in texas.

Posted: 2/8/2006 3:47:27 PM EDT

[#25]

see texas penal code 46.035

you may not legally carry in a place of worship.

but if it's concealed, who'll know...

Posted: 2/8/2006 3:48:32 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
Ezekiel 25:17. "The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."

Hell yes I carry in Church...Can I get a amen brotha?

I believe that does not mean to kill, but assist and steer one who would steal from a church back to the path of righteousness.

Now, if they are in to kill or maim church goers....by all means...send them to their maker.

Amen!

Posted: 2/8/2006 4:00:13 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
see texas penal code 46.035

you may not legally carry in a place of worship.

but if it's concealed, who'll know...

Read the whole statute, especially the part I marked in red.

PC §46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE
HOLDER. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license
holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person
under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code,
and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.
(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally,
knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority
of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of
whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's
person:
(1) on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued
under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if
the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or
service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined
by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section
104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;
(2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional
sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless
the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used
in the event;
(3) on the premises of a correctional facility;
(4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under Chapter 241,
Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing home licensed
under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the license
holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing home
administration, as appropriate;
(5) in an amusement park; or
(6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established
place of religious worship.
(c) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally,
knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority
of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of
whether the handgun is concealed, at any meeting of a governmental
entity.
(d) A license holder commits an offense if, while intoxicated, the
license holder carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H,
Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is
concealed.
(e) A license holder who is licensed as a security officer under
Chapter 1702, Occupations Code, and employed as a security officer
commits an offense if, while in the course and scope of the security
officer's employment, the security officer violates a provision of
Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.
TEXAS CONCEALED HANDGUN LAWS PC §46.04. 37
(f) In this section:
(1) "Amusement park" means a permanent indoor or outdoor
facility or park where amusement rides are available for use by the
public that is located in a county with a population of more than one
million, encompasses at least 75 acres in surface area, is enclosed
with access only through controlled entries, is open for operation more
than 120 days in each calendar year, and has security guards on the
premises at all times. The term does not include any public or private
driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or
other parking area.
(2) "License holder" means a person licensed to carry a handgun
under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.
(3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The
term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk
or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
(g) An offense under Subsection (a), (b), (c), (d), or (e) is a Class A
misdemeanor, unless the offense is committed under Subsection
(b)(1) or (b)(3), in which event the offense is a felony of the third
degree.
(h) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a) that the
actor, at the time of the commission of the offense, displayed the
handgun under circumstances in which the actor would have been
justified in the use of deadly force under Chapter 9.
(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor
was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.
(j) Subsections (a) and (b)(1) do not apply to a historical reenactment
performed in compliance with the rules of the Texas Alcoholic
Beverage Commission.

You have to read the whole thing to understand the law. Many times the law is changed at a later date and instead of rewriting the statute the legislature will insert exceptions.

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