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Posted: 2/7/2006 5:14:05 PM EDT
I got a call tonight from a friend who was in the navy a few years ago. He wants me to find him "Bushmaster .223 mini 14 with a sliding stock" He saw one at a gunshow last week for 900.

I asked if he meant an ar15 and he wasnt sure. He said it had a big round thing on the barrel to grab on to and it had a spark arrester on the barrel.

He got out in 95, did they not train with rifles back then?
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 5:18:19 PM EDT
Your average sailor *might* have shot the M-14. The Navy does use the M-16 and variants, subs, SPECWAR, SeaBees, etc, but your average sailor used the M-14. Also rifle traininig wan't heavily emphasized back then.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 5:24:48 PM EDT
Thanks.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 5:53:59 PM EDT
They use Colt 727 carbines and M4A1 (which are usually converted from older M16A1s) variants for sure.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 4:24:31 AM EDT
Sail watchstanders have an M-16A2 and a Mk-46 (short-barreled SAW) during surface transit.

So yes, we do. I WAS NOT trained on the M-14 to receive my weapons receipt cards. One is for the M9 and M11 and the other is for the M-16.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 5:11:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Redmanfms:
Sail watchstanders have an M-16A2 and a Mk-46 (short-barreled SAW) during surface transit.

So yes, we do. I WAS NOT trained on the M-14 to receive my weapons receipt cards. One is for the M9 and M11 and the other is for the M-16.


The key to the first post was the time-frame, ie 1995. The M-14 was, by far, the most often used rifle in the Navy, outside of a couple of specialized communities, SeaBees/SEALs. The M-16 family is only really coming into vogue after 9/11.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 5:14:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Redmanfms:
Sail watchstanders have an M-16A2 and a Mk-46 (short-barreled SAW) during surface transit.

So yes, we do. I WAS NOT trained on the M-14 to receive my weapons receipt cards. One is for the M9 and M11 and the other is for the M-16.



For lots of M11 pr0n, watch NCIS.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 5:26:44 AM EDT
We carried M16A2s when I was deployed in 2004 to Iraq with NMCB3 (Seabees). Had to clean them everyday because of the fine dust that was everywhere.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 6:09:06 AM EDT
M-14 is being deleted from shipboard service. The only purpose it will have on ships is as a line throwing gun. M-4 and Mk-18 carbines are now being introduced fleetwide. Unfortunately we still retain the M-9 as a sidearm. Watchstanders are also qualified on the Mossberg 12 gauge.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 6:09:20 AM EDT
Some do, many if not most don't. My roomate was a nuke back in the late 80's and early 90's nad the only thing he fired was a 1911 at the range in boot camp, once.

I've also been on rifle ranges in the Guard and we had to train people there on the spot because they were in the Navy and had never touched an M16 there, and this was their first time firing one.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 6:12:31 AM EDT
I was in the navy for 3 1/2 years and never fired a government owned weapon.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 6:37:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CajunMojo: I was in the navy for 3 1/2 years and never fired a government owned weapon.
That should have changed by now. Shooting tests should be part of boot for today's Navy. There's going to be a whole lot of "agressive inspections" of suspect watercraft and shore facilities from now on.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 6:38:58 AM EDT
Im in a Naval Coastal Warfare Unit.We have M 16s, M4s, Mk19s, 50s, M 60s M9s.

So the answer is YES.

Link Posted: 2/8/2006 6:40:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CajunMojo:
I was in the navy for 3 1/2 years and never fired a government owned weapon.




I did enough to make up for you, thanks for your ammo allotment
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 7:04:02 AM EDT


show him this picture and ask if it looked liked this?
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 7:16:34 AM EDT
A friend of mine currently in the Navy said he say a demonstration of some kind(didn't get all the detail the conversation was through IM) with the Mk 43 (m240 for the guys without sealegs) and said that the guy didn't secure the barrel properly and went and fired the thing he said the barrel flew downrange and left before he started laughing his ass off
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 7:22:02 AM EDT
Friend of mine in the SeaBees is in pre-Iraq training in CA right now. (Port Hueneme)

He said they were issued M-16 A1's...I questioned him on the "A1" portion. Yuo the rear sight is an A1 all right. He said they were NEW in crates. Semi and Full auto selector only. No 3 shot burst.

Link Posted: 2/8/2006 7:29:48 AM EDT
Our last at see period on of the Navy guys (I guess he was one of their MPs) had a M16A1 lower with a new 11.5" Colt upper, KAC RAS, and a LMT SOPMOD stock.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 10:06:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Scooby223:
Our last at see period on of the Navy guys (I guess he was one of their MPs) had a M16A1 lower with a new 11.5" Colt upper, KAC RAS, and a LMT SOPMOD stock.



Thats the Mk18. Now being issued to all ships for their MIO (Maritime Interdiction Operation) boarding teams as well as shipboard security. M-14's are being deleted EXCEPT for Line Throwing (blanks only).
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 9:47:20 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 9:55:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DienBienPhu54:
www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m-14-dvic531.jpg

show him this picture and ask if it looked liked this?



I'm glad we don't have the dungarees anymore.
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 9:56:58 PM EDT
I thought the Navy carried M16A3s? This model is the A2 but with Full Auto instead of Burst. I always thought that was a point in the Navys favor. Anyone currently serving know?
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 10:53:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fike:

Originally Posted By DienBienPhu54:
www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m-14-dvic531.jpg

show him this picture and ask if it looked liked this?



I'm glad we don't have the dungarees anymore.



No dungarees?? What are Navy folk wearing now a days...?
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 11:05:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/10/2006 11:06:41 PM EDT by fike]

Originally Posted By buckmaw:

Originally Posted By fike:

Originally Posted By DienBienPhu54:
www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m-14-dvic531.jpg

show him this picture and ask if it looked liked this?



I'm glad we don't have the dungarees anymore.



No dungarees?? What are Navy folk wearing now a days...?





These are going to be replaced with BDUs.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 4:21:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RangemasterP226:
I thought the Navy carried M16A3s? This model is the A2 but with Full Auto instead of Burst. I always thought that was a point in the Navys favor. Anyone currently serving know?


There are A3s out there. There are 727s out there. M4A1s, Mk18s, and I'm sure there are M16A1s and M16A2s out there as well. The Navy really hasn't committed to one or two variants. We just take what we can get.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 4:29:35 AM EDT
We had SeaBee's stationed near by come to our armory for the yearly LTI on their weapons. I thought they were normal A2's until I saw Safe-Semi-Auto on the selector. Yep, they had A3's. Full auto goodness.

Semper Fi
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 4:59:35 AM EDT
On board the USS Stennis in 2002 we had M14's, M16A2's, M9's and the Mossberg M590.
I qualified on all of them, but prefered to carry the M14.
Never got to shoot it with the fun switch on though, but I was up on deck shooting it every time there was a fam fire or a qual shoot.

At the local Navy base the regular TAD gate guards carry the M590 Shotgun and the security forces carry either the M590 or the M16A2 and an M9.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 5:05:26 AM EDT
m11?
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 5:13:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr45auto:
m11?


When I was a WEPS on a PC we had M11s from the SPECWAR days, M4A1s, M14s, Mossbergs, M2s, M60s, GAU-17s. M9s are general issue, but the M11s pop up now and again with specialized units like SPECWAR, pilots IIRC, NCIS, and a couple of others.

The Navy has started to move to a twin M240 mount which is pretty nice.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 5:18:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/11/2006 5:20:08 AM EDT by Mr45auto]
Okay, what the hell is an M11? Maybe I'm just having a brain fart but it's not ringing any bells.

The little Sig P228?
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 5:22:35 AM EDT
So...this thread begs the question....what is the Navy gonna do with all those M14s? Will they all be recycled as SOCOMS or will they end up at DCMP? I want one!!
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 5:38:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
So...this thread begs the question....what is the Navy gonna do with all those M14s? Will they all be recycled as SOCOMS or will they end up at DCMP? I want one!!


They won't end up at DCMP. They're machineguns, and once a machine gun, always a machine gun.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 5:39:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/11/2006 5:40:01 AM EDT by Stryfe]
backbencher, is working on a semi-auto copy of his issue M16A3.
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=4&t=258046
Though I think he's become a bit sidetracked.
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