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Posted: 2/7/2006 1:59:21 PM EDT
Hook 'Em Hamza
*** Please See Update Below ***

A British court yesterday found Islamic fascist Abu Hamza al-Masri guilty of soliciting murder stemming from the "cleric's" exhortations of his followers to kill unbelievers, especially Jews. Hamza was immediately sentenced to seven years in prison. He could have, and should have, received a life sentence.

While, as I have written before, I have some qualms about some of the charges brought in this case under Britain's ridiculous "hate speech" laws, the key fact here was that Hamza was convicted of an offense which does not touch upon those concerns. Solicitating murder has never been held to be within the boundaries of free speech protection.

Just a few years ago, Britain could not even summon the will to deport Hamza, despite his boasts about a sham marriage and defrauding the government out of thousands of pounds in welfare money. Efforts to extradite him to third countries repeatedly failed.

Now, however, the mood is different. Even in Britain--where the poison of generations of sloppy socialist and multi-culti thinking is deeply embedded in everyday life--people are starting to wake up. Where yesterday Hamza was politically untouchable, today he is a convict.

Like we saw with the great turnaround in New York City under Mayor Giuliani, the only thing that changed was the political will of the people, illustrating yet again that until we get our civilizational house in order no victory in the war against Islamic Fascism will be possible.

What this means for conservatives is that we must never stop explaining, convincing, writing, talking, speaking, reading and, above all, reaching out to liberals who disagree with us.

It is at home that this war will be won or lost. Our enemies, like Hamza, will disappear like a forgotten nightmare the moment we summon the popular will to victory.

UPDATE: In 2003, British police raided Hamza's mosque in Finsbury Park. This raid, accomplished with armed and armored policemen, set off a chorus of abuse of the government by left-wing Britons who complained loudly that "holy" places were being abused by a power-mad government.

Now that Hamza's trial is over, HMG can now reveal what the police found in this so-called "holy" mosque. From the BBC:


Among the haul--some of which was found close to Abu Hamza's office--were chemical warfare protection suits, pistols, CS spray and a stun gun.

A gas mask, handcuffs, hunting knives and a walkie-talkie were also found.

Aside from military-style equipment, police also found more then 100 stolen or forged passports and identity documents, credit cards, laminating equipment and chequebooks hidden under rugs. More than £3,000 in cash was also recovered.



So long as we continue to treat the enemy's "holy" sites differently from how we treated similar structures in past wars--like German cathedrals used to store ammunition--the enemy will continue to exploit this weakness.
link 8:34 AM Comment (1)

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:00:34 PM EDT
the UK finally grew a pair
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:01:59 PM EDT
Another one bites the dust.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:02:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
the UK finally grew a pair



To be fair to the UK, they've always had a pair, they just misplace them from time to time.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:03:19 PM EDT
Maybe the famed British resolve isn't dead after all? Time will tell.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:04:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
the UK finally grew a pair



You stole the keystrokes right off my fingers!!!!
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:04:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GarethB:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
the UK finally grew a pair



To be fair to the UK, they've always had a pair, they just misplace them from time to time.

Yeah yeah yeah, lol
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:06:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:06:51 PM EDT
First, black and latino gang members are fighting with each other in prison. Now another terrorist gets convicted. The good news train just keeps on coming. Good times!
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:10:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
And after he's served his seven years here he will be extridited to the US...


....sux to be him.


ANdy



UK will extradite to a country that has the death penalty?
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:12:39 PM EDT
Just lock him up with a couple of Aryan Nation types and they will have the death penalty.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:38:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 2:54:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By vito113:
And after he's served his seven years here he will be extridited to the US...


....sux to be him.


ANdy



UK will extradite to a country that has the death penalty?



Erm (cough) ahem,....USA doesn't have the death penalty anymore.

Maybe you all missed that one

Mark
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 3:43:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By vito113:
And after he's served his seven years here he will be extridited to the US...


....sux to be him.


ANdy



UK will extradite to a country that has the death penalty?



Erm (cough) ahem,....USA doesn't have the death penalty anymore.

Maybe you all missed that one

Mark



That Sir is a load of Bollocks... We're still putting them out of our misery over here...
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 3:47:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 0612Devil:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By vito113:
And after he's served his seven years here he will be extridited to the US...


....sux to be him.


ANdy



UK will extradite to a country that has the death penalty?



Erm (cough) ahem,....USA doesn't have the death penalty anymore.

Maybe you all missed that one

Mark



That Sir is a load of Bollocks... We're still putting them out of our misery over here...

You'll have to overlook him. He's still freaked from learning that his country grew a nut or 2
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 3:52:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By 0612Devil:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By vito113:
And after he's served his seven years here he will be extridited to the US...


....sux to be him.


ANdy



UK will extradite to a country that has the death penalty?



Erm (cough) ahem,....USA doesn't have the death penalty anymore.

Maybe you all missed that one

Mark



That Sir is a load of Bollocks... We're still putting them out of our misery over here...

You'll have to overlook him. He's still freaked from learning that his country grew a nut or 2



No he just forgot to use a winking emotocon.

He was refering to how the UK press and public- and therefore their goverment- convinently forget their supposed opposition to the death penalty- or that the US still has it either way- depending on how much they hate the subject in question.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 3:53:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:

Originally Posted By 0612Devil:

Originally Posted By streetfighter:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By vito113:
And after he's served his seven years here he will be extridited to the US...


....sux to be him.


ANdy



UK will extradite to a country that has the death penalty?



Erm (cough) ahem,....USA doesn't have the death penalty anymore.

Maybe you all missed that one

Mark



That Sir is a load of Bollocks... We're still putting them out of our misery over here...

You'll have to overlook him. He's still freaked from learning that his country grew a nut or 2



No he just forgot to use a winking emotocon.

He was refering to how the UK press and public- and therefore their goverment- convinently forget their supposed opposition to the death penalty- or that the US still has it either way- depending on how much they hate the subject in question.

Uh, ok. Don't know how you inferred all that, but hell, your a lib, so it doesn't have to make sense J/K man lol
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 3:55:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GarethB:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
the UK finally grew a pair



To be fair to the UK, they've always had a pair, they just misplace them from time to time.



Unless he is in solitary, can't he just keep on preaching in prison, and converting more upstanding citizens to the cause?
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 4:24:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By capnrob97:

Originally Posted By GarethB:

Originally Posted By Dusty_C:
the UK finally grew a pair



To be fair to the UK, they've always had a pair, they just misplace them from time to time.



Unless he is in solitary, can't he just keep on preaching in prison, and converting more upstanding citizens to the cause?

It's better than letting him walk.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 8:30:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/8/2006 10:05:05 AM EDT by streetfighter]
You are all wrong regarding my statement.
Let me explain......come closer......The US Supreme Court has upheld a stay on executions by lethal injection after a challenge that they were indeed a "Cruel and unusual punishment" along the lines of firing squad, hanging and electrocution.

At this moment in time there are no death sentences being carried out in the USA.

This follows a successful 11th hour appeal in the case of a Florida prisoner who was last week reprieved after the needles were inserted into his veins.

Your new Supreme Court judge Alito voted in favour of postponing any future executions until a hearing is held on the subject. Probably sometime in June.

These are basically the facts but it looks like it might just be the end for the death penalty in the US.

Surprised you guys didn't hear about it.

Mark
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 12:39:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:

Originally Posted By vito113:
And after he's served his seven years here he will be extridited to the US...


....sux to be him.


ANdy



UK will extradite to a country that has the death penalty?



Yes, as long as the DoJ promises not to fry him.

ANdy



Can, just this once, we lie?
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