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Posted: 2/7/2006 12:55:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 2:45:23 PM EDT by FBI]
I always wear my holster – always – and let me explain why.

I wear the classic style OWB pancake holster w/ fore and aft belt loops. For some reason I’ve adopted the personal preference of wanting the loop width cut 1/16th (weak) narrower than the belt width. It takes about a 10lb pull to get the belt through the holster slots. I know this is ridiculous but it’s what I like. I have holsters from Kramer, Sparks and Larsen. I order a minimum three holsters for the same guns and secure them to my belt and jeans. I can now just through on a pair of pants without having to fight the leather until it’s wash time.

I was involved in very contentious litigation for six years. I was suing a very powerful corporation run by very wealthy, politically connected corporate executives. The defendants are regarded by many as pillars of the community.

Prior to my lawsuit I conducted a fair amount of business at the courthouse. I always entered with my holster and was on my way 99% of the time after clearing the walk-thru metal detector. I was subjected to pat-down searches on days when the equipment was being sensitive and security would acknowledge my holster with little fanfare.

Wearing my holster in restricted areas has never been an issue until one day early on in the litigation, at one of my depos, the defendant’s attorney asked, “Isn’t it true you have a CCW and carry a weapon?” I was surprised by the question but what really struck me was his contemptible tone…as if I had committed some morally despicable act.

I could only surmise the defendants gained knowledge of my CCW trough some type of database available to the public, or the defendants used other crafty means to gain this info; otherwise, I can’t imagine how else they would have known this.

Before my CCW status was known, the defendants never filed motions for protective orders. There was only one bailiff providing security for the judge whenever I appeared in the courtroom or her chambers. Under the circumstances, my attorneys, family and friends would all comment on my professional conduct.

It was only after the defendants found out I carried a gun that all kinds of motions were filed and granted for various protective orders. The defendants made no bones about informing judges, bailiffs, and other courthouse security and personnel that I had entered the courthouse with a holster and that I carried a gun. Either these two separate facts would get lost in translation, or through much speculation over my holster or whatever the reason, it would sometimes be rumored that I was in the courthouse carrying a gun.
The defendants also started spinning yarns that I was following them into the night.

I couldn’t just walk thru the metal detector anymore without being wanded and patted-down. The judge now had a minimum of two bailiffs present at all my hearings, and she didn’t look pleased. Last, there always appeared to be a man in a suit lurking around with a radio in hand.

It appeared many were scowling at me with contempt.

My lawyers, Bill Osborne-Lead Counsel, Brad Conway, Dominic Sagorski and Carlos Carrillo, explained that “poisoning the well” was one of the legal tactics used against litigating opponents. The defendants had created a “holster spin” that was causing much angst and anxiety. Ozzy, Dom, Brad and Carlos all asked that I no longer wear my holster into the courthouse.

This was an unacceptable request.

It’s hard to explain but I felt the defendants, the so-called self anointed corporate leaders of my community and their team of lawyers, who are very well known in Orlando for their political fund raiser banquets, were letting me know if they didn’t want me have a gun or a holster they had the power to make it so. I always felt they dictated the tone of how the court treated me. It’s as if they were mocking and toying with my rights by suggesting their power and money could alienate these rights. I know this is crazy talk but it was that smug smile they walk around with that got to me and I was not budging on the holster issue. Besides, as I explained earlier, it was a real bitch to put on and take off.

So a few months ago my trial gets underway. The judge and bailiffs are treating me like a murder suspect and, don’t forget, I’m the one doing the prosecuting.

Here’s my transcript where, on page 3, I’m telling the jury I want the defendants to pay for what they did so they’ll think twice about doing it to some other poor working stiff.

On page 6, I also tell the jury that no matter what happens at this trial my only focus in life is making sure the defendants never do this to anyone else again because it will destroy someone. I ‘m trying to explain that if you say shit like this to the wrong person whose going through a personal crisis, whose maybe a little unstable and doesn’t have the means, skills or education to articulate themselves to a jury, there’s a good chance he could go postal.

As you can see the shit hits the fan.

The jury was excused and the judge went back to chambers. The bailiff assigned to Judge Roche, Alan Pearl, is huddled over at the defense table speaking with the defendant executives and their lawyers.” Pearl and I have history because throughout the years he has told me, “you better lose the holster".

I’m just sitting there on the witness stand watching people huddle into small groups mumbling softly. After about 10 minutes Pearl leaves the defendants table and goes back into Judge Roche’s chambers. He's gone for a few minutes and the next thing I know he comes back out and orders me off the stand. Pearl grabs my hands behind my head, actually he’s crushing my fingers, and zealously kicks my feet apart. He does a pat-down search, manhandle fashion if you know what I mean, and appears thoroughly satisfied by his public humiliation of me in front of a full courtroom absent the judge and jury.

Pearl heard about my rumored holster for years and his lips puckered when he felt and grabbed my Milt Sparks I-BAK holster for confirmation. He was not amused.

Seething Pearl asked “Where’s the Gun?”

“What Gun?”

Yanking at the holster Pearl said, “The gun that goes in here?”

“I don’t have a gun.”

“Then why are you wearing a holster?”

“For my gun” I reply.

Being that we are in public Pearl said nothing and let me go.

We recessed and I went to lunch with Carlos and his wife, Dom, Mieko,my ex-wife who I was married too for 15 wonderful years, Dave Gill my PI and good friend who retired after 29 yrs. as a Special Agent with the FBI, and Greg Hernandez my other close friend whose a retired Coast Guard Master Chief.

An hour later we got back to the courthouse. Dave Gill was flanking my right as we stepped off the elevator. He was pushed aside as I was rushed by 6 Orange County Sheriff bailiffs. I was immediately escorted into an empty courtroom where four other sheriffs were waiting… including Alan Pearl.

Of the 10 bailiffs - it was Pearl that stepped forward, why wasn’t I surprised? Again, he applied the hands behind the head, bone crushing finger routine, except this time he slammed my head into one of the counsel tables. He leaned in close and said, "Who the fuck do you think you are? You think you can come into our house and piss all over us, and how many times did I tell you to lose the fucking holster?" As I was jerked and patted (interpret that loosely) someone grabbed my testicals and shouted, “Where’s the gun?” I was in pain but never once did I resist.

I was handcuffed, shoved out the courtroom back door and into a caged elevator for a ride downtown. Pearl told me I was being involuntarily committed under the Baker Act Law and that I was being transported to Lakeside Alternatives Crisis Stabilization Unit. That would be Orlando’s sister facility to One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

Dom walked up to Pearl as he was leading me to his black & white.

“Hey Pearl, what’ the charge?”

“Baker Act!”

“Aw c’mon, that’s bullshit! Where did this come from?”

Pearl rolled his eyes skyward and replied, “All I can tell you is it comes straight from the top.”

Ozzy, Dominic, Carlos and Brad couldn’t believe I was in cuffs and being Baker Acted.

The judge and all the defendants feigned concern by asking Ozzy what happened that caused Pearl to involuntary commit his client. Wondering the same thing, Ozzy threw the question back at them. They all shrugged their shoulders, even going so far state they had nothing to do with it. The Judge asked Ozzy if his client (me) would be willing to continue the trial without being present. She recessed to give Ozzy time to contact me.

At about that time my Valuables and Personal Effects Inventory Sheets show that I had been stripped of my gun belt, holster and Fla. Weapons Permit It took all the restraint I could muster to silently sit there and watch Pearl and all the psych techs bending, twisting, squeezing, pushing and pawing at my Sparks Belt and I-Bak holster.

With thermometer in mouth, cuff wrapped around my arm and pulse being taken, Mr. Pearl dangled the holster. Grinning, pearl said, “I told you to lose it.”

It was right about then the nurse told me my blood pressure and heart rate was high.

I had the choice of calling for a mistrial or having Osborne continue without me.

I could be committed for up to 72 hrs before a psych exam determined whether or not I met the criteria for permanent involuntary placement. This did not include weekends and, since I was committed on a Wednesday, it could be six days before I even saw a shrink. If I chose to continue and it turned out the defendants bought the shrink off, I would surely lose my trial. If I chose a mistrial, it could take another year before a new trial date was set.

I gambled on getting out the next morning and had Ozzy continue without me. Brad, Dominic and Carlos knew the criteria for a Baker Act was that it had to appear my recent behavior would cause serious bodily harm to myself or others in the near future. They worked furiously to establish what that behavior was.

Later that afternoon we finally got the Orange County Sheriffs Office Incident report and Report of LEO Initiating Involuntary Examination. We were absolutely stunned to find; a) Alan Pearl initiated the complaint, and b) it was based on my court testimony which is not consistent at all with what Pearl bases his complaint on, and, c) it’s incredulous that Pearl initiated this all on his own.

I’ll continue posting the remaining psych and court documents tomorrow, but for now I’d like to know if it was you, would you just leave the gun or the entire rig behind before entering restricted areas?

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:01:36 PM EDT
Damn. Quite the story.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:03:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FBI:
As I was jerked and patted (interpret that loosely) someone grabbed my testicals and shouted, “Where’s the gun?” I was in pain but never once did I resist.



You were sexually assaulted. File charges against all parties involved.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:05:48 PM EDT
it's your right to wear the holster.

odds are, they were going to use it to their advantage regardless as to whether or not you continued to wear it.

it may be seen as "bowing down" by some, but if my council asked me not to wear the holster...I'd remove it.

hopefully your representation can use this involuntary commitment to your advantage. Although a jury has at this point has already been tainted.

good luck to you...I hope everything works out
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:05:58 PM EDT
Tag. That is all.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:05:59 PM EDT
Can I ask what purpose an empty holster serves?

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:06:14 PM EDT
Sometimes people are their own worst enemy.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:06:22 PM EDT
It is a sad state of affairs that we have devolved into a culture where the IMAGE of a firearm is acted upon as though it was functional weapon.

We've entered the express elevator to Hell phase when a PIECE OF COWHIDE SHAPED IN A PARTICULAR WAY is now equated and responded to as though the wearer possesses the non-existent firearm and is 2 seconds away from performing criminal acts with said non-existent firearm.

While you've set yourself up for a personal Hell by your actions I can't help but stand in awe of someone that puts common sense and principal above personal hardship.

I hope when this is all said and done those that have acted in this childish and reckless manner are bleeding from new assholes that have been torn in their worthless hides.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:07:19 PM EDT
I would loose the holster, but I understand your anger. In this area a man who was on probation was arrested outside the courthouse because he was pruning a few of the bushes. He is a landscaper and he was waiting for his brother to get out of a traffic case, a bailiff saw him "destroying county property" and he was put into jail to serve the remainder of his 2 year probation. I know this because my step father is his attorney. The whole thing was seemingly because he was obviously gay and the Judge did not like him. So I would raise hell about being detained but I would also loose the holster.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:08:17 PM EDT
So that you can reholster your weapon.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:08:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By qwijibo:

Originally Posted By FBI:
As I was jerked and patted (interpret that loosely) someone grabbed my testicals and shouted, “Where’s the gun?” I was in pain but never once did I resist.



You were sexually assaulted. File charges against all parties involved.



No he wasn't.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:09:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 1:13:08 PM EDT by jpman7]
Yea, for being stubborn! You could've just left the holster off and they would have had to look alot harder to hassle you.

Edit to add: You're also going to lose your lawsuit. Not because you don't deserve it or can't prove it. But you played right into their hands and now the jury will see you the way they want you portrayed. Sorry.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:09:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 1:11:21 PM EDT by Bama-Shooter]

Originally Posted By FBI:
So that you can reholster your weapon.



While I agree it should not matter about you wearing an empty holster.

You put bravdo before rational thinking.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:09:51 PM EDT
Now it become even more of a point to wear it, only in a way that is slightly more obvious.

But I do tend to learn some things the hard way, because of a certain trait I have.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:10:18 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:11:44 PM EDT
I think the headache caused by this is not worth continuing to wear it or anything like that. Just askin for trouble...
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:12:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Gloftoe:
Me? I'd wear the holster. There's NO law ANYWHERE (that I can think of) that says you can't wear a piece of leather.

I'd also prepare to sue the shit out of the baliff, judge, and anyone else that's persecuting you over this stupid issue.



The Judge has immunity and would think so would the baliff.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:13:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FBI:
So that you can reholster your weapon.



I'll assume this is in reply to my question.

Your answer begs another question though.....if you don't have the weapon, why do you need the holster?

I respect you for standing for your principles, but it seems to me that this whole thing could have been avoided by taking off the holster when you take off the gun. Wearing an OWB holster in a public place, let alone a court house, is asking for un-wanted attention IMO.

I see no logic in wearing an empty holster unless you're trying to advertise the fact that you carry.
If that's the case, and I hope it's not, bear in mind that it's called "Concealed Carry" for a reason.

Best of luck to you as it seems you've got a long hard row to hoe.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:14:02 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:14:16 PM EDT
uh... lawsuit?!?
Matt
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:19:21 PM EDT
Sounds like a bunch of egomaniacs on all sides.

You were unwilling to compromise to your standards, they were unwilling to compromise to theirs. Problem is they were in a position where they think that might makes right and they could force their will on you regardless.

I'll go so far as to say you were in the right morally and ethically speaking. They were in the wrong and deserve to rot in hell for wanting to play fuck fuck games to such an extreme level.


In the end, knowing when to cut your losses is a valuable asset.

Hopefully everything turns out well and your attorneys were able to get a large settlement out of this that taught every one of those assholes a lesson.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:20:03 PM EDT
Boy you showed them
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:22:34 PM EDT
tag.

lawsuit time.

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:22:36 PM EDT
If your local authorities are corrupt and abusing your civil rights, bring in the FBI to step on their peckers.

On what grounds did he get the 72 hour hold? That has to be signed by a judge and they have to have ironclad cause.

Something is missing here. If not, I'd have Pearl's ass for lunch.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:23:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

Originally Posted By FBI:
So that you can reholster your weapon.



While I agree it should not matter about you wearing an empty holster.

You put bravdo before rational thinking.



Just because it is legal to do something doesn't mean that it's not an incredibly stupid thing to do.

When there are (as you say) powerful people out to hurt you, the last thing you do is hand them a club.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:23:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ironoxbows:

Originally Posted By FBI:
So that you can reholster your weapon.



I'll assume this is in reply to my question.

Your answer begs another question though.....if you don't have the weapon, why do you need the holster?

I respect you for standing for your principles, but it seems to me that this whole thing could have been avoided by taking off the holster when you take off the gun. Wearing an OWB holster in a public place, let alone a court house, is asking for un-wanted attention IMO.

I see no logic in wearing an empty holster unless you're trying to advertise the fact that you carry.
If that's the case, and I hope it's not, bear in mind that it's called "Concealed Carry" for a reason.

Best of luck to you as it seems you've got a long hard row to hoe.



First red hilite.....what does that matter? Its a piece of leather. If what belongs in there isn't how can anyone force you to remove it? Its ridiculous....

Second...Why is that, is someone afraid that you might attempt assault with a deadly piece of cowhide?

If this is entirely true as written...it seem to me some people need a serious ass kickin, and a reminder that this isn't Soviet Russia.

Man, this should seriously piss people off. How can you be arrested for wearing an empty holster...show me some statute, law something that says wearing an EMPTY holster is reason to arrest and throw in a loony bin.....

Scumbags....
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:23:57 PM EDT
Talk about bad timing....I just sold my Arfcom hip waders on the EE.



Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:24:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:

The Judge has immunity and would think so would the baliff.



If it could be proven that the Judge agreed with Baker Acting him as retribution for wearing the holster.....

Sue in Federal Court for violation of civil rights......they don't have immunity for that do they?
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:26:01 PM EDT
The old bull and the young bull were standing on top of the hill, looking down at a herd of cows. The young bull says, "Hey dad, let's run down there and screw one of them cows."

The old bull says, "no, son, lets walk down there and screw them all."

Moral of the story: Lose the cowhide, win the trial, put the cowhide back on. You have been maneuvered let them maneuver you into a position where court, bailiff, plaintiff, and plaintiff's counsel can fuck with you -- potentially costing you the trial.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:26:59 PM EDT
After trying to click on his links, they seem bogus....spidey BS sense tingling....
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:27:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 1:28:29 PM EDT by tz99]
links are to messages inside a Gmail account so can't be visible.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:27:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FBI:
So that you can reholster your weapon.





Originally Posted By ironoxbows:
I'll assume this is in reply to my question.



Yes it was.


Originally Posted By ironoxbows:
Your answer begs another question though.....if you don't have the weapon, why do you need the holster?



To holster my weapon after I leave the court house.


Originally Posted By ironoxbows:
I respect you for standing for your principles, but it seems to me that this whole thing could have been avoided by taking off the holster when you take off the gun.



Remember my original post? The slots are a 16th narrower than the belt. A real bitch to get on and off.


Originally Posted By ironoxbows:
Wearing an OWB holster in a public place, let alone a court house, is asking for un-wanted attention IMO.



My holster is ALWAYS concealed.

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:28:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FBI:
My lawyers, Bill Osborne-Lead Counsel, Brad Conway, Dominic Sagorski and Carlos Carrillo, explained that “poisoning the well” was one of the legal tactics used against litigating opponents. The defendants had created a “holster spin” that was causing much angst and anxiety. Ozzy, Dom, Brad and Carlos all asked that I no longer wear my holster into the courthouse.

This was an unacceptable request.





Perhaps you should have listened to your lawyers in the first place.

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:28:30 PM EDT
I'm really glad this wasn't a thread about adult circumcision.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:29:44 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:29:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pzjgr:
After trying to click on his links, they seem bogus....spidey BS sense tingling....



After going back and rereading it......it is awfully far out there for sure.

FBI, if you made that whole story up....you got a hell of a imagination. So i guess I will believe for now.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:30:08 PM EDT


While Im not in the middle of any lawsuit, trya dn stay as far away from anything offical related, I can relate.

On those rare times I dont wear a gun, I Still have my holster on. Its really tight on my belt, and it goes on my belt. Gun or no gun, I have my holster.


Good luck on your suit, if the judge is looking at you funny I think your pissing uphill and into the wind. They are human and if they have already had you commited as a fruitcake, you will be lucky to ever be able to legally own a gun again.






I hope I never get into anything like that ever. Good luck.

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:30:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 1:33:29 PM EDT by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By topknot:

On what grounds did he get the 72 hour hold? That has to be signed by a judge and they have to have ironclad cause.




This is the part that makes me wonder how much more there is to this story, and what past history FBI might have - in terms of any past mental disorder, psychiatric treatment, medication, etc. (obviously, he's never been committed, because he wouldn't have a CCW permit). Not saying I think he's craxy - but just curious, because the story is so odd.

Wearing an empty holster in a courtroom sure doesn't sound like something that somone coudl use to threaten an involntary commitment to the loony bin with.

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:31:23 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:32:26 PM EDT
I wonder what Rev. Jackson thinks about this, oh wait civil rights only apply to African Americans and foreign terrorists.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:32:29 PM EDT
I dont believe some of the replies. Even gun owners are down on him because he had a HOLSTER on and he was ASKING for trouble. He has the RIGHT to bear arms and even supposed Pro-Gunners are on him about a HOLSTER, and an EMPTY one at that.

No wonder we have progressivly lost our rights, we are our own enemy
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:32:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 1:37:02 PM EDT by ErinMT]
Question answered in above post, damn this thing grew fast!
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:34:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 1:34:59 PM EDT by garandman]

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
I dont believe some of the replies. Even gun owners are down on him because he had a HOLSTER on and he was ASKING for trouble. He has the RIGHT to bear arms and even supposed Pro-Gunners are on him about a HOLSTER, and an EMPTY one at that.

No wonder we have progressivly lost our rights, we are our own enemy



Some hills aren't worth dying on.

He has already surrendered his RKBA by voluntarily entering the courthouse.

There is no RKBLeather.

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:35:54 PM EDT
No, I would definately NOT lose my holster.

Sue the living fuck out of them.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:36:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
I dont believe some of the replies. Even gun owners are down on him because he had a HOLSTER on and he was ASKING for trouble. He has the RIGHT to bear arms and even supposed Pro-Gunners are on him about a HOLSTER, and an EMPTY one at that.



I don't see it as about "rights" I see it as ignoring the advice of his lawyers, and deliberately being provocative in a situation where subtlety is called for. His goal here was clearly to WIN his court case, and he chose to jepoardize that.

If I went to court to sue somone, I would also have the "right" to dress in drag, with heavy makeup, and affect a high-pitched Hispanic accent - but despite exercising my 1st amendemnt rights, I doubt that people here would applaud it as a SMART decision.

Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:36:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
I dont believe some of the replies. Even gun owners are down on him because he had a HOLSTER on and he was ASKING for trouble. He has the RIGHT to bear arms and even supposed Pro-Gunners are on him about a HOLSTER, and an EMPTY one at that.

No wonder we have progressivly lost our rights, we are our own enemy



Some hills aren't worth dying on.

He has already surrendered his RKBA by voluntarily entering the courthouse.

There is no RKBLeather.




Yeah, but the big question, is where is it said you CAN"T wear an empty holster, I mean, an emoty holster is just that, an empty piece of shaped cowhide.

How can that be construed as a threat, and why should anyone be forced to remove it?
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:37:08 PM EDT
While it's admirable to stick to your principles, it probably wasn't wise to stick to this principle in this situation.

Also, are those links you posted to something in your personal email account?
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:37:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tz99:
links are to messages inside a Gmail account so can't be visible.



You're right, sorry. I'll post the docs to my web page shortly and the liks should work.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:38:00 PM EDT
FBI, your links to your documents dont work man.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:39:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pzjgr:

First red hilite.....what does that matter? Its a piece of leather. If what belongs in there isn't how can anyone force you to remove it? Its ridiculous....

Second...Why is that, is someone afraid that you might attempt assault with a deadly piece of cowhide?

If this is entirely true as written...it seem to me some people need a serious ass kickin, and a reminder that this isn't Soviet Russia.

Man, this should seriously piss people off. How can you be arrested for wearing an empty holster...show me some statute, law something that says wearing an EMPTY holster is reason to arrest and throw in a loony bin.....

Scumbags....



You're right pjz, it IS ridiculous, but it happened.

Someone once told me "no one can FORCE you to do anything, they can, however, make you pay consequences so that it's to you advantage to do certain things"

Now, don't you think that once you started attracting the attention this guy was drawing (getting wanded and patted down at the door, multiple ballifs where there was once only 1, the stares and rumors), don't you think you would have changed your habits before things took a turn for the worse?
His own post states

Pearl and I have history because throughout the years he has told me, “you better lose the holster".


Hell, his lawyers told him to take it off and he still refused. He was both asked and warned and still wore his holster.

You guys that say he didn't do anything wrong are right. Legally, he didn't.
But he's still fucked....and it's a fuckin' he could have avoided.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 1:39:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By garandman:

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
I dont believe some of the replies. Even gun owners are down on him because he had a HOLSTER on and he was ASKING for trouble. He has the RIGHT to bear arms and even supposed Pro-Gunners are on him about a HOLSTER, and an EMPTY one at that.

No wonder we have progressivly lost our rights, we are our own enemy



Some hills aren't worth dying on.

He has already surrendered his RKBA by voluntarily entering the courthouse.

There is no RKBLeather.




There is no Law against it either.

I ALWAYS stand on my principles, even if they cause me grief. Id rather go down fighting on principle than take the easy way out and compromise, even on a holster.
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