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Posted: 2/7/2006 11:02:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 11:10:27 AM EDT by pathfinder74]
For whatever reason, you have to live in any other country. Where would you go?

I'm wondering, is Switzerland a good option, or is it hard to become a citizen there or something?
Seems like they are one of those countries nobody really screws with and AFAIK the gun laws are pretty decent there.

Gun politics in Switzerland
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 11:04:26 AM EDT
Mexico .
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Japan. I speak fluent Japanese, so it would be an easy transition.
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Isreal
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New Zealand.
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Norway. For the babes.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 11:06:17 AM EDT
Since I don't speak a word of Swiss-ese...

1) Croatia. (They have gun laws, but enough corruption that you can just bribe your local CLEO and have what you want. )

2) UK. No guns, but at least I sorta speak their savage language.

3) Canada. See #2.

4) Mexico. Not sure about guns, but the place is a blast.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 11:07:04 AM EDT
I am saving up for my own island where NFA rules do not apply.
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[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 11:09:50 AM EDT by macman37]
Victoria, BC, Canada. Beautiful, temperate, and I speak Canadese.

Victoria was the last stop on our Alaskan cruise a few years ago. I didn't expect a whole lot but was bowled over when we boarded the ship that evening. I had a ton of fun there.

Edit: I'd consider Switzerland as a fallback, I would pick up German (well, more than just the naughty words) and could fit in pretty good if needed.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 11:10:06 AM EDT
Definately Switzerland
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New Zealand.

Gun laws suck, but damn that place is pretty.
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Switzerland
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Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
New Zealand.

Gun laws suck, but damn that place is pretty.



My understanding is that there is very little crime. It's out of the way and not much of a target.

And Beautiful!
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 11:18:04 AM EDT
Canada
Australia
Germany (I could pick the German back up pretty quick)
New Zealand
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Finland
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Link Posted: 2/7/2006 11:22:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WeeBeastyKillr:
Definately Switzerland



After reading this I'm not sure it'd be my first choice based on the gun laws. Seems like a really nice place in terms of geography and such. The neutrality and being issued a Sig 550 to keep at the house (and keep for life is wanted) seems pretty cool. But the whole gun owning/buying permit thing seems like it might suck. Plus this...


These rules will be changed — presumably in 2008 — because Switzerland will be joining the Schengen treaty; and all member countries must adapt some of their laws to a common standard. Following the draft of the Swiss government for the new Waffengesetz (weapons law), these points will change:

- unlawful possession of guns will be punished (today you won't be punished if you possess a gun for which you never received a buying permit)
- gun trade among individuals will require a valid buying permit (under today's law, even people with a criminal record still can trade guns)
- every gun must be marked with a registered serial number
- soft air guns and imitations of real guns will also be governed by the new law



Finland sounds similar to Switzerland in terms of licensing and all. This part stands out as a perk though...


Sound suppressors, a firearm accessory strictly regulated in many other jurisdictions, are also available in Finland. Their use is not regulated. Their use can be considered to reduce the noise pollution that firearms otherwise produce, although this is not a serious problem, since most ranges are located in remote locations. They also remove the need to use hearing protection while shooting. Silencers are not a major topic in Finnish gun control debates as they are almost never used in crimes.


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Two countries that I have ancestral ties to wouldn't be unlivable. Ireland and Poland, both of which aren't exactly in the spotlight when it comes to Politics and/or the War On Terror. Yet both countries are un-Eurpoean enough to have troops in Iraq and/or Afghanistan and not whine/blame America for the state of the world.

Germany is the other ancestral country, but I'm not feeling the need to care for it as much as the other two.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 11:27:16 AM EDT
Switzerland without a doubt.

Heck, I'm almost half tempted to live there even though I CAN live in the US.
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antartica, no laws
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THAILAND !!mmmmmmmm 5 foot, 90lb spinners.

me love you long time
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Canada

Philippines

Australia
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what are the gun laws in poland like?
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Thailand or Denmark with Kikis coming in as 3rd choice
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Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
what are the gun laws in poland like?



pro-american=good times, unsure on gun laws
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I'm thinking New Zealand or maybe Australia, but their gun laws suck ass. Switzerland would be pretty cool too.
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I would rather Die than not live in the Good Old USA
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Panama
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Originally Posted By WyattEarp:
Panama



Thanks, now I have that song stuck in my head.
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[Last Edit: 2/7/2006 12:00:28 PM EDT by vito113]
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Stockholm for the wimmenz
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Texas, Israel, Switzerland.
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Canada

or some 2nd or 3rd world place I can make my onw CityState thingy
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Italy
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Amsterdam!


Actually I would prefer Canada. Gun laws suck, but it looks like the country is heading in the right direction with the new Conservative goverment and Vancouver is pretty nice.
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Israel. I loved it on a visit back in the 80s. If they only would stop shooting each other in that part of the world.
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Originally Posted By stormwalker:
THAILAND !!mmmmmmmm 5 foot, 90lb spinners.

me love you long time


Yeah, not too bad of a place, plenty of nice beaches, pleasant weather in the winter, can fly somewhere else for the scorching hot summer. Downsides are the malaria risks and all of the sexpats.

I'm thinking about dividing my time between Pattaya in winter and Ukraine in summer, if I can find a job in Ukraine that will let me work from home.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 12:13:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gus:

Originally Posted By mjohn3006:
New Zealand.

Gun laws suck, but damn that place is pretty.



My understanding is that there is very little crime. It's out of the way and not much of a target.

And Beautiful!


+1
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 12:13:51 PM EDT
I thought the question was about what State in America I would live in if I were to move. Since I live in Florida, the gun laws and tax structure is pretty hard to beat, but maybe North Carolina, Vermont or Texas or Arizona. Never Kalifornia or New Yawk.

As far as other countries, I never really gave it much thought. Austria, Germany, seem decent. I don't like the UK tax or gun laws, but a wonderful place to live otherwise. France, Italy or Spain... eh, doesn't really appeal to me. Monaco would be cool, but only if I had the financial resources to support living there.

However, my first and only choice is THE GOOD OLD U.S. of A!!!
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Originally Posted By MRW:
Israel or Switzerland.

A people armed to the teeth are not easily enslaved.



Do some checking only the active police and military are well armed in Israel.
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Republic of Texas
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France.

They actually have very accomocating gun laws.
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Sweden
Iceland
Finland
Norway
Gre­enland
Poland
Russia (Siberia in particular - lots of open space)
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 12:32:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TomJefferson:

Originally Posted By V-Rod:

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
what are the gun laws in poland like?



pro-american=good times, unsure on gun laws



I travel to Poland. In the regards to guns, its a strange country. They technically have very strict gunlaws with requirements on who buys and how you keep them. Reality is you can buy a tank in the black market if you want it.

Technically they are a very socialist government. That is if you want it. Those that do have all kinds of benifits such as housing, medical, etc. Those that don't ignore travel restrictions, move where they want to, and work where they want to. Poles have a very distinct and acurate picture of what is right or wrong. They for the most part all try to live right. You can see this in the total lack of traffic control in the larger cities yet traffic moves far better than western countries. They simply do what's right.

I mention this last part cause its really important in understanding them. Decades of oppression under the USSR backed communist has created both a dependency on socialism and yet a total disregard for it at the same time. They feel about the same way about gun control.

An interesting perspective on the Polish people is how they feel about about terrorism. The concept is really apalling to them unfortunately so is war. Like everything in their country there is a dualism to it. The average Pole I have talked to doesn't own a gun. He's not violent anti-gun and could care less that you owned one as long as you didn't shoot anyone. Government, they choose to embrace or ignore. Its different than the rest of Europe by a longshot.

As for a place to live, they do indeed really like Americans. Their fathers see us as their liberators helping them throw off the yoke of communist oppression. Many speak English especially the younger people. They go out of their way to talk to Americans but not quite so willing with the English.

The countryside like everything else in Poland has a dual aspect to it. Its a mix of the older gray communist buildings and the brand new western structures. Its an odd mix. You can go crazy trying to figure out what kind of car that is and what country it came from. I think Poles pride themselves on being the only person to drive that make of car. Its part of their individualism. They're all little cars but they drive like hell. Every now and then you will see a Jeep and even saw a Dodge fullsize pickup which really stood out amongst all those small cars but for the most part they drive European cars. The cost of living is quite low but then so is the pay scale. The basic rounded off exchange rate is 3 zolty to the dollar. Now when you consider a four star dinner is 21 zolty, who what a bargain in US dollars. They have great places to eat out but I wonder how they stay in business for during the week typically it isn't busy at all.

There are many things that Poland is distinctly European. They like a clean city for example and trash or litering not acceptable, back to doing what is right. The coffee is very European dark and black. They are alot more loose when it comes to partying. Poles enjoy a good time. Where European businessmen will drink their faces shitless but keep this cool deamenor and talk business a Pole is ready dance and won't drink as much.

The food has a very distinctive Polish twist to it or eastern European. They eat alot of pork cooked a million different ways. Breakfast is a big meal with cold cuts on different breads followed by suasages and eggs. Lunch is light usually cold cuts on small slices of bread. Dinner is pretty much like here but sour cream soup and borch are a mainstay. Italian soup is sour cream with croutons.

Above it all is this sense of what's right. The people are some of most polite I have ever been around. Jing Dobry or "Good day" is a way of life.

I can think of far worse places to live than Poland.

Tj



Sounds like a place I would really enjoy to visit... any suggestions?
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 12:34:35 PM EDT
Easy....Switzerland. You get your own take home SIG, ammo, and skis! How the hell can you beat that!
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