the other thread about campus police reminded me of an encounter i had several months ago.

as i was walking around my campus with some friends one night, a cop car pulled up next to us.  the cop got out and demanded to see IDs from everyone.  we asked why we were being IDed, we weren't doing anything wrong and were just walking down the sidewalk minding our own businesses.

his response was "well i just wanted to get to know your names and faces in case i see you making trouble later."



so me and my friends were like that's BS but we're not gonna argue with the cop on this one

what would have happened if i didn't have ID on me, or had refused to show it?  i'm pretty sure that now showing ID (when not driving) isn't against the law, but could I have been kicked off campus?  What if the school had a rule requiring having school ID at all times, is the public police officer allowed to enforce the school's private rule?

State laws give various authority to campus police or security.

It usually varies from private to public

Obviously it varies, but I know that in Cali most campus police are also State Police (indeed, local city police are also State Police)...so yeah, they're real cops.

As to ID, there was some SC decision a few years back stating that you are legall obliged to identify yourself to an officer.  That doesn't mean you have to carry your 'papers' around with you.

Buddy of mine pissed off an officer one night way back when while skateboarding with some buddies, basicly trespassing.  They were all being ticketed and he hadn't brought ID with him.  Officer wouldn't believe that his middle name was Elvin.  

Quoted: the other thread about campus police reminded me of an encounter i had several months ago. as i was walking around my campus with some friends one night, a cop car pulled up next to us.  the cop got out and demanded to see IDs from everyone.  we asked why we were being IDed, we weren't doing anything wrong and were just walking down the sidewalk minding our own businesses. his response was "well i just wanted to get to know your names and faces in case i see you making trouble later." so me and my friends were like that's BS but we're not gonna argue with the cop on this one what would have happened if i didn't have ID on me, or had refused to show it?  i'm pretty sure that now showing ID (when not driving) isn't against the law, but could I have been kicked off campus?  What if the school had a rule requiring having school ID at all times, is the public police officer allowed to enforce the school's private rule?

Was this CUPD or Ithaca PD?

just for clarification, are you required to show ID if a cop asks you to while in a public place?  i know you have to show ID while driving, but while walking around?  I know plenty of people who never bothered to get their drivers licence and have no form of gov't id other than birth certificate and SS card (and no one carries those around al lthe time)

Quoted: Quoted: the other thread about campus police reminded me of an encounter i had several months ago. as i was walking around my campus with some friends one night, a cop car pulled up next to us.  the cop got out and demanded to see IDs from everyone.  we asked why we were being IDed, we weren't doing anything wrong and were just walking down the sidewalk minding our own businesses. his response was "well i just wanted to get to know your names and faces in case i see you making trouble later." so me and my friends were like that's BS but we're not gonna argue with the cop on this one what would have happened if i didn't have ID on me, or had refused to show it?  i'm pretty sure that now showing ID (when not driving) isn't against the law, but could I have been kicked off campus?  What if the school had a rule requiring having school ID at all times, is the public police officer allowed to enforce the school's private rule? Was this CUPD or Ithaca PD?

CUPD

Quoted: i'm pretty sure that now showing ID (when not driving) isn't against the law, but could I have been kicked off campus?  What if the school had a rule requiring having school ID at all times, is the public police officer allowed to enforce the school's private rule?

If you were a student there, then you have most likely been issued a copy of the student code of conduct, or have a way to access it on Bear Access. If they have a "rule" you are expected to follow, it will most likely be spelled out there.

Cops can't stop you without "reasonable suspicion."

WOW, Sorry I missed the first thread on Campus Police.

My freshman year I had several encounters with the PD, not due to my actions but because of my being at frat parties etc.

One time I was almost pass out drunk with 3 friends, who were both sober.  We got stopped by the Campus PD enroute to my buddies car.  He had had several run ins with the Campus PD before so they knew his face however he was stone cold sober, unlike myself.  What happens next shocked me.  A campus PD pulled up, asked for our student IDs, called all four of us in and then questioned Kent, the guy who had many run ins, for about 5-6 mins, nothing harassing or out of the ordinary just kinda seein if he had calmed down after the start of freshman year, well...kent got lippy and the cop gave him some citation for being under the influance or public drunkeness, all while my drunk ass stood there and wobbled back and forth, my goal during all this was to stay on my feet.  In the end Kent got referred to the dead of student life and I went home and passed out. Unreal.

Another time, freshman year, I "borrowed" some of the blinking road barriers/saw horses from a construction, they were clearly stamped "if stolen or found please call XXX-XXXX-XXXX to report, it is a crime to steal these etc."  This was spray painted/stenciled on each blinking light thing (I cant think of the name now).  Anyways I pull into the parking lot and low and behold theres a campus PD in the explorer with his lights off, he drives right up and says hey guys how ya doin. we say, fine, he notices we were going to unpack something from the truck bed but I had yet to lift my topper off.  He asks if he can look in, at the time, I didnt know I could refuse?  but I said sure...thinking I was going to get a fine or soemthing for having these in my possessition (They were going to be used at a party...I wasnt just having them to have them...)  Anyways he looks in, clearly sees 3 or 4 orange blinkie lights and shines his flash light right over the warning about "if stolen..." spray painted on each, turns to me and goes, "How do you like the truck?"  Again...I was shocked.


Where I went to undergrad, I would have to say, I found the campus police only good at giving out alot of parking tickets or booting cars, beyond they liked to harass the frats (glad I wasnt in one) and closed down at least a house a year.

The way it works on my campus, is anyone on any campus property can be challenged for identification. We don't normally do this unless you are found in a restricted area or are acting in a suspicious manner, and that can be anything it depends on the officer.

I don't know why this other ULEO had to be shitty to you about it, normally I first ask the person if they are a student or employee and explain to them that because of security reason I would like to see there identification. I can most times get a feel for what there reason is on campus just by there response at that point. Most have a perfectly good reason to be where they are, anything from late night research to just taking a walk, fine with me. I do however have the legal right to escort a non student or employee off campus if they fail to cooperate or produce ID. I have yet to ever arrest someone for failure to leave other than at the stadium during games.

Collage campuses are great for attracting every walk of life, good, bad and ugly, we also have things on campus that in the wrong hands could be rather detrimental life in general. Part of keeping those items safe is knowing who is in your "environment"

Campus police  at my community college in California don't carry guns, they only have batons and pepper sray.  They had a vote on it and the staff said no way. The students weren't very enthusiastic either.  

All they really seem to do is give parking tickets (plenty of money is made from these, there are tons of idiots at this school).  There's this really fat officer who drives this strange miniature vehicle to the top of the campus whenever he wants lunch (police station is at bottom and campus is like 150 feet up on a hill.  The only time I ever saw one called for something was when some girl in my math class started making weird noises and violently vomiting during a test.  He came and helped her until the paramedics arrived, and I was impressed how friendly he was.  Overall, they seem to be friendly people.  I guess I'm lucky.

My campus is actually kind of strange.  I can basically go in any of the staff areas and nobody even asks me why.  It's like they don't even notice.  I have gone into the staff mail room and nobody even looked twice.  There area also some strange doors with keypads on them, soon I will find out how to get in them.

There is the CUTEST campus cop at my local community college.....I make trouble/ask questions/do whatever every chance I get when she's around....she's got the winningest smile.

I think they can get away with demanding to "see your papers" without probable cause because they can claim they are checking to see if you  belong on campus.  

Quoted: the other thread about campus police reminded me of an encounter i had several months ago. as i was walking around my campus with some friends one night, a cop car pulled up next to us.  the cop got out and demanded to see IDs from everyone.  we asked why we were being IDed, we weren't doing anything wrong and were just walking down the sidewalk minding our own businesses. his response was "well i just wanted to get to know your names and faces in case i see you making trouble later." so me and my friends were like that's BS but we're not gonna argue with the cop on this one what would have happened if i didn't have ID on me, or had refused to show it?  i'm pretty sure that now showing ID (when not driving) isn't against the law, but could I have been kicked off campus?  What if the school had a rule requiring having school ID at all times, is the public police officer allowed to enforce the school's private rule?

If you are on campus, you are on private property. The campus police officers, or indeed ANY person who works at the campus has the right to ask you for your student identification and you must present said identification according to the regulations of most colleges and universities. Failing to comply can have you removed from the property for trespassing.

So if you were on campus grounds, the police officer was well within his rights to ask you for your ID. The police officer is a sworn officer, but he also has the right to enforce campus policies, especially those you agree to by virtue of agreeing to be a student at the university.

Quoted: Cops can't stop you without "reasonable suspicion."

On campus grounds and on university owned property, they don't need "reasonable suspicion". They can stop you for any reason they would like.

Quoted: In the end Kent got referred to the dead of student life and I went home and passed out. Unreal.

You will have to check the student handbook to verify this, but your buddy most likely could have been referred to the dean for his first violation if the officer chose to do so.

A good reason not to get lippy with the cops. A good attitude will get you a lot more breaks than getting mouthy with them will.

Anyways he looks in, clearly sees 3 or 4 orange blinkie lights and shines his flash light right over the warning about "if stolen..." spray painted on each, turns to me and goes, "How do you like the truck?"  Again...I was shocked.

What did you expect him to do? Beat you upside the head with his ASP???

He was using his DISCRETION. Odds are theft of that equipment could seriously have messed up your criminal record. Stealing some of that stuff is an automatic FELONY. Kids at colleges around here were fond of stealing stop signs, which can get them charged with MANSLAUGHTER if there is an accident.

Officers usually give out warnings and take the signs never reporting the student they took them off of.

While the officer COULD have arrested you, he didn't. Are you upset because he took pity on your youthful stupidity and let you slide??

Where I went to undergrad, I would have to say, I found the campus police only good at giving out alot of parking tickets or booting cars, beyond they liked to harass the frats (glad I wasnt in one) and closed down at least a house a year.

The cops don't "harass" the frats.

If you had any idea of the number of sexual assault claims, noise complaints, student complaints, and various other things that happen around frat parties, you would see that having only one shut down a year is a sign of great restraint by the campus PD.

Quoted: Campus police  at my community college in California don't carry guns, they only have batons and pepper sray.  They had a vote on it and the staff said no way. The students weren't very enthusiastic either.

Odds are that they are not actually police officers, but are security guards. Sworn police officers are armed while on duty.

My campus is actually kind of strange.  I can basically go in any of the staff areas and nobody even asks me why.  It's like they don't even notice.  I have gone into the staff mail room and nobody even looked twice.

That isn't strange. That's just how colleges work. People have stolen tens of thousands of dollars in equipment from colleges in broad daylight with hundreds of witnesses and nobody ever uttered a word. Why? Because everyone thought the thieves WORKED for the college.

There area also some strange doors with keypads on them, soon I will find out how to get in them.

Good way to get yourself a breaking and entering charge. Walking into staff areas isn't forbidden. Breaking into an area you are not authorized to access probably WILL get you charged.

Quoted:  In the end Kent got referred to the dead of student life

In my country, we call him the GOVENOR!!!!!  And the RAs are his Clique Mob!

Quoted: Quoted:  In the end Kent got referred to the dead of student life In my country, we call him the GOVENOR!!!!!  And the RAs are his Clique Mob!

Is every freshman issued an anus laptop?

Kharn

I work for ASU as a lowly computer technician, and as an employee of ASU, I have the ability to demand anyone's id on campus, I also have the ability to confiscate the id.  

Quoted: Quoted: Cops can't stop you without "reasonable suspicion." On campus grounds and on university owned property, they don't need "reasonable suspicion". They can stop you for any reason they would like.

OK, I think you are right..at least at private universities. I went to a state university where the campus police were actual police officers and the campus was public property. I got stuck thinking just about public universities.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cops can't stop you without "reasonable suspicion." On campus grounds and on university owned property, they don't need "reasonable suspicion". They can stop you for any reason they would like. OK, I think you are right..at least at private universities. I went to a state university where the campus police were actual police officers and the campus was public property. I got stuck thinking just about public universities.

Even state run universities are often considered "private property" for legal reasons. The exception would be the library, which must truly be "public" property in some jurisdictions, even at private universities.

The laws varry, but most state run colleges are considered to be private property as well. In such cases a sworn campus police officer has powers not ordinarily afforded officers in normal jurisdictions.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Cops can't stop you without "reasonable suspicion." On campus grounds and on university owned property, they don't need "reasonable suspicion". They can stop you for any reason they would like. OK, I think you are right..at least at private universities. I went to a state university where the campus police were actual police officers and the campus was public property. I got stuck thinking just about public universities.

This works even for public universities.  Like I said in my post above, I work for the University in the IT department, and I can stop anyone on campus for any reason and ask for id as can any other University employee, so I would guess that the campus police can and does stop people for any reason.

Universitys are private property. They can make any rules they want.

From what I've heard, most campuses pretty much make their own laws.  But if asked, I would show it that way you dont look guilty.

Quoted: I work for ASU as a lowly computer technician, and as an employee of ASU, I have the ability to demand anyone's id on campus, I also have the ability to confiscate the id.

I'd be real careful with that 'authority' if I were you.

I'm pretty familiar with ASU's rules, and I don't think you'd want to try that.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:  In the end Kent got referred to the dead of student life In my country, we call him the GOVENOR!!!!!  And the RAs are his Clique Mob! Is every freshman issued an anus laptop? Kharn

ah that darn DEAD of student life.....thats what i get for typing at 5 am...I meant dean, really!  


As per the blinke lights I borrowed, Im not upset he took pitty, glad he did, but I thought it was a comical story about how he started askin me about the new truck!  Thats all im sayin scheesh!

Quoted: Quoted: I work for ASU as a lowly computer technician, and as an employee of ASU, I have the ability to demand anyone's id on campus, I also have the ability to confiscate the id.   I'd be real careful with that 'authority' if I were you. I'm pretty familiar with ASU's rules, and I don't think you'd want to try that.

Oh, trust me, I never said it was a good idea, or I would ever do it, just that the rules are there.

The only time I would even consider this is if we caught some guy using a computer for illegal purposes, or viewing porn, then I would check to see if he was a student (but this is only becuase I  work at the computing sites) and I have never done it nor do I forsee the need to do it.  If he was a student, then I would have his name to put on our "not allowed back in" list, and if he wasn't a student, I would notify the ASU police that he is not welcome in our sites.  

Quoted: Quoted: the other thread about campus police reminded me of an encounter i had several months ago. as i was walking around my campus with some friends one night, a cop car pulled up next to us.  the cop got out and demanded to see IDs from everyone.  we asked why we were being IDed, we weren't doing anything wrong and were just walking down the sidewalk minding our own businesses. his response was "well i just wanted to get to know your names and faces in case i see you making trouble later." so me and my friends were like that's BS but we're not gonna argue with the cop on this one what would have happened if i didn't have ID on me, or had refused to show it?  i'm pretty sure that now showing ID (when not driving) isn't against the law, but could I have been kicked off campus?  What if the school had a rule requiring having school ID at all times, is the public police officer allowed to enforce the school's private rule? If you are on campus, you are on private property. The campus police officers, or indeed ANY person who works at the campus has the right to ask you for your student identification and you must present said identification according to the regulations of most colleges and universities. Failing to comply can have you removed from the property for trespassing. So if you were on campus grounds, the police officer was well within his rights to ask you for your ID. The police officer is a sworn officer, but he also has the right to enforce campus policies, especially those you agree to by virtue of agreeing to be a student at the university.

what if the student had forgotten to have his ID on him that night?  would he be escorted back to his room to find it and show it to the cop?  what if he had lost his ID, and hadn't gotten a replacement yet?  i don't see how a student could be kicked off campus in the middle of the night if they lived there.  

Quoted: what if the student had forgotten to have his ID on him that night?  would he be escorted back to his room to find it and show it to the cop?  what if he had lost his ID, and hadn't gotten a replacement yet?  i don't see how a student could be kicked off campus in the middle of the night if they lived there.

Given the size of the CU campus, how exactly are they going to "kick you off campus", especially if you live in one of the dorms there? Other than that, don't you need your ID to do just about anything on Cornell campus these days..meals, etc? Given that, aren't you a bit of a goof if you walk out the room without it?

Quoted: Quoted: what if the student had forgotten to have his ID on him that night?  would he be escorted back to his room to find it and show it to the cop?  what if he had lost his ID, and hadn't gotten a replacement yet?  i don't see how a student could be kicked off campus in the middle of the night if they lived there.   Given the size of the CU campus, how exactly are they going to "kick you off campus", especially if you live in one of the dorms there? Other than that, don't you need your ID to do just about anything on Cornell campus these days..meals, etc? Given that, aren't you a bit of a goof if you walk out the room without it?

meh, mistakes happen. I've forgotten my ID card a bunch of times. True, you can't get into your dorm or get meals (short of paying cash/CC), but it still happens.

Quoted: Well, they could kick you out of the dorms and make you live off campus. This has already happened to two of my hallmates. Also, mistakes happen. I've forgotten my ID card a bunch of times. True, you can't get into your dorm or get meals (short of paying cash/CC), but it still happens.

They aren't going to kick you out of the dorms ( as in a living space) for forgetting your ID card. Of course, if you don't belong in the building at all, they'll remove you.

Cornells been building too many new dorms to go kicking you out unless you are a problem student.

And I don't think thats what he means by kicking out anyways.

Quoted: what if the student had forgotten to have his ID on him that night?

Then the police officer can call back to the station who has access to all student records, including a photo and see if the person is who they say they are.

would he be escorted back to his room to find it and show it to the cop?

That can be done too.

what if he had lost his ID, and hadn't gotten a replacement yet?

Then he would still be on record with the department who issues student IDs.

i don't see how a student could be kicked off campus in the middle of the night if they lived there.

Students aren't kicked off campus. Non students are. Those who have no legitimate buisness on campus grounds are frequently escorted off campus.

works for me.  i was just confused about what kind of authority campus police usually have.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I work for ASU as a lowly computer technician, and as an employee of ASU, I have the ability to demand anyone's id on campus, I also have the ability to confiscate the id.   I'd be real careful with that 'authority' if I were you. I'm pretty familiar with ASU's rules, and I don't think you'd want to try that. Oh, trust me, I never said it was a good idea, or I would ever do it, just that the rules are there. The only time I would even consider this is if we caught some guy using a computer for illegal purposes, or viewing porn, then I would check to see if he was a student (but this is only becuase I  work at the computing sites) and I have never done it nor do I forsee the need to do it.  If he was a student, then I would have his name to put on our "not allowed back in" list, and if he wasn't a student, I would notify the ASU police that he is not welcome in our sites.

I am not a student there and I surfed Arfcom on an ASU computer!

I go to a private school, and we have some rent-a-cops around. They keep to themselves though, so we don't care. SpoPo has a substation on the corner of the campus, which is kind of nice--there might be SOMEONE with a gun around if UT-Austin Redux comes to Spokane.

Quoted: There is the CUTEST campus cop at my local community college.....I make trouble/ask questions/do whatever every chance I get when she's around....she's got the winningest smile.

How dreamy.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I work for ASU as a lowly computer technician, and as an employee of ASU, I have the ability to demand anyone's id on campus, I also have the ability to confiscate the id.   I'd be real careful with that 'authority' if I were you. I'm pretty familiar with ASU's rules, and I don't think you'd want to try that. Oh, trust me, I never said it was a good idea, or I would ever do it, just that the rules are there. The only time I would even consider this is if we caught some guy using a computer for illegal purposes, or viewing porn, then I would check to see if he was a student (but this is only becuase I  work at the computing sites) and I have never done it nor do I forsee the need to do it.  If he was a student, then I would have his name to put on our "not allowed back in" list, and if he wasn't a student, I would notify the ASU police that he is not welcome in our sites.   I am not a student there and I surfed Arfcom on an ASU computer!

As long as it wasn't porn, we don't care what website anyone goes to.

Which police academy do you drop out of to become a campus cop?  

Quoted: Which police academy do you drop out of to become a campus cop?

Quoted: Which police academy do you drop out of to become a campus cop?

Actually, for the school  in question for this thread, they go to the very same basic school as any other LE agency in the area. The only difference is that unless they graduate with a secondary employment in another LE agency, they receive only Peace Officer certification and not Police Officer certification because Cornell exerted its influence so it wouldn't lose its officers to other area agencies in inter-agency transfers.The Peace Officer limitation on the certificate means that any officer wishing to lateral to another agency would have to go through the basic school all over again.

tc556guy, I don't know if it's changed, but in my day Cornell University Public Safety Officers were deputized officers and had police officer status in NYS.  IIRC their badges used to say "Deputy Sheriff Cornell University".

Quoted: Quoted: Campus police  at my community college in California don't carry guns, they only have batons and pepper sray.  They had a vote on it and the staff said no way. The students weren't very enthusiastic either.   Odds are that they are not actually police officers, but are security guards. Sworn police officers are armed while on duty.

Wrong answer,  San Jose Park rangers ( sworn Kalifornia POs ) are not armed.

Here at MSU if we dont like something we just riot through East Lansing....

Quoted: tc556guy, I don't know if it's changed, but in my day Cornell University Public Safety Officers were deputized officers and had police officer status in NYS.  IIRC their badges used to say "Deputy Sheriff Cornell University".

The badges say that, but they aren't. Same with IC.The Sheriff DID used to deputize, but no longer. As I said, the University used its influence to change how their officers are certified. Now they have their own line in NYS law giving CUPD Peace Officer status. Rumor is it might swing back the other way, but who knows.

Quoted: Wrong answer,  San Jose Park rangers ( sworn Kalifornia POs ) are not armed.

While there are exceptions, the overwhelming majority of sworn police officers ARE armed.

That includes campus police. The vast majority who are sworn officers are armed. Most unarmed campus security people aren't sworn.

Nvrmind

Quoted: Quoted: tc556guy, I don't know if it's changed, but in my day Cornell University Public Safety Officers were deputized officers and had police officer status in NYS.  IIRC their badges used to say "Deputy Sheriff Cornell University". The badges say that, but they aren't. Same with IC.The Sheriff DID used to deputize, but no longer. As I said, the University used its influence to change how their officers are certified. Now they have their own line in NYS law giving CUPD Peace Officer status. Rumor is it might swing back the other way, but who knows.

I've gone straight to the horse's mouth on this one.  Hopefully, Dear Uncle Ezra will get to the bottom of this.

ASU police are Dept. of Public Safety, AZ's state police.

Quoted: I've gone straight to the horse's mouth on this one.  Hopefully, Dear Uncle Ezra will get to the bottom of this.

2.10 Persons designated as peace officers.
 Notwithstanding the provisions of any general, special or local law or
charter to the contrary, only the following persons shall have the
powers of, and shall be peace officers:

42. Special deputy sheriffs appointed by the sheriff of a county
within which any part of the grounds of Cornell university or the
grounds of any state institution constituting a part of the educational
and research plants owned or under the supervision, administration or
control of said university are located pursuant to section fifty-seven
hundred nine of the education law; provided, however, that nothing in
this subdivision shall be deemed to authorize such officer to carry,
possess, repair or dispose of a firearm unless the appropriate license
therefor has been issued pursuant to section 400.00 of the penal law.


http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/nycodes/c25/a4.html