Illegal guns come from college students

[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Illegal guns come from college students

Posted: 2/6/2006 5:20:31 PM EDT

HEY U., DROP GUNS

By BRAD HAMILTON

NYPost, February 5, 2006 -- The feds have a new target in their battle to block illegal guns from coming to New York: college kids in Georgia.

They say unthinking students in the Peach State — along with college kids in other states with lax gun laws — are the first step in supplying most black-market weapons to the city.

Students with clean records buy the guns legally, then sell them to traffickers for as little as $20 profit per firearm, investigators say.

Georgia alone supplied 10 percent of the guns used in crimes in New York in the first half of 2005, according to federal data.

But one woman is doing something about it.

Federal firearms agent Vanessa McLemore has launched a program to educate college students across the state about how the gun they sell to a friend or crooked dealer can kill a cop in the Big Apple.

McLemore, the head of Atlanta's field office of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, first cautioned students at Grambling against the practice — called "straw purchasing" — in 1998.

She's expanding the effort, training 11 field supervisors to visit every campus across Georgia with a scared-straight message.

"It will help reduce violent crime," said McLemore of her program.

McLemore, 47, warns underclassmen about dealers who might randomly approach them with offers of quick cash or drugs.

"Students don't realize the dangers that are involved or the implications," she said. "The gun they buy for someone else could be used to kill someone's 2-year-old or someone's mother. They tend to listen when they realize that they, too, can be prosecuted."

One straw purchaser, Kevin Winborn, of College Park, Ga., was sentenced to a year in prison last year after he and two pals bought 22 guns from a shop — three of which wound up in New York.

One of the biggest sales occurred at DeVry in Decatur, where five students were caught selling about 100 handguns that ended up in New Jersey in 1998.

The flow of student-supplied guns is "a huge issue," said former NYPD Commissioner Howard Safir. "That's the way most of the illegal guns come into the city."

U.S. Attorney Dave Nahmias of Atlanta said: "The straw purchasers are generally law-abiding citizens who think they're going to make a couple hundred bucks or just help out a friend."

Posted: 2/6/2006 5:44:09 PM EDT

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Federal firearms agent Vanessa McLemore has launched a program to educate college students across the state about how the gun they sell to a friend or crooked dealer can kill a cop in the Big Apple.

She thinks some college kid will have an epiphany over her BS?????

U.S. Attorney Dave Nahmias of Atlanta said: "The straw purchasers are generally law-abiding citizens who think they're going to make a couple hundred bucks or just help out a friend."

Bullshit. These "kids" know damn well what they're doing, same as the ones who deal drugs. They simply choose to do it. Bust their ass & throw them in jail, IMO.

Posted: 2/6/2006 5:46:34 PM EDT

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I saw this situation on Law and Order a few months back.

Posted: 2/6/2006 5:48:38 PM EDT

[#3]

Always somebody else's fault but the criminals in N.Y. or elsewhere in the north

Posted: 2/6/2006 5:50:11 PM EDT

[#4]

Cool, the New York Prison system is a great employer upstate. Fill it full of stupid college kids from Georgia.

Posted: 2/6/2006 5:50:50 PM EDT

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Always somebody else's fault but the criminals in N.Y. or elsewhere in the north

The criminals are from Georgia.

Posted: 2/6/2006 5:52:47 PM EDT

[#6]

where's that petition that's being circulated wanting NY to seccede?

Posted: 2/6/2006 5:53:46 PM EDT

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Always somebody else's fault but the criminals in N.Y. or elsewhere in the north

Roger that.

If New York can 'import' drugs and illegal immigrants from Mexico, why couldn't guns come from there as well. Even if you somehow eliminated guns 'originating' from other states, they would come in from Mexico. Supply And Demand 101. Fuck the idiot politicians in NYC.

Posted: 2/6/2006 5:54:32 PM EDT

[#8]

Anybody want to deal with the fact that NY gun laws are so screwed up that they have created this business opportunity? Not saying that these students should do this but NY should not have its head up it rear and make it near impossible for honest folks to get guns. Folks that want guns are going to get guns. End of story.

Posted: 2/6/2006 5:56:38 PM EDT

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Cool, the New York Prison system is a great employer upstate. Fill it full of stupid college kids from Georgia.

Because that of course will solve the problem of 'illegal' guns in NYC.

Posted: 2/6/2006 5:56:42 PM EDT

[#10]

Ban college. Do it for the college kids.

WTF is a federal firearms agent?

Anyone selling anything illegal usually knows that what they're doing is illegal. Gimme a break.
ETA: Illegal, as we know, also comes in the form of BS laws (case in point BS NY gun laws).

--VT

Posted: 2/6/2006 5:59:27 PM EDT

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Anybody want to deal with the fact that NY gun laws are so screwed up that they have created this business opportunity? Not saying that these students should do this but NY should not have its head up it rear and make it near impossible for honest folks to get guns. Folks that want guns are going to get guns. End of story.

What makes you think these are "honest folk"? The local crack gang that the feds busted up in Syracuse last year had a brisk business importing pistols from the southern states purchased through straw purchases. Don't kid yourself, those guns bought in the Carolinas and Georgia and brought into NY are mostly going into the hands of gang members.

Posted: 2/6/2006 6:00:07 PM EDT

[#12]

You cannot stop the free market.

Posted: 2/6/2006 6:03:31 PM EDT

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That report is shit. More than likely the guns coming from Georgia are stolen from citizens and then sold to their buddies in NYC. Biggest theft in Georgia is of firearms, its all they look for around central Georgia.

Bill3508

Posted: 2/6/2006 6:10:46 PM EDT

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That report is shit. More than likely the guns coming from Georgia are stolen from citizens and then sold to their buddies in NYC. Biggest theft in Georgia is of firearms, its all they look for around central Georgia.

Bill3508

The gang here had their girlfriends without records get po boxes then licenses in a southern state, then they would buy up stuff like Lorcins and ravens and bring 'em up here to be resold.

Posted: 2/6/2006 6:16:04 PM EDT

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That report is shit. More than likely the guns coming from Georgia are stolen from citizens and then sold to their buddies in NYC. Biggest theft in Georgia is of firearms, its all they look for around central Georgia.

Bill3508

The gang here had their girlfriends without records get po boxes then licenses in a southern state, then they would buy up stuff like Lorcins and ravens and bring 'em up here to be resold.

Wait they were not buying Barnett .50's?

Posted: 2/6/2006 6:19:49 PM EDT

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That report is shit. More than likely the guns coming from Georgia are stolen from citizens and then sold to their buddies in NYC. Biggest theft in Georgia is of firearms, its all they look for around central Georgia.

Bill3508

The gang here had their girlfriends without records get po boxes then licenses in a southern state, then they would buy up stuff like Lorcins and ravens and bring 'em up here to be resold.

Wait they were not buying Barnett .50's?

Wait til Spitzer is Govenor in NY, that'll be the next stupid thing they'll be after up here. I think Edward Avila has the only .50 out of the guys I know personally.

Anyway they did splurge and buy one Ruger revolver among all the potmetal pos they brought up here.

Posted: 2/6/2006 6:20:26 PM EDT

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Anybody want to deal with the fact that NY gun laws are so screwed up that they have created this business opportunity? Not saying that these students should do this but NY should not have its head up it rear and make it near impossible for honest folks to get guns. Folks that want guns are going to get guns. End of story.

What makes you think these are "honest folk"? The local crack gang that the feds busted up in Syracuse last year had a brisk business importing pistols from the southern states purchased through straw purchases. Don't kid yourself, those guns bought in the Carolinas and Georgia and brought into NY are mostly going into the hands of gang members.

Keep drinking.

And you knew that the "honest folks" he is referring to are law-abiding gun owners, so stop being dense.

Posted: 2/6/2006 6:20:45 PM EDT

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Not everyone who buys an illegal gun in New York is a criminal. In fact, I'm willing to bet that some are of the mindset of many on AR15.com. Don't be so quick to label firearm trafficking as a bad thing.

Posted: 2/6/2006 6:20:52 PM EDT

[#19]

Grambling

Shocker...

Posted: 2/6/2006 6:27:44 PM EDT

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Not everyone who buys an illegal gun in New York is a criminal. In fact, I'm willing to bet that some are of the mindset of many on AR15.com. Don't be so quick to label firearm trafficking as a bad thing.

I know alot of people who, if their guns were outlawed, they would then become, and purposefully remain, criminals.

Posted: 2/6/2006 7:22:41 PM EDT

[#21]

Don't be so quick to label firearm trafficking as a bad thing

Some people around here will attempt to justify anything.

Posted: 2/6/2006 7:29:47 PM EDT

[#22]

Wow, brad hamilton has come a long way!

Posted: 2/6/2006 7:37:16 PM EDT

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HEY U., DROP GUNS

By BRAD HAMILTON

NYPost, February 5, 2006 -- The feds have a new target in their battle to block illegal guns from coming to New York: college kids in Georgia.

They say unthinking students in the Peach State — along with college kids in other states with lax gun laws — are the first step in supplying most black-market weapons to the city.

* * * The flow of student-supplied guns is "a huge issue," said former NYPD Commissioner Howard Safir. "That's the way most of the illegal guns come into the city."

U.S. Attorney Dave Nahmias of Atlanta said: "The straw purchasers are generally law-abiding citizens who think they're going to make a couple hundred bucks or just help out a friend."

"We hasten to dispel the claim that experience in island nations called "Jamaica" and "England" indicates that efforts at curbing the flow of originally legal small-arms into a given area after the passage of draconian anti-gun laws is a complete waste of time. According to Agency field investigators, "Jamaica" is a type of rum, and "England" is cockney rhyming slang for a hamster's penis. We suggest that the gun-nuts get back to their Ouija Boards while we concentrate on felony prosecutions of casual sales of ordinary household items."

Posted: 2/6/2006 7:42:33 PM EDT

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Don't be so quick to label firearm trafficking as a bad thing

Some people around here will attempt to justify anything.

Including, apparently, the "right" if the government to so hamstring the RKBA as to render it practically nonexistent and create a lucrative black market. Yes indeed, NCPatrolAR, some people around here will attempt to justify anything.

There is an easy way to put an end to "problem" of black market gun sales. It also works on illegal drug sales, prescription diversions, meth labs in residential neighborhoods, et c. et c.

Posted: 2/6/2006 7:44:53 PM EDT

[#25]

I thought it was illegal to sell a handgun across interstate lines?

Posted: 2/6/2006 7:49:58 PM EDT

[#26]

I swear it wasn't me!

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