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Posted: 2/6/2006 1:46:51 PM EDT
Details at this time are a dealer price around $1300 and a retail price of about $1700.

Good luck Smith and Wesson.

Gee should I buy the new SIG556, FN2000 or a S&W AR15 model?

I wonder if Bushmaster and RRA are geting nervous?
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 1:48:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 1:50:15 PM EDT by Max_Mike]
Deja vu all over again...
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 1:49:08 PM EDT
LMFAO!

IBTL
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 1:50:03 PM EDT
A bit ironic that our resident HK-fan is going to say something about overpriced firearms...
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 1:50:21 PM EDT
dupe


I believe they'll use Troy rail systems, but that's all i can remember about it.

I'd buy one if the quality is there...not to mention if there happens to be a smidgen of innovation (something inventive/creative and necessary)
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:01:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rob78:
dupe


I believe they'll use Troy rail systems, but that's all i can remember about it.

I'd buy one if the quality is there...not to mention if there happens to be a smidgen of innovation (something inventive/creative and necessary)



Damn I duped again? Yes they did mention the Troy system.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:02:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Damn I duped again? Yes they did mention the Troy system.




DUPE.......


Haha
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:02:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
A bit ironic that our resident HK-fan is going to say something about overpriced firearms...



HK isn't overpriced.

USPs cost about the same as a SIG, Kimber, etc.

HK LE weapons are no more expensive than Colt, FN or SIG LE weapons.

Which HK guns do you consider overpriced?
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:02:58 PM EDT
Were you on a vacation?
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:03:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By krpind:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Damn I duped again? Yes they did mention the Troy system.




DUPE.......


Haha



Damn I even did a search for S&W AR-15 and came up with nothing.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:04:27 PM EDT
I like the look of the new S&W. I thing SGN already ran an article on the new gun.

I doubt I would buy one.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:17:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Damn I even did a search for S&W AR-15 and came up with nothing.



www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=118&t=267092

www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=267619



Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:24:27 PM EDT
Don't forget that it will come with the internal trigger lock and magazine safety
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:26:51 PM EDT
I am a new- be with a question, which is better a colt 6920, bushmaster or smith and wesson?
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:33:25 PM EDT
Actually check them out they are on their website. Not to bad considering the options.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:35:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:43:41 PM EDT
C'mon, let's bat this one around a little. I missed the last one.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:47:27 PM EDT
I'll pass on a plain jane M4 clone for 1300.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:48:08 PM EDT
Link to S&W MP15 sites: Link
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:51:04 PM EDT
yep...its good that SW will be breaking the AR market, but they wont be making a dent imo
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:53:17 PM EDT
That's not a monolithic rail is it????

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:53:30 PM EDT
S&W is a "Day late, and a dollar short."
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:55:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DukeSnookems:
That's not a monolithic rail is it????

www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/firearms/811001_spec_sm.jpg



no just a troy rail
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:57:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DukeSnookems:
That's not a monolithic rail is it????

www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/firearms/811001_spec_sm.jpg



Dude those custom S&W rail covers are the shit!
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 2:57:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DukeSnookems:
That's not a monolithic rail is it????

www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/firearms/811001_spec_sm.jpg



Read the linked threads. It's a Troy rail, and the sights are Troy too.

The rifle is made by CMT.

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:04:17 PM EDT
Seeing as those prices are MSRP, they aren't that bad. I won't be buying one, but there's alot more expensive options out there. The $1700 model adds up pretty quick if one were to build a similar package.

Also remember that Bushmaster gets away with selling tons of Modular Carbines which use parts that are no where near the quality of Troy's. It's MSRP is actually more then the S&W.

Troy MRF 10" = $275
Troy rear sight = $140
Troy front sight = $120
Low pro gas block from manufacturer unknown = About $100
Plus the chromed carrier and gas key.

I welcome them to the market so long as they didn't some how mess up the quality CMT is known for.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:05:27 PM EDT
This is a prelude to SteyrAUGs next group purchase, the 2006 S&W AR15.....

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:06:00 PM EDT
Suprised to see a dupe of this magnitude come from styeraug.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:12:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 3:16:33 PM EDT by Tomislav]

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Which HK guns do you consider overpriced?



The various HK longarms that are (were) available to us common folk. LE prices concern me not. Look at what the SL-8 was going for when it was out.


Originally Posted By LVMIKE:
I'll pass on a plain jane M4 clone for 1300.



Presuming the street price will actually be $1300.00, it has:

$250.00 for the Troy FF rail system.
$140.00 for the rear sight.
$120.00 for the front sight.
And howevermuch for the rail covers.

Which leaves you with about $790.00, which is about what you would pay for a RRA or whatnot.

The price is not bad at all, if people would stop for a minute and do the math.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:16:02 PM EDT
I can't believe any "street price" untill the gun is on the street
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:18:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:22:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
my feeling is this is an attempt to gain back some of the law enforcement market share they have lost over the last several years.



+1

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:25:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 3:28:02 PM EDT by OregonShooter]
Isn't the MSRP on an armalite up there as well?
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:28:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LVMIKE:

Originally Posted By DukeSnookems:
That's not a monolithic rail is it????

www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson/upload/images/firearms/811001_spec_sm.jpg



Dude those custom S&W rail covers are the shit!



Looks like TangoDown's to me.
Its going to be hard to sell a $1600 AR unless someone is looking for that exact setup. Most first timer's will be much better suited with,and more likely to spend $900 on a RRA.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:31:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By underdog75:
Its going to be hard to sell a $1600 AR unless someone is looking for that exact setup.



You do undserstand the difference between MSRP and actual retail price, don't you?
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:43:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 4:17:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 4:19:19 PM EDT by monkeyman]
First a 1911 and now an AR15. Because we all know there aren't enough 1911s or AR15s available.

S&W: the cutting edge of research and development.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 4:32:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
A bit ironic that our resident HK-fan is going to say something about overpriced firearms...



HK isn't overpriced.

USPs cost about the same as a SIG, Kimber, etc.



Stop right there.

USPs should not be mentioned in the same sentence as SIG, Kimber or any other quality handgun. I have great respect for HK rifles (and I own 2), however their handguns are garbage. I have had 3 HK pistols. 2 are gone and one I still have. All 3 seem to have been designed by poorly trained chimpanzees.

I have also owned 3 S&W's and I currently still own one. I loved all 3. Circumstances forced me to part with my Model 59A years ago and lack of use convinced me to part with my .357 magnum revolver. I do still have my 908S and I think it is an excellent pistol. Depending on what all the S&W AR15 includes I may be willing to consider it. I have the utmost confidence in their workmanship.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 4:36:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
A bit ironic that our resident HK-fan is going to say something about overpriced firearms...



HK isn't overpriced.




HK isn't overpriced as long as you realize that you are paying for a shitload of positive marketing to make you feel superior in your purchase of a VERY, VERY average firearm.

SG
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 4:40:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By killingmachine123:
Suprised to see a dupe of this magnitude come from styeraug.



Yeah, I really did miss the whole S&W thing apparantly.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 4:42:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Which HK guns do you consider overpriced?



The various HK longarms that are (were) available to us common folk. LE prices concern me not. Look at what the SL-8 was going for when it was out.



As I recall they were about $1,200 or about the same price as a LOT of longarms like FALs, AR-15s, Robinson Arms, etc. Wasn't like it was selling for 2k or anything.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 4:43:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OregonShooter:
Isn't the MSRP on an armalite up there as well?



About $1,100 I think. I hadn't considered all the options on the S&W.

But I'm not sure I'll have many people who want it over Colt, Armalite, Bushy or RRA.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 4:45:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Which HK guns do you consider overpriced?



The various HK longarms that are (were) available to us common folk. LE prices concern me not. Look at what the SL-8 was going for when it was out.



As I recall they were about $1,200 or about the same price as a LOT of longarms like FALs, AR-15s, Robinson Arms, etc. Wasn't like it was selling for 2k or anything.



Right. And a $1,200.00 10-shot 5.56 rifle doesn't strike you as absurd, but a $1,300.00 'decked out' AR does?
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 5:11:14 PM EDT

If you check the Dealer Search on the S&W Website , you will notice that they have signed on

The NATIONWIDE GANDER MTN. chain as a Dealer
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 5:42:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By underdog75:
Its going to be hard to sell a $1600 AR unless someone is looking for that exact setup.



You do undserstand the difference between MSRP and actual retail price, don't you?



yep and specialty AR's such as that will typically be damn close to msrp on the gun stores shelves. i still see RRA gov. carbines with light for 2300.00 on th shelf here and they are selling faster than they can order them.



Yes I do, I know what MSRP, actual retail, and dealer cost means

The point Im trying to make is this: The only people I see buying a $1600MSRP..... $1400 retail AR are those who absolutly want a 16" carbine with a Troy rail, and front and rear flip-ups, or those with lots of dough. I truely belive that at least 75% of COMPLETE Ar15 sales are from first time buyers. After that if a person wants a second rifle odds are that theyll biuld it themselves.
Of that second time buyer group, Noone is going to buy one unless its,A:a smoking deal, or B:its exactly the configuration which they want...Otherwise they'll build.
First time buyers are better suited with a RRA entry tactical for $1000, 10 mags, and a case of XM193.
If I sell both rifles at 20% I still sell the guy the cheaper rifle thats better suited for him.
I sell AR's everyday of the week and would sell 10 RRA's/Bushmaster's per every S&W.

JMHO,. YMMV....Etc...Etc...Etc.......Udog
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 5:45:46 PM EDT
Yea...sure...I'm going to run right out and buy one.

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 7:52:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By SteyrAUG:
Which HK guns do you consider overpriced?



The various HK longarms that are (were) available to us common folk. LE prices concern me not. Look at what the SL-8 was going for when it was out.



As I recall they were about $1,200 or about the same price as a LOT of longarms like FALs, AR-15s, Robinson Arms, etc. Wasn't like it was selling for 2k or anything.



Right. And a $1,200.00 10-shot 5.56 rifle doesn't strike you as absurd, but a $1,300.00 'decked out' AR does?



Ummm no, the S&W decked out rifle is suppossed to retail at $1,700. The HK rifle retailed at $1,200 or about as much as a Bushmaster. If the S&W was gonna retail at about $1,200 I wouldn't have said anything. In addition it seems the S&W isn't actually as overpriced as I thought when taking the options (which I was unaware of at time of posting) into consideration.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 7:57:17 PM EDT
I don't understand why they aren't coming out with a more entry level model as well, say standard .mil profile bbl and round handguards, FSB, etc...

BUT... if their quality is anything like EVERY single S&W I have ever handled (with the possible exception of the Sigma) I would be willing to pay a bit more for a Smith...

In my experience, Smith and Wesson handguns are the absolute BEST handguns I've ever owned personally. But I haven't owned any Sigs, Glocks, or HK's...
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 8:03:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By the_great_snag:
I don't understand why they aren't coming out with a more entry level model as well, say standard .mil profile bbl and round handguards, FSB, etc...

BUT... if their quality is anything like EVERY single S&W I have ever handled (with the possible exception of the Sigma) I would be willing to pay a bit more for a Smith...

In my experience, Smith and Wesson handguns are the absolute BEST handguns I've ever owned personally. But I haven't owned any Sigs, Glocks, or HK's...



Uh, duh?



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