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Posted: 2/5/2006 3:56:22 PM EDT
California and Texas don't seem to have the will to fight, I think Arizona is where the battle against illegals will be

Arizona Aims to Expand Trespassing Law
JACQUES BILLEAUD
Associated Press Writer
February 5, 2006
www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-immigration-trespassing,0,4091468.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines
PHOENIX -- Faced with mounting election-year public pressure to curtail illegal immigration, Arizona lawmakers are trying to expand state trespassing law to enable local authorities to arrest illegal border crossers.

Supporters say the state has to get involved in combating illegal immigration because the federal government has failed in its responsibility. The state is the busiest illicit entry point along the nation's southern border.

One proposal would make it a felony for immigrants violating federal immigration law to be in Arizona. Immigrants arrested for trespassing could then be deported, prosecuted by local authorities, or handed over to federal immigration agents. Another proposal would make immigrant trespassing a top-tier misdemeanor, punishable by six months in jail and a $2,500 fine.

The bills' authors also proposed increased funds -- $75 million in one plan and $30 million in another -- for communities' enforcement efforts.

Opponents say the proposals will not be effective, noting that a similar strategy flopped last year in New Hampshire because states don't have authority to enforce federal immigration law. A judge dismissed the cases of illegal immigrants arrested on New Hampshire trespassing charges, ruling that the tactic was unconstitutional.

The author of the Arizona misdemeanor bill, state Rep. Russell Pearce, insists local authorities do have power to act. "It just supports federal law, so it's perfectly legal," he said.

State Sen. Barbara Leff, who proposed the felony trespassing bill, said that if state and local authorities cannot enforce federal immigration law, "We'll make it a state crime and then they can enforce state law."

Her proposal cleared a committee last week.

Ray Borane, mayor of the southeastern Arizona border city of Douglas, said the trespassing approach would be expensive to enforce and that his community would have to double its police shifts.

"I have never heard of anything more ridiculous in my life," Borane said.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 4:03:51 PM EDT
how about a "castle doctrine" that includes "any property enclosed by a fence".

then, as soon as the smugglers and illegals break through the fence at the border, the landowners can defend their property.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 4:04:59 PM EDT
It will never happen with all the Libtards in power.


It makes too much sense, so the .gov will not do it.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 4:17:13 PM EDT
It looks like the sitution is too "in your face" in AZ for them to let it go, they are, after all, the major crossing point for the damn illegals
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 7:05:23 PM EDT
I think the solution would be to let them go in the back yards of the politicians in DC.

Arizone should run bus service out to DC / Maryland every day.

Of course, most congress critters would end up hiring them as nannies and groundskeepers.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 7:16:02 PM EDT

Supporters say the state has to get involved in combating illegal immigration because the federal government has failed in its responsibility. The state is the busiest illicit entry point along the nation's southern border.

-snip-

State Sen. Barbara Leff, who proposed the felony trespassing bill, said that if state and local authorities cannot enforce federal immigration law, "We'll make it a state crime and then they can enforce state law."



I can't tell you how much I love hearing this, now if they would\could actually DO it
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 7:19:49 PM EDT
Ohhhhhhhhh, ole Jorge Bush won't like this one bit !!
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 7:22:28 PM EDT
FUCK MEXICO. That is all.
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 7:23:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Ohhhhhhhhh, ole Jorge Bush won't like this one bit !!



The flocktard will probably pen an executive order legalizing all illegals
Link Posted: 2/5/2006 7:58:38 PM EDT

Faced with mounting election-year public pressure to curtail illegal immigration


for the politicians job one is getting re-elected, they don't care how big of a mess they leave for the next guy or the country

The pressure is just beginning for them, they are "proposing" bills, when they should be passing bills

When a few more illegal alien forced prostitution of children houses are discovered in more states in more
neighborhoods maybe people will "discuss" the issue with their legislators with a little more "enthusiasm"
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:57:41 PM EDT
Police have begun to crack down on illegals and the people that hire them...........if they block traffic they will get a ticket


Police targeting day laborers
Local residents applaud the action. Critics call it 'a poor use of resources.'
CLAUDINE LoMONACO
Tucson Citizen
February 6, 2006
www.tucsoncitizen.com/news/local/020606a1_daylabor
Cruz Manuel Quiñones waits in the chilly predawn air at the corner of 23rd Street and Ninth Avenue. Men like him and the couple of dozen men with him have been gathering there for decades, hoping to be hired for a day's work.

But they've been having a hard time lately.

Tucson police started cracking down in the area last month after neighbors complained about men littering, blocking sidewalks and spilling into the street.

A police cruiser parks alongside the men most mornings now, occasionally ticketing them or the contractors who pick them up for minor infractions such as blocking traffic.

The increased scrutiny comes on the heels of a U.S. Border Patrol raid conducted in the area in November at the request of Tucson police. The raid swept up 21 laborers, two of whom, like 30-year-old Quiñones, were in the country legally. Quiñones is a U.S. citizen.

The crackdown mirrors similar efforts in Phoenix and across the country. Day laborers are coming under greater scrutiny in the conflict over illegal immigration.

Tucson police Chief Richard Miranda says his officers are trying to keep neighborhoods safe and are not after illegal immigrants. In fact, he is opposed to making police officers enforce federal immigration laws.

But critics of the police activity at the day laborers' gathering spot say it's a poor use of resources and see a shift in the department's long-standing policy of leaving immigration enforcement to the federal government.

The laborers say it's scaring away contractors.

"Nobody's stopping with the police around," said Quiñones, who was born in Phoenix but lives with his wife and three children in Nogales, Son. He does landscaping for $12 an hour at Davis-Monthan Air Force Base for most of the year and comes here when there's no work there.

"I've never seen people causing problems," Quiñones said. "If people come here in the cold of the morning it's because they want to work. They want to take care of their families. If not, we'd still be in bed."

Long history in Tucson

In many parts of the country, day laborers are relatively new.

A recently released study of day laborers published by the University of California put their numbers at around 117,600.

The study found that 75 percent of them were in the country illegally, and day laborers have become the target of illegal immigration foes and Web sites, such as www.wehirealiens.com, which has listed the corner near Ninth Avenue and 23rd Street.

Laborers have been gathering there for decades, said the Rev. John Fife, retired minister of Southside Presbyterian Church, just down the block from the intersection.

During the 1960s and '70s, the state ran a center at 22nd Street and Ninth Avenue to recruit Latinos and Native Americans from the South Side to work the cotton farms of Marana.

Contractors and home owners also began coming to the area to find workers.

The center closed in the late '70s once cotton farms mechanized, but contractors kept going there to find workers who moved out onto the sidewalks along Ninth Avenue, Fife said.

"Major sectors of the economy in Tucson depend on day laborers," Fife said. "Construction, roofing, landscaping. Those guys supply the labor for it."

Robert Topalian periodically picks up workers here for landscaping on his rental property, which funds his full-time missionary work in Mexico, he said.

"This seems to be the best location for good workers," Topalian said, leaning out the window of his white truck. "Everybody I've seen has been orderly and polite. I haven't seen any problems."

Some neighbors disagree.

When Benny Allen moved to 23rd Street last year, men started whistling at his 13- and 15-year-old daughters on their way to school.

"I didn't like it," he said, so he called the police.

One woman said she has stopped sitting on her patio ever since she saw a man urinating in her front yard.

"In a residential place, this isn't something you want to see every day," Allen said.

Neighbors said they supported the laborers' right to look for work. They just didn't want it happening in front of their homes.

Critics

City Councilman Steve Leal, who represents the area, said the police response is out of proportion to the problem.

"Historically, there have never really been a significant number of complaints," he said. "I think they have more important things to deal with."

He called the effort a "cat and mouse" strategy that will not solve the problem and has created unnecessary ill will.

Miranda said making police officers enforce immigration law - a move recently taken by a handful of police departments around the country - would stretch already thin resources and erode the Latino community's trust in the police.

Miranda has tried to reassure Latino residents that they can report a crime without worrying that the police will report them to the Border Patrol.

"We have a lot of people without the proper paperwork who have made Tucson their home," Miranda said, "and at that point, they are deserving, if they become a victim, of the same police protection and services as everyone else."

But the police crackdown and a Border Patrol raid, which was widely broadcast on Spanish-language TV, have made the Latino community more suspicious of Tucson police and more reluctant to go to the police even when it has information that can help solve a crime, said immigrant-rights lawyer and activist Isabel Garcia.

"People are afraid to call the police even if they are the victims," she said. "Deportation and banishment is a far greater penalty than living with the consequences of whatever crime they're trying to report."

Leal, Miranda and Garcia agreed that a day labor center would help solve the problem, while cleaning up the neighborhood for residents and helping protect laborers from abusive employers.

The Primavera Foundation, a Tucson nonprofit organization that provides services to the homeless and the poor, has a day labor program, but requires participants to prove they are legal residents.

Last year, Arizona passed a law that bans cities, towns and counties from building or maintaining a work center that facilitates the hiring of illegal immigrants.

Southside Presbyterian is discussing plans to build a center on one of its parking lots, and Leal said he was considering approaching Home Depot, which has built and funded day labor centers next to some stores in California.

Back on the corner of 23rd and Ninth, a white van slows down. Quiñones approaches, gives a thumbs up and hops in. He has work, at least for today.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 3:59:30 PM EDT
How about just making it LEGAL to shoot ILLEGAL immigrants. After the first 100 or so shot, they would choose a different avenue of approach.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 4:02:08 PM EDT
The illegals, committing a federal crime, have the full support of president bush AND the dems
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 4:07:43 PM EDT
Some thing needs to be done about this problem. About any action would be a step in the right direction.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 4:39:33 PM EDT
MILITARIZE THE BORDER, STOP WELFARE PAYMENTS TO ILLEGAL ALIENS

DON'T GIVE BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP TO CRIMINALS CHILDREN
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 4:49:35 PM EDT
www.bakers-legal-pages.com/pc/0942.htm

Sec. 9.42. DEADLY FORCE TO PROTECT PROPERTY. A person is justified in using deadly force against another to protect land or tangible, movable property:
~ ~ (1) if he would be justified in using force against the other under Section 9.41; and
~ ~ (2) when and to the degree he reasonably believes the deadly force is immediately necessary:
~ ~ ~ (A) to prevent the other's imminent commission of arson, burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, theft during the nighttime, or criminal mischief during the nighttime; or
~ ~ ~ (B) to prevent the other who is fleeing immediately after committing burglary, robbery, aggravated robbery, or theft during the nighttime from escaping with the property; and
~ ~ (3) he reasonably believes that:
~ ~ ~ (A) the land or property cannot be protected or recovered by any other means; or
~ ~ ~ (B) the use of force other than deadly force to protect or recover the land or property would expose the actor or another to a substantial risk of death or serious bodily injury.

Why Texans need anything more I know not. They have in the past had cart blanch to shoot anyone on their propety after dark.

It would be very nice if AZ copied this law.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 5:01:56 PM EDT
Also go here kyl.senate.gov/

And leave a message- even if you are not from AZ

Kyl will be charing hearings on the Border Issue starting next month. He heads the Terrorism, Technology, and Homeland Security Subcomitte.

Maybe he'll supponea 22bad!
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 5:17:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 5:22:27 PM EDT by BangStick1]
The problem is so wide spread that they have to put into the hands of all of the people. The gov't can't solve the problem without turning into a police state.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 5:24:16 PM EDT
IF they crackdown in AZ , the mexies will just sneak across in CA. , OR N.M -the path of least(liberal) resistance
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 5:28:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 5:38:11 PM EDT by PSYWAR1-0]
If we have an open season on Illegals, and use olde timey type weapons, only originals manufactured before 1901, or copies of them, would it be OK?

1897 Winchester pump shotguns, Sharps, High Wall's, Peacemakers ect ect ect, Heck I know some folks that used to raid across the border into mexico, they would be happy to revive an ancient tribal tradition

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 5:33:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 5:36:50 PM EDT
State Rep. Russell Pearce, will be govener one day, mark my words.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 5:39:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
It will never happen with all the Libtards in power.


It makes too much sense, so the .gov will not do it.



Libs are not in power here, true the govener is a Dem. but she isn't pushing the lib stuff to hard. She knows what to not do. BTW: she is a skeet shooter She took the neighboring states Dem governors out to Ben Avery rifle range for some trigger time
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 5:49:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mjrowley:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
It will never happen with all the Libtards in power.


It makes too much sense, so the .gov will not do it.



Libs are not in power here, true the govener is a Dem. but she isn't pushing the lib stuff to hard. She knows what to not do. BTW: she is a skeet shooter She took the neighboring states Dem governors out to Ben Avery rifle range for some trigger timebull dyke who likes to pose with guns like her hero john kerry



fixed it for ya, she's not fooling anyone
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 6:00:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 6:14:40 PM EDT by ArmdLbrl]
What we need is a real Border Police like Germany and Isreal have.

It would be kind of like a terrestrial version of the Coast Guard.

In the German example they are enlisted like military personnel, armed and trained like light infantry, are issued armed trucks and some armored cars.

Officers and NCO's would have the same powers of arrest as a Deputy US Marshal.

However, they would be limited to operating, if we followed the German example, in a 30km belt along the International borders.

They would be subject to the UCMJ and be housed in barracks. Both of which would make it easier to crack down on corruption than having to deal with civil service regulations in diciplining crooked ICE/Border Patrol agents.

This new force ideally should be placed togeather with the Coast Guard under a Secretary of Homeland Security.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 6:08:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/6/2006 6:10:42 PM EDT by mjrowley]

Originally Posted By Fourays2:

Originally Posted By mjrowley:

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
It will never happen with all the Libtards in power.


It makes too much sense, so the .gov will not do it.



Libs are not in power here, true the govener is a Dem. but she isn't pushing the lib stuff to hard. She knows what to not do. BTW: she is a skeet shooter She took the neighboring states Dem governors out to Ben Avery rifle range for some trigger timebull dyke who likes to pose with guns like her hero john kerry



fixed it for ya, she's not fooling anyone






ETA: Just to be clear I will not be voting for her...
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 6:14:24 PM EDT
How about this.........

We dig a huge canal from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico say 100 yards wide & 50' deep and let the Coast gaurd patrol it in boats. We will also have water here in Arizona for once.

We could just pump it out and distribute it around the state. As long as SRP don't get their grubby hands on it.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 6:15:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mwood65:
How about this.........

We dig a huge canal from the Pacific Ocean to the Gulf of Mexico say 100 yards wide & 50' deep and let the Coast gaurd patrol it in boats. We will also have water here in Arizona for once.

We could just pump it out and distribute it around the state. As long as SRP don't get their grubby hands on it.



Dude that would be salt water
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 6:41:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Also go here kyl.senate.gov/

And leave a message- even if you are not from AZ

Kyl will be charing hearings on the Border Issue starting next month. He heads the Terrorism, Technology, and Homeland Security Subcomitte.

Maybe he'll supponea 22bad!



Pretty funny, I assume by the tone of your other posts that is a compliment
I had a similar compliment at work today........its good to be appreciated

I would appreciate it if they would read some of the articles in my threads into the record
They are a pretty good collection of articles that don't usally make the national news
I know SOME of the lawmakers staff must be checking this website...........
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 7:17:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
What we need is a real Border Police like Germany and Isreal have.

It would be kind of like a terrestrial version of the Coast Guard.

In the German example they are enlisted like military personnel, armed and trained like light infantry, are issued armed trucks and some armored cars.

Officers and NCO's would have the same powers of arrest as a Deputy US Marshal.

However, they would be limited to operating, if we followed the German example, in a 30km belt along the International borders.

They would be subject to the UCMJ and be housed in barracks. Both of which would make it easier to crack down on corruption than having to deal with civil service regulations in diciplining crooked ICE/Border Patrol agents.

This new force ideally should be placed togeather with the Coast Guard under a Secretary of Homeland Security.



That sounds like a good idea.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 8:44:22 PM EDT
COULD IT BE????...................PROGRESS????

Panel endorses wide attack on illegal immigration
2-6-06
www.kold.com/Global/story.asp?S=4463243
PHOENIX A state House committee today endorsed a bill that would make a broad-based assault on illegal immigration.

The Committee on Federal Mandates and Property Rights endorsed a rewritten bill that would instruct local police to ask arrested people their immigration status and subject illegal immigrants to the criminal trespassing law.

It also would prohibit landlords from knowingly renting to illegal immigrants and forbid issuing mortgages to people with a federal individual taxpayer identification number instead of a Social Security number.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 9:11:34 PM EDT
Bedtime Border Bump
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 9:15:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:
State Sen. Barbara Leff, who proposed the felony trespassing bill, said that if state and local authorities cannot enforce federal immigration law, "We'll make it a state crime and then they can enforce state law."





Like they have time for THAT. Give me a break. Securing the border is fucking FEDERAL problem.
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 10:18:40 PM EDT
Pre-Election propaganda. Let's throw a bunch of bills out there that make everyone believe we're doing something about a certain problem. They know they won't get passed... But, they're "doing something" about it so they can stand at the pulpit and say "I did something about it and nothing happened so vote for me"

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 10:30:38 PM EDT
GOD, wtf does this shit happen in the US, we're not a friggin holliday resort, well I guess we are now.
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 11:47:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
State Sen. Barbara Leff, who proposed the felony trespassing bill, said that if state and local authorities cannot enforce federal immigration law, "We'll make it a state crime and then they can enforce state law."





Like they have time for THAT. Give me a break. Securing the border is fucking FEDERAL problem.


agreed dude, but they aren't doing shit about it so we have to. after all we're the ones paying the price for uncontrolled illegal immigration.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 7:49:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/9/2006 8:02:47 PM EDT by 22bad]
Heh

Bill calls for Mexican border wall paid for by tax on foreign money transfers
Mike Sunnucks
The Business Journal
phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2006/02/06/daily31.html?jst=b_ln_hl
A new state proposal asks voters to approve construction of a security wall along the Mexican border and pay for it via a new tax on wire transfers from Arizona to foreign countries.
Democratic Gov. Janet Napolitano said Wednesday she opposes the border wall idea, arguing it would not stop illegal immigration. The governor prefers more technology and manpower be shipped to the border. She also opposes federal measures to construct security barriers along the 2,000-mile U.S/Mexican border.

Mexican immigrants and nationals illegals working in the U.S. sent $20 billion back to Mexico in 2005, according to the Federal Reserve Bank in Dallas. The proposed ballot question would assess a new 8 percent tax on international money transfers from Arizona. Those funds would be used construct the wall and pay for other border security efforts.

The measure is under consideration by the state Legislature and has the support of Republicans in favor of tougher border security and immigration controls. GOP sponsors include State Reps. Russell Pearce and Rick Murphy and state Sens. Dean Martin, Ron Gould and Thayer Verschoor.

The ballot question asks voters to approve a Mexican border wall to be constructed by the state government. It piggybacks on federal plans to construct border walls and security fences along the 2,000-mile southern border.

Arizona Republican Congressman Trent Franks and Rick Renzi have voiced support for increased border walls and fences. Franks supports a measure building a wall along the entire border. Renzi supports Israeli-style security fences near border cities and well traveled crossing points.

Immigration is a key economic issue in Arizona and is poised to be a key one in this year's elections. Republicans have hit Napolitano for opposing a ballot measure approved in 2004 that denies state welfare benefits to illegal immigrants and for vetoing bills last year aimed at expanding that voter approved law.

The governor has taken a tougher path this year on immigration issues, supporting new state fines against employers who hire illegals and asking the Pentagon to pay for National Guard troops to be sent to the border.

Arizona is a top entry point for illegal immigrants entering the U.S. as well as Mexican drug cartels and smugglers.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 7:52:38 PM EDT
Now they are using MOTORHOMES?

Alien smuggling suspect shoots at Ariz. Border Patrol officers
Associated Press
Feb. 08, 2006
www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/state/13824240.htm
PHOENIX - U.S. Border Patrol agents were fired on by a suspected immigrant smuggler west of Yuma Tuesday night, officials said.
The gunfire came at the end of a 20-mile chase of a motorhome packed with illegal immigrants, U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Michael Gramley said.
The incident began about 10 p.m. Tuesday when a citizen called in a tip about a large group of apparent immigrants who were seen getting in the motor home several miles west of Yuma. Agents tried to stop the motor home as it drove west on Interstate 8 near Andrade, Calif., but the driver wouldn't stop until the tires were flattened by a spike strip after about 20 miles.
As the vehicle stopped, the driver reportedly fired one shot from a pistol at the agents, striking the rear tail light of a Border Patrol vehicle. The driver and 22 illegal immigrants got out of the motor home and began running. All were captured.
The agents apparently didn't realize they had been fired upon until some of the immigrants warned them.
"As they began apprehending several people fleeing from the vehicle, several of them stated that someone in the vehicle had a gun and had fired a shot,' Gramley said.
The driver was a 26-year-old U.S. citizen from San Diego who wasn't identified. The Border Patrol turned him over to the FBI and will seek unspecified charges.
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 7:59:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PSYWAR1-0:
If we have an open season on Illegals, and use olde timey type weapons, only originals manufactured before 1901, or copies of them, would it be OK?

1897 Winchester pump shotguns, Sharps, High Wall's, Peacemakers ect ect ect, Heck I know some folks that used to raid across the border into mexico, they would be happy to revive an ancient tribal tradition




That's not "old school".

This is:

Link Posted: 2/9/2006 8:15:43 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 8:27:26 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 4:14:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fossil_fuel:
how about a "castle doctrine" that includes "any property enclosed by a fence".

then, as soon as the smugglers and illegals break through the fence at the border, the landowners can defend their property.



And combine it with Texas laws regaeding theft of property at night and defense.

Of course, I suppose the Mexican Army will provide escorts then.

Link Posted: 2/10/2006 7:28:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By XDBACKUPGUN:
It will never happen with all the Libtards in power.


It makes too much sense, so the .gov will not do it.




That sums it up perfectly.

CMOS
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 9:29:31 PM EDT
I swear, the illegals make more IDs than the government does these days

Authorities: Seven fraudulent document rings shut down in Arizona
Feb 10, 2006
kvoa.com/Global/story.asp?S=4484225&nav=HMO6HMaY
Seven fraudulent document rings were shut down Thursday after 16 people were arrested for their alleged involvement in making or selling the type of fake IDs and other records used by illegal immigrants, authorities said.

The operations sold a package of driver's licenses, Social Security cards and "green cards" and could produce the so-called "three packs" within 40 minutes of receiving an order, said Leesa Berens Morrison, leader of a task force of police focusing one fraudulent identification.

Authorities said they didn't know how many fraudulent records were produced by the rings and the makeup of the operations' clientele, though the documents they produced are typically those sought by illegal immigrants.

Illegal immigrants could use the package, which costs $140 to $170, to establish bank accounts and other necessities for life in the United States, she said.

"All it takes is a high-end printer and a computer and somebody with the know-it-all to put it all together," said Todd Lawson, an attorney for the state's Attorney General's office.

Charges against those who were arrested will include forgery and trafficking in the identity of another person, Lawson said.

"We are now beginning to impact this trade," said Gov. Janet Napolitano, who created the fake identification task force last year.

Arizona, the busiest illegal entry point along the country's southern border, serves as a hub for smugglers who transport illegal workers across the country.

Public pressure is mounting for state politicians who face re-election races this year to confront Arizona's border problems, even though immigration has long been considered the sole province of the federal government.

Arizona lawmakers have proposed several bills aimed at getting the state involved in the fight against illegal immigration, a problem they said the federal government has failed to fix.

Police searching several locations in metropolitan Phoenix seized laptops, printers, computer scanners and cameras that they said were used to produce fake documents.

Fourteen other people who were arrested in the sweep will likely face drug, weapons and other unrelated charges, authorities said.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 10:02:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bad_Aim:
FUCK MEXICO. That is all.



I will second that!
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 10:07:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By copenhagen:

Originally Posted By Bad_Aim:
FUCK MEXICO. That is all.



I will second that!



Only about half of the illegals come FROM mexico, of course, almost ALL of them come THROUGH mexico
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 10:08:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:
MILITARIZE THE BORDER, STOP WELFARE PAYMENTS TO ILLEGAL ALIENS

DON'T GIVE BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP TO CRIMINALS CHILDREN



Ahh but the Constitution says there 'shall be no corruption of blood', so you can't hold the child accountable for the actions of it's criminal mother.


Then again.. it only mentions that in regards to treason.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 10:13:53 PM EDT
I just thought up a great way to take care of Illegal Immigration. Setup work camps along the border and when an illegal is captured instead of sending them back across the border send them to the work camp and have them build roads or dig ditches for 6 weeks without pay and then send them back across the border.
Link Posted: 2/11/2006 10:15:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NimmerMehr:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
MILITARIZE THE BORDER, STOP WELFARE PAYMENTS TO ILLEGAL ALIENS

DON'T GIVE BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP TO CRIMINALS CHILDREN



Ahh but the Constitution says there 'shall be no corruption of blood', so you can't hold the child accountable for the actions of it's criminal mother.


Then again.. it only mentions that in regards to treason.



Did you know that there are 300,000 babies born in the US each year to illegal aliens?
Did you also know that they ALL get welfare for the child and illegal alien mother for 18 years?
I don't see how anyone can think that this is a reasonable course of action, they are criminals

Link Posted: 2/11/2006 10:16:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By inzane123:
I just thought up a great way to take care of Illegal Immigration. Setup work camps along the border and when an illegal is captured instead of sending them back across the border send them to the work camp and have them build roads or dig ditches for 6 weeks without pay and then send them back across the border.



Set up a campaign fund, we'll see if we can get you elected President
Link Posted: 2/12/2006 12:38:02 AM EDT
Wow, follow the money

Bill would withhold federal taxes for immigration costs
HOWARD FISCHER
Capitol Media Services
02/10/2006
www.azdailysun.com/non_sec/nav_includes/story.cfm?storyID=124740
PHOENIX -- Unable to get the federal government to pick up the state's costs of illegal immigration, the Senate Finance Committee voted Thursday for a little bit of self-help: Take possession of what Arizona taxpayers are supposed to pay to Uncle Sam.

Under the terms of SB 1459, Arizonans would continue to fill out their federal tax returns and file them with the Internal Revenue Service. But the legislation then requires the actual check to be made payable -- and mailed -- to the state Department of Revenue.

It would then be up to state tax officials to figure out what costs the state has incurred due to the presence of people illegally in this country. And only after deducting that would the balance be forwarded to the federal government.

"Obviously the federal government will have a problem with this,'' said Sen. Dean Martin, R-Phoenix. "That's the whole point.''

Martin, who crafted the bill and chairs the committee, said the move will finally get the attention of the federal government to either do a better job of sealing the border or compensate Arizona for the costs.

Those costs range from public education, which the state is required to provide without regard to the legal status of the child, to welfare, law enforcement and prison expenses.

Martin said he has no idea how much that would total. Instead, the measure would leave that task to the budget analysts who work for the governor and Legislature.

"Hopefully this will be the Boston Tea Party of the 21st century,'' he said.

Given that the federal government does not like being paid late -- or not at all -- the legislation also includes a provision that it will pay any interest or penalties that the IRS imposes against individuals and corporations.

Sen. Ken Cheuvront, D-Phoenix, agreed that Washington is not paying its share. But in voting against the measure, he said that last provision shows legislation is unworkable: Penalties and the cost of defending Arizona taxpayers will eat up far more than anything the state gets to keep.

How fiscally practical Martin's proposal would be, assuming it were to become law, is less than clear.

On paper, there should be plenty of cash to seize: IRS figures show Arizonans paid more than $25 billion in 2004, the most recent figures available.

But most of that comes from the regular withholding, with three out of four taxpayers actually seeking a refund when they file their annual returns.

Martin said, though, he believes the net payments due on April 15 still would total "several hundred million dollars,'' a figure he believes would at least put a significant dent in the state's costs of border crossers.

Thursday's 5-3 vote sends the measure to the full Senate.
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