Where do you see gun ownership in the next 50 years? We have seen in just 20 years how much executive orders and AW Bans have effected the firearms market. In certian states, it is a much more harsh reality that in others.

Just for fun. Plot your predictions as to how the 2nd Amendment will be veiwed in the next 50 years.


2010





2020





2030





2040





2050

Quoted: 2010 Hitlery initates federal registration of guns and ammunition. 2020 All ammunition has serial numbers.   2030 Limits on ammunition, including type amd quantity 2040 Rolling stone play 16th farewell tour 2050 Complete ban on firearms.  Crime and violence is pandemic.  It's all the white man's fault.

The revolution has begun....

Quoted: Where do you see gun ownership in the next 50 years? We have seen in just 20 years how much executive orders and AW Bans have effected the firearms market. In certian states, it is a much more harsh reality that in others. Just for fun. Plot your predictions as to how the 2nd Amendment will be veiwed in the next 50 years. 2010      by this time more minor gun laws being enacted 2020     a new, even more HARSH assault weapons ban 2030      gun swill mostly be illegal in NY, NJ, Mass, CA.... 2040  most everything banned, permits for everything required....what gun rights? 2050         what guns?  our super soakers that dont even look like guns?

Now thru 2010 - Good stuff, lots of new weapons on the market.

2010 - New AWB. No more EBRs. Gunshow "loophole" will be "closed".

2020 - Import bans...no more imported guns or ammo. Also no more "cop-killer" bullets. Confiscations of "assault weapons" in the most liberal states likelky. Severe ammo taxes.

2030 - Total registration on everything, Canada-style. Handguns will also be required to have some retarded "smart chip" crap in them where you have to wear a watch-like radio transmitter to fire the stupid thing. That or the grip plate reads your fingerprints. CCW starts getting repealed, diminishes into nothing over the next 20 years.

2040 - All semi-autos/handguns banned. Probably be where Great Birtian is now, if not worse.

2050 - Confiscation of all EBRs, SBRs, Class III toys, and maybe handguns will have taken place somtime by now. Pump-action shotties with 28" barrels will be the most evil things we can own...if we're lucky.

Expect other crap like universal waiting periods, tougher prior history laws, etc. to be put in there at random intervals. The big Wild Card in this equation is the UN....if the liberals take total control sometime before 2050...a feat which is not only possible buy highly, highly probable...expect a UN ban on pretty much everything overnight.

Also consider that Mexican immigration...at it's current rate...will cause at least the following two things EASILY by 2050: most people in the US will be Mexicans, and Spanish will be the predominant language. This is important because virtually all Mexican immigrants are very liberal, so they will pretty much take control of who gets voted into office. The liberals have very bright days ahead. Nothing serious will be done about the border. Heck, even if we did seal it off, legal immigration alone would probably be enough to tip the scales. There is just nothing we can really do.

Sad, but true. I was actually probably fairly optimistic in this timeline. Enjoy your hobby now while you still can.

really bleak future...

tag

At what point would you fight (armed resistance)?

Since I'm in my pessimistic mood tonight...

2010:

No change.

2020:

A more restrictive AWB has been passed.

2030:

An increase in the number of classes of people who cannot own firearms.

2040:

Mandatory licensing.
Determined enforcement of 2020 and 2030 laws begin.

2050:

Confiscation is in full swing.  Gun owners roll over and turn everything in.  Everything.  Not a single gun owner even questions the confiscation, much less tries to hide a weapon or stop the confiscation through any type of protest.

Quoted: At what point would you fight (armed resistance)?

likely...never

Quoted: At what point would you fight (armed resistance)?

Nobody will ever fight.

I thought I was being pessimistic until I read some of these replies.  Yikes.

Quoted: Quoted: At what point would you fight (armed resistance)? Nobody will ever fight. I thought I was being pessimistic until I read some of these replies.  Yikes.

Yea ignore my post

I agree that the next AWB will be 2020 or sooner.

And no. No one will ever fight back with armed resistance.

We're all too fat and complacent to fight.  Our rights are eroded slowly enough for no one to really care.  

Honestly, I think come 2050 there will be no net change in firearms laws.  Maybe a small net loss for us.  There probably won't be licensing by then.  Look how slowly things have changed over the past 50 years.  The gun grabbers have always been around and have been very active for the past 25 years.  They've really accomplished nothing.  We have more choices than we did 20 years ago as to what we want to buy.  Barring the C3 guys, of course.

Quoted: Honestly, I think come 2050 there will be no net change in firearms laws.  Maybe a small net loss for us.  There probably won't be licensing by then.  Look how slowly things have changed over the past 50 years.  The gun grabbers have always been around and have been very active for the past 25 years.  They've really accomplished nothing.  We have more choices than we did 20 years ago as to what we want to buy.  Barring the C3 guys, of course.

i hope your right

Quoted: Quoted: Honestly, I think come 2050 there will be no net change in firearms laws.  Maybe a small net loss for us.  There probably won't be licensing by then.  Look how slowly things have changed over the past 50 years.  The gun grabbers have always been around and have been very active for the past 25 years.  They've really accomplished nothing.  We have more choices than we did 20 years ago as to what we want to buy.  Barring the C3 guys, of course. i hope your right

Don't hope.  Make things happen.

It is up to us.

Quoted: Quoted: Honestly, I think come 2050 there will be no net change in firearms laws.  Maybe a small net loss for us.  There probably won't be licensing by then.  Look how slowly things have changed over the past 50 years.  The gun grabbers have always been around and have been very active for the past 25 years.  They've really accomplished nothing.  We have more choices than we did 20 years ago as to what we want to buy.  Barring the C3 guys, of course. i hope your right

I'm afraid he probably isn't. I've edited my first post in this thread with further info. Basically, my point is that politcs of the past 25 - 50 years will be very much different than the next 50 years, in large part due to the massive wave of Mexican (legal/illegal) immigration we will see in coming decades. The huge numbers of these (overwhelmingly liberal-voting) immigrants basically ensures our political demise in this nation. Weird as it may seem, immigration is sort of the main issue for our future of gun ownership.

There are truly only two factors imporant in our firearms-owning future: if we can keep democrats out of total control, or if we can change the democratic party's view on guns. Indeed, the exact opposite seems likely - RINOs who don't care at all about the 2nd Amendment will become more common as Republicans in general begin to fade as a response to the changing political climate of the nation.

The more immigrants we get, the more liberal the votes are. The more liberal the voting public is, the more the GOP has to change or face a shutout. That means a GOP being "moderate" on gun control and other things. Eventually it will be too much and we will basically have two democratic parties...one like today's DFL, the other resembling a quasi-socialist party. And finally, when congress is basically nothing but rampant liberalism, the UN will be allowed to come in and take it all away. My personal guess is that this very scenario will have fully taken place near the year 2040, barring some sort of unforseen earth-shattering political/social event that changes everything somehow.

It should get better.  

Sheesh, dump the stinkin thinking

Quoted: I agree that the next AWB will be 2020 or sooner. And no. No one will ever fight back with armed resistance.

People will fight back.  The numbers, however, will likely not be great enough to do any significant damage.

The reason people don't fight back is because they think they have too much to loose.  They have a house, a family, and kids depending on them.

In the future, you will find more single and somewhat older people who have done what is needed to raise their kids.  They will transfer their funds and assets out of their name, and well, take up arms.

I duno, but if someone tries to confiscate weapons, I don't think it will go over too well. I could picture at this point some conflict.

Quoted: Quoted: I agree that the next AWB will be 2020 or sooner. And no. No one will ever fight back with armed resistance. People will fight back.  The numbers, however, will likely not be great enough to do any significant damage. The reason people don't fight back is because they think they have too much to loose.  They have a house, a family, and kids depending on them. In the future, you will find more single and somewhat older people who have done what is needed to raise their kids.  They will transfer their funds and assets out of their name, and well, take up arms.

No they won't.  Don't delude yourselves.

If it's lost politically, people will roll over and take it.

Quoted: I duno, but if someone tries to confiscate weapons, I don't think it will go over too well. I could picture at this point some conflict.

regulate until its all gone...no conflict this way

heres a good piece of writing, its just like firearms laws if you think about it....I just had a a bright idea and here it is:

First They Came for the Jews

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.

Pastor Martin Niemöller

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I agree that the next AWB will be 2020 or sooner. And no. No one will ever fight back with armed resistance. People will fight back.  The numbers, however, will likely not be great enough to do any significant damage. The reason people don't fight back is because they think they have too much to loose.  They have a house, a family, and kids depending on them. In the future, you will find more single and somewhat older people who have done what is needed to raise their kids.  They will transfer their funds and assets out of their name, and well, take up arms. No they won't.  Don't delude yourselves. If it's lost politically, people will roll over and take it.

So no one will do anything???  No small group of old school arfcommers will pull out the old AR's and go out in a blaze???  Hell 50 years from now...I'll be....I'll be....fucking old...For all intents and purposes my life would be over...why not go out well?  I imagine there are many more who would think similarly.

I just don't want to die alone

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I agree that the next AWB will be 2020 or sooner. And no. No one will ever fight back with armed resistance. People will fight back.  The numbers, however, will likely not be great enough to do any significant damage. The reason people don't fight back is because they think they have too much to loose.  They have a house, a family, and kids depending on them. In the future, you will find more single and somewhat older people who have done what is needed to raise their kids.  They will transfer their funds and assets out of their name, and well, take up arms. No they won't.  Don't delude yourselves. If it's lost politically, people will roll over and take it. So no one will do anything???  No small group of old school arfcommers will pull out the old AR's and go out in a blaze???  Hell 50 years from now...I'll be....I'll be....fucking old...For all intents and purposes my life would be over...why not go out well?  I imagine there are many more who would think similarly.

People might think that.  They won't act on it.  They probably won't even talk much about it, if at all.  No one will do anything.

you guys have a really optimistic view of the future.
mine is not so bright. Rouge nation gets bombs , other nations retaliate

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I agree that the next AWB will be 2020 or sooner. And no. No one will ever fight back with armed resistance. People will fight back.  The numbers, however, will likely not be great enough to do any significant damage. The reason people don't fight back is because they think they have too much to loose.  They have a house, a family, and kids depending on them. In the future, you will find more single and somewhat older people who have done what is needed to raise their kids.  They will transfer their funds and assets out of their name, and well, take up arms. No they won't.  Don't delude yourselves. If it's lost politically, people will roll over and take it. So no one will do anything???  No small group of old school arfcommers will pull out the old AR's and go out in a blaze???  Hell 50 years from now...I'll be....I'll be....fucking old...For all intents and purposes my life would be over...why not go out well?  I imagine there are many more who would think similarly.

+100 in 50 years i will be 69 and i wont give a shit no more, i will take my walker and go on full head with the robots that come for my guns

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I agree that the next AWB will be 2020 or sooner. And no. No one will ever fight back with armed resistance. People will fight back.  The numbers, however, will likely not be great enough to do any significant damage. The reason people don't fight back is because they think they have too much to loose.  They have a house, a family, and kids depending on them. In the future, you will find more single and somewhat older people who have done what is needed to raise their kids.  They will transfer their funds and assets out of their name, and well, take up arms. No they won't.  Don't delude yourselves. If it's lost politically, people will roll over and take it. So no one will do anything???  No small group of old school arfcommers will pull out the old AR's and go out in a blaze???  Hell 50 years from now...I'll be....I'll be....fucking old...For all intents and purposes my life would be over...why not go out well?  I imagine there are many more who would think similarly. People might think that.  They won't act on it.  They probably won't even talk much about it, if at all.  No one will do anything.

ATF

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I agree that the next AWB will be 2020 or sooner. And no. No one will ever fight back with armed resistance. People will fight back.  The numbers, however, will likely not be great enough to do any significant damage. The reason people don't fight back is because they think they have too much to loose.  They have a house, a family, and kids depending on them. In the future, you will find more single and somewhat older people who have done what is needed to raise their kids.  They will transfer their funds and assets out of their name, and well, take up arms. No they won't.  Don't delude yourselves. If it's lost politically, people will roll over and take it. So no one will do anything???  No small group of old school arfcommers will pull out the old AR's and go out in a blaze???  Hell 50 years from now...I'll be....I'll be....fucking old...For all intents and purposes my life would be over...why not go out well?  I imagine there are many more who would think similarly. People might think that.  They won't act on it.  They probably won't even talk much about it, if at all.  No one will do anything. ATF

Wouldn't an ATF troll be trying to incite you to violence so he could shoot your dog, your wife, and your child?  Unless I'm using fancy reverse psychology...

I think it may be fairly good come the next few decades. Reason I say that is because people are not hunting as much anymore. I know it sounds odd but its true. Their are someting like 80 million gun owners in the country and about 25 or so million hunting permits sold. So it isnt just hunters that own firearms.

With Winchester closing down who made traditional hunting firearms and Smith and Wesson making an AR-15 you are starting to see a change in the market place. Its going from hunting to shooting. The AWB was one of the best things that happened to the preservation of firearm ownership. People realized that it did nothing and it increased sales before durring and after the ban. Look at the ammount of AR's sold post 1994. More people now own "tactical, assault and competition" style firearms and are going out and shooting them for the fun of it and the challenge insted of going hunting. I think if this trend continues we will have fewer firearm laws as people learn more from their friends that are into shooting.

Quoted: I think it may be fairly good come the next few decades. Reason I say that is because people are not hunting as much anymore. I know it sounds odd but its true. Their are someting like 80 million gun owners in the country and about 25 or so million hunting permits sold. So it isnt just hunters that own firearms. With Winchester closing down who made traditional hunting firearms and Smith and Wesson making an AR-15 you are starting to see a change in the market place. Its going from hunting to shooting. The AWB was one of the best things that happened to the preservation of firearm ownership. People realized that it did nothing and it increased sales before durring and after the ban. Look at the ammount of AR's sold post 1994. More people now own "tactical, assault and competition" style firearms and are going out and shooting them for the fun of it and the challenge insted of going hunting. I think if this trend continues we will have fewer firearm laws as people learn more from their friends that are into shooting.

this is true.....less hunters are around, and more pure "shooters"

Quoted: I think it may be fairly good come the next few decades. Reason I say that is because people are not hunting as much anymore. I know it sounds odd but its true. Their are someting like 80 million gun owners in the country and about 25 or so million hunting permits sold. So it isnt just hunters that own firearms. With Winchester closing down who made traditional hunting firearms and Smith and Wesson making an AR-15 you are starting to see a change in the market place. Its going from hunting to shooting. The AWB was one of the best things that happened to the preservation of firearm ownership. People realized that it did nothing and it increased sales before durring and after the ban. Look at the ammount of AR's sold post 1994. More people now own "tactical, assault and competition" style firearms and are going out and shooting them for the fun of it and the challenge insted of going hunting. I think if this trend continues we will have fewer firearm laws as people learn more from their friends that are into shooting.

I'm thinking along these lines as well...

PLUS, 50 years ago, how many states had concealed carry?  Now all but four (well, kinda).  Still a hell of alot better than it could be.

originally posted by Big_Louie They won't act on it. They probably won't even talk much about it, if at all. No one will do anything.

This belief is what I'm betting will be the downfall of the great confiscation attempt of 20__.  More and more folks get into firearms everyday, not vice-versa.

Pretty sad to see most of the answers from members of the world's greatest firearms website admit defeat and roll over and play dead (might as well literally be).  Get in the fight now, support grassroots efforts and groups like the NRA so that our children and their children can enjoy and understand one of the greatest freedoms: The right to keep and bear arms.  The Framers would be rolling over in their graves if they read the cowardly words of defeat previously posted here.

Sad.

--VT

Quoted: I think it may be fairly good come the next few decades. Reason I say that is because people are not hunting as much anymore. I know it sounds odd but its true. Their are someting like 80 million gun owners in the country and about 25 or so million hunting permits sold. So it isnt just hunters that own firearms. With Winchester closing down who made traditional hunting firearms and Smith and Wesson making an AR-15 you are starting to see a change in the market place. Its going from hunting to shooting. The AWB was one of the best things that happened to the preservation of firearm ownership. People realized that it did nothing and it increased sales before durring and after the ban. Look at the ammount of AR's sold post 1994. More people now own "tactical, assault and competition" style firearms and are going out and shooting them for the fun of it and the challenge insted of going hunting. I think if this trend continues we will have fewer firearm laws as people learn more from their friends that are into shooting.

That is something that is definetly something to meditate upon.

It is a good place to start for ANYONE that wants to make a change..... especially making a friend of someone who has kids and a big extented family... lots of cousins and such, so that not only do your kids learn the responsibility and value of firearm ownership, but your new-to-guns-friend and their kids learn it to.

Then everything is passed to the next generation, in even greater numbers!

Just today i saw the light turn on in a guys head as we were talking about gun control and the AWB bill that is trying to be passed in Illinois. I mentioned that the first gun control laws were created to keep black people from protecting themselves. I talked about "sporting' firearms, how that was also just a term to justify the same kind of gun control.

When he saw what i was saying, he was like.."Ah, wow, i didn't know that"

Now i don't expect that he is gonna go out and get a rifle and 2K of ammo tomorrow.. but i bet the next time he hears of some kind of gun law that will try to be passed, he will at least have that knowledge in the back of his mind and will see ,at least partly, the truth behind the lies.

Line upon line
Line upon line

Precept upon precept
Precept upon precept

Quoted: Quoted: 2010 Hitlery initates federal registration of guns and ammunition. 2020 All ammunition has serial numbers.   2030 Limits on ammunition, including type amd quantity 2040 Rolling stone play 16th farewell tour 2050 Complete ban on firearms.  Crime and violence is pandemic.  It's all the white man's fault.

Ain't that the horrible truth!!!

Quoted: We're all too fat and complacent to fight.  Our rights are eroded slowly enough for no one to really care.

Speak for yourself

How many people fought the "system" in NY, DC, CA and NJ?? Lemme guess. NONE.
Everyone will just roll over regardless of what they spout about here.
Oh sure, they'll say it was different there vs. "here". Yeah right.

Quoted: originally posted by Big_Louie They won't act on it. They probably won't even talk much about it, if at all. No one will do anything. This belief is what I'm betting will be the downfall of the great confiscation attempt of 20__.  More and more folks get into firearms everyday, not vice-versa. Pretty sad to see most of the answers from members of the world's greatest firearms website admit defeat and roll over and play dead (might as well literally be).  Get in the fight now, support grassroots efforts and groups like the NRA so that our children and their children can enjoy and understand one of the greatest freedoms: The right to keep and bear arms.  The Framers would be rolling over in their graves if they read the cowardly words of defeat previously posted here. Sad. --VT

You think this is bad, visit the Illinois forum some time. Most of them roll over and talk about how they are going to obey the annual AW ban bill every year, even though it never passes (thank you downstate conservative Dems!).

Quoted: Honestly, I think come 2050 there will be no net change in firearms laws.  Maybe a small net loss for us.  There probably won't be licensing by then.  Look how slowly things have changed over the past 50 years.  The gun grabbers have always been around and have been very active for the past 25 years.  They've really accomplished nothing.  We have more choices than we did 20 years ago as to what we want to buy.  Barring the C3 guys, of course.

+1

There may not be a revolution, per se.  Here is what I think will happen IF it gets to the point of large scale confiscation of certain types of firearms.

- Law is passed, ~90% of people ignore it.  We here on Arfcom are in the minority in that we actually knew about the AWB and obeyed it, for the most part.  Many gun owners didn't have a clue and just bought what they wanted.

-Several people are arrested that just didn't know about the law and took their banned weapon to the range where they were ratted out by a fellow gun owner.  Some of these innocent people will die as a result of no-knock raids.  Some federal LEO will die too.

-Gun owners who are serious about their rights, like us, will start preparing for the day that their home is raided.  Those people who have not already done so will begin preparing for a home invasion.  Somehow these people will be ratted out, most likely by what they thought were friends and family.  The friends and family watch the news every day and see the non-compliant gun owners demonized as cop-killers and potential terrorists so they do what they think is right.  Feds try a no-knock, end up with multiple LEO's killed.  Gun owner and his family are finally killed after a long and well-publicized stand-off (think Ruby Ridge 3 times a week but with even more tragic results).

-Gun owners, including Elmer Fudd types, and even anti-gunners start to see that something is wrong with what is happening.  After Ruby Ridge, a lot of people were highly upset with how the situation was handled.  Turn that into an all-the-time thing and people are really going to start making some noise.  Eventually, the press catches on and begins exposing the government and asking "WHY?".  The tide turns against the .gov and there are fewer raids.

-Congress takes another look at the law and decides it is not in the best interest of the country.  Mainly because of heavy ATF casualties, Congress decides that maybe it's just not worth it to take weapons away from honest citizens.  The law is repealed.  The majority of America loses all faith in the anti-gunners because they fucked up royally.  The Republicans win HUGE victories in the next string of Congressional elections and the Presidency.

-At the cost of many innocent lives, we get to keep what's left of our rights until they try again.  It will be a revolution, just not one like most people envision.


This is how I think it will happen.  YMMV

Quoted: I just don't want to die alone

The author sounds like an ignorant and neurotic idiot.

2010: Nearly no change, Supreme Court ruling dissolves the sporting purposes clause and things get slightly better for EBRs.

2020: Advances in low temperature sono-fusion cells with MHD coupling allow for power units the size of a deck of cards to produce 5 megawatts of power for 10 years between times when it's durated acetone fuel needs to be replenished. Due to this nearly all homes are now 'off the grid' power wise as well as the vast majority of cars now are electric and run on fusion cell. There are still a number of old 'ethanol burners' around but they are slowly disappearing.  In the gun culture this gives rise to the rail gun, coil gun, and adaptive optic pulse laser, favorer for a variety of reasons, but ultimately ammunition cost is the driving factor. Solid steel rail gun bolts are cheap, and light is free. As neither rail guns nor lasers are considered firearms or DDs by the ATF they are unregulated and attempts to legislate them are hopelessly bogged down in committee.

2030: First human landing on mars, expanding outpost on the moon. Petroleum products officially banned for use as a fuel in the United States. The USAFs GODS or Global Orbital Defense System goes online, a series of 144 heavily armored dual purpose recon and strike satellites in both equatorial and polar orbits. Armed with solid state lasers for anti-missile and anti-aircraft tasks and a 45mm rail gun and depleted uranium penetrates (so called god rods) for ground attack, the ICBM and bomber have been rendered obsolete.

2040: Nanotechnology has advanced to the point where most homes are now equipped with a central manufactory that is able to produce most products simply by specs downloaded from the internet. Only large items like cars and aircraft must be acquired outside the home. Now nehborhood assembly centers dot the landscape like car dealerships used to serve the needs of the public for personal aircraft and automobiles. Ford's River Rouge plant is now a museum to educate people on a time when 'factories' and 'factory workers' were a part of the American economy. Also the first baby is born on Mars. Terraforming efforts kick start because of the introduction of self replicating systems.

2050: Nano-medical treatments and enhancements now ubiquitous. Automatic scrubbing of the artery walls for plaque, the continuous reconstruction of muscle tissue, and the reattachment of telomerase on the DNA end caps end aging at a systemic and biochemical level. The explosion in life expectancy largely offsets the previous 20 years of negative birthrates. In the gun community medical nanotech offers some interesting options as many decide to have subdermal industrial diamond plates assembled, while this armor is very effective it is unperceivable to both the recipient and the outside world. Also retinal implants and ballistics coprocessors completely change the face of long range competition shooting, which is now done at one and two kilometer ranges with the average group size being less then a centimeter. The US has adopted the metric system and Canada has been largely absorber into the US after the western provinces seceded and petition for state hood. The first space elevator landing on an island on the equator flooding the market with cheap strategic metals mined from asteroids, and now a full 26,000 live and work in space. Not only is gun ownership more common now then at the turn of the century a whole variety of firearms can be produced, even customized on your laptop then produced in your basement out of nanites and fab slurry.

We will continue to own guns until the military finds a valid replacement for them.  That replacement will not be allowed for civilian use even though the second says "arms" not firearms.

2025 Laser or plasma weapons become viable and man portable.
2026 SCOTUS determines the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to them because the founders didn't know about them...  (even though a computer can be used for the 1st amendment)
2030 Military switches completely to them
2031 congress uses the commerce clause to inflict a 2000% tax on firearms, gun powder and bullets
2032 conventional gun makers shut down.
2040 only those with black powder guns that make their own powder can still own funtioning guns.

I agree with the post above.

Eventually (not for a LONG time), the military will find a replacement.  We sure as hell won't ever own one, though.

In these threads I seem to be one of the few optimistic ones, jeez, lol

Quoted: In these threads I seem to be one of the few optimistic ones, jeez, lol

I'm optimistic about the way things are going.

My post above was just speculation as to what would happen if/when Democrats get control of the presidency and congress again.

As for how things are going right now, I don't see any new legislation on the horizon.  Actually, I think there will be a few positive things happening for us before much longer, i.e. nationwide CCW.

WIMPS How about this

2010- Almost a complete ban on all guns and partial confiscation





2020- TSHTF all the anti gun people come running to ARFCOM members to save their asses





2030- ARMCOM members have formed an army that defeats the insurgent forces and saves the tree huggin tofu fartin anti gun anti stand up for yourself burry your head in the sand wusses. The new ARFCOM coalition even save the US armed forces as there weapons were taken away and soldiers replaced with peacefull negotiators that all were decapitated instantly while holding hands and singing cumbiya (or however you spell that).





2040- All gun laws restored and basic human and individual rights to live freely without tyriny are written ino the NEW constitution. Extreemly stiff laws on crime are implemented (based on TEXAS law) Crime in the US drops to an all time low. Law abiding citizens can carry guns and enjoy any freedom they wish as long as they do not hurt others. ARFCOM gov implements free beer program with much success.





2050- I am so old that the only thing that matters is a comfotable pair of pants. (that works with my holster)

Now why cant it be like this. What are you guys afraid of. Is it DiFi does she scare you???
Please excuse any spelling or grammer I dont feel like making corrections.

Thank you drive thru

I don't think it is as bleak as some of y'all make it out too be.  More and more people are owning guns or at least tolerate gun ownership.  Look, most states now have very liberal laws regarding CCW's.  That wasn't possible even 20 years ago.  States now are adobting non-retreat laws.  We are winning!  Lets act like it.

I don't know, but my personal solution is to invite anybody I can think to invite to go shooting with me, explaining how for me the mental discipline is as calming as their yoga / golf / whatever.


Have you taken a new shooter to a range with you this year?