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Posted: 2/3/2006 5:07:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/3/2006 5:08:59 PM EDT by KlubMarcus]
Oh man. NBC Dateline is busting pedophiles on camera with Perverted Justice, and they've got the JBT's on standby to run 'em down and arrest them right on camera!
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 5:08:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 5:09:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul: Yeah but at least in this episode filmed in Riverside county the police are actually arresting the perverts and jailing them. In the last episode they just let them go.
Really?!?!
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 5:23:41 PM EDT
bump.

Some sick mofos (and some of them using the web site of the devil - myspace.com!)
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 5:34:01 PM EDT
Are they just doing this to pat themselves on the back for being "concerned broadcast journalists" , or are they paying attention to the details that will allow prosecutors to actually get a conviction?
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 5:34:02 PM EDT
What is a matter with those idiots? sick
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 5:36:05 PM EDT
The hell with arrest, a simple shot to the head will do.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 5:37:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/3/2006 5:43:58 PM EDT by dolanp]
LOL I was about to post this same thread. This is just freaky man.

eta: A federal agent with Homeland Security!
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 5:43:52 PM EDT
Active Duty - Homeland Security?

Damn!
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 5:53:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:
The hell with arrest, a simple shot to the head will do.



That's a little drastic. They should try some therapy first.

Aluminum bat therapy.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 5:56:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By xxTAPxx:
Active Duty - Homeland Security?

Damn!



Can we bash pedophiles here? I wouldn't want to get banned for bashing the protected group du jour.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 5:56:15 PM EDT
Hell yeah, I didn't see this thread and started my own. Good Job from dateline. hope they catch and lock up all of these fucksticks.

Did you see the investigator for the Dept of homeland security. Unreal that SOB could get into the ranks.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 5:56:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/3/2006 5:56:52 PM EDT by ScaryGuy]

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:
The hell with arrest, a simple shot to the head will do.



That's a little drastic. They should try some therapy first.

Aluminum bat therapy.



You Almost had me till I scrolled down.
SG
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 6:30:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ScaryGuy:

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:
The hell with arrest, a simple shot to the head will do.



That's a little drastic. They should try some therapy first.

Aluminum bat therapy.



You Almost had me till I scrolled down.
SG






I believe therapy could work...or at least be enjoyable for the ones administering it.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 6:32:53 PM EDT
Where can I download this?
I dont get dateline over here...
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 6:34:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By ScaryGuy:

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By eodtech2000:
The hell with arrest, a simple shot to the head will do.



That's a little drastic. They should try some therapy first.

Aluminum bat therapy.



You Almost had me till I scrolled down.
SG






I believe therapy could work...or at least be enjoyable for the ones administering it.



Us fathers of little girls get first dibs on bat therapy.
Ya'll can have whatever is left.

Jim
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 6:34:27 PM EDT
Not sure you can. I'm looking around and don't see any webcast NBC dateline. sorry man
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 6:45:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By XJ:
Are they just doing this to pat themselves on the back for being "concerned broadcast journalists" , or are they paying attention to the details that will allow prosecutors to actually get a conviction?



They have the copies from the chat rooms. They dont have a chance in court. This needs to be done more often.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 6:48:06 PM EDT
OMG, the story about the guy who raped 9 y/o girl and her two brothers, one of whom is 'mentally challenged'.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 7:02:53 PM EDT
Some of the male pedophiles were going after 13 yr. boys, and they had erection pills. One of the losers started crying in front of the cops.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 7:05:48 PM EDT
One of the guys who started crying was a actor in several well known movies. He is not famous but his crying was a bunch of bullshit.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 7:07:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tanam:
One of the guys who started crying was a actor in several well known movies. He is not famous but his crying was a bunch of bullshit.



from the sound of it he was basically an extra.

hopefully all of them are getting some 'action' in prison right now.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 7:09:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KlubMarcus:
Some of the male pedophiles were going after 13 yr. boys, and they had erection pills. One of the losers started crying in front of the cops.



If he really likes young boys, why does he need an erection pill?
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 7:12:42 PM EDT

Who was the guy that they didn't arrest and let go?

The homeland security guy?
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 7:13:18 PM EDT
The liberals will be sure to let these guys off easy, after all it isn't there fault... it is the internet and movies that are evil and make them do things like this

I say they should have had these guys come to an AR15 meet...
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 7:17:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By lippo:
Who was the guy that they didn't arrest and let go?

The homeland security guy?



He came with the guy who was talking to the women over the comp. I guess he never talked to her,thats why he was let go. Kinda hard to imagine he didnt know what was going on.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 7:26:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tanam:

Originally Posted By lippo:
Who was the guy that they didn't arrest and let go?

The homeland security guy?



He came with the guy who was talking to the women over the comp. I guess he never talked to her,thats why he was let go. Kinda hard to imagine he didnt know what was going on.




Shakes head, Why am I not suprised.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 7:30:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By Tanam:
One of the guys who started crying was a actor in several well known movies. He is not famous but his crying was a bunch of bullshit.



from the sound of it he was basically an extra.

hopefully all of them are getting some 'action' in prison right now.



They said he was in godzilla and a few others I can't recall.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 7:33:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By unkempt1:

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By Tanam:
One of the guys who started crying was a actor in several well known movies. He is not famous but his crying was a bunch of bullshit.



from the sound of it he was basically an extra.

hopefully all of them are getting some 'action' in prison right now.



They said he was in godzilla and a few others I can't recall.



godzilla, pearl harbor, something else.

but nothing major - just one of the guys who are in the background, not anythign with a speaking role.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 7:42:44 PM EDT
If they can catch 50 losers in 3 days, what says "someone" can't catch the same amount in 4 days. It would have been tough to be the host guy and not want to put some hurt on those freaks.

I guess I was really suprised at the amount of losers they could get in such a short period of time.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 7:58:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By unkempt1:

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By Tanam:
One of the guys who started crying was a actor in several well known movies. He is not famous but his crying was a bunch of bullshit.



from the sound of it he was basically an extra.

hopefully all of them are getting some 'action' in prison right now.



They said he was in godzilla and a few others I can't recall.



godzilla, pearl harbor, something else.

but nothing major - just one of the guys who are in the background, not anythign with a speaking role.



the other one was some chick flick I believe, but who knows LOL.
I was an extra when I was a kid it was pretty fun.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 8:02:40 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/3/2006 8:04:44 PM EDT by Paul]
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 8:21:39 PM EDT
I'd like to see some "Rodney King" action on these guys.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 9:18:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By numbers:
If they can catch 50 losers in 3 days, what says "someone" can't catch the same amount in 4 days. It would have been tough to be the host guy and not want to put some hurt on those freaks.

I guess I was really suprised at the amount of losers they could get in such a short period of time.



What about all the ones they don't catch?
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 9:20:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Silesius: I'd like to see some "Rodney King" action on these guys.
Bring out the gimp.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 9:26:55 PM EDT
I dont know anything about MySpace, but if find this shit a bit creepy:

Link Posted: 2/3/2006 10:32:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/3/2006 10:34:17 PM EDT by PaDanby]

Originally Posted By lippo:
Who was the guy that they didn't arrest and let go?

The homeland security guy?



Pretty sure it was the tag along (young hispanic looking "kid", no the Homeland guy, they were reaming him pretty good when we flipped to the real news) who went with his buddy and apparently was quite up to speed on all the little details on the date his buddy arranged. Now would that be an OH SHIT!

As far as dotting I's and crossing T's, them showing up is the final thing to nail the case.
Link Posted: 2/3/2006 10:48:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Paul:

Originally Posted By pv74:
Where can I download this?
I dont get dateline over here...



It's on AFN Korea

myafn.dodmedia.osd.mil/tv/schedule/index.asp

Type in your time zone, click search and then search for NBC Dateline



It's on at 8 PM on AFN news...

Didnt know AFN carried it...thanks!

Link Posted: 2/4/2006 5:32:17 AM EDT
I am all for catching pedophiles and when convicted, castrating +life in prison or death penalty.

That said, the segment seems like entrapment, or at least skirting the edge of of entrapment or in a gray area of entrapment.

First- it was done over an anonamous media where most people misrepresent themselves. It's understood that probably at least 75% of what people say about themselves in blogs/myspace/match.com/dating sites/etc are lies. How many men have posted as women here for attention? How many people in chat rooms or on dating sites say they are a 5'6" 115pound gorgeous woman when in fact they are 5'3, 300 pounds and may be a man?

Second- it wasn't a 12 or 13 year old talking to the people that were arrested. The ones shown looked to be mid 20's to late 30's.

Third: How did the discussions on the internet begin? Did the suspect message them first, was he the one who started talking of sex, did the person playing at being a 12 year old lead them on or lead them to the discussion, and others.

Fourth: Will they even be put on a sex offendor registry? They were arrested for "attempted child abuse" or something that was listed as a felony. Most will be plead down, out of all probability and will involve minimum jail time or probation.

Link Posted: 2/4/2006 7:12:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dance:
I am all for catching pedophiles and when convicted, castrating +life in prison or death penalty.

That said, the segment seems like entrapment, or at least skirting the edge of of entrapment or in a gray area of entrapment.

First- it was done over an anonamous media where most people misrepresent themselves. It's understood that probably at least 75% of what people say about themselves in blogs/myspace/match.com/dating sites/etc are lies. How many men have posted as women here for attention? How many people in chat rooms or on dating sites say they are a 5'6" 115pound gorgeous woman when in fact they are 5'3, 300 pounds and may be a man?

Second- it wasn't a 12 or 13 year old talking to the people that were arrested. The ones shown looked to be mid 20's to late 30's.

Third: How did the discussions on the internet begin? Did the suspect message them first, was he the one who started talking of sex, did the person playing at being a 12 year old lead them on or lead them to the discussion, and others.

Fourth: Will they even be put on a sex offendor registry? They were arrested for "attempted child abuse" or something that was listed as a felony. Most will be plead down, out of all probability and will involve minimum jail time or probation.



1. It's not entrapment. The pervs contacted them first, of their own volition.

2. They made it pretty obvious it was a 13 year old boy / girl. The pictures posted on their site (why the pervs initiated contact) and they gave their age. Plus other parts of the documented conversation showed they knew / wanted this as well.

3. The actual age of the person 'acting' as the 13 year old girl doesn't matter, the intent / actions of the perv does. Just like you don't ned to have 100 lbs of real cocaine when you're doing a sting for people bying 100lbs of cocaine, and you don't have to go through with a real 'hit' when you're doing an undercover sting of a person that tried to put a hit out on someone else. As long as you can document their intent and action towards a crime, you can prove the crime.

4. The DA said everyone will get some jail or prison time.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 7:41:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dance:
I am all for catching pedophiles and when convicted, castrating +life in prison or death penalty.

That said, the segment seems like entrapment, or at least skirting the edge of of entrapment or in a gray area of entrapment.

First- it was done over an anonamous media where most people misrepresent themselves. It's understood that probably at least 75% of what people say about themselves in blogs/myspace/match.com/dating sites/etc are lies. How many men have posted as women here for attention? How many people in chat rooms or on dating sites say they are a 5'6" 115pound gorgeous woman when in fact they are 5'3, 300 pounds and may be a man?

Second- it wasn't a 12 or 13 year old talking to the people that were arrested. The ones shown looked to be mid 20's to late 30's.

Third: How did the discussions on the internet begin? Did the suspect message them first, was he the one who started talking of sex, did the person playing at being a 12 year old lead them on or lead them to the discussion, and others.

Fourth: Will they even be put on a sex offendor registry? They were arrested for "attempted child abuse" or something that was listed as a felony. Most will be plead down, out of all probability and will involve minimum jail time or probation.




sending a minor (posing minors)a pic of your package is a felony in and of itself isn't it?
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 10:06:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Dance: That said, the segment seems like entrapment, or at least skirting the edge of of entrapment or in a gray area of entrapment.
Nah, adults are always willing to show up at a stranger's house on a Friday to meet 13 year old boys/girls from the Internet. C'mon now, let's drop this "big brother/entrapment" crap. Those punks were looking to commit heinous crimes on children.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 10:15:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By bastiat:

1. It's not entrapment. The pervs contacted them first, of their own volition.

2. They made it pretty obvious it was a 13 year old boy / girl. The pictures posted on their site (why the pervs initiated contact) and they gave their age. Plus other parts of the documented conversation showed they knew / wanted this as well.

3. The actual age of the person 'acting' as the 13 year old girl doesn't matter, the intent / actions of the perv does. Just like you don't ned to have 100 lbs of real cocaine when you're doing a sting for people bying 100lbs of cocaine, and you don't have to go through with a real 'hit' when you're doing an undercover sting of a person that tried to put a hit out on someone else. As long as you can document their intent and action towards a crime, you can prove the crime.

4. The DA said everyone will get some jail or prison time.



+1

Sorry, Dance. While you are usually spot on with your posts, you are waaaaaay off on this one.

I'm married so I don't look for women anyway, but if I wasn't, I certainly wouldn't set up a meeting with someone who wasn't of comparable age. A 13 year-old? Come on. Even if the 'girl' contacted the men first, I still wouldn't consider it entrapment. That is implying that your average man would have sex with a 13 year-old. Would you buy a pound of cocaine for $200? Of course not. While it is an awesome deal, it's illegal and stupid.
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 10:19:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/4/2006 10:19:46 AM EDT by bastiat]
Did anyone notice the perverted justice guys had one of the pervs bring pie!???

Here's how the report would go in a pefect world:

Reporter: "let's see, you brought pie, mike's hard lemonade, condoms, lube, and viagra to meet a 13 year old girl who was home alone."

Perv: "Uh, it was a mistake...I was just driving by...uh, I was just going to talk to her..I was trying to teach her a lesson...uhh..."

Reporter: "Well, that sounds like a valid reason. Now if you'll just step into this room where we have 3 fathers waiting with baseball bats, we can get on to the second portion of our 'interview'."

Link Posted: 2/4/2006 11:06:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By C-4:

Sorry, Dance. While you are usually spot on with your posts, you are waaaaaay off on this one.

I'm married so I don't look for women anyway, but if I wasn't, I certainly wouldn't set up a meeting with someone who wasn't of comparable age. A 13 year-old? Come on. Even if the 'girl' contacted the men first, I still wouldn't consider it entrapment. That is implying that your average man would have sex with a 13 year-old. Would you buy a pound of cocaine for $200? Of course not. While it is an awesome deal, it's illegal and stupid.



I agree with the arrests, it's the methods that were used to arrive at the arrests I was interested in. That's what the questions I had were aimed at, as different states have different laws about entrapment.

Let me give an example of what I remember from here in PA (which is fuzzy)- For soliciting a prostitute charge, if the police are running a sting with police acting as the prostitute the "John" needs to bring up the act and the price. If the "prostitute" talks to him and says "I will give you a BJ for $20" it would be entrapment. So the "prostitute" will say something like "What are you interested in?" and the "John" will reply with the sexual act he wants. Then the "prostitute" will say something like "How much money do you want to spend?". When the "John" answers he is busted.

Link Posted: 2/4/2006 12:35:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dance:

Originally Posted By C-4:

Sorry, Dance. While you are usually spot on with your posts, you are waaaaaay off on this one.

I'm married so I don't look for women anyway, but if I wasn't, I certainly wouldn't set up a meeting with someone who wasn't of comparable age. A 13 year-old? Come on. Even if the 'girl' contacted the men first, I still wouldn't consider it entrapment. That is implying that your average man would have sex with a 13 year-old. Would you buy a pound of cocaine for $200? Of course not. While it is an awesome deal, it's illegal and stupid.



I agree with the arrests, it's the methods that were used to arrive at the arrests I was interested in. That's what the questions I had were aimed at, as different states have different laws about entrapment.

Let me give an example of what I remember from here in PA (which is fuzzy)- For soliciting a prostitute charge, if the police are running a sting with police acting as the prostitute the "John" needs to bring up the act and the price. If the "prostitute" talks to him and says "I will give you a BJ for $20" it would be entrapment. So the "prostitute" will say something like "What are you interested in?" and the "John" will reply with the sexual act he wants. Then the "prostitute" will say something like "How much money do you want to spend?". When the "John" answers he is busted.




those caught brought up sex with minors online after knowing them as 12-13 yr olds.

Link Posted: 2/4/2006 3:06:18 PM EDT
Being rebroadcast on MSNBC now
Link Posted: 2/4/2006 5:13:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By VoodooChile:
Being rebroadcast on MSNBC now




That is so disturbing and frightening that I stopped watching it.


If they can catch THAT many people that easily, the mind boggles at how many of these sick fucks are out there - who are emailing REAL 13-year old girls. And those are just the ones who don't have access to little kids (unlike the ones molesting their stepkids, or their own kids).




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