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Posted: 2/1/2006 12:45:01 PM EDT

You guys need to fix the http record for the AR15.com domain name.

www record points fine but the http record takes you to a "site down for repairs" message.

It's been like that all week.

It would help those of us that don't use favorites( I don't know why I don't) to get to their favor sites.

THX
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 12:47:31 PM EDT
You could try asking nicely instead of demanding? Or at least get a team membership before ordering people around?
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 12:47:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 12:51:31 PM EDT by falaholic1]
www.ar15.com is a CNAME for ar15.com

www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup.ch?name=www.ar15.com&type=CNAME

Looks like you need to clean out temp files.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 12:48:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 12:49:37 PM EDT by QShok]
goto down for repair page then shift-F5 or shift-left click reload

Works for me.

Shok
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 12:51:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By falaholic1:
www.ar15.com is a CNAME for ar15.com

www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup.ch?name=www.ar15.com&type=CNAME



OK great.

Now how about getting the http record pointing the right direction.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 12:51:44 PM EDT
Repair page?
Coulkd you help me out with that one.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 12:52:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:
You could try asking nicely instead of demanding? Or at least get a team membership before ordering people around?



Well as much as I made it sound like a favor to me, they need to do it for the sites own good.

Do you disagree?

Link Posted: 2/1/2006 12:53:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:

Originally Posted By roboman:
You could try asking nicely instead of demanding? Or at least get a team membership before ordering people around?



Well as much as I made it sound like a favor to me, they need to do it for the sites own good.

Do you disagree?




Seems to be working fine for the majority of the users.....could always be a problem on your end....
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 12:56:49 PM EDT
wtf is an http record?
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:03:07 PM EDT
Have you tried submitting a request in the Tech Support forum?
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:04:49 PM EDT
Use your hosts file on your computer then you dont need dns to look it up, as long as the ip address doesnt change.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:09:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 1:11:12 PM EDT by Nimrod1193]
The same thing happened to me a while ago with the ar15.com domain name. Jobrelatedstuff.com just started doing the same thing about a week ago, so it's not just him.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:18:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 1:18:26 PM EDT by SHIVAN]
I've been getting random DNS erorrs on this site for about a month. I kept asking about in the Team forum and no one else chimed in, so I figured nobody else was noticing it yet.

Now I am getting them more and more frequently.

I get NO DNS ERRORS on any other site. None. At all.

I had one of my computer nerds here surf the site, and he says that it looks like one of the secondary servers, like a photo host, or ad host, or something is causing page load timeouts and DNS errors.

He said it looked "load" related. When user levels got to 6000+++ they started happening more frequently.

FWIW....
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:19:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By torstin:
wtf is an http record?



No shit.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:20:16 PM EDT
mmmmmmmmm...ok.

Your wish is my command.

Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:20:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By torstin:
wtf is an http record?



+1
I have written DNS utilities. Never heard of an HTTP record

-Foxxz
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:22:21 PM EDT
If you're the only one experiencing it the problem is usually you. Sorry.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:27:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SHIVAN:
I've been getting random DNS erorrs on this site for about a month. I kept asking about in the Team forum and no one else chimed in, so I figured nobody else was noticing it yet.

Now I am getting them more and more frequently.

I get NO DNS ERRORS on any other site. None. At all.

I had one of my computer nerds here surf the site, and he says that it looks like one of the secondary servers, like a photo host, or ad host, or something is causing page load timeouts and DNS errors.

He said it looked "load" related. When user levels got to 6000+++ they started happening more frequently.

FWIW....



I have had the exact same issue for months.
If I reload the page, I can usually bring it up...sometimes I need to refresh twice.
Never happens on any other sites....just this one. I gave up trying to figure out since I am convinced the problem isnt on this end. (unless my old PC is just too slow to keep up any more)
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:31:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 1:35:33 PM EDT by MillerSHO]
Don't be assholes guys, you computer guys know exactly wtf I'm talking about.

An http record(pointer, whatever) would be the pointer in your domain name space that tells an http request within the ar15.com domain where to go.

In this case it seems to be pointing to the "repair" page which tells me that the cost value in the HTTP record is incorrect, at least this is my guess.


Hitting "reload" while on that repair page did in fact bring the home page up so thanks for that tip.

Very strange though.

Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:34:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
An http record(pointer, whatever) would be the pointer in your domain name space that tells an http request within the ar15.com domain where to go.

In this case it seems to be pointing to the "repair" page which tells me that the cost value in the HTTP record is incorrect, at least this is my guess.


Hitting "reload" while on that repair page did in fact bring the home page up so thanks for that tip.

Very strange though.




Uh, no.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:34:45 PM EDT
where is the bunny with the pancake or samson
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:35:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 1:36:55 PM EDT by MillerSHO]

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
An http record(pointer, whatever) would be the pointer in your domain name space that tells an http request within the ar15.com domain where to go.

In this case it seems to be pointing to the "repair" page which tells me that the cost value in the HTTP record is incorrect, at least this is my guess.


Hitting "reload" while on that repair page did in fact bring the home page up so thanks for that tip.

Very strange though.




Uh, no.



Are you beating around the bush?

Please say whats on your mind.

BTW I take back what I said about the cost value.

For the first time in 3 days http://ar15.com came up on the first try.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:36:08 PM EDT
Your browser was just using its cache.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:36:27 PM EDT
688 has a bunny also?
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:37:33 PM EDT

An http record(pointer, whatever) would be the pointer in your domain name space that tells an http request within the ar15.com where to go.

I've managed DNS servers for almost 17 years and there is no such thing. It sounds like someone is just feeding you a load of crap to get rid of you.z
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:37:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 1:38:19 PM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:37:45 PM EDT
There on to us! I repeat the chicken has met the squirrel .

Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:37:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dolanp:
Your browser was just using its cache.



Looking back that is possible.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:37:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
Don't be assholes guys, you computer guys know exactly wtf I'm talking about.

An http record(pointer, whatever) would be the pointer in your domain name space that tells an http request within the ar15.com domain where to go.

In this case it seems to be pointing to the "repair" page which tells me that the cost value in the HTTP record is incorrect, at least this is my guess.


Hitting "reload" while on that repair page did in fact bring the home page up so thanks for that tip.

Very strange though.




There is no such thing. Sorry.



-Foxxz
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:38:39 PM EDT
OK, so I guess there isn't MX records in domain names either.

Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:39:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 1:39:46 PM EDT by NimmerMehr]
> set type=mx
> www.ar15.com


Non-authoritative answer:
www.ar15.com canonical name = ar15.com
ar15.com MX preference = 30, mail exchanger = mail.ar15.com
ar15.com MX preference = 10, mail exchanger = mail.ar15.com
ar15.com MX preference = 20, mail exchanger = mail.ar15.com

mail.ar15.com internet address = 216.91.17.154
mail.ar15.com internet address = 216.91.17.154
mail.ar15.com internet address = 216.91.17.154




If one fails.. use the same one. If THAT one fails, still use the same one?
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:40:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:40:41 PM EDT
I will give you another possibility. An upstream DNS server is misconfigured to keep overly old cached DNS records. OR the DNS serial number was not properly incremented. That is, if DNS needs changed AT ALL to redirect to a maint. page, which I dont see why DNS would need changed at all. It would be a simple webserver config change to bring up the maint. page instead of the regular site.

-Foxxz
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:40:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
OK, so I guess there isn't MX records in domain names either.




Types of DNS records:

Address Records (A)
Canonical Name Records (CNAME)
Mail Exchange Records (MX)
Pointer Records (PTR)
Nameserver Records (NS)
Start Of Authority Records (SOA)
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:41:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
OK, so I guess there isn't MX records in domain names either.



There is not and can not be for the domain name you mentioned since it's a CNAME.z
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:41:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 1:45:05 PM EDT by MillerSHO]
My point is you have to point http or www to an IP within your domain name.

From what I'm being told here, what I'm saying doesn't exist even though I call my cusotmers ISP's all the time to update those records if we move websites to new locations what not but I'm assume I'm able to do that because those are A records?

BTW, http://ar15.com is working everytime now all because I hit "refresh page" once while on that repair page.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:46:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
My point is you have to point http or www to an IP within your domain name.

From what I'm being told here, what I'm saying doesn't exist even though I call my cusotmers ISP's all the time to update those records if we move websites to new locations what not.



HTTP is protocol for comminucation to and from an IP address, traditionaly on TCP port 80. If you have a domain name and no IP address, you look up the domain name's DNS A record to get the IP address.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:47:21 PM EDT
OK so help me out here guys.

www.ar15.com is a cname, but don't cnames have to have an A record to start with?
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:48:04 PM EDT
I got some random errors here this last week. Not getting them now but can't remember what action was causing them so I don't know if the problem still exists. Think it had something to do with trying to go to a place in my historical browsing .....
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:48:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 1:52:38 PM EDT by Foxxz]
(rough) Definitions


Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
OK, so I guess there isn't MX records in domain names either.




Types of DNS records:

Address Records (A) simple hostname to IP mapping
Canonical Name Records (CNAME) hostname to hostname mapping
Mail Exchange Records (MX) mailservers
Pointer Records (PTR) reverse DNS (IP to hostname)
Nameserver Records (NS) nameservers
Start Of Authority Records (SOA) Server authority for domain



Continued:
TXT: Just information or text for a hostname
A6/AAAA: hostname to IPv6 map
HINFO: host info (os, hardware)

There are a few others but they arent used much or are obselete. No http records though. Closest thing might be an SRV record.

-Foxxz
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:51:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
OK so help me out here guys.

www.ar15.com is a cname, but don't cnames have to have an A record to start with?



a CNAME is an alias basically. It says for this host www.ar15.com look up the IP for ar15.com

www.ar15.com -> ar15.com
ar15.com -> 69.95.2.67

-Foxxz
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:52:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 1:57:25 PM EDT by MillerSHO]
OK I get it now. thx guys.

The whole time I've been calling the http and www entries "records" when the exact term would have been cname.

What's funny is I've always called them records and not one person at any ISP has ever corrected me and they always knew what I was talking.

In the end I started to get mad with you guys cause you know wtf I'm talking about but since it is the internet I understand that 75% of the people on the web live to correct the next guy but I'm happy it worked out that way this time.

I was able to learn something from it.

THX again.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:53:29 PM EDT
give ipconfig /flushdns a try.. Aside from a few slowness issues avery now and then the site have been working perfectly for me for the last few months.

Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:54:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
Right, my term was off.

My version of an "http record" would have been the A record for http.



If the A record was incorrect none of us would have been able to complain

DNS changes shouldn't/aren't made too often as DNS caches can make the switch painful.

-Foxxz
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 1:58:36 PM EDT
Ya 24-48 hours to replicate sucks.

I usually schedule them on late fridays and it works well for me.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 2:02:09 PM EDT
I don't know if it is related to this issue or not, but I encounter delays 2 out of every 3 times (on average) I try to refresh a page or open a new thread. At first I tried waiting it out, but I eventually get a timeout message. So now I stop the page load after a few seconds and try again. It usually works by the 3rd retry. This has been happening for over a month now. The status indicator on the bottom left of my Firefox screen says "waiting for ar15.com" so I don't think it is a DNS issue or I would be getting a "looking for ar15.com" message.

This is happening on all three computers in my house, and it is only happening with Arfcom. Anyone else having this same problem?
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 2:03:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MillerSHO:
OK I get it now. thx guys.

The whole time I've been calling the http and www entries "records" when the exact term would have been cname.



Well, not quite. Close though.

"http" is only a record if somebody actually creates one, i.e. http.ar15.com (nearly unheard of). "www" might be an A record, or it could be a CNAME. The two are not interchangable. Not everybody uses CNAME records.

Link Posted: 2/1/2006 2:03:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 2:04:36 PM EDT by MillerSHO]

Originally Posted By Dilbert_556:
I don't know if it is related to this issue or not, but I encounter delays 2 out of every 3 times (on average) I try to refresh a page or open a new thread. At first I tried waiting it out, but I eventually get a timeout message. So now I stop the page load after a few seconds and try again. It usually works by the 3rd retry. This has been happening for over a month now. The status indicator on the bottom left of my Firefox screen says "waiting for ar15.com" so I don't think it is a DNS issue or I would be getting a "looking for ar15.com" message.

This is happening on all three computers in my house, and it is only happening with Arfcom. Anyone else having this same problem?



Every now and then but not as bad as you seem to get it.

Could it be that the ar15.com network is low on server power or bandwidth again?

Looks like I need to do my part and get some money to mr. goatboy.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 2:06:04 PM EDT
My IP fu is weak indeed, but I can say the site has been acting weird for several weeks now.
Link Posted: 2/1/2006 2:10:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/1/2006 2:15:02 PM EDT by MillerSHO]

SubnetMask "http" is only a record if somebody actually creates one, i.e. http.ar15.com (nearly unheard of).
"www" might be an A record, or it could be a CNAME. The two are not interchangable. Not everybody uses CNAME records.



AHHHH I get it.

I understand that if I create a "record" (actually called an A record)it's part of the domain as a prefix, I.E. www.ar15.com or mail.ar15.com but where does the http:// fit into all of this then?

THX alot btw fellows

Also to brush up, a cname is a alias that points to an orgin?

So instead of creating an A record for www, I could just create a cname that points to the respective loation?



Link Posted: 2/1/2006 2:20:58 PM EDT

where does the http:// fit into all of this then?

It doesn't fit anywhere into DNS. That's the point several people have been trying to make. DNS only deals with domain names and host names. That's the part between the // and the first /. When talking about DNS issues, if you mention the word URL, browser, or http://, then it usually means you're not talking about a DNS issue but instead a problem with your browser.z
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