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Posted: 1/31/2006 2:38:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2006 2:41:35 PM EDT
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Ah another version of crapola with ALL NEW SECURITY holes.
I wonder what NEW FEATURES it has that allow hackers to hijack my computer with. I could go on and on and on....... 
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Posted: 1/31/2006 2:41:38 PM EDT
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Give us some input. What do you like about it? |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 2:46:41 PM EDT
[#3]
 It is nice you are clairvoyant and can know things about a product without having used it. I have been using the Beat 1 release of IE 7 for several months and there is no doubt it is less susceptible to spyware than anything out right now, certainly better than Firefox... but it is SLOW. If MS has managed to speed things up in this Beta 2 release it will be a winner. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 6:37:45 PM EDT
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beta 2 is very speedy. so far only a minor bug here and there, all pages display correctly. had one crash though. But I like it, the speed of IE with the tabs of firefox. It also has a nicer looking GUI.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 6:39:24 PM EDT
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Does it completely remove IE6 or can you run both on the same machine? If it removes 6, can you remove 7 beta and go back to 6 easily?
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Posted: 1/31/2006 6:40:00 PM EDT
[#6]
If it has directx I'll pass.
Dennis Jenkins
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Posted: 1/31/2006 6:40:00 PM EDT
[#7]
Tag for home.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 6:40:14 PM EDT
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i would be willing to try it on one of my "junk" bench machines.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 6:41:33 PM EDT
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IE 6 built into your OS. I dont see it removing it completely. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 6:42:35 PM EDT
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Danger Will Robinson Danger.
Since using Windows 2 I haven't seen Microsoft release a product that was worth at verision x.0 this might be the very first time over their hundreds of software releases or it might be a good product.  I'll stick with Opera and Firefox and wonder what spyware is. 
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Posted: 1/31/2006 6:44:59 PM EDT
[#11]
Cool. I like Firefox, but if IE had tabbed browsing...
ETA: Guess not. It wants SP2, and that is of the devil. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 6:46:47 PM EDT
[#12]
Wheeeeeeeee! Security flaws!
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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:07:51 PM EDT
[#13]
I think it's pretty cool so far. tabbed browsing, search toolbar on the address bar, anti-phishing filter, even better pop-up blocker.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:08:18 PM EDT
[#14]
Another Mickeysoft product.
No thanks! |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:13:11 PM EDT
[#15]
AMEN. How long until MS wises up and finally gets rid of that crap? |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:15:12 PM EDT
[#16]
Beta test a Microsoft product?
why not play Russian Roulette with a Glock? |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:16:17 PM EDT
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I'm drinking the cool-aid. And it's goooood.
 ETA: Tinfoil is cheap; everyone should buy some. 
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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:16:59 PM EDT
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Requires SP2, eh? I guess I'll have to pass for now. Still waiting to install it on my home machine.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:17:52 PM EDT
[#19]
SP2 is fine. Unless you install it on a system infected with all kinds of crap. I install SP2 on 5-7 comnputers a day. I have yet to have a problem. I tink all the horror stories are from people who take crappy care of thier computers and no fix in the world will alleviate their computer issues. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:28:10 PM EDT
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Not installing sp2 because it's "buggy" is like not putting oil in your car because it makes blue smoke.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 7:29:37 PM EDT
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complaining about the security flaws in IE and not running Service Pack 2 is like disinfecting your forehead and then drilling a hole through it. Pre-SP2 has a lot of security flaws that can be exploited without even using IE.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:03:29 PM EDT
[#22]
Good riddance firefox! |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:05:21 PM EDT
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It's ActiveX, actually. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:14:47 PM EDT
[#24]
But it's the new improved security holes!
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:17:52 PM EDT
[#25]
Correct....don't know why I didn't catch it when I quoted it. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:19:14 PM EDT
[#26]
Oh quick! Let me run out and download some beta brownware.
Why not? It's been at least six months since I had to fdisk this box. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:24:52 PM EDT
[#27]
tag
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:25:41 PM EDT
[#28]
Good for you. Now install it on one that uses VPN, and report back. And no, KB884020 does not clear all the issues. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:26:41 PM EDT
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I downloaded it.
What a piece of shit. It won't even let me get to my homepage without first warning me that my browser settings are a problem. I am looking for the uninstall. But of of course, I am expecting too much from MS. Who would ever want to uninstall one of their enlightened, illustrious, bleeding edge, copies of software. Prepare to be assimilated. Back to Firefox for me. DanM |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:33:12 PM EDT
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The cisco vpn client works fine with SP2... it just broke citrix, JDE and about a half dozen java web apps... and notes... and novell... and Altiris... 
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:33:16 PM EDT
[#31]
Won't work with a VPN? Be more specific, as I know of many different people who use XP SP2 with VPN every day. Many different types of VPN clients, connecting to different companies.
Even if you've got a valid edge case issue, don't slander the scenario (XP SP2 w/ VPN usage) as not working when you are clearly wrong for the majority of users. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:46:46 PM EDT
[#32]
Ya, it worked so well with VPN that Microsoft spanked out a hotfix for it just for shits and grins. A hotfix, mind you, that does not resolve all of the issues with the revised TCPIP stack (It killed NMAP until Fyodor released a workaround. MS was of no help. Thanks for fucking up raw sockets, MS!) |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 8:46:59 PM EDT
[#33]
I run VPN and WIN XP SP2 just fine, no problems whatsoever
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Posted: 1/31/2006 10:31:44 PM EDT
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Raw sockets weren't "fucked up", they were removed (the single deviation from the IETF version of TCPIP v4). This was done to block crazy infected clients from going nuts as zombies on the Internet. The same boxes that asshats who don't install XP2 end up running at home.
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Posted: 1/31/2006 10:49:08 PM EDT
[#35]
Incorrect. From Microsoft's whitepaper on the topic:
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Posted: 1/31/2006 10:50:09 PM EDT
[#36]
Then if it has ActiveX I'll pass.<G>
Dennis Jenkins
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Posted: 1/31/2006 11:04:41 PM EDT
[#37]
While technically correct, you still miss the point. The changes to raw sockets were done reduce the impact of the zombie hordes.
Nobody enjoys having a crippled stack, but we're all better off as a result. |
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Posted: 1/31/2006 11:08:42 PM EDT
[#38]
whoopdefuckindoo
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Posted: 1/31/2006 11:14:22 PM EDT
[#39]
yes but does it run on linux
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Posted: 2/1/2006 12:45:41 AM EDT
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*sigh* I was not 'techinically' correct, I was absolutely correct. Microsoft fucked with raw sockets; they did not remove them, as you claim. There is no middle ground on this. I know why they claimed they did it, but that does not change the facts of the matter. Besides, Mac and Linux seem to do just fine without playing with their TCP stacks. If Microsoft had competent folks doing security, messing with raw sockets would have been the last of their concerns. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 2:31:31 PM EDT
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First bug found for Internet Explorer Beta 2
Independent researcher needed just 15 minutes with the release News Story by Robert McMillan FEBRUARY 01, 2006 (IDG NEWS SERVICE) - An independent researcher needed just 15 minutes to find the first bug in the Beta 2 preview release of Microsoft Corp.'s Internet Explorer 7 browser. Tom Ferris, of Mission Viejo, Calif., published his findings Tuesday just hours after Microsoft released the beta code. Ferris discovered the bug, which causes Internet Explorer to crash when it tries to read a specially crafted HTML file, using an automated security testing tool, called a "fuzzer" that he wrote to test Microsoft's browsers. "Whenever they patch, I normally run IE through the fuzzing iterations, just to see if there [is something new]," he said. Ferris posted his findings at 8:30 p.m. Pacific time on Tuesday, the same day Internet Explorer Beta 2 was released, he said. Right now the bug can be exploited only to crash the browser, but Ferris says it's likely that his attack could eventually be modified to run unauthorized code on a user's machine. The vulnerability appears to be exclusive to Internet Explorer Beta 2 browser, he said. "This is a completely new bug. I've never actually seen this in any browser before." Microsoft was not immediately able to comment on Ferris's findings. A spokeswoman for the company's public relations agency said Microsoft is "looking into this." Ferris has previously discovered bugs in the Firefox and Safari browsers, as well as in Windows XP, but even he was surprised at the quickness with which this latest vulnerability popped up. Ferris' discovery is one of the quickest such bug-findings on record, said Mikko Hypponen, manager of antivirus research at F-Secure Corp. in Helsinki, Finland. "It's probably the fastest from launch to exploit that I've ever heard about," he said. Microsoft spent millions to improve its software development process to make it more secure. The company has promoted Internet Explorer Beta 2 as a more secure product. But Ferris believes that his research shows that the software giant still has work to do in this area. "I think that they're still lacking very common security testing methods. I looked at it for 15 minutes and I was able to find a clean bug," he said. "They still have a lot of work to do."
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:35:22 PM EDT
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Critic type #1 - Oh, IE is such a piece of crap, it has all these security flaws, is vunerable to exploits and isn't perfect. Critic type #2 - Oh, IE is such a piece of crap, it won't let me do the stuff I used to, I have to make it download suspicious files and execute suspicious code.
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:38:27 PM EDT
[#43]
More security 'swiss-cheese' from Microsoft. Keep it. I'm happily runnng Firefox.
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Posted: 2/1/2006 6:46:05 PM EDT
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I've had five tabs open for over 5 hours in IE7. I've not gone above 60mb usage. Same five tabs that would eat up over 250mb (and counting) in less than 3 hours with firefox. Oh and if you really think *any* other browser is more "secure" than IE, I've got a bridge from LA to Honolulu I'd like to sell you. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 9:55:50 PM EDT
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Do not bother… Security flaws are being found in Firefox at twice the rate of IE, it has been that way for a year. Nobody should fool themselves in to thinking Firefox is more secure. You must still run good anti-virus and anti-spyware software. Firefox is also a memory hog that can bring many older computers to their knees. They have know about the problem for at least 1 ½ years and cannot fix it. I prefer Opera right now. Opera while not perfect is not the resource hog that Firefox is. Unless you are experienced I would stay away from the IE 7 beta at least until the next release, it is a beta after all. Either way Firefox sucks. |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 10:24:27 PM EDT
[#46]
Speaking of firefox...
1.5.0.1 is out today And google is working on a free desktop replacement OS... based on Ubuntu. I'd rather see them spend the money on open office. but hey! it's free. (both in terms of money and spyware/trojans) |
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Posted: 2/1/2006 10:45:15 PM EDT
[#47]
Yep, Firefox does have memory leakage issues, you can cut down on this problem by gong to Tool>Options>Downloads, and unchecking the box for "Show Download Manager window when a download begins." I have the same member issues with Opera, just that it doesn't grow as fast. ETA-I think people can exploit Firefox more easily because people can actually look inside the source code and see how the thing works, and how to integrate or circum-navigate the protection mechesim code the virus into the browser. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 4:48:08 AM EDT
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Heck I'm having trouble making vpn work between Windoze 2000 boxes. I installed a new Linksys RV042VPN router at the remote site and the connections trying to use Quickbooks Enterprise are slower than using the Webex connection. So slow they're unusable. The Atlanta site has Charter cable business class (5xxx kbs down and 1xxx kbs up) and the Columbus site has BellSouth business DSL (3xxx kbs down and 1xxx kbs up) so I don't think it's the conection speed.
Guess I'm just going to have to go to Terminal Services and pull out the Linksys Router - what waste of $200 and the time to install and set it up. It's a nice piece of hardware though and well supported. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 6:01:44 AM EDT
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So, in other words, they've finally gotten around to implementing a few of the features that other, better, browsers have had for the last several years? Wow. Color me spectacufabularly impressed. |
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Posted: 2/2/2006 7:01:50 AM EDT
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You don't have to be impressed. Myself, I like it, but it doesn't matter to me if you do or not. Don't want to use it, cool, not my problem. |
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