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Posted: 1/31/2006 6:20:19 AM EDT
USS Iowa could be minority museum


Turning a battleship around is never easy — especially in the politically roiled waters of the San Francisco Bay.

Last July, San Francisco’s county supervisors voted 8-3 against bringing the vintage World War II battleship Iowa to San Francisco as a permanent tourist attraction. Some opponents said they were taking a stand against both the war in Iraq and a military that boots out gays and lesbians, a powerful faction in local politics.

But now, advocates of the move are trying to woo the supervisors with a promise to create a privately funded dockside museum that will tell the story of minorities in the military, including lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender troops.

“Our feeling was that this would make it a better fit for San Francisco,” said Jim Maloney, director of the Military Education Initiative, a group that supports the lifting of restrictions on gays in the military. “Adding in the component of LGBT service would be obviously quite unique,” he said.

The new plan also calls for an annual peace symposium on the Iowa, which has a storied record of combat in the South Pacific and off the Korean coast.

Franklin D. Roosevelt’s favorite battleship, the Iowa carried him to Casablanca, Morocco, in 1943, en route to a conference of Allied leaders in Tehran, Iran.

In 1989, 47 crew members were killed in a shipboard explosion that officials blamed on a sailor who they said was involved in a failed gay relationship. The Navy later backed away from that explanation, ruling that the explosion was an accident and apologizing to the family of the dead sailor.

“That’s a story that deserves to be told,” Maloney said.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:20:57 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:23:27 AM EDT
Oh for fucks sake.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:24:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
USS Iowa could be minority museum


Turning a battleship around is never easy — especially in the politically roiled waters of the San Francisco Bay...

...But now, advocates of the move are trying to woo the supervisors with a promise to create a privately funded dockside museum that will tell the story of minorities in the military, including lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender troops...

...The new plan also calls for an annual peace symposium on the Iowa, which has a storied record of combat in the South Pacific and off the Korean coast.




Sell her to the Chinese before we let her rest in Frisco.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:24:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By go3:
Oh for fucks sake.



+1.

I don't know where to begin.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:24:53 AM EDT
Well, it's hard to beat 9 16" guns for phallic imagery.


Still,
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:26:05 AM EDT
I rather see her sunk than boarded by libtards.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:26:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 6:26:48 AM EDT by garandman]

Originally Posted By go3:
Oh for fucks sake.



That seems to sum it up.

Some people just NEED to protest EVERYTHING. So I guess WWII never happened cuz they don't agree with something today.

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:26:49 AM EDT
fuck, drag her up the muddy miss and dock her in Iowa
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:28:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sterling18:
I rather see her sunk than boarded by libtards.





Best solution yet
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:30:56 AM EDT
I can't say I will be upset when the "big one" hits and the western half of California becomes an island.


This is pathetic.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:31:05 AM EDT
"Thwabbing the poopdeck, thir!"
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:31:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:35:17 AM EDT
I'm sure there were lots of transgender troops in WWII.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:35:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sterling18:
I rather see her sunk than boarded by libtards.



It'd certainly quiet down the 'BRING BACK TEH BATTELSHIPS!1' crowd.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:36:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
www.bloodyhell.nl/images/hac_village_large.jpg



Ugh!
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:36:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dpmmn:

Originally Posted By sterling18:
I rather see her sunk than boarded by libtards.





Best solution yet



Better to scuttle her proudly, then allow her to be captured by the enemy.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:37:21 AM EDT
I would rather see the old girl sunk and used to establish a coral reef.

How about if we just give her to the Iraqis??

That would make more sense!!
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:37:33 AM EDT
WHAT. THE. FUCK.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:38:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By twonami:
fuck, drag her up the muddy miss and dock her in Iowa



I'll be the people of Iowa would love this idea! And they would take proper care of her too. Not this sick shit SF has in mind.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:39:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:39:27 AM EDT
WTF???????????????????
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:40:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:
I can't say I will be upset when the "big one" hits and the western half of California becomes an island.


This is pathetic.



Island, try underwater property. Arizona will be beach front property.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:41:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lancelot:

Originally Posted By dpmmn:

Originally Posted By sterling18:
I rather see her sunk than boarded by libtards.





Best solution yet



Better to scuttle her proudly, then allow her to be captured by the enemy.




Im down, we need to sink her if this happens. Like the proud german WW1 navy we should sink her before the enemy gets her.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:42:01 AM EDT
Sink her first.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:43:58 AM EDT
Sink it in <100 ft waters and take off all the doors and turn it into an artificial reef / wreck dive site.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:44:15 AM EDT
Bring her to the coast of Virginia and make a museum out of her.

But it would be far more dignified to scuttle the ship in the deepest part of the Pacific before allowing it to become a floating monument to political correctness.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:46:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sterling18:
I rather see her sunk than boarded by libtards.



+1, give the old girl an honorable death, rather then succumbing to some perverted agenda.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:46:54 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:49:38 AM EDT
We should get Tommy Lee Jones and his gang to take it over for us ala undersiege.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:50:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By phatmax:

Originally Posted By sterling18:
I rather see her sunk than boarded by libtards.



+1, give the old girl an honorable death, rather then succumbing to some perverted agenda.


+2
A big IF, but if a gay monument is needed, there is no reason to soil the Iowa for it.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:52:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 6:53:57 AM EDT by sterling18]

Originally Posted By fight4yourrights:
www.bloodyhell.nl/images/hac_village_large.jpg



I counter your pic with mine.





General Characteristics: Keel laid: June 27, 1940
Launched: August 27, 1942
Commissioned: February 22, 1943
Decommissioned: March 24, 1949
Second commissioning: August 25, 1951
Second decommissioning: February 24, 1958
Third commissioning: April 28, 1984
Third decommissioning: October 26, 1990
Builder: New York Naval Shipyard, Brooklyn, NY
Propulsion system: eight boilers, four geared turbines
Propellers: four
Length: 889 feet (271 meters)
Beam: 108 feet (32.9 meters)
Draft: 35,7 feet (10.9 meters)
Displacement: Light: approx. 46,000 tons
Displacement: Full: approx. 57,000 tons
Speed: 33 knots
Aircraft: no hangar, but parking area for four SH-3 or four SH-60
Crew 1984 - 1990: 65 officers and 1,501 enlisted
WWII Crew: 134 officers and 2,400 enlisted
Last armament: eight armored box launchers for Tomahawk, four Mk 141 Harpoon missile launchers, nine 16-inch / 50 caliber guns, twelve 5-inch / 38 caliber guns, four 20mm Phalanx CIWS



This is where she should be laid to rest. Not in SF.

btw, Retired aircraft carriers Forrestal and Saratoga

eta: this is for you SF

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:53:00 AM EDT
What they should look for is something long, hard and full of seamen. Hmmm, what could that be?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:54:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777: Bring her to the coast of Virginia and make a museum out of her. But it would be far more dignified to scuttle the ship in the deepest part of the Pacific before allowing it to become a floating monument to political correctness.
We should turn it into a cruise liner for Somalian routes. We've got the facilities in VA to do it.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:55:24 AM EDT
I would rather spend my taxes to dismantle that son-of-bitch, ship it to Des Moines and reassemble it there in a goddamn koi pond.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:03:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PRCDaedalus:
Sink it in <100 ft waters and take off all the doors and turn it into an artificial reef / wreck dive site.



Yep.
Right in SF harbor just to fuck with their shipping.
One last act of defiance.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:11:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dpmmn:

Originally Posted By sterling18:
I rather see her sunk than boarded by libtards.





Best solution yet



+1. WTF?????


Well.... I remember when all that happened. The Navy's at fault for that one. In order to take the heat off the Navy for old, defective equipment, they tried to make the now-dead Clayton Hartwig out to be gay....then, when it turned it not to be true, the whole thing blew up in their faces, so to speak....
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:13:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bumblebee_Bob:

Originally Posted By twonami:
fuck, drag her up the muddy miss and dock her in Iowa



I'll be the people of Iowa would love this idea! And they would take proper care of her too. Not this sick shit SF has in mind.



Ummm...would it actually make it up the Mississippi to Iowa???
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:16:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 95thFoot:

Originally Posted By Bumblebee_Bob:

Originally Posted By twonami:
fuck, drag her up the muddy miss and dock her in Iowa



I'll be the people of Iowa would love this idea! And they would take proper care of her too. Not this sick shit SF has in mind.



Ummm...would it actually make it up the Mississippi to Iowa???



Muddy bottom or mud sharks. I think she'd rather face the Mississippi.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:20:12 AM EDT
On the remote chance that something like that DID happen to the Iowa, I would gladly form a small strike force to liberate the Iowa with some limpet mines.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:23:04 AM EDT
Break her up and use the steel to make missles......................or make a couple 100 thousand ASSAULT RIFLES!!!!
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:33:20 AM EDT
Pack her full of C4, tie her up at Alameda and send out invitations. One last Hurrah!
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:39:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:

Originally Posted By 95thFoot:

Originally Posted By Bumblebee_Bob:

Originally Posted By twonami:
fuck, drag her up the muddy miss and dock her in Iowa



I'll be the people of Iowa would love this idea! And they would take proper care of her too. Not this sick shit SF has in mind.



Ummm...would it actually make it up the Mississippi to Iowa???



Muddy bottom or mud sharks. I think she'd rather face the Mississippi.



Draft: 35,7 feet (10.9 meters)


I doubt she'd make it all the way to Davenport, but it would be interesting to see how far up the Mississippi she would make it.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:42:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 7:44:24 AM EDT by guardian855]
We'll take the USS Iowa here in Arizona, not sure where we'd put her though, it would look awkard sitting on the bottom of the Salt Riverbed, or in the Tempe Town Lake.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:43:53 AM EDT
should have the battleship open up on San Francisco.....help solve the problem.

dont we have some nukes we need to test out...
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:43:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By guardian855:
We'll take the USS Iowa here in Arizona, not sure where we'd put here though, it would look awkard sitting on the bottom of the Salt Riverbed, or in the Tempe Town Lake.



Less awkward than being painted pink with a bunch of homos cruizin' her deck.

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:43:54 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bumblebee_Bob:

Originally Posted By twonami:
fuck, drag her up the muddy miss and dock her in Iowa



I'll be the people of Iowa would love this idea! And they would take proper care of her too. Not this sick shit SF has in mind.



I would love to see the Iowa come to the state it is named after.

Maybe we could get in on a AR15.com group buy?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:45:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BarnStormer:

Originally Posted By Bumblebee_Bob:

Originally Posted By twonami:
fuck, drag her up the muddy miss and dock her in Iowa



I'll be the people of Iowa would love this idea! And they would take proper care of her too. Not this sick shit SF has in mind.



I would love to see the Iowa come to the state it is named after.

Maybe we could get in on a AR15.com group buy?



That's why we'd love to take the Iowa, the Arizona will never be able to come home :(
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:55:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bumblebee_Bob:

Originally Posted By ArmedAggie:

Originally Posted By 95thFoot:

Originally Posted By Bumblebee_Bob:

Originally Posted By twonami:
fuck, drag her up the muddy miss and dock her in Iowa



I'll be the people of Iowa would love this idea! And they would take proper care of her too. Not this sick shit SF has in mind.



Ummm...would it actually make it up the Mississippi to Iowa???



Muddy bottom or mud sharks. I think she'd rather face the Mississippi.



Draft: 35,7 feet (10.9 meters)


I doubt she'd make it all the way to Davenport, but it would be interesting to see how far up the Mississippi she would make it.



Again, I'd rather my tax money go to finding a way to make that happen. Remove all possible unnecessary weight, even devise some sort of system to increase her buoyancy for the trip. No price is too high to uphold her glory and honor.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:58:50 AM EDT
Id rather see her scuttled than as a monument to PC Libtard BS
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 8:09:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bumblebee_Bob:

Originally Posted By twonami:
fuck, drag her up the muddy miss and dock her in Iowa



I'll be the people of Iowa would love this idea! And they would take proper care of her too. Not this sick shit SF has in mind.



+1
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