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Posted: 1/30/2006 8:55:55 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 8:56:37 PM EDT
Damn, and that's not even the expensive part!
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 9:00:10 PM EDT
I think I can live with the lack of a beach nearby and having to deal with snow and keep my $175k, 3br/3bath, 2200+ sq. ft. house and (relatively) sane firearms laws.
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 9:00:30 PM EDT
The people in that area are enough to make normal folks want to move.
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 9:03:45 PM EDT
our county in Idaho doubled in the last few years from Californians moving in...they sell their house down there for a million, come up here and buy the same thing similar or bigger for 250k and open an espresso booth.
They drive fast, too...and I don't go to the range either when it is full of fancy folk that wave muzzles all about. it is as scary as it is on the road with them.
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 9:08:50 PM EDT
I can't wait. A few years from now all these people are going to have their adjustable rate intrest only mortgage homes forclosed on because they neither own the home nor can they afford the payments anymore. I'm renting till I eject this state or people start going banktrupt.
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 9:46:06 PM EDT
lol, seriously, u go 30 miles NE and the price drops about 200k... thats just a location thing.


i can still rent a decent sized appartment in Santa Clara for around 1200-1400 a month. sure its super over priced, but its the price u pay to live near your work... right now, i commute from Livermore(about 20-25 miles NE of SC) to Campbell(SW san jose) about a 40 mile commute... it takes me 1.5 hrs each day to get home, leaving at 1600(i leave @0530 to miss traffic) over time, i would MUCH rather fork out the cash (even if its another 300k) just to miss that commute, esp. if i have children(to actually parent them)


the costs associated with buying/living in santa clara are nuts tho... just plain expensive... but then look up prices in Cupertino... itll make you cry. hell even a house in san jose isnt as bad.


Link Posted: 1/30/2006 10:01:32 PM EDT
I left San Diego 2 years ago and bought a house up here for $234,000 that would cost $750,000 down there.
Recently sold my 2br, 1 bath, 830sf condo in San Diego for $300,000.
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 10:02:50 PM EDT
Watch this...
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 10:05:22 PM EDT
Eww the left coast.
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 10:06:52 PM EDT
Another reason not to live in CA


Like we need another . Would some of you CA Arfcommers please move to CO, we need sane Californians here, not the liberal pricks I seem to encounter regularly.

--VT
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 10:08:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
I can't wait. A few years from now all these people are going to have their adjustable rate intrest only mortgage homes forclosed on because they neither own the home nor can they afford the payments anymore. I'm renting till I eject this state or people start going banktrupt.



yep, I think alot of them are interest only loans, if the bottom drops out of the market they are in deep shit.
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 10:11:18 PM EDT
I just urinated in my back yard without being added to a sex offender registry.

Try that in California.
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 10:13:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Triumph955i:
Watch this...




Originally Posted By Triumph955i:
I just urinated in my back yard without being added to a sex offender registry.

Try that in California.



Link Posted: 1/30/2006 10:17:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mauser101:
I can't wait. A few years from now all these people are going to have their adjustable rate intrest only mortgage homes forclosed on because they neither own the home nor can they afford the payments anymore. I'm renting till I eject this state or people start going banktrupt.



Yeah, till they go broke and move out here cause its cheaper.

other then that, you can rest assured it aint the housing prices keeping me out of Kali.
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 10:23:53 PM EDT
i would love to move, but honeslty i just cant afford to leave(as odd as that sounds) unless i move to WA and it honestly sounds like WA will head the way of CA in the next 15 years... i just got a semi decent paying job... plus, as nutty as it sounds, i like it here, aside for the libtards(who have ruined the state politically) its a wonderful plot of land... (im not one for snow, makes me hurt:/ )


as for the variable intrest rate loan thing, my parents were a victem of this.(their own faults, dont show any pitty for them or anyone else who bought into the nonsense)
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 11:49:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/30/2006 11:50:42 PM EDT by Manic_Moran]
We just bought a new house in Santa Clara county, as it happens. Three-bedroom, garage, carport, two full bathrooms, just refurbished, for $670,000.

It's Atherton area that's expensive. (About 20 miles N of here)

NTM
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 11:51:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:
We just bought a new house in Santa Clara county, as it happens. Three-bedroom, garage, carport, two full bathrooms, just refurbished, for $670,000.

It's Atherton area that's expensive. (About 20 miles N of here)

NTM



How the hell do you guys afford it? Honestly? I mean shit. I have a house payment on a 150,000 house and its all I would want to comfortably handle. Do you guys all get paid like 300,000 out there or what??
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 12:23:25 AM EDT
Ya I just don't get it either.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 12:38:38 AM EDT
Insanity. Pure insanity.

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 12:45:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 12:46:44 AM EDT by brian4wd]

Originally Posted By Triumph955i:
I just urinated in my back yard without being added to a sex offender registry.

Try that in California.



I do almost every night - and I live/work in 2 of the 9 Bay Area counties......

Brian
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 12:56:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 1:29:59 AM EDT by vito113]
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:25:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By johnrj:
our county in Idaho doubled in the last few years from Californians moving in...they sell their house down there for a million, come up here and buy the same thing similar or bigger for 250k and open an espresso booth.
They drive fast, too...and I don't go to the range either when it is full of fancy folk that wave muzzles all about. it is as scary as it is on the road with them.



First time i ever read a term describing the flight from california was in a TIME magazine article. I believe the term was "californicators".
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:57:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:
We just bought a new house in Santa Clara county, as it happens. Three-bedroom, garage, carport, two full bathrooms, just refurbished, for $670,000.

It's Atherton area that's expensive. (About 20 miles N of here)

NTM



How the hell do you guys afford it? Honestly? I mean shit. I have a house payment on a 150,000 house and its all I would want to comfortably handle. Do you guys all get paid like 300,000 out there or what??



It's easy most of the time people are well over there heads in debt. I am not saying Specop is but in general most people take out 2 loans, one to cover the initial down and the other the balance. I have a buddy who bought a condo in Oceanside and he spent 430k on it. This is a Condo folks and he had to piggy back the loan. Not a good idea, the market has to right itself and I find it hard to believe that people are making over 250k a year to afford these prices.

I think most people in California are house rich cash poor.

Max
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 4:39:40 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 4:53:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 5:00:04 AM EDT by TrijiCog]

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:
We just bought a new house in Santa Clara county, as it happens. Three-bedroom, garage, carport, two full bathrooms, just refurbished, for $670,000.

It's Atherton area that's expensive. (About 20 miles N of here)

NTM



Atherton? 670K ? Bullshit !!! Outhouses go for 1 million in Atherton. Why you would BS about this I have no idea,but 670K for a house in Atherton sounds unbelievable.Did prices there go way down since I left 5 years ago ?

What's next ? 3200sf in Hillsboro for 500K ?

Anyways,congrats on what sounds like the deal of a lifetime.If atherton is still the same way when I left,you should be able to turn 350K in about a year if you sell it.


Originally Posted By maxell27:

I think most people in California are house rich cash poor.

Max



I think it's cars.I used to live in San Mateo and I would see MBZ 500 and BMW 700 series cars owned by people that made less than I did,status symbol I guess.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 4:59:14 AM EDT



If I bought a $670,000 house, there is no way I could pay it off in my lifetime on my current salary.


Link Posted: 1/31/2006 5:13:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Triumph955i:
I just urinated in my back yard without being added to a sex offender registry.

Try that in California.



If you get a NEA grant before you took your piss, you're covered. It's art.

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 5:16:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By maxell27:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:
We just bought a new house in Santa Clara county, as it happens. Three-bedroom, garage, carport, two full bathrooms, just refurbished, for $670,000.

It's Atherton area that's expensive. (About 20 miles N of here)

NTM



How the hell do you guys afford it? Honestly? I mean shit. I have a house payment on a 150,000 house and its all I would want to comfortably handle. Do you guys all get paid like 300,000 out there or what??



It's easy most of the time people are well over there heads in debt. I am not saying Specop is but in general most people take out 2 loans, one to cover the initial down and the other the balance. I have a buddy who bought a condo in Oceanside and he spent 430k on it. This is a Condo folks and he had to piggy back the loan. Not a good idea, the market has to right itself and I find it hard to believe that people are making over 250k a year to afford these prices.

I think most people in California are house rich cash poor.

Max



Still, I make roughly 50k a year. My house is 150k. I'm payin a bit over a grand a month on the mortgage.
If you charted it out a 500k house would run like 4 grand a month. How the fuck do they make a 4000 house payment every month?? Thats what I pay a quarter! I aint sayin I'm the best paid guy around, but I feel I make pretty decent money and theres no way I could even THINK of looking at a house much over 170, and I probably wouldnt be approved for it anyways. Then tack on the car payments for some fancy ass BMW they all seem to have...... I honestly do not see how they can concievably make these payments unless everyone in Kali is making 300k a year.....
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 5:24:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 5:25:28 AM EDT by TrijiCog]
Specop..you should have seen Cali in the mid to late 90's.19-20 yr olds driving Ferrari's,getting loans based on stock options.KIDS were making easily 6 figures during the internet bubble.My friend was making $250K as a network admin.

Shit,I was making $60 an hour running CAT5 during that time.

Needless to say after the internet bubble burst and stock options weren't worth shit,there were a lot of multi-million dollar homes foreclosed on and a shitload of expensive cars repo'd.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 5:26:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 5:27:13 AM EDT by PAEBR332]

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
Still, I make roughly 50k a year. My house is 150k. I'm payin a bit over a grand a month on the mortgage.
If you charted it out a 500k house would run like 4 grand a month. How the fuck do they make a 4000 house payment every month?? Thats what I pay a quarter! I aint sayin I'm the best paid guy around, but I feel I make pretty decent money and theres no way I could even THINK of looking at a house much over 170, and I probably wouldnt be approved for it anyways. Then tack on the car payments for some fancy ass BMW they all seem to have...... I honestly do not see how they can concievably make these payments unless everyone in Kali is making 300k a year.....



I work for a Silicon Valley company. I thank God every day that I can telecommute from PA. The executives their that I deal with are almost all just a few months from bankruptcy. One of the guys I work with made over a $100k PROFIT on his stock options last year, and told me that if he lost his job he would be bankrupt in less than six weeks. Of course, that was before he sold his current house a few weeks ago to buy an even more expensive one with an even bigger monthly mortgage payment... Then there is the $1k/month proprty tax bill as well...
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 5:33:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By maxell27:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:
We just bought a new house in Santa Clara county, as it happens. Three-bedroom, garage, carport, two full bathrooms, just refurbished, for $670,000.

It's Atherton area that's expensive. (About 20 miles N of here)

NTM



How the hell do you guys afford it? Honestly? I mean shit. I have a house payment on a 150,000 house and its all I would want to comfortably handle. Do you guys all get paid like 300,000 out there or what??



It's easy most of the time people are well over there heads in debt. I am not saying Specop is but in general most people take out 2 loans, one to cover the initial down and the other the balance. I have a buddy who bought a condo in Oceanside and he spent 430k on it. This is a Condo folks and he had to piggy back the loan. Not a good idea, the market has to right itself and I find it hard to believe that people are making over 250k a year to afford these prices.

I think most people in California are house rich cash poor.

Max



Still, I make roughly 50k a year. My house is 150k. I'm payin a bit over a grand a month on the mortgage.
If you charted it out a 500k house would run like 4 grand a month. How the fuck do they make a 4000 house payment every month?? Thats what I pay a quarter! I aint sayin I'm the best paid guy around, but I feel I make pretty decent money and theres no way I could even THINK of looking at a house much over 170, and I probably wouldnt be approved for it anyways. Then tack on the car payments for some fancy ass BMW they all seem to have...... I honestly do not see how they can concievably make these payments unless everyone in Kali is making 300k a year.....



I'm with you bro.
I'll take my 130K house which I bought off a Church over some McMansion in Kali for 800K any day!

Let these fools think they're living "the good life". I have no debt other than my Mortgage and I am working actively to pay that off in half the time. I've got cash in the bank and an OK portfolio and all that on 58K a year. I'm only 30 and plan to be 100% debt free by the time I'm 40.

I may not have a McMansion or a BMW. I may not have all the little luxuries in life. Hell, I don't even bother getting Cable or a Cel Phone. But I know more on how to manage money and debt than those fools ever will.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:05:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By maxell27:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:
We just bought a new house in Santa Clara county, as it happens. Three-bedroom, garage, carport, two full bathrooms, just refurbished, for $670,000.

It's Atherton area that's expensive. (About 20 miles N of here)

NTM



How the hell do you guys afford it? Honestly? I mean shit. I have a house payment on a 150,000 house and its all I would want to comfortably handle. Do you guys all get paid like 300,000 out there or what??



It's easy most of the time people are well over there heads in debt. I am not saying Specop is but in general most people take out 2 loans, one to cover the initial down and the other the balance. I have a buddy who bought a condo in Oceanside and he spent 430k on it. This is a Condo folks and he had to piggy back the loan. Not a good idea, the market has to right itself and I find it hard to believe that people are making over 250k a year to afford these prices.

I think most people in California are house rich cash poor.

Max



Still, I make roughly 50k a year. My house is 150k. I'm payin a bit over a grand a month on the mortgage.
If you charted it out a 500k house would run like 4 grand a month. How the fuck do they make a 4000 house payment every month?? Thats what I pay a quarter! I aint sayin I'm the best paid guy around, but I feel I make pretty decent money and theres no way I could even THINK of looking at a house much over 170, and I probably wouldnt be approved for it anyways. Then tack on the car payments for some fancy ass BMW they all seem to have...... I honestly do not see how they can concievably make these payments unless everyone in Kali is making 300k a year.....



simple. Start out with a condo, live in it a few years, then sell it for a huge profit. Put the profit into the down payment on a fixer upper, repeat. Put profit into new bigger home.


In the 7 years i have lived in my current home it has tripled in value. If I sold it i could pay off the lond and put $450K down payment on the next one.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:13:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By johnrj:
our county in Idaho doubled in the last few years from Californians moving in...they sell their house down there for a million, come up here and buy the same thing similar or bigger for 250k and open an espresso booth.
They drive fast, too...and I don't go to the range either when it is full of fancy folk that wave muzzles all about. it is as scary as it is on the road with them.



Sounds like Central Oregon. It is heavy with Kalifornian influence........
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:17:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:19:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 6:20:25 AM EDT by lordtrader]
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:34:28 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 6:37:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 6:39:53 AM EDT by rjroberts]

Originally Posted By tifosi:

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It's easy most of the time people are well over there heads in debt. I am not saying Specop is but in general most people take out 2 loans, one to cover the initial down and the other the balance. I have a buddy who bought a condo in Oceanside and he spent 430k on it. This is a Condo folks and he had to piggy back the loan. Not a good idea, the market has to right itself and I find it hard to believe that people are making over 250k a year to afford these prices.

I think most people in California are house rich cash poor.

Max

Still, I make roughly 50k a year. My house is 150k. I'm payin a bit over a grand a month on the mortgage.
If you charted it out a 500k house would run like 4 grand a month. How the fuck do they make a 4000 house payment every month?? Thats what I pay a quarter! I aint sayin I'm the best paid guy around, but I feel I make pretty decent money and theres no way I could even THINK of looking at a house much over 170, and I probably wouldnt be approved for it anyways. Then tack on the car payments for some fancy ass BMW they all seem to have...... I honestly do not see how they can concievably make these payments unless everyone in Kali is making 300k a year.....

I'm with you bro.
I'll take my 130K house which I bought off a Church over some McMansion in Kali for 800K any day!

Let these fools think they're living "the good life". I have no debt other than my Mortgage and I am working actively to pay that off in half the time. I've got cash in the bank and an OK portfolio and all that on 58K a year. I'm only 30 and plan to be 100% debt free by the time I'm 40.

I may not have a McMansion or a BMW. I may not have all the little luxuries in life. Hell, I don't even bother getting Cable or a Cel Phone. But I know more on how to manage money and debt than those fools ever will.



The sad part is that, when these people finally go down the drain, they will want something from YOU, since you have something. ANd, they will want to put into place a socialist government to exercise the necessary force to get it for them and their "needs." I hate the socialist types with a passion for this reason. They can go whooppie andthen expect, no, demand that I cover them and keep reality from the door.

It's all been done before. Prices skyrocket, and then they drop. California, even San Diego, real estate over the last 20 years has had at least two major cycles. Look at 1991 through 1997, for example. It staarts out like AR15 fan said, then grows to the non supportable. BAsically, it's a variation on a Ponzi scheme: new people coming in supply more and more money. The reality is that Supply and Demand rule. They can be distorted for a time, but in the long run, they show who is boss. The problem with prices that push the envelope is that people have to stretch too far, great when everything goes according to plan, but the slightest problem crushes them. The biggest issue is the creative financing thought up by the builders and some of the banks - interest only - works only in a rising market. Great, since the market has risen, but no tree grows to the sky. Let's say a house is $750,000. Further assume it is somewhat overpriced, but at least not underpriced. Will this go to $2,000,000. anytime soon? It would have to go to $850,000. next year just to break even.

The interest rate issue will be interesting, and it looks like it is getting ready to jump. For the longest time, the 10 year rate has refused to budge, in large part for technical reasons, now it is inching up. When the time comes - look at your mortgage contracts, folks - for readjustment of the rate in interest only or ARM (covering the big majority of mortgages), your eyes will pop. Sure, there may be limits as to how much per period (note, per adjust ment period, like in six months again).

Compound this with too many people's need to live beyond their means, and there is no room to cover the increase. Too many buy only on the basis of the ability to cover the easy monthly payment. What happens if the job goes or, in the case of those who live it up on two incomes, one income goes? The rates are going up. The short term rate may "rest" for a bit this Spring, or even go down. But those mortgages are going to ince up. Maybe one can cover them with some effort, if you can keep your job.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:00:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 7:11:24 AM EDT by ShadowCompany]

Originally Posted By krazy_karl:

Originally Posted By johnrj:
our county in Idaho doubled in the last few years from Californians moving in...they sell their house down there for a million, come up here and buy the same thing similar or bigger for 250k and open an espresso booth.
They drive fast, too...and I don't go to the range either when it is full of fancy folk that wave muzzles all about. it is as scary as it is on the road with them.



Sounds like Central Oregon. It is heavy with Kalifornian influence........



Happening in Utah too. I'm in southern Utah which has a warm climate and there are so many people moving here, many of them from California, and driving home prices up. Home prices here have nearly tripled in the last 5 years. In 2000 you could buy a nice starter home for $115,000. Now starter homes are in the $250,000 - $300,000 range. Many homes are in the $500,000 - $700,000 range. The problem we have is that our wages (in southern Utah) are the lowest in the state and even low on the national scale. Everything here is service oriented so it's not uncommon to have people making less than $10 and hour. Doesn't matter what kind of credentials you have, there are just no well paying jobs. The average wage here (for working folk anyway) is probably 30k. But home prices are going the way of California.

Anyone who didn't buy a house two or more years ago, myself included, is SOL.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 8:33:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 9:19:01 AM EDT by Manic_Moran]


Originally Posted By TrijiCog:
It's Atherton area that's expensive. (About 20 miles N of here)

NTM



Atherton? 670K ? Bullshit !!! Outhouses go for 1 million in Atherton. Why you would BS about this I have no idea,but 670K for a house in Atherton sounds unbelievable.Did prices there go way down since I left 5 years ago ?
Max




Someone just failed reading comprehension.

"It's Atherton that's expensive (About 20 miles N of here)" indicates that yes, outhouses would be pricey there, and there is not here if it's 20 miles North.

Pay in the Bay Area is generally higher than the rest of the US. As a 1LT I pull in some $3800 a month taxable, $2,000 a month untaxable, and my better half pulls in six figures.

NTM
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 8:37:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Triumph955i:
I just urinated in my back yard without being added to a sex offender registry.

Try that in California.



some homeless guy did it for me.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 8:51:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 8:52:44 AM EDT by testosteroneOD]
When I was working in Milpitas about 6yrs ago, studio apartments were going for close to 2k a month. I looked at some places that were so ghetto that I wouldnt want to leave a pair of flip flops out front of the door because they would be stolen. 800sq ft for 2k a month.....
Then I looked at renting rooms from people. close to 1k-1.5k per month...most had the same rules that included : no overnite company (read, you cant have any sex here because im a computer geek and I cant get any pussy so you wont get any pussy either), no cooking, no friends over, no drinking, have to park on the street,...basically it was just a place to sleep, shower and shit.
I commuted from northern Cal to the bay area instead
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 8:58:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DVDTracker:
You can't afford it!




Originally Posted By ProfessorEvil:
The peolpe in that area are enough to make normal folks want to move.


Says the two escapee's
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 8:59:22 AM EDT
You mean all the reasons up to this point haven't been enough not to live there?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:20:29 AM EDT
Why do people who don't live in California, where the paychecks are good and profit on the sale of real estate is good, always bitch about California?
We in California don't bitch about your low pay, high unemployment, and lousy weather. We never even bring it up in conversation.
Believe it or not, there are guns in California! Lots of them! And places to shoot!
California does have crappy politicians, but then, truthfully, don't most states?
And you have to admit, the weather in California is great. We can do things outdoors in good weather while you guys are stuck indoors in front of a keyboard bitching about Kalifornistan or something.
Go ahead, make fun of California but I won't be listening - I'm riding over to the bank in this 65 degree weather to deposit some more profit....
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:21:11 AM EDT
The Marine Corps was paying me a monthly $2,000 non-taxable allowance to live off base in San Diego. The tiny condo I was living in has been put on the market for $350,000.

Some people will make out like a bandit, others will find themselves sleeping out of the backs of cars.

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:49:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tonkaman:
Why do people who don't live in California, where the paychecks are good and profit on the sale of real estate is good, always bitch about California?
We in California don't bitch about your low pay, high unemployment, and lousy weather. We never even bring it up in conversation.
Believe it or not, there are guns in California! Lots of them! And places to shoot!
California does have crappy politicians, but then, truthfully, don't most states?
And you have to admit, the weather in California is great. We can do things outdoors in good weather while you guys are stuck indoors in front of a keyboard bitching about Kalifornistan or something.
Go ahead, make fun of California but I won't be listening - I'm riding over to the bank in this 65 degree weather to deposit some more profit....



Oh, save it. I make more money in Ohio than I did as a Bay Area network engineer, and is literaly costs less than 1/3 as much to live here. I left for a bunch of reasons, and guns were but a small one.

1. I actually enjoy the change of seasons, and have discovered that someone invented warm clothing. Oddly enough, I'm never cold.
2. There's 3/4 of a mile distance between me and the neighbors to my rear, and I pay less than $700/mo for this and the ability to shoot in my own backyard.
3. My brand new car cost me a whopping $45 for tags.
4. People here are closer to a sane person's definition of normal. Every state has their share of whack-jobs, but California has the market cornered. It's been a year, and my memory isn't that short.
5. I can legaly purchase an AR (or most anything else, for that matter). From my neighbor. Cash.
6. I don't have to suck anyone's dick to arm myself and protect myself in public. I was denied 3 times in California, in two counties and 3 cities, within 5 years.
7. I pay 4.5 cents per kilowatt hour for electricity.
8. The difference in roads are night and day.
9. The state leaves it up to me to decide whether or not I'd like to wear a motorcycle helmet.
10. The state respects property rights enough to let business owners decide if they should permit smoking in their establishments. A few cities don't see it this way.

THIS IS THE BIG ONE:
11. Most decisions are made on a local level. The state realizes that the needs of it's metropolitan citizens are entirely different than those of it's rural residents. Large cities like Toledo, Akron, Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati and Dayton are decidedly liberal and almost feel like California, only with colder weather. In California, the wants and needs of SF and LA residents are applied to the entire state. Don't like it? You have to leave the state. In Ohio, you merely need to move a few miles in any direction.

If California was anything like #11, I might have thought twice about moving. In fact, if California was anything like Ohio in that regard, most of the things I like about Ohio would fall into place on their own.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:04:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:11:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DVDTracker:

Originally Posted By Tonkaman:
Go ahead, make fun of California but I won't be listening - I'm riding over to the bank in this 65 degree weather to deposit some more profit....



So am I, but it's 67 and I'm armed.

Lived in CA twenty years and have NO desire to move back.



I've been to Texas many times and met many great Texans. I'm glad you enjoy living there and not here.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:13:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 10:17:05 AM EDT by Tonkaman]

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By Tonkaman:
Why do people who don't live in California, where the paychecks are good and profit on the sale of real estate is good, always bitch about California?
We in California don't bitch about your low pay, high unemployment, and lousy weather. We never even bring it up in conversation.
Believe it or not, there are guns in California! Lots of them! And places to shoot!
California does have crappy politicians, but then, truthfully, don't most states?
And you have to admit, the weather in California is great. We can do things outdoors in good weather while you guys are stuck indoors in front of a keyboard bitching about Kalifornistan or something.
Go ahead, make fun of California but I won't be listening - I'm riding over to the bank in this 65 degree weather to deposit some more profit....



Oh, save it.

blah, blah, blah,...Kalifornia sucks, .....blah, blah, blah...


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I'm glad you finally found a home. Have a great life.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 10:14:40 AM EDT
Just waiting for drop in housing prices.
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