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Posted: 1/29/2006 6:00:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/29/2006 7:38:44 PM EDT by LANCEMAN]
Probably will hear about this more and more in the future as sprawl consumes previously rural areas. So how is noise reduced at an outdoor gun club ? Just curious myself, do they build higher berms or install some kind of material that can absorb sound ? Supressors for everybody ?


Noise violations close gun club
AP
Originally published January 29, 2006

CUMBERLAND // A judge has ordered the closure of a Western Maryland gun club, ruling that shooting there exceeded state noise standards.
Allegany County Circuit Judge Gary G. Leasure also fined the Lonaconing Trap Club $1,000 in a ruling issued Friday.

The Maryland Department of the Environment began to monitor the club after receiving complaints from residents in 2003.

Guns were fired at the club as many as 5,000 times a week during the 22-week shooting session, and the MDE found that the sound of the gunshots registered above 80 decibels at nearby residences. The legal noise limit in a residential neighborhood is 65 decibels.

The club will be allowed to reopen if it meets sound requirements.




http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/local/bal-md.gun29jan29,1,2714524.story?track=rss
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 6:10:17 PM EDT
How about the pussies just not move to any area with such noise, if they object to it. The thought process of these idiots is similar to fucking morons who move right next to an airport, and then bitch about the sound coming from the airport.

It is a miracle of human stupidity that people like this are allowed the get their way. I'd just as soon stick a feces-covered knife in their fat belly.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 6:10:26 PM EDT
How much you want to bet the range was there first, and the "residential" neighborhood moved in KNOWING that there was a range there. If I was the judge I would have told them to go pound sand, the range was there first.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 6:13:48 PM EDT
How about the pussies just not move to any area with such noise, if they object to it. The thought process of these idiots is similar to fucking morons who move right next to an airport, and then bitch about the sound coming from the airport.

It is a miracle of human stupidity that people like this are allowed the get their way. I'd just as soon stick a feces-covered knife in their fat belly.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 6:23:03 PM EDT
I have a complaint about all the noise coming from the Democratic National Committee. I wonder if I can get that closed.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 6:51:13 PM EDT
NC has a grandfather clause, no club before the clause was passed can be closed due to noize
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 6:59:19 PM EDT
Maybe they should sell the gun club land to someone who would build low rent housing
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 7:04:52 PM EDT
They are picking them off one-by-one, I guess one way to discourage gun ownership is to not have anywhere for people to shoot them


Green Oak gun-range noise lawsuit to proceed - Michigan
Judge orders new tests at state's Island Lake recreation area
Saturday, January 28, 2006
A judge rejected a move Friday to dismiss a lawsuit against the state Department of Natural Resources and the Michigan Shooting Centers LLC for allegedly violating Green Oak Township's noise ordinance at the Island Lake State Recreation Area.

At the same time, Livingston County Circuit Court Judge Stanley Latreille ordered new, court-appointed sound tests at the range. In his opinion and order, Latreille said the court will likely appoint its own independent sound expert.

In June 2004 the township, where the range is located, filed suit against the DNR and Michigan Shooting Centers, which operates the range, saying it violated the noise ordinance, which confines noise to less than 65 decibels.

"I am pleased,'' said Township Supervisor Mark St. Charles, after hearing of the opinion and order.

DNR spokeswoman Mary Dettloff said the department was withholding comment on the ruling. "The law enforcement division has not seen the opinion, and the DNR is going to reserve comment until we have had a chance to review it,'' she said late Friday.

In his opinion, Latreille called the science of measuring sound a "complex area dependent on many factors, including the quality and placement of testing equipment,'' adding that the court "would be better served by the collection of additional data.''

Dettloff said the state has taken steps to alleviate the noise problem by installing straw bales at the shooting stations and constructing sheds where sporting enthusiasts fire at the moving targets.

Citizens for a Quiet Community, a group of shooting-range opponents who live close to the facility, charges that the state has failed to reduce the noise problem, while adding 10 shooting stations and increasing the hours of operation.




http://www.mlive.com/news/aanews/index.ssf?/base/news-16/1138446655266560.xml&coll=2
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 7:08:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
NC has a grandfather clause, no club before the clause was passed can be closed due to noize



Yep it was passed in 1997 under DEMOCRAT JIM HUNT's administration
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 7:09:33 PM EDT
Citizens for a Quiet Community, a group of shooting-range opponents who live close to the facility, charges that the state has failed to reduce the noise problem, while adding 10 shooting stations and increasing the hours of operation.

Link Posted: 1/29/2006 7:16:33 PM EDT
It appears that it is all about the noise these days. I imagine insurance costs will drive more ranges out of business as well as time goes on. One more story before bed.



Neighbors fight expansion of north Idaho gun range - Idaho
Edition Date: 01-08-2006
The Associated Press

COEUR D'ALENE — A $3.6 million plan to expand the gun range at north Idaho's Farragut State Park is attracting criticism and legal action.

Fifteen nearby residents are suing to stop the grant-financed project that would modernize and expand the former military shooting range. The Bayview-based group, Citizens Against Range Expansion, filed the suit because they are worried the expansion could increase the number of users at the range from about 200 to thousands.

The suit also claims the expanded range would be "noxious and disturbing" to park users and would "decrease surrounding property values and interfere with residents," reported The Spokesman-Review newspaper of Spokane, Wash.

But the Idaho Fish and Game Department contends the expansion will make the facility safer and accommodate a growing population, said Dave Leptich, a regional biologist for the department.

Earthen mounds and specialized shooting sheds at the range will reduce peak noise levels despite the increase in shooting, Leptich said.

The residents are asking for the expansion plans to be dropped and the number of shooters at the current range strictly limited.

Duane Nightengale, an acoustical engineer at Bayview's Navy acoustical research lab who consults for the anti-range group, has conducted his own measurements of noise coming from the range.

In April, he measured sound levels on nearby properties at night and noted at least four instances where sounds emitted from the range exceeded the county's industrial noise limit of 83 decibels.




http://www.idahostatesman.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060108/NEWS01/601080384/1001/NEWS
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 7:19:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/29/2006 7:21:35 PM EDT by SS109]
Just let everyone use silencers like they do in France!

The Colorado Legislture has passed laws protecting shooting ranges, hopefully they will work.

Most of the outdoor ranges near me all have waiting lists to join.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 7:25:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:
It appears that it is all about the noise these days. I imagine insurance costs will drive more ranges out of business as well as time goes on. One more story before bed.



Neighbors fight expansion of north Idaho gun range - Idaho
Edition Date: 01-08-2006
The Associated Press

COEUR D'ALENE — A $3.6 million plan to expand the gun range at north Idaho's Farragut State Park is attracting criticism and legal action.

Fifteen nearby residents are suing to stop the grant-financed project that would modernize and expand the former military shooting range. The Bayview-based group, Citizens Against Range Expansion, filed the suit because they are worried the expansion could increase the number of users at the range from about 200 to thousands.

The suit also claims the expanded range would be "noxious and disturbing" to park users and would "decrease surrounding property values and interfere with residents," reported The Spokesman-Review newspaper of Spokane, Wash.

But the Idaho Fish and Game Department contends the expansion will make the facility safer and accommodate a growing population, said Dave Leptich, a regional biologist for the department.

Earthen mounds and specialized shooting sheds at the range will reduce peak noise levels despite the increase in shooting, Leptich said.

The residents are asking for the expansion plans to be dropped and the number of shooters at the current range strictly limited.

Duane Nightengale, an acoustical engineer at Bayview's Navy acoustical research lab who consults for the anti-range group, has conducted his own measurements of noise coming from the range.

In April, he measured sound levels on nearby properties at night and noted at least four instances where sounds emitted from the range exceeded the county's industrial noise limit of 83 decibels.




http://www.idahostatesman.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060108/NEWS01/601080384/1001/NEWS



I saw that in my NRA alert mail the other day.

A couple of years ago the CDA area was a quiet, semi-rural area and #1 on my "places to move to". Now it's EXPLODED with growth, areas that were nothing but trees and sparse single-family homes are malls, subdivisions packed like cordwood, traffic lights and traffic jams. It looks like any cookie-cutter tract in Anytown USA now.

The place reeks of Borg from the PRK and wall-to-wall soccer mommies that don't give a shit about anything that was in place before they showed up to "save" the backwater hicks from themselves and their "boring" lives.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 7:31:16 PM EDT
You notice a lot of these socialist Democrat supporters are fleeing the very laws and programs they supported in Kalifornia and bringing them with them to Idaho.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 7:35:09 PM EDT
It would be intersting to see how much noisetheir lawn mowers make. I would be driving through town with a decible meter calling the police to cite every person who violated the noise laws.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 7:37:17 PM EDT
The story does not provide enough information.

Is 65 Decibels the peak noise allowed or average noise level over a period of time.
Based on my experience, it is like the CNEL (Community Noise Equivalent Level) is the average over a given time interval. Yes the peak noise on a shot by shot basis may exceed, but this should be reduced over time. It also does not say wether this is the outdoor or indoor standard.

Also, it sounds like the homes were constructed post the gunclubs begining operations. Therefore, it was an existing condition prior to occupancy by the homeowners. Therefore, they purchased under this situation and should be held to it.

Lastly, someone commented on the issue of noise berms. There are a number of remedies that can be used including noise berms, such as sound walls, and vegetation, which can reduce noise by a suprising amount.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 7:39:08 PM EDT
Remove silencers from the NFA!

Link Posted: 1/29/2006 7:44:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KyBlaster:
I have a complaint about all the noise coming from the Democratic National Committee. I wonder if I can get that closed.



very nice
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 7:49:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Kooter:
How much you want to bet the range was there first, and the "residential" neighborhood moved in KNOWING that there was a range there. If I was the judge I would have told them to go pound sand, the range was there first.



Would not be suprised. Similar situation happening at the range I shoot at. Its not shut down yet but the members were told at one county commission meeting at least a year ago not to make any further improvements as "development" is coming, or moving in the direction of the range, and our time there in the future will be coming to a close.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 7:58:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
You notice a lot of these socialist Democrat supporters are fleeing the very laws and programs they supported in Kalifornia and bringing them with them to Idaho.



Yeah people do bring their voting habits with them when they move and basically turn whatever new place they moved to into the same ant-gun shithole they just fled from.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 8:05:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cyclone:
Maybe they should sell the gun club land to someone who would build low rent housingprojects



Perfect payback!
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 8:14:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
NC has a grandfather clause, no club before the clause was passed can be closed due to noize



Same in MA, although some communities will still try to make a stink. The law says "go pound sand". Real estate agents and sellers must notify house and property buyers in writing that there is a gun range in the area.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 8:18:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cyclone:
Maybe they should sell the gun club land to someone who would build low rent housing



That's just what the president of our club threatened to do at a town meeting a few years ago, when some well-heeled liberal newcomers complained about the noise of gunfire two miles away from them...


"If you want to get rid of our gun club, be careful what you wish for. You just might get it. We'll bring out here just who you came here to get away from, and in large numbers. Have fun." was his reply.

No problem from the whiners since.
Link Posted: 1/29/2006 8:44:16 PM EDT
We have a range in Tacoma, Wa that was going through a similar problem several years ago. It has been there for 100+ years(or close to it). Then the city grew around it. Neighbors started complaining, then took the range to court. Judge told the neighbors it was there first, you knew it was there, tough shit(not his exact words).

It is kind of funny looking at an aerial map of the area. Lots of houses surrounding a long, wooded area.
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 4:55:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 95thFoot:

Originally Posted By AssaultRifler:
NC has a grandfather clause, no club before the clause was passed can be closed due to noize



Same in MA, although some communities will still try to make a stink. The law says "go pound sand". Real estate agents and sellers must notify house and property buyers in writing that there is a gun range in the area.



Probably the only thing the MA legislature has done in favor of gun owners...

"Chapter 214: Section 7B. Noise pollution; shooting ranges; exemption from liability; hours of operation

Section 7B. Notwithstanding the provisions of any general or special law, rule or regulation to the contrary, no owner of a rifle, pistol, silhouette, skeet, trap, blackpowder, or other similar range shall be liable in any civil action or criminal prosecution in any matter relating to noise or noise pollution resulting from use of the range, provided said owner of the range was in compliance with any applicable noise control law, ordinance or by-laws in existence at the time of the construction of such range.

No owner shall be liable in any action for nuisance, and no court shall enjoin the use or operation of said range on the basis of noise or noise pollution, provided said owner was in compliance with any noise control law, ordinance or by-laws in existence at the time of the construction of the range.

The exemptions from liability and the immunities from prosecution provided in this section shall also extend to any owner who, in order to satisfy a requirement of law, regulation or by-law, relocates his range within the same parcel of land or a contiguous parcel of land, owned by him at the time that the commonwealth or its political subdivision commences enforcement of such a requirement or that the owner voluntarily complies with such a requirement. In order to maintain these exemptions from liability and immunities from prosecution, owners who relocate their ranges pursuant to the preceding sentence shall remain in compliance with the applicable noise control laws, ordinances or by-laws in existence at the time of the construction of the original range described in the first paragraph.

No standards in rules adopted by any state, city, or town agency for limiting levels of noise in terms of decibel level which may occur in the outdoor atmosphere shall apply to the ranges exempted from liability under the provisions of this section. Such ranges shall be prohibited from operating between the hours of ten o’clock post meridian and eight o’clock ante meridian unless otherwise allowed by the local governing body".

www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/214-7b.htm
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 4:58:29 AM EDT
So, make suppressors easier & cheaper to own
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 5:12:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Kooter:
We have a range in Tacoma, Wa that was going through a similar problem several years ago. It has been there for 100+ years(or close to it). Then the city grew around it. Neighbors started complaining, then took the range to court. Judge told the neighbors it was there first, you knew it was there, tough shit(not his exact words).

It is kind of funny looking at an aerial map of the area. Lots of houses surrounding a long, wooded area.



And failing in getting a judge to side with them over noise and/or safety issues, some communities, neighbors, developers, etc have tried to get ranges shut-down over enviromental concerns.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/leadcont.htm

"Poisonous Pastime
The Health Risks of Shooting Ranges and Lead to Children, Families, and the Environment"
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 5:16:21 AM EDT
what happened to the NRA range protection bill?
Link Posted: 1/30/2006 11:23:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LoginName:

Originally Posted By Kooter:
We have a range in Tacoma, Wa that was going through a similar problem several years ago. It has been there for 100+ years(or close to it). Then the city grew around it. Neighbors started complaining, then took the range to court. Judge told the neighbors it was there first, you knew it was there, tough shit(not his exact words).

It is kind of funny looking at an aerial map of the area. Lots of houses surrounding a long, wooded area.



And failing in getting a judge to side with them over noise and/or safety issues, some communities, neighbors, developers, etc have tried to get ranges shut-down over enviromental concerns.

http://www.vpc.org/studies/leadcont.htm

"Poisonous Pastime
The Health Risks of Shooting Ranges and Lead to Children, Families, and the Environment"



A couple neighbors near a local gravel pit are trying to use the lead levels to shut the pit down to shooting. So far it hasn't worked.
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