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Posted: 1/28/2006 6:10:53 PM EDT
I want to hear everyone's thougths on this. I couldn't find any similar topic on the forum.

If the US were invaded by another country, or if something else catastrophic happened and we needed to organize to fight off a large group of people, would having a full auto firearm be a necessary thing? Or would a semi-auto suffice? I am poor so all I have is a mini-14 and sks. I have tons of magazines and ammo for both. But would I survive if I joined the militia to fight off the invaders, or would I be dead meat if I didn't have a full automatic for suppressing fire?

I know that full auto can come in handy during certain situations. For example, if a target is running perpendicular to me, it would be hard to hit it with one shot from a semi-auto. But with an automatic, I could just sweep in the general area and hit it. I wonder what other situations would full auto fire be necessary for? Should I get one when I can afford it in a few years, or just save my money for ammunition to practice with, if I want to be a good rifleman and be able to fight off any threat to our country?
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:13:40 PM EDT
If the offending threat is equiped with FA. and your squad is not equipped with FA. Your squad will most likely fail.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:14:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:15:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2006 6:16:04 PM EDT by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By Stewart26:
I want to hear everyone's thougths on this. I couldn't find any similar topic on the forum.

If the US were invaded by another country, or if something else catastrophic happened and we needed to organize to fight off a large group of people, would having a full auto firearm be a necessary thing? Or would a semi-auto suffice? I am poor so all I have is a mini-14 and sks. I have tons of magazines and ammo for both. But would I survive if I joined the militia to fight off the invaders, or would I be dead meat if I didn't have a full automatic for suppressing fire?

I know that full auto can come in handy during certain situations. For example, if a target is running perpendicular to me, it would be hard to hit it with one shot from a semi-auto. But with an automatic, I could just sweep in the general area and hit it. I wonder what other situations would full auto fire be necessary for? Should I get one when I can afford it in a few years, or just save my money for ammunition to practice with, if I want to be a good rifleman and be able to fight off any threat to our country?




The highligted part is really more appropriate to video games than real life, in my experience.

Full auto is not really THAT important, in my opinion. The application where it was important during my military training was for urban assault and house clearing, but for the vast majority of military application, AIMED semi-auto was the way to go.

If you are talking about some kinf og SHTF or TEOTWAWKI scenario, where you will not be resupplied by a friendly sergeant, then aimed semi-auto fire becomes even more important.

I'd like to have full auto, but I don't really ever anticipate any real NEED for it, even if my craziest fantasies/nightmares.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:15:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2006 6:18:59 PM EDT by TrashHeap]
I agree

I want an FA cross bow.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:16:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2006 6:16:47 PM EDT by vanilla_gorilla]
Tagged.


Popcorn....check
Drink....check
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:16:50 PM EDT
Spend your money on practice ammo. Full-auto fire from magazine fed rifles has its place, but it is not that far superior to semi fire, especially if you spent the savings on shoting classes and practice ammo.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:17:34 PM EDT
Get the semi, get some training, and until then, don't worry about it.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:17:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stewart26:
I know that full auto can come in handy during certain situations. For example, if a target is running perpendicular to me, it would be hard to hit it with one shot from a semi-auto. But with an automatic, I could just sweep in the general area and hit it.



The A-Team had full auto rifles and they never hit anybody!
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:18:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TrashHeap:
If the offending threat is equiped with FA. and your squad is not equipped with FA. Your squad will most likely fail.



GET BACK IN YOUR LANE!
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:18:46 PM EDT
Hell No!

A SAW gunner may round out a combat unit well. But in the Civilian scenario, full auto is a complete waste of ammo under 99% of the realistic combat scenarios.

The only time it might be handy is if your postition is being overrun. But then you're already fucked big time.

Aimed fire has always ruled the fight; especially if the odds are stacked against you. WELL AIMED FIRE will beat a slew of full auto fire every day of the week!
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:19:02 PM EDT
No. FA is only effective with combined arms trained as a squad element.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:19:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2006 6:20:32 PM EDT by Da_Bunny]
No. Full auto is cheaper than teaching everybody how to shoot.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:19:28 PM EDT
I've fired an MP5... IMO FA weapons are needs for Zombie outbreaks.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:20:49 PM EDT
No.



But it's fun!
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:21:07 PM EDT
An invasion on US soil would most likely be won by deer rifles and not so called AW's.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:21:23 PM EDT
You will be fine. I once had a mini 14 and sks as my primary weapons and Iwas just as lethal then as I am now with ARs and an M1A. The deadliest weapon on the battlefield is one well aimed shot.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:21:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:
This should be entertaining...



About as entertaining as members of the 82nd Airborne doing gay porn?
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:22:36 PM EDT
I have a headache now.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:23:31 PM EDT
Yes!! TRASH HEAP. I agree. M98's and Rem 700's will be very needed for homeland invasion.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:24:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:
This should be entertaining...



About as entertaining as members of the 82nd Airborne doing gay porn?



That's f'ed up.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:24:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:
This should be entertaining...



About as entertaining as members of the 82nd Airborne doing gay porn?





How long before hollyweird makes a movie about that.

We gave you broke butt mountain...Now we give you____________________
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:24:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:25:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By vanilla_gorilla:
Tagged.


Popcorn....check
Drink....check




Hip waders.....Check

Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:25:34 PM EDT
Happiness is a belt fed weapon.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:26:53 PM EDT
Full-auto is always more fun than semi-auto.
Full-auto also sounds cooler than semi-auto.
I vote for full-auto. And magnum. I want full-auto-magnum for self defence. With a fluted barrel and ACOG.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:27:45 PM EDT
Oh,Oh,Oh

Don't forget the 50bmg which can kill someone from 10 miles away. It's true, ask Sen. Fineswine (D) Cal.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:28:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:
This should be entertaining...



About as entertaining as members of the 82nd Airborne doing gay porn?



Dude, thats not cool. I am sure that 82ndAbn was hard up for cash and was desperate. Let's let him put this behind him and move on!
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:29:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CannoncockerUSMC:
You will be fine. I once had a mini 14 and sks as my primary weapons and Iwas just as lethal then as I am now with ARs and an M1A. The deadliest weapon on the battlefield is one well aimed shot.



That's reassuring. I think I will be fine, then. I have some high-quality magazines for the mini 14, and I think I should get a nice ammo vest with lots of pockets, to hold all the magazines. Then I'll be all set.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:29:42 PM EDT
If i"m gonna shoot a BG, attacking me in the open, I'm going to shoot him 3-5 times anyway.

WHy not do it with a burst?
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:30:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TrashHeap:
An invasion on US soil would most likely be won by deer rifles logistics and not so called AW's.



1) When you are fighting someone with armored vehicles, air cover. tanks,mortars and full auto heavy caliber weapons it won't matter if you have an M4 or 30/30

2) The good news is no one other than the US could muster the logistics to get all that junk over here.

3) We will fall from unchecked immigration and internal fifth columnists. Not a miltary invasion. hopefully it's not too late.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:30:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Dude, thats not cool. I am sure that 82ndAbn was hard up for cash and was desperate. Let's let him put this behind him and move on!





Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:31:31 PM EDT
WOLVERINES!















Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:32:21 PM EDT
I say no, if we are invaded 95% of my shooting is going to be from no less then 300 yards, more then likely at over 500 yards, I doubt if I'd fire more then 2 shots without moving positions. An AR at close range would ONLY be used if I am stuck and cannot run.

Im not getting killed if I can help it, hell im not in the militery nobodys giving me any orders my only objective will be kill as many enemy as possible each day from as far as possible. I always was a bit curious, I wonder how big a hole .300 Mag will put.


I figure if I shoot once, and if everybody takes cover I can move locations and attack again in an hour or so. If some are still in the open fire a second time and then retreat.

I wont be sitting at my house trying to defend it, more then likely my family will have evacuated if possible, so I'll be moving around playing sniper and giving emm hell.


Of course if possible I will pick up all enemys supplies and weapons, even after its all over I could always sell the weapons I pick up.



I think this is sorta a situation everybody here has been waiting their entire lives for .
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:33:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By weptek911:

Originally Posted By TrashHeap:
An invasion on US soil would most likely be won by deer rifles logistics and not so called AW's.



1) When you are fighting someone with armored vehicles, air cover. tanks,mortars and full auto heavy caliber weapons it won't matter if you have an M4 or 30/30

2) The good news is no one other than the US could muster the logistics to get all that junk over here.

3) We will fall from unchecked immigration and internal fifth columnists. Not a miltary invasion. hopefully it's not too late.



Wow, that just depressed me.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:49:26 PM EDT
military invasion?

By WHO? China doesn't have the capability to project its power, and even when it does 20 years down the road, who's to say their regime wouldn't have softened up with the huge influx of trade and wealth? Also, the American military isn't going to be stepping down from the top any time soon. I'd say, FA isn't absolutely needed... In most situations having a high cyclic rate semi auto can be just as good as having FA.

CQB would be a nice time to have FA capability though, haha
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:50:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By gordon_freeman:
military invasion?

By WHO? China doesn't have the capability to project its power, and even when it does 20 years down the road, who's to say their regime wouldn't have softened up with the huge influx of trade and wealth? Also, the American military isn't going to be stepping down from the top any time soon. I'd say, FA isn't absolutely needed... In most situations having a high cyclic rate semi auto can be just as good as having FA.

CQB would be a nice time to have FA capability though, haha



Think a civil war.
Against La Raza in the southwest, or an open civil war between competing factions of American gov't.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:54:58 PM EDT
Yes, La Raza armed by Hugo Chavez.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:57:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2006 6:59:36 PM EDT by ICEAGE]
China is pretty dangerous though, they have the man power, how much bigger is there militery then ours? I dont think they are as good as Americas Militery but they have a hell of alot of people, if they team up with another country they could be a problem (North Korea would join them for sure).

But I seriously doubt if any country would be crazy enough to invade us. China will prolly end up invading some other country though, they are running out of space to put people.

Just IMHO. USA being invaded = suiside for enemy. Fighting the government? Not any time soon.

I'd say SHTF and TEOTWAWKI wont happen any time soon, we are just nuts

Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:59:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ICEAGE:
China is pretty dangerous though, they have the man power, how much bigger is there militery then ours? I dont think they are as good as Americas Militery but they have a hell of alot of people, if they team up with another country they could be a problem (North Korea would join them for sure).

But I seriously doubt if any country would be crazy enough to invade us. China will prolly end up invading some other country though, they are running out of space to put people.

Just IMHO. USA being invaded = suiside for enemy. Fighting the government? Not any time soon.

I'd say SHTF and TEOTWAWKI wont happen any time soon, we are just nuts



Who ever said fighting the gov't?
I said a civil war between two competing factions.
Just because America hasn't had a war over election results, doesn't mean it won't ever.
Notice how more and more and more elections become contested?
Eventually, we will see a "bleeding kansas" crop up.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:05:34 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:10:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By weptek911:

Originally Posted By TrashHeap:
An invasion on US soil would most likely be won by deer rifles logistics and not so called AW's.



1) When you are fighting someone with armored vehicles, air cover. tanks,mortars and full auto heavy caliber weapons it won't matter if you have an M4 or 30/30

2) The good news is no one other than the US could muster the logistics to get all that junk over here.

3) We will fall from unchecked immigration and internal fifth columnists. Not a miltary invasion. hopefully it's not too late.



I agree with a lot of this. I think it'd be more like the liberals get control again, give that control to the UN, then use our own tax money to bring foreign equipment and troops here. If it isn't stopped as soon as it starts to happen, we're sunk.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:14:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stewart26:
I want to hear everyone's thougths on this. I couldn't find any similar topic on the forum.

If the US were invaded by another country, or if something else catastrophic happened and we needed to organize to fight off a large group of people, would having a full auto firearm be a necessary thing? Or would a semi-auto suffice? I am poor so all I have is a mini-14 and sks. I have tons of magazines and ammo for both. But would I survive if I joined the militia to fight off the invaders, or would I be dead meat if I didn't have a full automatic for suppressing fire?

I know that full auto can come in handy during certain situations. For example, if a target is running perpendicular to me, it would be hard to hit it with one shot from a semi-auto. But with an automatic, I could just sweep in the general area and hit it. I wonder what other situations would full auto fire be necessary for? Should I get one when I can afford it in a few years, or just save my money for ammunition to practice with, if I want to be a good rifleman and be able to fight off any threat to our country?



if you want to be a good rifleman and be able to fight off any threat to our country I suggest you join the military.

Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:15:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2006 7:17:08 PM EDT by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By ICEAGE:
China will prolly end up invading some other country though, they are running out of space to put people.




What?


You are aware that India is something like a third the size of China, right?
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:15:40 PM EDT
Nope - FA not necessary.

Besides - by using my my semi-auto, I will be obtaining some full-auto weapons anyway.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:16:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bastiat:

Originally Posted By Stewart26:
I know that full auto can come in handy during certain situations. For example, if a target is running perpendicular to me, it would be hard to hit it with one shot from a semi-auto. But with an automatic, I could just sweep in the general area and hit it.



The A-Team had full auto rifles and they never hit anybody!



Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:24:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRegulator:
Yes, La Raza armed by Hugo Chavez.



I hope so . . .. all we need is a good excuse.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:26:27 PM EDT
You guys missed his really important points to wit:

But would I survive if I joined the militia to fight off the invaders, or would I be dead meat if I didn't have a full automatic for suppressing fire?

Yes and Yes

Your militia platoon sgt will be responsible for suppressing fire. You didn't think you were going to start at the top did you? You'll be a mess cook for the first few years.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:30:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stewart26: I want to hear everyone's thougths on this. I couldn't find any similar topic on the forum.
Is a full-auto rifle useful for defense? Son, is the Pope a Catholic?
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:34:12 PM EDT
On a personal rifle? No.

On a SAW? Yes.

Just my opinion.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:38:20 PM EDT
Full Auto owner here and I would take a semi over a full auto any day. They have there place but I like to place my shots and save the ammo for the zombies when they come!

And they are comming!!!
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