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Posted: 1/28/2006 12:32:48 PM EDT
I heard about this group many months ago but I just received a email today from them and figured if I got one them alot of other gunowners are getting their email as well.

They are a "Pro-gun" group that needs your $ to defend and protect the 2nd Ammendment.

Their webpage is www.huntersandshooters.com

Please pass the word around that they are anti-gun lobby group hidden under NRA sheep's wool.

Make sure you and your friends do not send money to huntersandshooters.com !

Please post this at ANY pro-gun websites that you frequent. I pretty much hangout here and saiga12.com.

I urge everyone to go and check out their website and look DEEP into their gun rights section. Whenever they mention the word "regulate" they actually mean BAN. They have changed their stance on a few things just to look more conservative.

A bunch of snakes, they are !

LB
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 12:44:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2006 1:07:35 PM EDT by USMC_LB]
If you read this post please bump it so others can be warned about these anti-gunners !

AHSA believes the FBI SHOULD BE given reasonable access to National Instant Check System (NICS) purchase
records to insure terrorists and other prohibited individuals do not have access to firearms.

huntersandshooters.com believes that gunowners should never transfer a firearm to a stranger without first
going to a licensed dealer or to local law enforcement to obtain a background check.

huntersandshooters.com supports MANDATORY background checks at gunshows.

huntersandshooters.com supports the regulation of .50BMG rifles and would like to see them
registered just like machine guns are now. I wonder what they would want to force "others" to
register next ?

LB
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 12:55:41 PM EDT
bumpage
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 1:02:29 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 1:03:37 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/28/2006 1:07:10 PM EDT
From the site.


Under the Constitution and laws of the United States, gun ownership is a protected right. But this right when exercised, requires the utmost in responsibility and vigilance. No constitutional right to bear arms exists for criminals, terrorists, or others who seek to abuse the very freedoms our Constitution guarantees. The law is crystal clear on this point: reasonable laws designed to keep guns out of the wrong hands are entirely consistent with the Second Amendment.

AHSA legislative policy will always promote the common sense interests of hunters and shooters. AHSA also will always give top priority to the basic safety and security interests of our communities. In short, AHSA supports rational, deliberative firearms policy crafted to protect our sport and our communities. Moreover, AHSA strongly opposes legislative proposals that violate Second amendment rights by impeding access to firearms by law-abiding citizens. By faithful adherence to basic Second Amendment principles, while balancing the needs of our sport and the needs of our community, AHSA will promote rational and practical firearms policies that serve to bring Americans together.

Link Posted: 1/28/2006 1:10:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2006 1:42:53 PM EDT by WayneD]
They start off sounding pretty good but after you get past the front page you'll find they support banning .50 cal. rifles and they support background checks for ALL sales at gun shows. They are just another bunch of so-called sportsmen who don't give a shit if doesn't affect their duck hunting.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 1:14:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By WayneD:
They start off sounding pretty good but after you get past the front page you'll find they support banning .50 cal. rifles and they support background checks for ALL sales at gun shows. They are just another bunch of so-called sportsmen who don't give a shit if doesn't affect their duck hunting.


Nope.Rabid anti-gunners TRYING to sound like "reasonable" sportsmen.See.You fell for it.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 1:15:23 PM EDT
NRA highpower is obviously not a legitimate sport to them
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 1:16:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/28/2006 1:22:30 PM EDT by nightstalker]
They have enough wrong that I'd never support them. They make the same mistake of equating citizens to "criminals". Criminals violate the law when they "try" to buy a gun, so let's get real and just identify them as they do this and incarcerate them for their efforts. What do they do about it in reality...nothing....except make it more difficult for a citizen to buy one. Not a lot of genius there.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 1:17:30 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/28/2006 1:35:24 PM EDT
They have spent alot of time hiding what they are. They LOOK good but if you read just a little they start to smell.

Id say they suck and not in a good way.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 1:38:36 PM EDT
btt
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 1:41:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 1:41:52 PM EDT
They've been exposed here before, but it's good to have this come up every few months.

These aren't Elmer Fudds who hate everything but their "deer/duck guns", these are rabid anti-gunners trying to fool the Elmer Fudds into helping them out. This is like John Kerry trying to appeal to Elmer Fudds during the election.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 1:43:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By nightstalker:
They have enough wrong that I'd never support them. They make the same mistake of equating citizens to "criminals". Criminals violate the law when they "try" to buy a gun, so let's get real and just identify them as they do this and incarcerate them for their efforts. What do they do about it in reality...nothing....except make it more difficult for a citizen to buy one. Not a lot of genius there.



It isn't a mistake.
The gungrabbers must have been reading up on their Sun Tzu...divide and conquer.
They set the Elmer Fudd types against the EBR owners.
By seperating gun owners, they make it more likely that the Fudds will throw us to the wolves in an attempt to placate them.
Only way to rectify this is to make more EBR owners - so next time you go to the range, bring someone along with you, someone who is not familiar with EBRs.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 1:48:52 PM EDT
Hmmmm. A little research goes a long way.

First, I was not able to find any reference to the NRA, anywhere in their website. American Hunters and Shooter Association. (AHSA) even has their own gun safety steps when the steps developed by the NRA could be used instead.

Second, the AHSA Executive Vice President is John E. Rosenthal. Is this the same John Rosenthal that is the co-founder of Stop Handgun Violence? Makes you wonder if this may be the same Massachusetts real estate developer that helped push through all the draconian gun laws in Massachusetts.

Apparently, the “reasonable” gun laws that AHSA want to make national are the same gun laws now in place in Massachusetts.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 1:52:40 PM EDT
I saw this on their site:

"The American Hunting and Shooting Association emphasizes that keeping a firearm for home protection is not appropriate for all homes or all individuals."

In other words, government should decide who does and doesn't have the right to own a firearm. Great.

I wonder how many people fall for this crap.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 2:00:26 PM EDT
Bumpa-dee-aada
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 2:01:04 PM EDT
If it looks like shit, smells like shit and your still not convinced then taste it.........
By God if it tastes like shit than it most certainly is.

Luckily I didn't have to taste it, I was convinced by the look and the smell.

Sneaky f**ckers, lets start an email storm.

How about crashing the server........legally of course.
Pick a time and everyone click on their webpage?
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 2:03:29 PM EDT
Bump.

I don't browse any big hunting forums, but for those of you that do, please
post this info there.

Sneaky fuggers.



Link Posted: 1/28/2006 2:16:43 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/28/2006 2:19:16 PM EDT
Wonder what the NRA has to say about this group.
I'm curious as this is the first time I've heard of them and usually the NRA is all over a group like this.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 3:49:51 PM EDT
Check these SUPPOSEDLY Pro-Gun groups-

Smith & Wesson: “Authorized dealers cannot sell at gun shows unless every seller at the gun show conducts background checks.” Company Statement of Policy March 17, 2000.

National Alliance of Stocking Gun Dealers: “Do something about the `gun shows.' Either shut them down or regulate them and restrict their activities to legal transactions in firearms. The Grand Bazaar approach that we now have ensures that every pugnacious child with a grudge to settle and every other form of human predator have easy access to all the firearms that they might desire, while the legitimate firearm owner is increasingly saddled with more and more onerous restrictions”. Bill Bridgewater, Executive Director of the National Alliance of Stocking Gun Dealers, in a 1993 letter to the House of Representatives Crime and Criminal Justice Subcommittee.

National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF) and Sporting Arms and Ammunition Manufacturer’s Institute (SAAMI): “[The] Industry supports background checks at gun shows provided the FBI does not maintain the names in violation of the law and the administration agrees to be more aggressive in prosecution of felons turned up by the background checks.” Robert T. Delfay, President and CEO, 1999.

American Shooting Sports Council, Inc. (ASSC): "The ASSC Board supports requiring all transfers of firearms at gun shows to be subject to all federal, state and local laws and regulations currently applicable to federally licensed firearm dealers including the conducting of the instant background check on purchasers." Minutes of the Board of Directors Meeting, November 21,1998. Board Members include: Glock,Inc., Smith & Wesson, Heckler & Koch and Taurus.


Check out their site, full of all kinda ANti-goodness
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 4:02:36 PM EDT
UK Forum Link


anti-gun groups are not always sucessful

Taffy
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 4:05:16 PM EDT
bumpage
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 4:13:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Taffy223:
UK Forum Link


anti-gun groups are not always sucessful

Taffy



Brilliant!! I hope you were not involved with that Taffy!

Within a fortnight, van loads of bricks, telephone directories, heavy books, abusive letters and animal excrement were sent to the league’s offices in South London. One hunter posted a dead squirrel.

Translated:

Within two weeks, truck loads of bricks, telephone directories, heavy books, abusive letters and dog shit were sent to the league’s offices in South London. One hunter mailed a dead squirrel.

If I'd known, I would have mailed the opposum I hit with the car two weeks ago. It would have been ripe after its transatlantic voyage.

Link Posted: 1/28/2006 4:22:06 PM EDT
The President of the AHSA Foundation's donation record:

Mr. John E Rosenthal
President
Meredith Management

Donated to: John Kerry $2,000
resides at: 1212 West St Carlisle, MA 01741


A press release at: www.kidsandguns.org/study/inthenews.asp?ID=93


Another supporter on hand for the announcement was John E. Rosenthal, chairman of the Newton-based Stop Handgun Violence and owner of a parking garage near Fenway Park where a billboard visible to motorists on the Massachusetts Turnpike reads, "It's easier to childproof your gun than bulletproof your child."

Rosenthal said that in a country where five children die every day in gun-related accidents and suicides committed with guns, a new "non-polarizing" approach to the gun issue is necessary.



Link Posted: 1/28/2006 4:26:57 PM EDT
According to gun manufacturer/importer KBI/Charles Daly:



It was recently related to Charles Daly that a new organization called American Hunters and Shooters Association was giving away Charles Daly Shotguns to select “Founding Members.” While we appreciate that AHSA has a fine eye for quality shotguns, by no way does this amount to an implicit endorsement by Charles Daly of this new organization with a left leaning tilt.

The AHSA leadership is notorious for their alignment with decided anti-Second Amendment factions. Their leadership includes:

Ray Schoenke. This former Democratic gubernatorial candidate has championed many liberal causes in the past including Athletes For McGovern.

Bob Rickers. Once an NRA employee and former director of the firearms industry association, ASSC, Rickers has since switched sides and begun working for gun control groups lobbying to shut down gun shows and further restrict gun owners.

John Rosenthal. One of the founders of the Massachusetts based group Stop Handgun Violence, which has the led the fight in Massachusetts to pass the Gun Control Act of 1998, providing Massachusetts with the some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country requiring licensing, registration, gun safety training, and storage on all firearms. Further this act banned assault weapons and what the state deemed "junk guns” and requires gun dealers to perform background checks and register every firearm sold.

Jody Powell. Former press secretary to President Jimmy Carter.

Again, we are pleased that this association has chosen Charles Daly shotguns and appreciate their discerning eye when it comes to selecting a quality firearm. But Charles Daly is not associated with, nor does it endorse the American Hunters and Shooters Association.

Link Posted: 1/28/2006 5:22:53 PM EDT
Posted this info over at Shotgunworld.com and had some people agreeing with the WEBSITE!!!!!

We are doomed!
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 5:27:22 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/28/2006 5:33:48 PM EDT
They put out a lot of blabber. Honest people don't need complication. What they really are saying is they support "common sense gun regulations." (Hint: where's that from?)
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:17:20 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/28/2006 6:46:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AmericanPatriot1776:
Posted this info over at Shotgunworld.com and had some people agreeing with the WEBSITE!!!!!

We are doomed!



Posted over at Conservative Underground and I'm sure some of those alledged conservatives will agree*shakes head*
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:39:14 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:40:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BallisticTip:
From the site.


Under the Constitution and laws of the United States, gun ownership is a protected right. But this right when exercised, requires the utmost in responsibility and vigilance. No constitutional right to bear arms exists for criminals, terrorists, or others who seek to abuse the very freedoms our Constitution guarantees. The law is crystal clear on this point: reasonable laws designed to keep guns out of the wrong hands are entirely consistent with the Second Amendment.

AHSA legislative policy will always promote the common sense interests of hunters and shooters. AHSA also will always give top priority to the basic safety and security interests of our communities. In short, AHSA supports rational, deliberative firearms policy crafted to protect our sport and our communities. Moreover, AHSA strongly opposes legislative proposals that violate Second amendment rights by impeding access to firearms by law-abiding citizens. By faithful adherence to basic Second Amendment principles, while balancing the needs of our sport and the needs of our community, AHSA will promote rational and practical firearms policies that serve to bring Americans together.




Sounds like a bunch of lying fuckholes to me.

SG
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:42:25 PM EDT
bumpity bump
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:45:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AmericanPatriot1776:
Posted this info over at Shotgunworld.com and had some people agreeing with the WEBSITE!!!!!

We are doomed!





Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:45:26 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:52:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Collin:
The President of the AHSA Foundation's donation record:

Mr. John E Rosenthal
President
Meredith Management

Donated to: John Kerry $2,000
resides at: 1212 West St Carlisle, MA 01741


A press release at: www.kidsandguns.org/study/inthenews.asp?ID=93


Another supporter on hand for the announcement was John E. Rosenthal, chairman of the Newton-based Stop Handgun Violence and owner of a parking garage near Fenway Park where a billboard visible to motorists on the Massachusetts Turnpike reads, "It's easier to childproof your gun than bulletproof your child."

Rosenthal said that in a country where five children die every day in gun-related accidents and suicides committed with guns, a new "non-polarizing" approach to the gun issue is necessary.






One very bad dude. Much money, in tight with the Kennedys and all the usual suspects. Very antigun, exc. for his guns.



He owns the real estate in Boston on which this infamous antigun billboard stands. (Fenway Park in back.)

Rot in hell, cocksucker.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:55:32 PM EDT
To the top.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:57:30 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/28/2006 7:59:21 PM EDT
le sigh
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 8:09:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HarryStone: "The American Hunting and Shooting Association emphasizes that keeping a firearm for home protection is not appropriate for all homes or all individuals."
It's up to the homeowner to determine what is appropriate to defend their lives and property, not the AHSA.
Link Posted: 1/28/2006 8:32:02 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 5:57:55 AM EDT
Democrats set up fake organizations to support gun control policies: johnrlott.tripod.com/2005/08/democrats-set-up-fake-organizations-to.html
Link Posted: 2/6/2006 8:22:47 AM EDT
Free BTT. I wasn't aware of this.

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 10:08:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/26/2006 4:08:38 PM EDT by 95thFoot]
Straight from the house organ of the Massachusetts Democratic Party, the Boston Globe:


http://www.boston.com/news/globe/magazine/articles/2006/02/05/straight_shooter/

PROFILE
Straight Shooter
John Rosenthal's huge Mass. Pike billboard crusades against the ravages of gun violence. So what's he doing with that shotgun?



Hunters and shooters want "rational gun policy that includes support of public lands, gun safety, mandatory training," says John Rosenthal, who is taking on the NRA with his moderate gun organization. (Globe Photo / Mark Ostow)

By Michael Blanding | February 5, 2006

On most weekday mornings, John Rosenthal can be found poring over real estate plans in his Newton office, or meeting with downtown power brokers to try to win support for his pet project: an 850,000-square-foot residential and retail building in Kenmore Square. Today, however, he is on the North Shore, his cheek tucked against the stock of a 12-gauge shotgun. "Pull it!" he yells, and a bright orange disk sails through the air. Rosenthal squeezes the trigger, and a loud crack echoes off the surrounding woods as the target shatters. "There aren't a lot of things more fun than that!" says the 48-year-old Gloucester resident as he lowers the muzzle with a satisfied grin.

Rosenthal is known as many things - but a gun enthusiast isn't one of them. His biggest claim to fame, in fact, may be the 252-foot-long billboard he owns along the Mass Pike in Boston that has for years featured the faces of children killed by gun violence. Its current incarnation reads "Welcome To Massachusetts: You're More Likely To Live Here" - a reference to the state's rate of handgun fatalities, the lowest in the nation. As president of Stop Handgun Violence since cofounding the nonprofit advocacy group with Michael Kennedy in 1995, Rosenthal has campaigned for state and federal laws that require background checks and regulate gun storage.

So what's he doing at the Ipswich Fish & Game Association on this chilly morning with a shotgun in hand? He sits down at a waterlogged picnic table to lay out his new vision: an organization for moderate gun owners called the American Hunters and Shooters Association. "Hunters and shooters aren't part of the problem, they are part of the solution," he says. "They are the one thing missing in the whole debate." The group bills itself as going head-to-head with the National Rifle Association for the hearts and minds - and votes - of gun owners. "The majority of gun owners don't feel like the NRA speaks for them," he says. "We want rational gun policy that includes support of public lands, gun safety, mandatory training."

Rosenthal himself was a gun owner long before he was a gun crusader. In his 20s, he built a house in Waitsfield, Vermont, where a friend introduced him to shooting clay targets, which he added to a list of outdoor pursuits that included kayaking, skiing, and sailing. "It's a Zen sport," he says. "If you aim, you miss."

Asked in 1998 to join the board of the Brady Center for Handgun Violence, the country's most prominent gun control organization, Rosenthal accepted. But he says he was frustrated by what he considers to be the center's extreme views - such as its support for a Washington, D.C., law that criminalized gun possession in that city. "They really want to ban all guns," says Rosenthal, who left the board in 2004.

Through his association with the Brady Center, he met Ray Schoenke, a former Washington Redskins football player and onetime candidate for Maryland governor who owns a 300-acre hunting preserve. The two assembled a group of like-minded gun owners, including Bob Ricker, a former NRA general counsel and gun industry lobbyist, and Joe Vince, previous firearms division chief of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms. With the launch last fall of a website, huntersandshooters.org, the AHSA was born.

The success of the organization might depend on wooing gun enthusiasts like Eric Galicki, an electrical contractor and president of the Ipswich club, who stops to talk at the shooting range. "I've been a member of the NRA for 30 years, because there is no alternative," he says. "But I can't see any good that they've done." Galicki worries that the image of hunting has been damaged by its association with what he calls the group's more extreme positions. "The youth are almost embarrassed to take it up," he says. "It's almost like a redneck thing."

Central to AHSA's mission is a national legislative agenda that includes closing loopholes that let criminals purchase weapons at gun shows, banning military-style assault weapons, requiring training for gun owners, and pushing for issues like wildlife conservation that Rosenthal says the NRA has neglected.

The AHSA's ability to change the debate may depend on whether it can persuade gun owners that it isn't, as the NRA has called it, "the enemy in camouflage." In addition to Rosenthal's efforts to restrict handguns - alongside a Kennedy, no less - is Ricker's self-described reputation as a "turncoat" in the NRA for testifying in Congress against gun manufacturers and Schoenke's long association with the Democratic Party. "I think we've seen a trend over the last few years of gun control groups trying to hide their true agenda by using poll-tested monikers that they believe will fool the American people," says Andrew Arulanandam, the NRA's director of public affairs. "I suspect this group follows that mold."

As he and other board members position AHSA, Rosenthal notes that there are 20 million gun owners in the United States - and only 4 million are NRA members. His group hopes to pull together some of the remainder and to promote an agenda that supports both hunting and stricter controls, to offer moderate gun owners an advocacy group and moderate candidates cover between political extremes. They've reached out to the AFL-CIO, which counts many gun owners among its membership. So far, the union's national leadership hasn't endorsed the new group, which may indicate an uphill climb for AHSA. "Change happens from the grass roots," says Rosenthal, who still hopes to sign up 1 million members within 18 months. "If we get a million, or tens of millions, then members of Congress are going to think twice before they vote."


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Copy this article and send it on. This guy is a sweet-talking, reasonable-seeming, but still corrupting devil.

Link Posted: 2/6/2006 5:25:11 PM EDT
btt
Link Posted: 2/7/2006 4:39:06 PM EDT
Got to keep this thread active, they are very sneaky in what they are about.
Link Posted: 2/8/2006 8:00:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BallisticTip:
Got to keep this thread active, they are very sneaky in what they are about.



They count on our short memories, complacency and lack of fire in our bellies. Let's prove 'em wrong!
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