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Posted: 1/27/2006 10:22:53 AM EDT
If your on your own boat, in the middle of the ocean.... what is/is not legal? what about firearms restrictions? What if you get your ship/boat registered under a different countries flag...?

Curious..
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 10:24:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 10:25:11 AM EDT
As I understand it, outside of the boundaries of countries, there aren't many laws.

Of course, that doesn't mean you can get away with murder.

There was a guy who gained ownership of a platform off the coast of the UK and declared it to be an independent nation.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 10:26:29 AM EDT
itd be neat to have an oil rig, and on it build a bunch of FA type firearms, itd be quite the...excursion for us gun loving enthusists,...save a lot of $$$ building them than buying a FA AK for $25k or so.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 10:27:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/27/2006 10:29:52 AM EDT by Mauser101]

Originally Posted By Brohawk:

There was a guy who gained ownership of a platform off the coast of the UK and declared it to be an independent nation.



The Principality of Sealand



A great place to host internet servers that serve, via satelite, what would be illegal in most countries.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 10:31:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/27/2006 10:31:57 AM EDT by AcidGambit]

Originally Posted By Brohawk:
As I understand it, outside of the boundaries of countries, there aren't many laws.

Of course, that doesn't mean you can get away with murder.

There was a guy who gained ownership of a platform off the coast of the UK and declared it to be an independent nation.



It's Sealand


www.sealandgov.com/

ETA: Damnit beaten to the punch.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 10:32:53 AM EDT
Monkey knife fights? Legal.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 10:43:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:
Monkey knife fights? Legal.



[US Coast Guard] Come closer, we can't hear you. [/US Coast Guard]
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 10:46:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By raven:
Monkey knife fights? Legal.



Furious George, what have they done to you? Smithers, we're going to need most of your skin.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 10:51:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mauser101:

Originally Posted By Brohawk:

There was a guy who gained ownership of a platform off the coast of the UK and declared it to be an independent nation.



The Principality of Sealand

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/1/1d/Sealand.jpg

A great place to host internet servers that serve, via satelite, what would be illegal in most countries.



Such as? You kiddie porn perv!!!!!
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 10:55:21 AM EDT
That platform looks a little old and run down. I wonder if they have a budget deficit.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 10:55:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PsyWarrior:

Originally Posted By Mauser101:

Originally Posted By Brohawk:

There was a guy who gained ownership of a platform off the coast of the UK and declared it to be an independent nation.



The Principality of Sealand

upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ru/1/1d/Sealand.jpg

A great place to host internet servers that serve, via satelite, what would be illegal in most countries.



Such as? You kiddie porn perv!!!!!



haha thats horrible
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 11:06:52 AM EDT
i wonder what would happen if some one invaded and took over sealand?
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 11:12:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By twckxbzd:
i wonder what would happen if some one invaded and took over sealand?



nothing haha


Arfcom outing? jk
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 11:35:06 AM EDT
Im sure there has to be some defunct oil platform in the Gulf we could buy.

Lebrew
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 11:35:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By twckxbzd:
i wonder what would happen if some one invaded and took over sealand?

Yarrrr! Who be the scallywag that runs this sorry excuse fer an independant nation? Yarrr!
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 11:36:21 AM EDT
Im sure there has to be some defunct oil platform in the Gulf we could buy.

Lebrew
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 11:42:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By twckxbzd:
i wonder what would happen if some one invaded and took over sealand?



It already happened once by some Dutch and Germans. The owners retook the platform by force and held the evildoers as prisoners of war (under Geneva conventions, though I doubt Sealand is a signatory), forcing the Germans to send a diplomat to sue for their release. One of the baddys was a Sealand passport holder so they charged that guy with treason. Don't believe he was executed though.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 11:44:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By lebrew:
Im sure there has to be some defunct oil platform in the Gulf we could buy.

Lebrew



And that nation could own machine guns.

And ARFCOMers could be named as diplomats. And we could thus own said machine guns, pay no taxes....sweeeeet!!!

Sign me up.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 11:45:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mauser101:

Originally Posted By twckxbzd:
i wonder what would happen if some one invaded and took over sealand?



It already happened once by some Dutch and Germans. The owners retook the platform by force and held the evildoers as prisoners of war (under Geneva conventions, though I doubt Sealand is a signatory), forcing the Germans to send a diplomat to sue for their release. One of the baddys was a Sealand passport holder so they charged that guy with treason. Don't believe he was executed though.



ya they let him go. we could take over Sealand pretty easily id assume haha, convert the servers on the rig to run the forums...itd work out well im sure jk haha
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 11:45:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Mauser101:

Originally Posted By raven:
Monkey knife fights? Legal.



[US Coast Guard] Come closer, we can't hear you. [/US Coast Guard]



A team of Navy SEALs is on the way!
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 11:46:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By lebrew:
Im sure there has to be some defunct oil platform in the Gulf we could buy.

Lebrew



And that nation could own machine guns.

And ARFCOMers could be named as diplomats. And we could thus own said machine guns, pay no taxes....sweeeeet!!!

Sign me up.



exactly what im getting at...would it be possible ot setup a new nation but yet retain your US citizenship? dual citizenship could work out very well
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 11:47:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By twckxbzd:
i wonder what would happen if some one invaded and took over sealand?



they would have to establish a reservation for the nations current inhabitants. The upside - there would be gambling and tax free smokes not too far away.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 2:00:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/27/2006 2:18:07 PM EDT by PaDanby]
No taxes on the smokes but the shipping costs might bite you.

In general look here for Law of the Sea issues.

www.admiraltylawguide.com/conven/unclostable.html

Article 91. Nationality of ships

1. Every State shall fix the conditions for the grant of its nationality to ships, for the registration of ships in its territory, and for the right to fly its flag. Ships have the nationality of the State whose flag they are entitled to fly. There must exist a genuine link between the State and the ship.

2. Every State shall issue to ships to which it has granted the right to fly its flag documents to that effect.

Article 92. Status of ships

1. Ships shall sail under the flag of one State only and, save in exceptional cases expressly provided for in international treaties or in this Convention, shall be subject to its exclusive jurisdiction on the high seas. A ship may not change its flag during a voyage or while in a port of call, save in the case of a real transfer of ownership or change of registry.

2. A ship which sails under the flags of two or more States, using them according to convenience, may not claim any of the nationalities in question with respect to any other State, and may be assimilated to a ship without nationality.



In general switching your flag in view of a warship or other law enforcement vessel may just get you immediately boarded, and from personal experience, ON THE HIGH SEA or INTERNATIONAL WATERS -if a USN vessel wants to board you at sea in the event it feels it is necessary. We pick up the "Red Phone" call a cerrtain command center and relate the circumstances and the flag the ship is flying. That Command Center calls the Embassy of the ships flag and relates the circumstances for boarding, and with very few exceptions gets permission. If they come back and say that isn't out ship. That almost certainly means boarding will follow shortly.

In TERRITORIAL WATERS, Maritime Exclusion Zones, etc, it's different, in territorial waters, the country who claims the waters can extend permission to us to board any ship we please, in a Maritime Exclusion Zone (Non-territorial waters) (or similar area generally in areas of hostilities/blockades, etc) we can board and search at will,
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 2:07:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zakk_Wylde_470:

Originally Posted By Mauser101:

Originally Posted By raven:
Monkey knife fights? Legal.



[US Coast Guard] Come closer, we can't hear you. [/US Coast Guard]



A team of **GUN SHOW*** Navy SEALs is on the way!



Fixed it for ya.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 2:12:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Brohawk:
Of course, that doesn't mean you can get away with murder.



Well if you can't get away with white slavery, what is the fun of being in international waters???

ETA:

Link Posted: 1/27/2006 2:16:17 PM EDT
What the hey? I'm looking at the Sealand history on Wiki, they've already had a civil war!

(Waveland was declared an independent nation by Greenpeace on the island of Rockall, but there are four other countries fighting over that one)

NTM
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 2:21:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dieter122:

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By lebrew:
Im sure there has to be some defunct oil platform in the Gulf we could buy.

Lebrew



And that nation could own machine guns.

And ARFCOMers could be named as diplomats. And we could thus own said machine guns, pay no taxes....sweeeeet!!!

Sign me up.



exactly what im getting at...would it be possible ot setup a new nation but yet retain your US citizenship? dual citizenship could work out very well



Two things here. Notice the cannon in the picture.

As a US citizen you may not have dual citizenship. And before all of you I know so and so who's a dual citizen jump in, that is an accident of birth. Applying for or gaining citizenship in another country automatically makes you a non-citizen. Serving in the armed forces of another nation automatically makes you a non-citizen.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 2:24:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By Brohawk:
Of course, that doesn't mean you can get away with murder.



Well if you can't get away with white slavery, what is the fun of being in international waters???

ETA:

petoria.net/images/4ever.jpg


Can't touch me![/peter]
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 2:26:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By XD_Fan:
Serving in the armed forces of another nation automatically makes you a non-citizen.



Close

Holding office in the armed forces of another nation (NCO/Officer) is a problem. Fortunately, I never got higher than Trooper, 3Star. (PFC equivalent).

NTM
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 2:30:58 PM EDT
That does it, ARFCOM is conquering Sealand and using it to sell guns, ammo, and booze to the world.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 2:41:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:

Originally Posted By XD_Fan:
Serving in the armed forces of another nation automatically makes you a non-citizen.



Close

Holding office in the armed forces of another nation (NCO/Officer) is a problem. Fortunately, I never got higher than Trooper, 3Star. (PFC equivalent).

NTM




Where?

-K
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 2:52:50 PM EDT
Ireland, wasn't it?
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 3:08:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:

Originally Posted By XD_Fan:
Serving in the armed forces of another nation automatically makes you a non-citizen.



Close

Holding office in the armed forces of another nation (NCO/Officer) is a problem. Fortunately, I never got higher than Trooper, 3Star. (PFC equivalent).

NTM



Thanks for the correction. This came up when I was offered a commission in the NZRAF. Losing my US citizenship along with the having to serve 15 years before I could be come a kiwi citizen made this a non-player for me.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 3:26:45 PM EDT
We could take 'em.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 3:40:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By napalm:
We could take 'em.



I'm willing to bet we could take a LOT of third world or just plain small countries if we really wanted to.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 4:03:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By napalm:
We could take 'em.



I'm willing to bet we could take a LOT of third world or just plain small countries if we really wanted to.



I hear Luxumburg is nice this time of year...
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 4:13:54 PM EDT
Disney owns it's own private island..............
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 4:23:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By napalm:
We could take 'em.



I'm willing to bet we could take a LOT of third world or just plain small countries if we really wanted to.



Arfcomistan.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 4:25:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
That does it, ARFCOM is conquering Sealand and using it to sell guns, ammo, and booze to the world.



+ Hookers and blow!
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 4:32:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By lebrew:
Im sure there has to be some defunct oil platform in the Gulf we could buy.

Lebrew



And that nation could own machine guns.

And ARFCOMers could be named as diplomats. And we could thus own said machine guns, pay no taxes....sweeeeet!!!

Sign me up.



Do we get diplomatic immunity when we travel??
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 4:34:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By napalm:
We could take 'em.



I'm willing to bet we could take a LOT of third world or just plain small countries if we really wanted to.


But why would we want to?

All this big talk, and we don't seem to be able to retake our own country.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 4:35:38 PM EDT
So what kind of military would you want for your own Arfcom island?

Link Posted: 1/27/2006 4:49:07 PM EDT
What was this thread about?
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 5:01:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:
That does it, ARFCOM is conquering Sealand and using it to sell guns, ammo, and booze to the world.



We'ld have to figure a watch rotation, I don't think we'ld all fit. And it could get real unpleasant with all the cigar smokers and gas passers. A massive explosion
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 5:19:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/27/2006 6:12:33 PM EDT by DvlDog]
ARFCOM island would have 3 homely women and 30,000 men. im afraid an acute case of "teh ghey" would sweep the island in short order. guys who play dupe police or make more than 20 posts per day will probably convert early having never made the sex with a woman anyway.


no arfcom island for me thanks.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 5:24:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DvlDog:
ARFCOM island would have 3 homely women and 30000 men. im afraid an acute case of "teh ghey" would sweep the island in short order. guys who play dupe police or make more than 20 posts per day will probably convert early having never made the sex with a woman.


no arfcom island for me thanks.



Link Posted: 1/27/2006 6:05:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Stryfe:

Originally Posted By Swindle1984:

Originally Posted By napalm:
We could take 'em.



I'm willing to bet we could take a LOT of third world or just plain small countries if we really wanted to.


But why would we want to?

All this big talk, and we don't seem to be able to retake our own country.



Direct conflict is almost always easier to deal with than covert back stabbing.

Lock and Load.


Originally Posted By DvlDog:
ARFCOM island would have 3 homely women and 30000 men. im afraid an acute case of "teh ghey" would sweep the island in short order. guys who play dupe police or make more than 20 posts per day will probably convert early having never made the sex with a woman.


no arfcom island for me thanks.



With no laws and 30,000 men I think the ladies of Holland would probably pay a weekend visit.
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 6:15:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CRC:
So what kind of military would you want for your own Arfcom island?


all of us over-armed rednecks?
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 6:17:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AKLover_91:

Originally Posted By CRC:
So what kind of military would you want for your own Arfcom island?


all of us over-armed rednecks?




your from Cali, your not overarmed im from NY and im busting your chops, go figure
Link Posted: 1/27/2006 6:54:37 PM EDT
I don't believe that the U.S. Code section that covers this actually calls for automatic revocation of citizenship. You must commit one of the specified acts "volutarily" with the "intention of relinquishing" your U.S. citizenship. The acts include swearing an oath or allegiance to another sovereign, serving in a foreign military, being naturalized in a foreign state, and taking employment in a foreign government. So, if the service occurs without the intent to relinquish, the lose of citizenship would not necessarily take place.

Normally the U.S. government would file an action in federal court for the revocation of the citizenship. For example, the kid that went to Afganistan to serve with the Taliban/Al queda against the U.S. He was captured, brought back, tried and imprisoned, but hasn't lost his citizenship as the government never made that request of the court.

At least that's how I remember it supposedly working. Could be wrong.


Originally Posted By XD_Fan:

Originally Posted By Manic_Moran:

Originally Posted By XD_Fan:
Serving in the armed forces of another nation automatically makes you a non-citizen.



Close

Holding office in the armed forces of another nation (NCO/Officer) is a problem. Fortunately, I never got higher than Trooper, 3Star. (PFC equivalent).

NTM



Thanks for the correction. This came up when I was offered a commission in the NZRAF. Losing my US citizenship along with the having to serve 15 years before I could be come a kiwi citizen made this a non-player for me.

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