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Posted: 1/25/2006 8:43:22 PM EDT
i am in the peoples republic of Illinois
and there is a good chance we may very well loose our semiautos... ie:turn them in to authorities,,have it rendered nonfunctional,,or move it out of state.... pure bs but i need a back up option if this goes through... and no i cant move"job/pension/sick kid" what would you use for a "rifle" minies and kel-tec where not on the list as of yet....but it may come to a bolt or lever/pump gun. cross your fingers for us we are puttin pressure on them hard but we'll have to see thanks in advance |
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Ummm, that is no option... They WONT take my guns even if I lived in that state....
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I wouldnt turn my semi-auto into authorities, and still use it for SHTF. |
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Lee Enfield
Best bolt action ever. 10 round detachable magazine Stripper Clip fed. Some companies even make newly manufactured magazines so you could keep spare mags loaded. I don't know if anyone makes a 308 clone. IIRC some company had planed to make new ones for a lot of money (~1000) but I don't think it ever went through. Could buy a milsurp and have it rebarreled and converted to 308 or other common caliber. There are several scope mounting options from traditional to scout scopes. |
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i'd say a marlin .30/30 lever gun would do just fine....that would be my choice, but i've never fired a pump-action rifle before
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Buy Ak kit, flat, parts, mags, ammo + tools
Practice bending a few flats It's not a firearm (receiver) until you make it one. |
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I think that if the State of Illinois comes to confiscate your longarm the Shit has already Hit The Fan.
And I hate Illinois Nazis. |
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I'd have to go with my Model 94 in 30-30. A Remy 7615 might be a good alternate, but I have had a chance to fire one yet
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Umm....sorry to tell this bud, but if it comes down to confiscation in your state....THAT IS SHTF.
So you will either have to move or....well, read this. I just don't want to die alone |
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well, for Rodney King II, I was ready to run and gun with an 870 Police Magnum......
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+1 Great SHTF choice. I'd also recommend a Marlin '92 Trapper, 16" barrel in .44mag. Terrific gun, fast, light, accurate and powerful. Also, won't attract attention like an EBR will. I use one for my truck gun. |
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+1 Right on the money. |
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lever action 30/30 (and I'm not just saying that because the SWAT guys recently promoted it either!)
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Get you one of these Custom Marlin
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Springfield 03 or Remmy 03A3. 30-06. Don't fuck them up by converting to .308.
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Many worthy rifles have been suggested.
In addition, I suggest a good pump 12g, with slugs and shot on hand. |
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The thought of having to give up or sell my AR is literally making me feel sick right now. I freaking hate Illinois.
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I have a few bolt/lever action hunting rifles (.22-250, .243,30-30), they would do the job. I would have a 12/20 ga. pump or three readily available as well. I knew being one of those damn hunters would pay off eventually
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it's just a gun mang.
If you can't have semi-autos, not even M1 Garands and M1 carbines, get yourself a Kar 98K or Lee Enfeld No.4 for a battle rifle, and a 870 shotgun for close encounters. |
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Absofuckinlutely |
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Well the same could be done with AR and a 80% lower, no? |
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Alot more work and money than bending a flat and riviting it together |
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I see a lot of you guys recomending civi type guns, like lever guns.
While I don't doubt the durability of them, they lack fire power. Small mag capacity and a long reload time.... I mean if we have to replace the semi in SHTF role you'd want that mag and loading ability, no? |
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Here, let me repeat this...
If you turn your guns in, you will be betraying everything our Forefathers fought and died for. You can move, you can hide your guns, but do not turn them in... |
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I would say a Marlin 30-30 Lever 336 scoped out. I have two of them and there are capable of some damn good shooting plus fast firing weapons. A 150 grain bullet moving at over 2400 ft per second hits damn hard. My nephew nailed a 200 pound deer just this year with this combination. Shoulder shot. Deer didn't go more than 10 ft and dropped like a rock. By the time we got there the deer was already damn near dead. It would be a cold day in hell however when the state of Ill. got my AR-15.
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Your're saying a 45/70 lacks fire-power??? I agree that the reload time is a bit slow, but I own a Marlin Guide gun in 45/70 and it by no means is lacking in the firepower department, |
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Lever guns don't lack firepower, if you're aiming. 8 shots is plenty.....and fast as hell if you need it to be. I wouldn't feel undergunned with a good lever gun, especially in your typical SHTF scenario (riot, looters, etc.) |
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Damn. I feel like I just watched "Ol' Yeller" for the first time. Remember: It doesn't matter if you don't have autos on the first day of the revolution because you will have them on the second day... |
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Yes if you are in a scenario that you can take aimed shots... ...but that same line of logic can be used for exactly this purpose...you "don't need semi auto or high capacity magazines!" ...sometimes you just need to put led down range, aimed yes, but rather rapidly, and I agree 8 round mag is ok, its the speed of reloading after that 8th shot. Maybe I'm just spoiled for wanting more than I need |
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I certainly wouldnt feel under-equiped with a levergun during what would be considered a typical SHTF situation (civil unrest, natural disaster, etc). The key to using the levergun is shot management.... just like using a shotgun.
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Maybe time spent calling and emailing the representatives of Illinois would be more useful than a thread about which rifle from the late 1800's is more suited to SHTF...
If you have called and emailed your representative, why dont you contact others? I sent emails to every one of the 118 representatives on the GOA list that had an email address, and have called over 40 of them at this point. If you have done all of this already, I am sorry for assuming you haven't. But, if you have done this or more, you would know to do it again. Get back to work and forget about selling your property. |
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Gotta ask yourself "what would John Wayne do ? " Proud lever gun owner here |
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I would go with a quality scoped detachable mag .308 until it gets banned.
Then go with a lever gun until it gets banned. Then go with a single shot rifle until it gets banned. Then go with a crossbow until it gets banned. Then go with a compound bow until it gets banned. Then go with a baseball bat until it gets banned. Then I will then use a wooden slat that I pry off of the cattle car. I will wield it viciously against the guards as they drag me off to the showers. |
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+2 "From my cold, dead hands..." |
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Senerio 1:
They take them 5 years from now and no one is going to do a damn thing. Senerio 2: They take them 25 years from now and no one is going to do a damn thing. Get used to it. It will be an interesting ride.
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+1 |
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Kinda ironic since SA ,Armalite and RRA all reside in IL.....
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I can't believe it's gotten to a point where people will HAVE to turn over their Right. WT??? There is a lot worse than dying to uphold your Rights. I hope all of you lawful citizens in IL that turn over your guns suffer the anquish of being such a slave/chickenshit/pussy/traitor to the Constitution you are. May it haunt your days. And turn in your man card. |
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I think that in lieu of a semiautomatic carbine, one is left pretty much with either a pump action shotgun with a 7-8 round magazine like a Mossy 590, or perhaps a lever action rifle in something like .44 Magnum (that would allow you to also keep a .44 Mag revolver handy).
The Lee Enfield is a decent rifle, but it's day is over IMHO. I have a Gibbs LE #5 "Jungle carbine" repro (made from a cut down #4 action). It's a good little carbine and accurate, but I definately wouldn't want to rely upon that as my "go to" SHTF firearm. Everytime I take it to the firing range I find myself in total wonderment that this thing was actually used to equip an army (British SE Asia) during WWII. |
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Why no mention of the Savage 99 lever gun? Strong as hell and chambered for the .308... That's a sweet gun.. fullclip
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I'm pretty sure that would make it illegal in Illinois, if I recall the bill correctly. |
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