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Posted: 1/25/2006 3:59:45 PM EDT
Friend of mine and I were chatting it up about John Wayne movies, and we are stuck on the name of one in particular. John Wayne was a lawman, who arrested 4 men and sent hem to trial, where they were sentenced to be hanged - but they hadn't done it. His two sons had robbed the bank and hidden the money, and George Kennedy (IIRC) played the head robber that wanted hos gold. So he takes little Bobby Joe out in the rain after he recovers from pnumonia, and John Wayne comes to their rescue, but his Indian friend got killed.

I'm going crazy here! Help!
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:02:06 PM EDT
Cahill, US Marshall
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:03:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dobk:
Cahill, US Marshall



You, sir, are a god among men.

What was your FAVORITE JW movie?
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:05:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/25/2006 4:07:13 PM EDT by Flakchak]

Originally Posted By richardh247:
What was your FAVORITE JW movie?



The Horse Soldiers and They Were Expendable. Its a toss up between the two.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:07:12 PM EDT
whats the one with the character 'Mississippi'
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:08:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By richardh247:

What was your FAVORITE JW movie?



Big Jake.

No question.

"If you follow him, I'll hunt you down and kill you. Every mother's son of you."

Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:08:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kingoftheroad:
whats the one with the character 'Mississippi'



Rio Bravo and Rio Grand
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:08:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kingoftheroad:
whats the one with the character 'Mississippi'



No, that would be El Dorado with James Cain and Robert Mitchum
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:09:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kingoftheroad:
whats the one with the character 'Mississippi'



El Dorado?
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:09:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/25/2006 4:10:47 PM EDT by LANCEMAN]
True Grit

I actually saw one I had never seen before the other day "The Shootist" it was allright
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:11:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wump:

Originally Posted By kingoftheroad:
whats the one with the character 'Mississippi'



No, that would be El Dorado with James Cain and Robert Mitchum


yes, that is my favorite


john: did you get him?
miss: i think so...
john: well yes or no?
miss: he was limping when he left....
john: HE WAS LIMPING WHEN HE GOT THERE!
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:11:54 PM EDT
The Searchers

That'll be the day.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:12:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/25/2006 4:12:48 PM EDT by motown_steve]

Originally Posted By richardh247:
What was your FAVORITE JW movie?



That's a difficult question to answer. I've only seen a few, but they were all damn good:

- The Man who shot Liberty Valance
- True Grit
- The Quiet Man
- The Shootist
- The Longest Day
- The one where he's a Marine pilot in the pacific during WW2 (The Flying Leathernecks??)
- The one where he's an Airforce pilot who falls in love with a Russian pilot and goes to Russia, then comes back
- The Searchers

and a few others that I can't think of.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:13:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kingoftheroad:

Originally Posted By wump:

Originally Posted By kingoftheroad:
whats the one with the character 'Mississippi'



No, that would be El Dorado with James Cain and Robert Mitchum


yes, that is my favorite


john: did you get him?
miss: i think so...
john: well yes or no?
miss: he was limping when he left....
john: HE WAS LIMPING WHEN HE GOT THERE!



it is my favorite also

Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:15:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By richardh247:

Originally Posted By kingoftheroad:
whats the one with the character 'Mississippi'



Rio Bravo and Rio Grand



Nope, El Dorado.

ETA: someone beat me.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:15:21 PM EDT
Man, that's like asking which of my guns I like best... If I gotta choose I'm gonna say
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:15:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:
True Grit




Ned Pepper: What's your intention? Do you think one on four is a dogfall?
Rooster Cogburn: I mean to kill you in one minute, Ned. Or see you hanged in Fort Smith at Judge Parker's convenience. Which'll it be?
Ned Pepper: I call that bold talk for a one-eyed fat man.
Rooster Cogburn: Fill your hands, you son of a bitch.

Trivia for
True Grit (1969)
When submitted for a rating from the MPAA in 1969, the film was given an "M". The film was edited and re-rated "G".

The only film for which John Wayne ever won an Oscar.

John Wayne had met singer Karen Carpenter on a college show he hosted prior to the shooting of this movie. Wayne was so impressed that he wanted Carpenter cast in the role of Mattie Ross.

John Wayne reportedly chased costar Dennis Hopper around Paramount with a loaded gun. Hopper had to hide in Glen Campbell's dressing room until Wayne cooled down.

The scene near the end where Rooster Cogburn (John Wayne) and Ned Pepper's gang meet in a field and Pepper (Robert Duvall) is shot is filmed in a clearing near the top of Owl Creek Pass outside Ridgway, Colorado. The field is off the road to the left and is very easy to find.

Chimney Peak is visible in the famous shoot out scene at the end. Chimney Peak is part of the Cimmaron Range outside Ridgway, Colorado.

Mia Farrow, among other well-known actresses, was approached to play Mattie, but she turned it down. She later said it was one of the biggest professional mistakes of her career.

Tuesday Weld also turned down the role of Mattie.

After judging The Carpenters on a talent show, John Wayne had Karen Carpenter read for the part of Mattie. The producers went with Kim Darby, who had acting experience, however Wayne did not like working with her, because he felt she was unprofessional on the set.

Elvis Presley was considered for the role of La Boeuf, the Texas Ranger.

Marguerite Roberts was a formerly blacklisted writer. John Wayne knew this before he read the script. He read it and liked it. He ignored people who said he shouldn't work on anything that a "blacklisted" writer wrote.

The gang's cave hideout (beds partially intact), snake pit, and various prop rocks can still be seen on private property outside Ouray, Colorado.


Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:18:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

Originally Posted By richardh247:

What was your FAVORITE JW movie?



Big Jake.

No question.

"If you follow him, I'll hunt you down and kill you. Every mother's son of you."




[Big Jake] Not Hardly [/Big Jake]

Big Jake is top 5 but True Grit was probably his best, The Cowboys and The Shootist close seconds.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:22:09 PM EDT
When I was young and saw the scene in True Grit, when John Wayne is charging the Ned Pepper and his men at the end of the movie with two guns blazing and reigns in his teeth, that image was burned into my head as to what real men did.............
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:24:45 PM EDT
A few more from Rooster Cogburn



Rooster Cogburn: Mr. Rat, I have a writ here says you're to stop eating Chin Lee's cornmeal forthwith. Now it's a rat writ, writ for a rat, and this is lawful service of the same. See, doesn't pay any attention to me.
[shoots the rat]
Chen Lee: [Runs into the room] Outside is place for shooting!
Rooster Cogburn: I'm servin' some papers!




Rooster Cogburn: When's the last time you saw Ned Pepper?
Emmett Quincy: I don't remember any Ned Pepper.
Rooster Cogburn: Short feisty fella, nervous and quick, got a messed-up lower lip.
Emmett Quincy: That don't bring nobody to mind. A funny lip?
Rooster Cogburn: Wasn't always like that, I shot him in it.
Emmett Quincy: In the lower lip? What was you aiming at?
Rooster Cogburn: His upper lip.




Rooster Cogburn: They don't call him "Lucky" Ned Pepper for nothing.
Mattie Ross: That man gave his life for him and he didn't even look back.
Rooster Cogburn: Looking back is a bad habit.




Goudy: [cross-examining Rooster] How many men have you shot since you became a marshal, Mr. Cogburn?
Rooster Cogburn: I never shot nobody I didn't have to.
Goudy: That was not the question. How many?
Rooster Cogburn: Uh... shot or killed?
Goudy: Oh, let's restrict it to "killed" so we may have a manageable figure.




Mattie Ross: That tastes like iron.
LaBoeuf: You're lucky to be where water's so handy. I've seen the time I've drank out of a filthy hoofprint - and was glad to get it.
Rooster Cogburn: If ever I meet one of you Texas waddies who ain't drunk water from a hoofprint, I think I'll... I'll shake their hand or buy 'em a Daniel Webster cigar.
[points to LaBoeuf's shaggy horse]
Rooster Cogburn: How long you boys down there been mounted on sheep?




Goudy: Now is it not true that you sprang up on old man Wharton and his two sons with a deadly, six shot revolver in your hand?
Rooster Cogburn: I always try to be ready.
Goudy: Was this revolver loaded and cocked?
Rooster Cogburn: Well, a gun that's unloaded and cocked ain't good for nothin'.

Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:25:58 PM EDT
I stand corrected on El Dorado.

Now, for the bonus question: John Wayne played a Mongolian barbarian in one of his earliest flicks. Name it?
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:28:29 PM EDT
Rio Lobo actually got to see the Duke from a distance, they were filming in Old Tucson.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:32:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By richardh247:
I stand corrected on El Dorado.

Now, for the bonus question: John Wayne played a Mongolian barbarian in one of his earliest flicks. Name it?



The Conqueror
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:39:32 PM EDT
Dayum! You folks are good!
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:39:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:
True Grit

I actually saw one I had never seen before the other day "The Shootist" it was allright



That was the best John Wayne movie of all time.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:41:02 PM EDT
Name the films JW died in.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:42:42 PM EDT
leathernecks?
green berets?

I am pretty sure he died im a veitnam movie, and maybe a ww2 movie?
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:43:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kingoftheroad:
leathernecks?
green berets?

I am pretty sure he died im a veitnam movie, and maybe a ww2 movie?



he did die in a WW2 movie
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:45:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wump:

Originally Posted By kingoftheroad:
leathernecks?
green berets?

I am pretty sure he died im a veitnam movie, and maybe a ww2 movie?



he did die in a WW2 movie


was he a pilot?
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:45:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wump:
Name the films JW died in.



Cowboys, The Shootist.....?
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:47:08 PM EDT
he died in The Fighting Seabees and The shootist, can't think right now
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:47:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pattymcn:

Originally Posted By wump:
Name the films JW died in.



Cowboys, The Shootist.....?



Thats 2 of em
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:48:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kingoftheroad:

Originally Posted By wump:

Originally Posted By kingoftheroad:
leathernecks?
green berets?

I am pretty sure he died im a veitnam movie, and maybe a ww2 movie?



he did die in a WW2 movie


was he a pilot?




no
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:48:53 PM EDT
Movies he died in:

Sands Of Iwo Jima
The Alamo
The Sea Chase
The Shootist
Reap The Wild Wind
The Fighting Seabees
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
Central Airport
Wake Of The Red Witch
The Cowboys
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:52:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kissfan:
Movies he died in:

Sands Of Iwo Jima
The Alamo
The Sea Chase
The Shootist
Reap The Wild Wind
The Fighting Seabees
The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance
Central Airport
Wake Of The Red Witch
The Cowboys



good job, but in liberty valance he didnt actually die, he was already dead and jimmy stewart was telling the story of earlier times.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 4:58:20 PM EDT
The Cowboys

Bruce Dern's Charachter: "What do you think I am Mister?"
JW's Charachter: "I think you're the vermin ridden sonafabitch you are!"

That is up there on the list of my favorite JW movies.

OR

George Kennedy's Char.: "Cayhill, you'de shoot ah deadman!"
Cayhill: "Well I ain't gonna let em shoot me!"
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 5:06:34 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/25/2006 5:08:13 PM EDT by texastactical]
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 5:18:46 PM EDT

Originally Posted By texastactical:
Which movie did the bow lever Winchester, that John Wayne used in several movies, first appear?



Stage Coach
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 5:26:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/25/2006 5:27:46 PM EDT by texastactical]
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 5:31:35 PM EDT
just a guess 18"
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 5:44:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By texastactical:

Originally Posted By wump:

Originally Posted By texastactical:
Which movie did the bow lever Winchester, that John Wayne used in several movies, first appear?



Stage Coach



Bingo!

Part II: How long was the barrel?



14" ?
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 5:56:09 PM EDT
John Wayne killed more indians than smallpox.

MLW>"<
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 6:01:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/25/2006 6:03:34 PM EDT by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By Ndenway:
John Wayne killed more indians than smallpox.

MLW>"<



Not really... Killed far more bad white guys, most of his Western had no Indians in them or at least no hostile Indians.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 6:03:08 PM EDT
The quiet man
McKlintock
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 6:06:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/25/2006 6:14:08 PM EDT by Yossarian]

Originally Posted By pattymcn:

Originally Posted By wump:
Name the films JW died in.



Cowboys, The Shootist.....?



nevermind:(
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 6:22:00 PM EDT
What movie did his son Micheal first appear?
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 6:25:47 PM EDT
True Git.

Great movie, and character

CMOS
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 6:26:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wump:
What movie did his son Micheal first appear?



Was it the one where he had a Luger and a motorcycle? I can't remember the title.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 6:28:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By colesteele:

Originally Posted By wump:
What movie did his son Micheal first appear?



Was it the one where he had a Luger and a motorcycle? I can't remember the title.



nope, he was in that movie(big jake), but he wasnt the one on the motorcyle
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 6:37:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/25/2006 6:42:31 PM EDT by Max_Mike]

Originally Posted By wump:
What movie did his son Micheal first appear?



Michael was a in several movies as a kid but he did not really act he produced.

You mean Patrick...

Again he did several movies as a kid with no credit Rio Grand the first if I remember right… Mister Roberts was his first movie with a credit. The Searchers was the first movie with his dad in which he got a credit, he played a young cavalry officer with a pointy sword.
Link Posted: 1/25/2006 6:42:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:

Originally Posted By wump:
What movie did his son Micheal first appear?



Michael was a in several movies as a kid but he did not really act he produced.

You mean Patrick...

Agaib ib several movies as a kid with bo credit Rio Grand the first if I remember right… Mister Roberts was his first movie with a credit. The Searcher was the first movie with his dad in which he got a credit, He played a young cavalry officer with a pointy sword.



Your right about both i meant patrick not micheal and the searchers.
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