Quoted: I never saw, nor heard, of any children being used as sex slaves anywhere near any of the posts where I was stationed and it would be a stretch to figure that the local whorehouses were part of any grander conspiracy.

Do some research on the nature of the prostitution trade.

Child sex slaves are indeed a bad thing. Adult sex slaves are no better off, and often that is what populates lots of brothels.

And it isn't just foreign countries. Heaven only knows how many sex slaves there are in the US.

Yeah, the troops should not be visiting hookers. Good luck with that.

No, they shouldn't.

Being a soldier confers no right to visit prostitutes.

Quoted: So how does that apply to, say, Nevada, where it's legal?

I don't believe the regulation's specific aim is Nevada. I believe the purpose of the regulation is to stop them from participating unknowingly in the situations I mentioned.

Our troops shouldn't be contributing to questionable regimes, either. Better cancel all liberty and leave in France and throughout the ME, too.

Like it or not, more and more international attention is being focused on the problems in the sex trade that exist, especially in Asia and Asia minor. Imagine the fallout when an American soldier is seen coming out of one of those hump houses where underage girls are held as sex slaves.

The US military has a legitimate reason to try and avoid such a situation.

"If there is any doubt, then there is no doubt".

Pattaya Beach has got to be the transexual center of the universe.

Quoted: this is gonna go over like at turd in a punchbowl. Lets send our kids off to a damn desert run by fundamentalists muslims and then not let them blow off the pent up steam on liberty in ports where women don't wear hoods and flowing robes. Some interprising madame will find a way around this.

I would think a "Not a Product of Human Trafficking" certification might go a long way in areas (such as NV) where there are sufficient remedies at law (Mann Act, et al) to deal with human trafficking issues/concerns.

Does this apply when you go on a "real" or "traditional" date and the woman orders the lobster?

Quoted: Quoted: January 24, 2006 Patronizing prostitutes just got more costly New rule means those convicted face dishonorable discharge, jail WTF! I thought getting your first dose of the clap was a 'Right of Passage' when you joined up! ANdy

Andy, I think you're confusing that with what's commonly called "dating" in GBR/UK.  

Quoted: Quoted: <snip> Damn, just damn!  They (the .Mil) give our guys beer... 2 cans a day from age 18 ANdy

Cool.  But they should give it based on a complicated algorithm which takes into account age, rank, yrs of service, MOS, etc.  Surplus can be bartered.  It would help instill/reinforce respect for elders, authority, committment, etc.  BTW, don't bitch at the cooks or make fun of the guys doing shit jobs; they may have extras!

Quoted: Do some research on the nature of the prostitution trade.

I already did my share of investigation, thanks. Long ago.

Child sex slaves are indeed a bad thing. Adult sex slaves are no better off, and often that is what populates lots of brothels.

Yeah, I don't think anyone argued that sex slaves of any sort are a good thing. But most of the ones I saw were self-employed volunteers.

And it isn't just foreign countries. Heaven only knows how many sex slaves there are in the US.

Do you think the ones in Nevada are slaves? IIRC, from the HBO specials on it, those girls make $1500 per hour. Some slave.

No, they shouldn't. Being a soldier confers no right to visit prostitutes.

So, as long as you make the decree, the problem will suddenly end. All those 18-22 year old guys will just ignore the boner that wakes them up every morning. Is that the picture?

Are you at all familiar with what happened the last time they tried this?

I believe stuffing it in a chick's pooper is also punishable... but they generally don't kick in doors to find people doing it.

All it means is that once the word gets out about the rule change that the prostitutes will adjust fire to be a little more discreet and avoid losing too much business.

Either way... this is BS. How a soldier spends his money in his off time is his/her business.

Quoted: I already did my share of investigation, thanks. Long ago. Yeah, I don't think anyone argued that sex slaves of any sort are a good thing. But most of the ones I saw were self-employed volunteers.

Volunteer prostitutes certainly exist. But the flesh market is also populated by large numbers of sex slaves. How does a GI know whether the girl he is boinking is a willing participant or some poor girl who was kidnapped or who was sold into this by her family?

It gets mighty sticky mighty quick.

Do you think the ones in Nevada are slaves? IIRC, from the HBO specials on it, those girls make $1500 per hour. Some slave.

I wasn't talking about Nevada.

Care to guess where a good percentage of those illegal immigrant girls end up? They end up being sold by some person smuggler to a gang like MS-13 and the girls are then forced to turn tricks to supply the gang with money and "fun".

The same thing happens with Asian, Slavic, and African immigrant populations.

Prostitution is not merely a woman selling her body. Increasingly it is the result of gangs and similarly repulsive individuals forcing women and even children to become sex slaves.

So, as long as you make the decree, the problem will suddenly end. All those 18-22 year old guys will just ignore the boner that wakes them up every morning. Is that the picture?

If they are 18-22 years old and trusted with machine guns, tanks, bombs, aircraft, etc, then certainly they are capable of keeping their pecker in their pants.

Are you saying the average US soldier is a helpless slave to his dick?

Quoted: It's two cans of beer every 45 days aboard Navy ships.

I always heard that but I never got one beer on my sub :(

bastards!!!!!

ME WANTS MEH GROG DAMMIT!!!

Quoted: Either way... this is BS. How a soldier spends his money in his off time is his/her business.

Not if he/she spends their money on aquiring kiddie porn, drugs, illegal weapons, etc. (all of which happens, by the way...)

The UCMJ exists for a reason. Being a soldier requires one to give up certain levels of freedom because the person in the uniform is a representative of the US.

I don't have the slightest problem with soldiers blowing off a little steam, but prostitution as it exists in many places in this world is a thoroughly evil  criminal enterprise that represents some horrific crimes against those women and children unfortunate enough to be caught up in it.

I don't know the DOD's exact thinking on this matter, but I am willing to bet that the reasons I have stated are a big part of the thinking behind the regs. Incidentally, soldiers are not alone in the increased scrutiny, as the DOS has begun cracking down on "sex tourism". There is a booming market for people who go overseas and have sex with children and sex slaves. The US government is cracking down on the whole thing in general, which is a good thing.

Quoted: Off duty, the military can not blanket restrict.

I think your ass is government property until you are discharged.  People make the mistake of thinking about it as a civilian employer/employee relationship.

Protitution carries with it too many risks that could end up making you a burden to the military.  That is the bottom line.

Quoted: I think your ass is government property until you are discharged.  People make the mistake of thinking about it as a civilian employer/employee relationship. Protitution carries with it too many risks that could end up making you a burden to the military.  That is the bottom line.

Indeed.

.Mil guys don't stop being regulated by their employer when not "on duty". They are soldiers 24/7, 365 days a year. As such, they are bound to the UCMJ.

Given the access to destructive power that they have, this is generally a good principle, even though it regularly is used to muck things up.

Damn those are going to be some boring port calls in the caribbean from now on About half of the guys I served with would have DD's these days then. After a couple of months on a boat all sorts of typically "immoral" behavior suddenly seems quite rational Some boat captain starts enforcing that one he might have a mutiny on his hands after a few months at sea.

Like another poster said there are some females on the ships but when you have 80 guys and 10 girls there were all kinds of freaky things going on like contests between the girls to see who could screw the most guys on one patrol,  officers hooking up with enlisted, people getting preggers,  it was like a giant soap opera really . There are still some all male ships though so I bet tensions would be high if everyone didn't have their fun at port calls to look forward to. They'll still do it, just a little more discreet from now on, like drugs and any other thing that is against the rules.

Quoted: .Mil guys don't stop being regulated by their employer when not "on duty". They are soldiers 24/7, 365 days a year. As such, they are bound to the UCMJ.

This is something many (most?) civilians do not understand.  I remember the look of horror on my mother's face one day when I "corrected" a young Marine at an airport concerning his attire.  The concept that I had any right to do anything about it just floored her.

When another servicemember, of whatever rank, is witnessed doing something improper, we are expected to do something about it.  It matters not if the incident is witnessed hundreds of miles from base while you are on leave.

...And don't let me catch any damn hippy wearing a uniform when he panhandles...

Quoted: Volunteer prostitutes certainly exist. But the flesh market is also populated by large numbers of sex slaves. How does a GI know whether the girl he is boinking is a willing participant or some poor girl who was kidnapped or who was sold into this by her family? It gets mighty sticky mighty quick.

Where do you get this stuff?

I wasn't talking about Nevada.

They will punish soldiers for going to the whorehouses in Nevada just as well. Do you think that's right? Why, if they are not slaves but free entrepeneurs making more than you do?

Care to guess where a good percentage of those illegal immigrant girls end up? They end up being sold by some person smuggler to a gang like MS-13 and the girls are then forced to turn tricks to supply the gang with money and "fun". The same thing happens with Asian, Slavic, and African immigrant populations.

Yeah, it probably does somewhere. Never saw it around any military post, though.

If they are 18-22 years old and trusted with machine guns, tanks, bombs, aircraft, etc, then certainly they are capable of keeping their pecker in their pants.

Ooooooh, yeah.  We will just tell them to keep their pecker in their pants and that will be the end of it. Are you new to this planet or something?

Are you saying the average US soldier is a helpless slave to his dick?

I asked you before. Do you have any clue what happened the last time they tried this?  Apparently not.  The proof is in the pudding, assuming you know enough about the subject.

It's not "Politically Correct" (THAT would be allowing women to pass their fitness test by running a mile in 12 minutes while a man has to run it in 7 all while claiming "women are just as good as men in the Infantry").

What this regulation is, is MORALLY CORRECT.

Oh, but it requires self discipline! The horror! It might put a major dent in modern day sex-slavery (oh no, hell forbid).

Cause EVERYONE has seen the massive, decade long studies PROVING that men MUST BLOW OFF 'STEAM' through prostitutes or they go absolutely insane... yep, it's IMPOSSIBLE for men to control their urges huh?

Honestly, that type of thinking is very close to the anti-gunners who think that the mere possession of a loaded firearm makes someone MORE likely to gun down complete strangers in a "going postal type" tirade.


The mere fact you are in a stress filled environment doesn't make you extra horny. Garbage in, garbage out. Guys who set themselves up reading porn, fantasizing, jacking off regularly....will definately have a self-control problem and for them it will seem impossible to control such urges.

but that's their problem, not a question of "its impossible".

I suspect that this is going to be one of those rules that is never enforced unless someone either makes a public spectacle, or the militant feminist JAG officer goes on the warpath.  In other words, nothing will change except that a few people will get DD's for doing the same crap everyone else is doing.

Quoted: I don't know the DOD's exact thinking on this matter, but I am willing to bet that the reasons I have stated are a big part of the thinking behind the regs.

I'd be more willing to bet some suit in congress crunched some numbers and determined that we could save a few million by not spending so much on antibiotics to treat STD's.

If it's legal in a country then I don't see the problem. Yes, I understand the other stuff you listed, but they're kind of apples and oranges. I'd venture a guess and say that by now most of the "respectable" prostitution establishments have been thoroughly mapped out.

I won't push the issue too much, but in all honesty prostitution should be legal here as well. But that's another can of worms entirely.

Quoted: It's two cans of beer every 45 days aboard Navy ships.

Sometimes more if you have enough money or know the right Chiefs.  

Quoted: It's not "Politically Correct" (THAT would be allowing women to pass their fitness test by running a mile in 12 minutes while a man has to run it in 7 all while claiming "women are just as good as men in the Infantry"). What this regulation is, is MORALLY CORRECT. Oh, but it requires self discipline! The horror! It might put a major dent in modern day sex-slavery (oh no, hell forbid). Cause EVERYONE has seen the massive, decade long studies PROVING that men MUST BLOW OFF 'STEAM' through prostitutes or they go absolutely insane... yep, it's IMPOSSIBLE for men to control their urges huh? Honestly, that type of thinking is very close to the anti-gunners who think that the mere possession of a loaded firearm makes someone MORE likely to gun down complete strangers in a "going postal type" tirade. The mere fact you are in a stress filled environment doesn't make you extra horny. Garbage in, garbage out. Guys who set themselves up reading porn, fantasizing, jacking off regularly....will definately have a self-control problem and for them it will seem impossible to control such urges. but that's their problem, not a question of "its impossible".

Well JOhnWayne77 didn't know the answer to this, so let me ask you.

Do you have any idea what happened the last time they tried this?

Quoted: I'd be more willing to bet some suit in congress crunched some numbers and determined that we could save a few million by not spending so much on antibiotics to treat STD's.

They tried that once before, for exactly those reasons.

Of course there is a distinction between prostitution and escorting in that the girl at least theoretically is only paid for her time around town, not for 'something more' which she would argue is her free gift, no strings attached. This gives the girl a "No way" option. So that money paid up front is not technically a contract for explicit sex on demand.

If she feels coerced into giving her body to the guy, he could legally be charged with rape.

If you are an officer and married, and you hang out with 'escorts' and it goes beyond a date like setting...you've committed adultery and I see a big DD coming your way. Because a man who can't keep his marital oath probably won't have too much problem breaking other oaths should he be presented with a 'foolproof' way to do so... almost all double agents are bribed, paid in diamonds, gold, untraceable cash.... not won over ideologically.

But if you're enlisted/single and a date with a hot babe leads to something more and all you technically did was pay for dinner and a movie.... well, I don't see how this would be charged as prostitution rather than, say, fornication.

The moral difference between the two is essentially the free giving of the woman's body; she's not selling her self (as a prostitute does) for money; she's giving herself away "for free" because she likes the guy - so there's an implicit relationship going on.

In one way it's more human, but precisely because it involves more free behavior, it's more morally/psychologically harmful for the girl (the guy on the other hand is always guilty one way or the other).

But economically, as it's not a straight up proposition that 1 GI = XXX cash, the economic incentive isn't there for some smuggler to go through all the loops to get a slave plantation/brothel running.... since the 'escort industry' such as it is, is much more voluntary in nature than forced....

The escorts don't live in a mainstreet shop, and do all their business on the premises.... ergo it would be harder for a human trafficker (slaver) to keep his 'possessions' were they free to go off with someone.

Conclusion.... with draconian rules such as this, there will be a drop in human slavery trafficking.... and a rise in free lance escorts; forced fornication will go down on the one hand, but free, self-propelled will rise on the other.

Yet at the end of the day, I still think it's better that people are not coerced into the sexual hedon lifestyle.

This is the kind of argument against the easy access to porn... Adults will always be able to get access...but it shouldn't be SOOOOOOOOOO easy that little 8 year old boys can stumble on it in the open internet. Because once a kid gets hooked on porn and all the other vices (masturbation, sex fantasies....) he'll be co-opted before he attains full use of his freedom. In a sense, his options will be limited, not by his full use of freedom but before hand.

Guys with such vices have a hard time making a marital commitment - that's proven, not my assertion. Because when the going gets tough in the relationship the man's mind will stray to the sex fantasy of the uberbabe who offers instant gratification without all the 'relationship' needs...

But it's MEN who are faithful husbands and fathers who are the bed rock of Western Civilization - and have been since at least the time Ulysses realised he'd rather risk death at sea to get back to his wife and son than stay undying forever with the goddess Calypso.  

Quoted: I can see this being challenged. Off duty, the military can not blanket restrict. wonder if the ACLU will step up. Legal prostitution should be right up their alley.

Not quite.
The military is not a "job."
You make a committment to serve your country, you're in it 24-7.
Uncle Sam owns your ass.

Now, as far as this topic: Prostitutes tend to be a tad...er...diseased. Especially in the skanky places where streams pull double duty as bidet/faucet. That said...if a soldier contracts a venerial disease (or worse) from one of these ho-bags, who pays for all the penecillin he guzzles (and other treatments) while our fighting forces are down one??? I'm guessing more than one GI got the creeping crud from some skank...the papers can call it whatever PC crap they want, but the fact is, VD infected (and worse--GI's who blab stuff to the ho's that they should not, GI's who winds up dead due to the ho/pimp shaking him down... et cetera, et cetera) whore sleeping  GI's cost the American taxpayers money. And security.

Quoted: Quoted: I can see this being challenged. Off duty, the military can not blanket restrict. wonder if the ACLU will step up. Legal prostitution should be right up their alley. Not quite. The military is not a "job." You make a committment to serve your country, you're in it 24-7. Uncle Sam owns your ass. Now, as far as this topic: Prostitutes tend to be a tad...er...diseased. Especially in the skanky places where streams pull double duty as bidet/faucet. That said...if a soldier contracts a venerial disease (or worse) from one of these ho-bags, who pays for all the penecillin he guzzles (and other treatments) while our fighting forces are down one??? I'm guessing more than one GI got the creeping crud from some skank...the papers can call it whatever PC crap they want, but the fact is, VD infected (and worse--GI's who blab stuff to the ho's that they should not, GI's who winds up dead due to the ho/pimp shaking him down... et cetera, et cetera) whore sleeping  GI's cost the American taxpayers money. And security.

So they tried this routine before to solve that problem. Do you have any idea what happened when they did?

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I can see this being challenged. Off duty, the military can not blanket restrict. wonder if the ACLU will step up. Legal prostitution should be right up their alley. Not quite. The military is not a "job." You make a committment to serve your country, you're in it 24-7. Uncle Sam owns your ass. Now, as far as this topic: Prostitutes tend to be a tad...er...diseased. Especially in the skanky places where streams pull double duty as bidet/faucet. That said...if a soldier contracts a venerial disease (or worse) from one of these ho-bags, who pays for all the penecillin he guzzles (and other treatments) while our fighting forces are down one??? I'm guessing more than one GI got the creeping crud from some skank...the papers can call it whatever PC crap they want, but the fact is, VD infected (and worse--GI's who blab stuff to the ho's that they should not, GI's who winds up dead due to the ho/pimp shaking him down... et cetera, et cetera) whore sleeping  GI's cost the American taxpayers money. And security. So they tried this routine before to solve that problem. Do you have any idea what happened when they did?

No...but that was not the point I was making...The guys can say that the ACLU should get involved...blah blah...but bottom line, the fact is if you are a GI you ARE Government Issue. Uncle Sam owns your sorry ass. Ya don't like the rules? Go flip burgers ar Wendy's and boink the cashier...

That's all I am saying...

Believe it or not they want to try something for civilian tourists also. The Senate tried to pass a bill that if you did anything that was illegal in the USA in a country that where it would be legal you would still be prosecuted. I mean if you breathe the air you could be violating the law, what I do with a woman in my bedroom is my business if i want to give her a gift for spending the night and treating me well it is my business. My father was not yet an American citizen when I was born, so Italy considers me and Italian citizen, you guys can go ahead and flame me but I am seriously considering entering a country when I travel as an Italian citizen.  

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I can see this being challenged. Off duty, the military can not blanket restrict. wonder if the ACLU will step up. Legal prostitution should be right up their alley. Not quite. The military is not a "job." You make a committment to serve your country, you're in it 24-7. Uncle Sam owns your ass. Now, as far as this topic: Prostitutes tend to be a tad...er...diseased. Especially in the skanky places where streams pull double duty as bidet/faucet. That said...if a soldier contracts a venerial disease (or worse) from one of these ho-bags, who pays for all the penecillin he guzzles (and other treatments) while our fighting forces are down one??? I'm guessing more than one GI got the creeping crud from some skank...the papers can call it whatever PC crap they want, but the fact is, VD infected (and worse--GI's who blab stuff to the ho's that they should not, GI's who winds up dead due to the ho/pimp shaking him down... et cetera, et cetera) whore sleeping  GI's cost the American taxpayers money. And security. So they tried this routine before to solve that problem. Do you have any idea what happened when they did? No...but that was not the point I was making...The guys can say that the ACLU should get involved...blah blah...but bottom line, the fact is if you are a GI you ARE Government Issue. Uncle Sam owns your sorry ass. Ya don't like the rules? Go flip burgers ar Wendy's and boink the cashier... That's all I am saying...

So you are saying they have the legal power to impose this on soldiers. OK.

But then you went on a rant about the cost of VD. Well, if that is your concern, let me inform you what happened the last time they did this. Can you guess?
They had the biggest VD epidemic with the worst results they had ever seen. They were losing more soldiers to VD than anything else. Can you figure out why?

The moral of the story is that even if they have the power, it is a stupid idea to try to do it.

Four pages and not a single mention that I saw of the Frankfurt Red Light District.  Sure, it was prostitution, but it was also almost a rite of passage.  


Was it the smartest thing that I or any of my buddies did?  Probably not.  Was it something that I wish I'd never done?  Not at all.  

I was stationed in K-town for two years.  The whole time, we made our way up to Frankfurt twice.  First for the experience, second for a bachelor party.  

I can't even imagine being charged for our behavior at that time.    

I'm not afraid to admit that I've been there and checked out the different quality at different floors.  The higher you went, the nastier it got.

To be charged under the UCMJ for experiencing the red light district just blows me away.

Quoted: Quoted: Oh, and banning our troops from going with ADULTS is going to solve the problem? Give me a fucking break. Children are, and have always been, off-limits. Sex slaves can be adults as well as children, and the money paid for adult hookers often goes to the same people making sex slaves out of children. US troops should not be contributing to that sort of activity. Period.

More bullshit from you, Mr. Christian who supports homosexuality.

I cant fuckin wait unti lthe pit is opened back up. I will be one searching and quoting motherfucker.

Quoted: This all started in the late 80's. we had a huge influx of Jesus Freaks and goodie two shoes lefties in the military.   ...snip...  I wonder why they have trouble recruiting intelligent hard working people.

You don't have to be a "goodie two shoes lefty" to think that banging hookers is inappropriate behavior from a professional serviceman.  You just have to be serious, and not driven by your dick.

Most intelligent, hard-working people aren't Johns.

I don't see why some people think it's all good if you're in the military - that somehow it gives you a free pass.  Fuck that.  You're supposed to be held to a higher standard than civilians.  At least act like you respect yourselves for God's sake.

ETA: I REALLY don't understand why this is such an issue when adultery and "sodomy" are illegal as well.  It's pretty much consistent with the precedent, and at least this prohibition actually makes a little sense.

They are just going to be "going on dates" anyway...stupid you can't prevent it...

Quoted: Do some research on the nature of the prostitution trade. Child sex slaves are indeed a bad thing. Adult sex slaves are no better off, and often that is what populates lots of brothels.

So how many brothels have you been in and how many children and slaves have you seen there.

You and your 53 responses in one thread are so full of shit.

Quoted: Quoted: Do some research on the nature of the prostitution trade. Child sex slaves are indeed a bad thing. Adult sex slaves are no better off, and often that is what populates lots of brothels. So how many brothels have you been in and how many children and slaves have you seen there. You and your 53 responses in one thread are so full of shit.

So I take it you never been to Olongapo, Angeles City or Bangkok?

pretty soon the service members member wasn't serviceable.

Hey I thought that was a good line for a sig.

Oh well.

It's overreaching and unenforceable most of the time.  Maybe a holdover from one of the Clinto flower power wimmenz rights folks.

That said, trying to erase the child sex trade is not a bad thing.

Quoted: Four pages and not a single mention that I saw of the Frankfurt Red Light District.  Sure, it was prostitution, but it was also almost a rite of passage.   Was it the smartest thing that I or any of my buddies did?  Probably not.  Was it something that I wish I'd never done?  Not at all.   I was stationed in K-town for two years.  The whole time, we made our way up to Frankfurt twice.  First for the experience, second for a bachelor party.   I can't even imagine being charged for our behavior at that time.     I'm not afraid to admit that I've been there and checked out the different quality at different floors.  The higher you went, the nastier it got. To be charged under the UCMJ for experiencing the red light district just blows me away.

Still is a great place (the "stairs").  I guess its cheaper and better for the DoD to encourage every young swinging dick to marry some idiot skank and spit out a few kids.  Medical costs (and housing, and PCS, etc.) are sure to be cheaper for PFC/A1C Shmukatelli than the cost of a penecillin shot once in a while.  Not that thats necessary since every hooker I have ever met used condoms EVERY time.  It's not the 1940s anymore.  Frikking moron bible thumping assholes will be the death of the .mil.  You won't find enough bible thumping abstinent losers to fill the 1.4 million positions.  Who let these playboy banning, anti smoking/drinking/whoring/partying assholes get into positions of authority anyway?  

Quoted: Here we are in a war, and they're worried about THIS?

Yeah no sh!t......

Quoted: Quoted: Four pages and not a single mention that I saw of the Frankfurt Red Light District.  Sure, it was prostitution, but it was also almost a rite of passage.   Was it the smartest thing that I or any of my buddies did?  Probably not.  Was it something that I wish I'd never done?  Not at all.   I was stationed in K-town for two years.  The whole time, we made our way up to Frankfurt twice.  First for the experience, second for a bachelor party.   I can't even imagine being charged for our behavior at that time.     I'm not afraid to admit that I've been there and checked out the different quality at different floors.  The higher you went, the nastier it got. To be charged under the UCMJ for experiencing the red light district just blows me away. Still is a great place (the "stairs").  I guess its cheaper and better for the DoD to encourage every young swinging dick to marry some idiot skank and spit out a few kids.  Medical costs (and housing, and PCS, etc.) are sure to be cheaper for PFC/A1C Shmukatelli than the cost of a penecillin shot once in a while.  Not that thats necessary since every hooker I have ever met used condoms EVERY time.  It's not the 1940s anymore.  Frikking moron bible thumping assholes will be the death of the .mil.  You won't find enough bible thumping abstinent losers to fill the 1.4 million positions.  Who let these playboy banning, anti smoking/drinking/whoring/partying assholes get into positions of authority anyway?

You did.  By not taking the power back.

Only a tool smaktard would  turn in a fellow Soldier, Sailor, Airman or Marine for this shit.

In Iraq a Brit officer told me the US Army was like church, you cannot drink, cuss or screw. He also told me that if they cut off the booze and trim to the lads they would frag him.

Quoted: Quoted: Four pages and not a single mention that I saw of the Frankfurt Red Light District.  Sure, it was prostitution, but it was also almost a rite of passage.   Was it the smartest thing that I or any of my buddies did?  Probably not.  Was it something that I wish I'd never done?  Not at all.   I was stationed in K-town for two years.  The whole time, we made our way up to Frankfurt twice.  First for the experience, second for a bachelor party.   I can't even imagine being charged for our behavior at that time.     I'm not afraid to admit that I've been there and checked out the different quality at different floors.  The higher you went, the nastier it got. To be charged under the UCMJ for experiencing the red light district just blows me away. Still is a great place (the "stairs").  I guess its cheaper and better for the DoD to encourage every young swinging dick to marry some idiot skank and spit out a few kids.  Medical costs (and housing, and PCS, etc.) are sure to be cheaper for PFC/A1C Shmukatelli than the cost of a penecillin shot once in a while.  Not that thats necessary since every hooker I have ever met used condoms EVERY time.  It's not the 1940s anymore.  Frikking moron bible thumping assholes will be the death of the .mil.  You won't find enough bible thumping abstinent losers to fill the 1.4 million positions.  Who let these playboy banning, anti smoking/drinking/whoring/partying assholes get into positions of authority anyway?

Dude are you there now?

I'm not really old-school.  I was stationed at Kleber Kaserne from '93 to '95.  Don't get me wrong - we weren't whore mongers.  There was definitely a whole lot of free stuff being passed out in K-Town, but there was still a sense that you had to go to Frankfurt and experience the red-light district.  I had a blast there, and yea - I partook in the now off-limits stuff.  I just cannot imagine my trip to Frankfurt becoming my Company Commander's business.  

Personally as a civlian....I think the military should provide hookers of our servicemen/women. Or atlest check out and aprove a list of offical whorehouse in the area of operation. This would be a better fix for the problem then a ban......which wouldn't work anyway. This is just me talking but...if someone is going out and protecting the country they are intitled to a little fun.

Quoted: Dude are you there now? I wish, I do pass through for TDYs at least once a year though, I love all things about Germany, the stairs is just one on a long list. I'm not really old-school.  I was stationed at Kleber Kaserne from '93 to '95.  Don't get me wrong - we weren't whore mongers.  There was definitely a whole lot of free stuff being passed out in K-Town, but there was still a sense that you had to go to Frankfurt and experience the red-light district.  I had a blast there, and yea - I partook in the now off-limits stuff.  I just cannot imagine my trip to Frankfurt becoming my Company Commander's business.

I have spent time in a few locales in SE Asia (a year in Korea) and many trips though Germany, Amsterdam etc.  Sure, some of the prostitutes are working off debts (I got to know some very well in Korea) but all the equally young skanky girls outside bases in the states at clubs are trying to "pay off debts" too.  They just want to do it with a chunk of your .mil retirement check.    Criminalizing things that are perfectly legal most of the places they are used is just stupid.  I can understand the prohibition on drugs, even when off duty, but poon?  They going to come up with a "piss test" for hooker poon juice?   Oh well, I can see some GIs buying some very expensive drinks, and not at ripoff "drink bars" either.    Should be about as easy to prosecute as the sodomy and adultery BS.  


If anybody is curious about the actual language of the idiocy, it's on page 7 here:

a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/01jan20051800/edocket.access.gpo.gov/2005/pdf/05-20944.pdf

(b)(2) Patronizing a prostitute. (a) That the accused had sexual intercourse with another person not the accused’s spouse; (b) That the accused compelled, induced, enticed, or procured such person to engage in an act of sexual intercourse in exchange for money or other compensation; and (c) That this act was wrongful; and (d) That, under the circumstances, the conduct of the accused was to the prejudice of good order and discipline in the armed forces or was of a nature to bring discredit upon the armed forces.’’ ‘‘(f)(2) Patronizing a prostitute. In that ___ (personal jurisdiction data), did, (at/on board—location) (subjectmatter jurisdiction data, if required), on or about ___20___, wrongfully (compel) (induce) (entice) (procure) ___ , a person not his/her spouse, to engage in (an act) (acts) of sexual intercourse with the accused in exchange for (money) (______).’’

No comment....
Kunsan AB Korea 81-83
Clark AB PI 84-85
Osan AB Korea 85-87

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Oh, and banning our troops from going with ADULTS is going to solve the problem? Give me a fucking break. Children are, and have always been, off-limits. Sex slaves can be adults as well as children, and the money paid for adult hookers often goes to the same people making sex slaves out of children. US troops should not be contributing to that sort of activity. Period. More bullshit from you, Mr. Christian who supports homosexuality. I cant fuckin wait unti lthe pit is opened back up. I will be one searching and quoting motherfucker.

John_Wayne777........supports homosexuality!!!!!!!!! When did this happen!!!!???

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Four pages and not a single mention that I saw of the Frankfurt Red Light District.  Sure, it was prostitution, but it was also almost a rite of passage.   Was it the smartest thing that I or any of my buddies did?  Probably not.  Was it something that I wish I'd never done?  Not at all.   I was stationed in K-town for two years.  The whole time, we made our way up to Frankfurt twice.  First for the experience, second for a bachelor party.   I can't even imagine being charged for our behavior at that time.     I'm not afraid to admit that I've been there and checked out the different quality at different floors.  The higher you went, the nastier it got. To be charged under the UCMJ for experiencing the red light district just blows me away. Still is a great place (the "stairs").  I guess its cheaper and better for the DoD to encourage every young swinging dick to marry some idiot skank and spit out a few kids.  Medical costs (and housing, and PCS, etc.) are sure to be cheaper for PFC/A1C Shmukatelli than the cost of a penecillin shot once in a while.  Not that thats necessary since every hooker I have ever met used condoms EVERY time.  It's not the 1940s anymore.  Frikking moron bible thumping assholes will be the death of the .mil.  You won't find enough bible thumping abstinent losers to fill the 1.4 million positions.  Who let these playboy banning, anti smoking/drinking/whoring/partying assholes get into positions of authority anyway?   You did.  By not taking the power back.

That's right!  Alcholic whoremongers unite, for a more professional military!

Those of you who wish for a pc army will soon get it.  A few women and a bunch of gay guys to walk around with unloaded weapons and hand out your tax dollars to terrorists trying to bribe them into not attacking us.