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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:35:12 PM EDT
I know it probably doesn't exsist, kinda like a intelligent liberal, but I want to see one if anyone has a pic. I didn't post in the AK forum because they would just say what do you need better than "minute of a man" accuracy for...
 Not a production model, just a one off. Do they exsist? Did I have one to many drinks tonight? What say the slow ARFCOM tonight? As in "customized" AKs... |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:35:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:36:06 PM EDT
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+1
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:36:48 PM EDT
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i think the saiga and vepr variants are about as accurate as you'll get...
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:36:49 PM EDT
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might be a galil out there
guys claim Veprs can shoot that well(mine didn't) but Im betting it is like bigfoot lots of sightings but no proof |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:37:35 PM EDT
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I want you to ask this in the AK forums
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:38:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:39:48 PM EDT
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Then it wouldn't run 100% of the time. Can't have both.
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:40:47 PM EDT
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Come on, I am not buying one, just humor me.
Its like a picture of bigfoot. I just want to SEE one....if one exsists... 
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:41:38 PM EDT
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There ya go. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:45:10 PM EDT
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Here you go
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:45:24 PM EDT
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Arent the milled american made AK's supposed to be pretty darn accurate? Cost the same as a good AR though.
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:46:52 PM EDT
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Thats really a sub moa? As in groups below 1" at 100? Damn.. I was figuring like a bazooka sized barrel or something 
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:49:38 PM EDT
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While there's nothing wrong with what you ask... why can't you be happy with a sub Minute of Badguy weapon, which the AK is.
You may not be able to get quarter size groups, but for less than 300 bucks each, my SAR 1 and 2 would do quite well at the range I'm shooting at. ETA: At any rate, as good as a Mini-14. Oh, that's right, I went there. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:51:53 PM EDT
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Everyone gets defensive...I just wanted to SEE ONE. Big freaking deal. My SHTF rifle is a mini-14 
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:52:11 PM EDT
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He has it confused with MOB accuracy (minute of barn) |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:52:13 PM EDT
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Yep, I get sub moa easy with that thing. Sub moa and a foot and a half to the right. 
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:55:14 PM EDT
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A little Kentucky windage might help ya there.
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:56:42 PM EDT
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I guess technically you could say the Dragunov is an AK variant.
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:57:23 PM EDT
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nice knowin ya bud |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:57:54 PM EDT
[#20]
how? the gas blocks and sights are similar, that's about it |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:59:54 PM EDT
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My SHTF fan rifle was a Mini-14... Then I got a job. 
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Posted: 1/23/2006 9:00:44 PM EDT
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We've been over this....education money has priority. I'd rather stay in school, and earn my 45k to 60k starting out then waste in on a AR and have to work at McDonalds! Its been worked on tol a consistant 2 moa gun.....gun nuff until I make money. I'm far more likely to use my CW anyway, thats why I got an HK....no revolver jokes please |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 9:10:46 PM EDT
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Never did shoot it but once at the range a guy had a Valmet M78 308 that shot some nice groups.
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Posted: 1/23/2006 9:12:26 PM EDT
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Exactly....although it's more than that. You can tell just by the general layout of the weapon that it was - at least in part - inspired by the AK. The internals might be quite different (short stroke piston, etc), but it's still loosely the same basic concept. Mag release, safety, charging handle, sights, etc. etc., they all have clear lineage from the original AK, even if the design is heavily changed/modified. Perhaps "derivative" would have been a better choice of vocabulary than "variant" in this instance, in the same way that the Bren gun is a derivative of the ZB-26. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 9:13:11 PM EDT
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I saw a Valmet M76 do a group that was sub-MOA. 5 shots in about a .75" group. Then, those groups opened up and even on a cool barrel 2" was about as good as it would ever do again.
I attributed it to stupid luck. |
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Posted: 1/23/2006 9:28:13 PM EDT
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Here you go.
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Posted: 1/23/2006 9:42:49 PM EDT
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Well, if you're bringing up the Valmet's and Sig's, then why not late Soviet designs? Specifically the AL-4 and AL-7, and later, AK-107 and AK-108
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Posted: 1/24/2006 5:06:44 AM EDT
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AK's were designed to "minute of American" specs. And we just keep getting fatter. Stoopid
rj |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 5:13:10 AM EDT
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What's with the worn WASR-10? Almost looks like it was purposefully worn... |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 5:21:00 AM EDT
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What can I say, I'm rough with my stuff..... 
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Posted: 1/24/2006 5:54:36 AM EDT
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If you are willing to accept the Daewoo DR-200/K2 as a AK 'variant' then, we have one that can shoot under MOA with good ammo. The Daewoo, though is an elegant mutt with an AK gas system, FAL gas regulator, and AR bolt system. Hard to call it a AK 'variant'....perhaps it is best called an AK derrivative.
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Posted: 1/24/2006 6:07:48 AM EDT
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I dunno... I don't see any scratches. It looks like it was lugged around in the desert for a decade or so. Are you suuuuuuuuuuure you didn't take any sandpaper to it?
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Posted: 1/24/2006 1:57:35 PM EDT
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No, I'm not.
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Posted: 1/24/2006 2:01:02 PM EDT
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VEPR AK
Mine functions perfectly and with factory (US brand) loads, it will shoot MOA or better with IRONS. With Wolf, I can expect 2.5" groups which rivals its 223 product in an AR15. 
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Posted: 1/24/2006 2:03:44 PM EDT
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damn beat me to it |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 2:13:04 PM EDT
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Impressive. I'm not an AK guy (yet). Is it difficult to add wood furniture to your VEPR? I imagine it wouldn't be. Call me nostalgic, but I kinda like the look of a classic AK. |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 2:19:49 PM EDT
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To the best of my knowledge, no one makes a wood furniture set for VEPRs. And even if wood stocks, grips and handguards were available, they'd have to be made in the USA in order to get around the no more than 10 imported parts rule. www.robarm.com/RA_vepr%20faqs%20answers.html#VEPR%20US%20Made%20Parts "Can the VEPR accept a standard AK47 Stock? "No. The VEPR receiver is different and cannot accept AK47 Stocks, pistol Grips, and handguards without modification." Which parts of the VEPR are U.S. made? All parts of the standard VEPR and VEPR Super are made in Russia. Robinson Armament Co. makes the following parts for the VEPR II and VEPR K: 1) Buttstock; 2) Pistol Grip; 3) Hanguard; 4) Trigger; and |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 2:21:36 PM EDT
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You know, I'll bet somebody who was really gifted with woodworking could make something, if they had standard AK furniture as a reference. Hmmmm...the wheels in my head are turning... |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 2:35:24 PM EDT
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Same here... I'm seriously looking at purchasing a VEPR 16"bbl in 7.62x39 but the receivers aren't expected to ship from Russia until late Jan or Feb. I prefer the "classic" wood look myself. It doesn't look like it would be all that difficult for someone with even simple woodworking skills to make their own stock and pistol grip. (reference photo, VEPR skeleton stock and pistol grip) 
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Posted: 1/24/2006 2:40:40 PM EDT
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actually my romak3 <psl> with good ammo will do close to moa. i have no doubt with custom loads it could break moa. the only thing hurting it would be the light barrell. once it gets hot it begins to wander.
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Posted: 1/24/2006 2:41:29 PM EDT
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Are folding stocks available for it? |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 2:52:24 PM EDT
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Nope. I wonder how difficult it would be for someone with machine shop skills to convert an ACE AK-47 side folder stock to fit a VEPR? www.aceltdusa.com/AKStamped.htm |
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Posted: 1/24/2006 3:37:53 PM EDT
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bad steel wool job.... 
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