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Posted: 1/23/2006 8:35:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 8:36:38 PM EDT by LonePathfinder]
I know it probably doesn't exsist, kinda like a intelligent liberal, but I want to see one if anyone has a pic. I didn't post in the AK forum because they would just say what do you need better than "minute of a man" accuracy for...

Not a production model, just a one off. Do they exsist?

Did I have one to many drinks tonight?

What say the slow ARFCOM tonight?

As in "customized" AKs...
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:35:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:36:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:



+1

Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:36:48 PM EDT
i think the saiga and vepr variants are about as accurate as you'll get...

Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:36:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 8:37:15 PM EDT by www-glock19-com]
might be a galil out there
guys claim Veprs can shoot that well(mine didn't)
but Im betting it is like bigfoot lots of sightings but no proof
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:37:35 PM EDT
I want you to ask this in the AK forums
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:38:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Barrelburner:
I want you to ask this in the AK forums



Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:39:48 PM EDT
Then it wouldn't run 100% of the time. Can't have both.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:40:47 PM EDT
Come on, I am not buying one, just humor me.

Its like a picture of bigfoot.

I just want to SEE one....if one exsists...
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:41:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MrClean4Hire:
Then it wouldn't run 100% of the time. Can't have both.



There ya go.

Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:45:10 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:45:24 PM EDT
Arent the milled american made AK's supposed to be pretty darn accurate? Cost the same as a good AR though.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:46:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Here you go


www.thetacticalsolution.com/hostedpictures/ak01.jpg



Thats really a sub moa?

As in groups below 1" at 100?

Damn..

I was figuring like a bazooka sized barrel or something
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:49:38 PM EDT
While there's nothing wrong with what you ask... why can't you be happy with a sub Minute of Badguy weapon, which the AK is.

You may not be able to get quarter size groups, but for less than 300 bucks each, my SAR 1 and 2 would do quite well at the range I'm shooting at.

ETA: At any rate, as good as a Mini-14. Oh, that's right, I went there.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:51:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Flakchak:
While there's nothing wrong with what you ask... why can't you be happy with a sub Minute of Badguy weapon, which the AK is.

You may not be able to get quarter size groups, but for less than 300 bucks each, my SAR 1 and 2 would do quite well at the range I'm shooting at.

ETA: At any rate, as good as a Mini-14. Oh, that's right, I went there.



Everyone gets defensive...I just wanted to SEE ONE. Big freaking deal.

My SHTF rifle is a mini-14
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:52:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:

Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Here you go


www.thetacticalsolution.com/hostedpictures/ak01.jpg



Thats really a sub moa?

As in groups below 1" at 100?

Damn..

I was figuring like a bazooka sized barrel or something



He has it confused with MOB accuracy (minute of barn)
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:52:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:55:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Yep, I get sub moa easy with that thing. Sub moa and a foot and a half to the right.




A little Kentucky windage might help ya there.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:56:42 PM EDT
I guess technically you could say the Dragunov is an AK variant.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:57:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:
My SHTF rifle is a mini-14



nice knowin ya bud
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:57:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By OBird:
I guess technically you could say the Dragunov is an AK variant.



how? the gas blocks and sights are similar, that's about it
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:59:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:
My SHTF rifle is a mini-14



My SHTF fan rifle was a Mini-14...


Then I got a job.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:00:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:
My SHTF rifle is a mini-14



nice knowin ya bud



We've been over this....education money has priority. I'd rather stay in school, and earn my 45k to 60k starting out then waste in on a AR and have to work at McDonalds! Its been worked on tol a consistant 2 moa gun.....gun nuff until I make money. I'm far more likely to use my CW anyway, thats why I got an HK....no revolver jokes please
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:10:46 PM EDT
Never did shoot it but once at the range a guy had a Valmet M78 308 that shot some nice groups.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:12:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By OBird:
I guess technically you could say the Dragunov is an AK variant.



how? the gas blocks and sights are similar, that's about it



Exactly....although it's more than that. You can tell just by the general layout of the weapon that it was - at least in part - inspired by the AK. The internals might be quite different (short stroke piston, etc), but it's still loosely the same basic concept. Mag release, safety, charging handle, sights, etc. etc., they all have clear lineage from the original AK, even if the design is heavily changed/modified.

Perhaps "derivative" would have been a better choice of vocabulary than "variant" in this instance, in the same way that the Bren gun is a derivative of the ZB-26.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:13:11 PM EDT
I saw a Valmet M76 do a group that was sub-MOA. 5 shots in about a .75" group. Then, those groups opened up and even on a cool barrel 2" was about as good as it would ever do again.

I attributed it to stupid luck.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:28:13 PM EDT
Here you go.



Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:42:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 9:43:07 PM EDT by Andreuha]
Well, if you're bringing up the Valmet's and Sig's, then why not late Soviet designs? Specifically the AL-4 and AL-7, and later, AK-107 and AK-108
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 5:06:44 AM EDT
AK's were designed to "minute of American" specs. And we just keep getting fatter. Stoopid

rj
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 5:13:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Here you go


www.thetacticalsolution.com/hostedpictures/ak01.jpg



What's with the worn WASR-10?

Almost looks like it was purposefully worn...
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 5:21:00 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 5:54:36 AM EDT
If you are willing to accept the Daewoo DR-200/K2 as a AK 'variant' then, we have one that can shoot under MOA with good ammo. The Daewoo, though is an elegant mutt with an AK gas system, FAL gas regulator, and AR bolt system. Hard to call it a AK 'variant'....perhaps it is best called an AK derrivative.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:00:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cyoung:
If you are willing to accept the Daewoo DR-200/K2 as a AK 'variant' then, we have one that can shoot under MOA with good ammo. The Daewoo, though is an elegant mutt with an AK gas system, FAL gas regulator, and AR bolt system. Hard to call it a AK 'variant'....perhaps it is best called an AK derrivative.



The DR-200 is the bee's knees. Reliable, rugged, accurate.


Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:07:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ponyboy:

Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:

Originally Posted By Ponyboy:
Here you go


www.thetacticalsolution.com/hostedpictures/ak01.jpg



What's with the worn WASR-10?

Almost looks like it was purposefully worn...




What can I say, I'm rough with my stuff.....




I dunno... I don't see any scratches. It looks like it was lugged around in the desert for a decade or so. Are you suuuuuuuuuuure you didn't take any sandpaper to it?
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 1:57:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 2:01:02 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/24/2006 2:04:55 PM EDT by HKTackDriver]
VEPR AK

Mine functions perfectly and with factory (US brand) loads, it will shoot MOA or better with IRONS.

With Wolf, I can expect 2.5" groups which rivals its 223 product in an AR15.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 2:03:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rifleman18Echo:
Here you go.

remtek.com/arms/sig/sniper/sniper3.gif



damn beat me to it
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 2:13:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By HKTackDriver:
VEPR AK

Mine functions perfectly and with factory (US brand) loads, it will shoot MOA or better with IRONS.

With Wolf, I can expect 2.5" groups which rivals its 223 product in an AR15.
i28.photobucket.com/albums/c229/balzac72/DSCN4382.jpg



Impressive. I'm not an AK guy (yet). Is it difficult to add wood furniture to your VEPR? I imagine it wouldn't be. Call me nostalgic, but I kinda like the look of a classic AK.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 2:19:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By HKTackDriver:
VEPR AK

Mine functions perfectly and with factory (US brand) loads, it will shoot MOA or better with IRONS.

With Wolf, I can expect 2.5" groups which rivals its 223 product in an AR15.
i28.photobucket.com/albums/c229/balzac72/DSCN4382.jpg



Impressive. I'm not an AK guy (yet). Is it difficult to add wood furniture to your VEPR? I imagine it wouldn't be. Call me nostalgic, but I kinda like the look of a classic AK.



To the best of my knowledge, no one makes a wood furniture set for VEPRs. And even if wood stocks, grips and handguards were available, they'd have to be made in the USA in order to get around the no more than 10 imported parts rule.


www.robarm.com/RA_vepr%20faqs%20answers.html#VEPR%20US%20Made%20Parts

"Can the VEPR accept a standard AK47 Stock?

"No. The VEPR receiver is different and cannot accept AK47 Stocks, pistol Grips, and handguards without modification."

Which parts of the VEPR are U.S. made?

All parts of the standard VEPR and VEPR Super are made in Russia. Robinson Armament Co. makes the following parts for the VEPR II and VEPR K:

1) Buttstock;
2) Pistol Grip;
3) Hanguard;
4) Trigger; and
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 2:21:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LoginName:

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By HKTackDriver:
VEPR AK

Mine functions perfectly and with factory (US brand) loads, it will shoot MOA or better with IRONS.

With Wolf, I can expect 2.5" groups which rivals its 223 product in an AR15.
i28.photobucket.com/albums/c229/balzac72/DSCN4382.jpg



Impressive. I'm not an AK guy (yet). Is it difficult to add wood furniture to your VEPR? I imagine it wouldn't be. Call me nostalgic, but I kinda like the look of a classic AK.



To the best of my knowledge, no one makes a wood furniture set for VEPRs. And even if wood stocks, grips and handguards were available, they'd have to be made in the USA in order to get around the no more than 10 imported parts rule.


www.robarm.com/RA_vepr%20faqs%20answers.html#VEPR%20US%20Made%20Parts

"Can the VEPR accept a standard AK47 Stock?

"No. The VEPR receiver is different and cannot accept AK47 Stocks, pistol Grips, and handguards without modification."

Which parts of the VEPR are U.S. made?

All parts of the standard VEPR and VEPR Super are made in Russia. Robinson Armament Co. makes the following parts for the VEPR II and VEPR K:

1) Buttstock;
2) Pistol Grip;
3) Hanguard;
4) Trigger; and



You know, I'll bet somebody who was really gifted with woodworking could make something, if they had standard AK furniture as a reference. Hmmmm...the wheels in my head are turning...
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 2:35:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/24/2006 2:36:20 PM EDT by LoginName]

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By LoginName:

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By HKTackDriver:
VEPR AK

Mine functions perfectly and with factory (US brand) loads, it will shoot MOA or better with IRONS.

With Wolf, I can expect 2.5" groups which rivals its 223 product in an AR15.
i28.photobucket.com/albums/c229/balzac72/DSCN4382.jpg



Impressive. I'm not an AK guy (yet). Is it difficult to add wood furniture to your VEPR? I imagine it wouldn't be. Call me nostalgic, but I kinda like the look of a classic AK.



To the best of my knowledge, no one makes a wood furniture set for VEPRs. And even if wood stocks, grips and handguards were available, they'd have to be made in the USA in order to get around the no more than 10 imported parts rule.


www.robarm.com/RA_vepr%20faqs%20answers.html#VEPR%20US%20Made%20Parts

"Can the VEPR accept a standard AK47 Stock?

"No. The VEPR receiver is different and cannot accept AK47 Stocks, pistol Grips, and handguards without modification."

Which parts of the VEPR are U.S. made?

All parts of the standard VEPR and VEPR Super are made in Russia. Robinson Armament Co. makes the following parts for the VEPR II and VEPR K:

1) Buttstock;
2) Pistol Grip;
3) Hanguard;
4) Trigger; and



You know, I'll bet somebody who was really gifted with woodworking could make something, if they had standard AK furniture as a reference. Hmmmm...the wheels in my head are turning...



Same here... I'm seriously looking at purchasing a VEPR 16"bbl in 7.62x39 but the receivers aren't expected to ship from Russia until late Jan or Feb.

I prefer the "classic" wood look myself. It doesn't look like it would be all that difficult for someone with even simple woodworking skills to make their own stock and pistol grip.

(reference photo, VEPR skeleton stock and pistol grip)

Link Posted: 1/24/2006 2:40:40 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 2:41:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LoginName:

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By LoginName:

Originally Posted By SubnetMask:

Originally Posted By HKTackDriver:
VEPR AK

Mine functions perfectly and with factory (US brand) loads, it will shoot MOA or better with IRONS.

With Wolf, I can expect 2.5" groups which rivals its 223 product in an AR15.
i28.photobucket.com/albums/c229/balzac72/DSCN4382.jpg



Impressive. I'm not an AK guy (yet). Is it difficult to add wood furniture to your VEPR? I imagine it wouldn't be. Call me nostalgic, but I kinda like the look of a classic AK.



To the best of my knowledge, no one makes a wood furniture set for VEPRs. And even if wood stocks, grips and handguards were available, they'd have to be made in the USA in order to get around the no more than 10 imported parts rule.


www.robarm.com/RA_vepr%20faqs%20answers.html#VEPR%20US%20Made%20Parts

"Can the VEPR accept a standard AK47 Stock?

"No. The VEPR receiver is different and cannot accept AK47 Stocks, pistol Grips, and handguards without modification."

Which parts of the VEPR are U.S. made?

All parts of the standard VEPR and VEPR Super are made in Russia. Robinson Armament Co. makes the following parts for the VEPR II and VEPR K:

1) Buttstock;
2) Pistol Grip;
3) Hanguard;
4) Trigger; and



You know, I'll bet somebody who was really gifted with woodworking could make something, if they had standard AK furniture as a reference. Hmmmm...the wheels in my head are turning...



Same here... I'm seriously looking at purchasing a VEPR 16"bbl in 7.62x39 but the receivers aren't expected to ship from Russia until late Jan or Feb.

I prefer the "classic" wood look myself. It doesn't look like it would be all that difficult for someone with even simple woodworking skills to make their own stock and pistol grip.

(reference photo, VEPR skeleton stock and pistol grip)

www.ak47.com/prodimages/VEPR-Skeleton-Stock-LG.gif



Are folding stocks available for it?
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 2:52:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Silesius:

Are folding stocks available for it?



Nope.

I wonder how difficult it would be for someone with machine shop skills to convert an ACE AK-47 side folder
stock to fit a VEPR?

www.aceltdusa.com/AKStamped.htm
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 3:37:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ponyboy:

Originally Posted By Alien:

I dunno... I don't see any scratches. It looks like it was lugged around in the desert for a decade or so. Are you suuuuuuuuuuure you didn't take any sandpaper to it?




No, I'm not.





bad steel wool job....
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