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Posted: 1/23/2006 3:31:34 PM EDT
Also, what events would develop if Israel attacked Iran and destroyed their nuke program?
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 3:32:37 PM EDT
TAG
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 3:34:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 3:36:06 PM EDT by DOW]
I think it would be safe to say the city of Teheran would cease to exist, for starters.

ETA - or is it Tehran?
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 3:35:41 PM EDT
If Iran hit Israel, Isreal would realtiate with multiple nukes against Iran and any other Arab country they thought might me involved.

If Israel hit Iran: Nothing.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 3:35:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 3:36:43 PM EDT by david_g17]
there would finally be peace in the middle east.

eta: b/c Israel would clean the place up.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 3:38:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By david_g17:
there would finally be peace in the middle east.

eta: b/c Israel would clean the place up.



good edit - you were about to get an earfull
Matt
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 3:40:43 PM EDT
+1 The Mid East would be a LOT more quite
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 3:42:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
+1 The Mid East would be a LOT more quite



Quite what?
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 3:43:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By valheru21:

Originally Posted By david_g17:
there would finally be peace in the middle east.

eta: b/c Israel would clean the place up.



good edit - you were about to get an earfull
Matt



For one thing, they'd remodel the Dome of the Rock.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 3:46:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 3:53:03 PM EDT by Sub-MOA]
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If Israel nuked Iran:

Syria and Egypt would make ugly noises… Saudi Arabia would have to kill about a 1000 people to stay in power. Jordan just might fall, it depends on how much spine the military has. Turkey and Pakistan… well hell, who knows WTF with Turkey and Pakistan?

There would be another spate of suicide bombings and then not a thing.

Israel is already in a state of war with these shitheads - Even if they will not acknowledge it.

I can only see things getting worse, much worse, until someone gets the balls to “crush the Islamic state.”

Iran nukes Israel: Bye bye Iran; maybe Syria and Egypt too
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 3:46:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By NonConformist:
+1 The Mid East would be a LOT more quite



Quite what?



Quite dead. Can you say glass-floored self-lighting parking lot?
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 3:47:13 PM EDT
The whole region would be sterilized within hours.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 3:48:59 PM EDT
Iran would cease to exist (think big glass parking lot) and as long as Israel could recover, the world would be a better place.

That would make the count three down (Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan) and one to go (Syria).
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:04:35 PM EDT
Depends on who the Iranians hit. they hti the Israeli NCA, it's going to take time to respond. None of the Arab states would get involved. Remember the Arabs and Persians generally hate each other.

If the Iranians were dumb enough to hit Jerusalem and damage the Dome of the Rock, I would expect some tacit if not outright support for a response by Israel by other Moslem states.

I doubt we would see much more than rending of garments and gnashing of teeth if the Israelis hit first. You can be pretty damn sure the Pakis and Indians are gonna be pretty damn pissed as the fallout drifts down to them, no matter who caused it.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:07:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Arkansas_Rocketman:
Iran would cease to exist (think big glass parking lot) and as long as Israel could recover, the world would be a better place.




Considering how tiny Israel is, and how huge Iran is, I seriously doubt that.

.. unless you are saying that the U.S. would fire strategic nukes at Iran in response, and I'm not convinced that the U.S. would.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:10:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By Arkansas_Rocketman:
Iran would cease to exist (think big glass parking lot) and as long as Israel could recover, the world would be a better place.




Considering how tiny Israel is, and how huge Iran is, I seriously doubt that.

.. unless you are saying that the U.S. would fire strategic nukes at Iran in response, and I'm not convinced that the U.S. would.



I'm under the impression that the Israelis have on the order of hundreds of nukes.

Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:25:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 9:26:17 PM EDT by www-glock19-com]
I thought that the Israelis had a few boomer type subs also
I guessing even with a pretty devistsating attack they have made plans for a effective counter strike

as for the rest of the world I betting gas gets expensive quick
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:30:33 PM EDT
Iran will not destroy Jerusalem.
They would REALLY get it from the arabs then.
Tel-Aviv and possibly Haifa would be the logical targets
of Iran.
Either way, it will be an interesting time we will live in.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:38:28 PM EDT
i still think that - regardless who attacks who first ---

russia and china will get involved and dubyadubyatre will ensue

.....
hopefully
.....

at least i wont have to goto work and pay off my school loans anymore [praise the lord]
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:41:30 PM EDT
Iran uses crappy guidance system, accidently nukes Gaza, Ooops!
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:42:26 PM EDT
If Israel gets nuked, it is doubtful they will recover. They are a tiny country and cant afford to maintain their power w/o the economy their large cities generate.

Their solution, take them with us.

Nuke em all. Everyone to the east of them is toast, with the current possible exception of Iraq. Their all gone. Jordan to to be on the safe side, Syria, Iran, Saudi, maybe even the little states just out of spite.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:45:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 9:47:29 PM EDT by cluster]
. ., Somehow and for some reason i can see the US trying hard to get isreal NOT to fire back.. it wont work but i can see it
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:47:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 9:48:34 PM EDT by ARDunstan]
Actually, I seriously doubt Iran will ever be successful
in launching long range missiles toward Israel.
They will have to use other means.

Patriot


Airborne Laser
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:49:08 PM EDT
I think it would be a can of worms that none of us would like to see
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:51:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ARDunstan:
Actually, I seriously doubt Iran will ever be successful
in launching long range missiles toward Israel.
They will have to use other means.

Patriot
images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2003/04/14-patrot-missile-web.jpg

Airborne Laser
www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul2001/010713-D-6570C-006.jpg



Patriot is useless against a BM.

ABL is not operational...I don't even know if the laser has been installed in the plane yet.

Arrow ABM might have some chance, but likely they'd just drive a truck over, or better yet a shipping container in a freighter sailing into a harbor.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:52:21 PM EDT
That scenario makes me think of two books; Daniel and Revelation.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:55:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GoGop:
That scenario makes me think of two books; Daniel and Revelation.


Not a relgious person by any means but i tell ya curret events have had me rethinking my position
pretty amazing stuff
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:56:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:

Originally Posted By ARDunstan:
Actually, I seriously doubt Iran will ever be successful
in launching long range missiles toward Israel.
They will have to use other means.

Patriot
images.usatoday.com/news/_photos/2003/04/14-patrot-missile-web.jpg

Airborne Laser
www.defenselink.mil/news/Jul2001/010713-D-6570C-006.jpg



Patriot is useless against a BM.

ABL is not operational...I don't even know if the laser has been installed in the plane yet.

Arrow ABM might have some chance, but likely they'd just drive a truck over, or better yet a shipping container in a freighter sailing into a harbor.



I seem to recall that the Patriot missile is in its third version with
improvements against BMs.
The old missile of 15 years ago was indeed mediocre.

Looks like the ABL development is going good.


Link Posted: 1/23/2006 9:59:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:
Iran uses crappy guidance system, accidently nukes Gaza, Ooops!



That's Israel's story, and they're sticking to it.

Based on the power output of the Israeli reactor--that places a bound on how much Pu they can generate--most people think the Israelis have around 200 nukes.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:05:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dpmmn:
I think it would be a can of worms that none of us would like to see



start of ww III?
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 10:07:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 10:10:12 PM EDT by Mattl]
If a nuke hits Israel or the U.S. it will be smuggled in not on a missile. Like he said even the persians would not destroy Jerusalem Haifa (ports)is the most likely target followed by Tel Aviv. Said nuke will be Russian, N.Korean, or Pakistani in orgin but not be fired by them. Likely it will be sold or stolen. Russia and China get quite a lot of Oil from Iran so they have a vested interest in assuring at the least a non-nuke war. Israel is hit Iran and Syria will cease a relevent existence possibly Saudi Arabia as well. Jordan and Egypt are playing somewhat nice as of late thus thier fate is not certain. Also if Iran is going to be blinked out of existence they will probably try to hit the largest concentration of our troops they can before Israel finishes them.




The only certainty is moving away from oil as prices will skyrocket. Can you say DISTABILIZED WORLD MARKET? Landgrabs and broader war are an eventual certainty.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 1:41:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By GoGop:
That scenario makes me think of two books; Daniel and Revelation.



Yep. All that's needed in the scenario is Russia and a "large army" from the East.

hint hint, nudge, nudge
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 4:07:04 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/24/2006 4:08:47 AM EDT by John_Wayne777]

Originally Posted By cyrax777:

Originally Posted By dpmmn:
I think it would be a can of worms that none of us would like to see



start of ww III?



Perhaps the start of what will truly be the last war.

People flinging nukes around is a scary prospect.

And before the dust even settles China and Russia would be competing to try and claim the resources of the area.

It would get real ugly REAL fast.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 5:39:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/24/2006 5:46:53 AM EDT by CMOS]
I'm glad someone finally mentioned that the world oil market would basically go crazy - at least $100/barrel and that would be limited production. Follow the economic ripple effect down to massive worldwide layoffs due to the high energy costs, and you've got yourself a worldwide recession.

Bad stuff guys.

CMOS
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 5:42:40 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
If Israel hit Iran: Nothing.


Iraqi clerics will find a reason to blame the United States for attacking their Shiite brothers. Iraq will then fall to the Shiite majority.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:05:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mcgredo:

Based on the power output of the Israeli reactor--that places a bound on how much Pu they can generate--most people think the Israelis have around 200 nukes.



Wow - okay, I stand corrected. I thought they had a dozen or so.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:55:17 AM EDT
if that happened we would get the worlds largest parking lot (covered with green colored glass)
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 6:57:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 7:23:51 AM EDT
The muslim population in the world would decrease SIGNIFICANTLY.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 7:28:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ARDunstan:
I seem to recall that the Patriot missile is in its third version with
improvements against BMs.
The old missile of 15 years ago was indeed mediocre.

Looks like the ABL development is going good.





Even PAC3 is no ABM system, I mean if it were why did the US spend all that money on our ABM system?

Last thing I head about ABL was that the installed the turret on the bird and were flight testing it.....without the internal components for the laser. That was a while ago thou...
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 7:43:53 AM EDT
I'm pretty sure they'd nuke pretty much everybody back.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 8:00:55 AM EDT
I am pretty sure real estate prices over there would change a lot.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 8:12:18 AM EDT
$15 to $20 a gallon gas if you could even get it. Then a US depression at the very least......
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 9:16:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/24/2006 9:17:53 AM EDT by PhotoKidD100]
Mossad would have a field day, gas $20 a gallon max 2 gallons per car, new Orleans type violence everywhere, mass power outages do to energy supply, the government would ration everything, A new depression, NG escorting tanker trucks, Martial law , random nuke detonations, And then...........?????????

And Iran is sporting the newest glass parking lot.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 9:34:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By mcgredo:

Based on the power output of the Israeli reactor--that places a bound on how much Pu they can generate--most people think the Israelis have around 200 nukes.



Wow - okay, I stand corrected. I thought they had a dozen or so.



It's unknown what type of weapons they are. For example, do they have H-bombs? Boosted fission-fusion-fission bombs? Mostly tactical nukes or neutron bombs? My guess is that they'd be biased towards tactical nukes. The Jewish demographic is well-represented in physics departments, so they may have some surprising stuff, if untested.

The reactor has been in operation since the early 60's, so they've had a lot of time to generate plutonium for their stockpile. But the size and power generated puts an upper bound on how much they could have accumulated.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 9:48:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CMOS:
I'm glad someone finally mentioned that the world oil market would basically go crazy - at least $100/barrel and that would be limited production. Follow the economic ripple effect down to massive worldwide layoffs due to the high energy costs, and you've got yourself a worldwide recession depression .

Bad stuff guys.

CMOS



I'll see your recession and raise you one of those.
Link Posted: 1/24/2006 11:16:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By GoGop:
That scenario makes me think of two books; Daniel and Revelation.



That reminds me, I need to go back and read Daniel again.
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