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Posted: 1/22/2006 10:27:06 PM EDT
Im on the look out for a engine for my 38 chevy. 350's would be cheaper and parts are cheaper. 454's can squeeze out more HP but are heavier and more expensive. But they can be bored over much more than small blocks. Any suggestions?
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:29:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 10:33:52 PM EDT by adair_usmc]
I voted for the 5th option, as it has a lot of truth to it.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:31:39 PM EDT
I would go with the classic 350. I've seen some real rip-roaring engines built on the this small block.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:38:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By warlord:
I would go with the classic 350. I've seen some real rip-roaring engines built on the this small block.



Nascars use 350's but they get rebuilt after every race(atleast what i heard) and I dont want to rebuild it after everytime I drive it.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:39:59 PM EDT
There is no replacement for substitutes.

Wait, thats not it.........

There is no substitute for gas.

Damnit, thats not either.....

What is it again.........
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:40:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rasanders22:

Originally Posted By warlord:
I would go with the classic 350. I've seen some real rip-roaring engines built on the this small block.



Nascars use 350's but they get rebuilt after every race(atleast what i heard) and I dont want to rebuild it after everytime I drive it.


You don't want to build up to that level, but something a bit more reasonable. Reember gas isn't getting any cheaper because you may not be able to afford to drive it.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:42:07 PM EDT
The 350 is quite impressive.


But nothing a really awsome 281 Ford can't embarrass

Let the SHTF.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:46:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:47:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By warlord:

Originally Posted By rasanders22:

Originally Posted By warlord:
I would go with the classic 350. I've seen some real rip-roaring engines built on the this small block.



Nascars use 350's but they get rebuilt after every race(atleast what i heard) and I dont want to rebuild it after everytime I drive it.


You don't want to build up to that level, but something a bit more reasonable. Reember gas isn't getting any cheaper because you may not be able to afford to drive it.



Im not building up a commuting car. Its gona be a hotrod.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:48:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rasanders22:

Originally Posted By warlord:

Originally Posted By rasanders22:

Originally Posted By warlord:
I would go with the classic 350. I've seen some real rip-roaring engines built on the this small block.



Nascars use 350's but they get rebuilt after every race(atleast what i heard) and I dont want to rebuild it after everytime I drive it.


You don't want to build up to that level, but something a bit more reasonable. Reember gas isn't getting any cheaper because you may not be able to afford to drive it.



Im not building up a commuting car. Its gona be a hotrod.



Well then DUH.
Get the 454.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:54:42 PM EDT
how can you mount a 350 in those easy? my dade has one, it is a nice car.

Are you doing a mustang II front? What are replacing the factory drive shaft and tranny with?
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:55:41 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 10:57:11 PM EDT by warlord]
rasanders22: I guess your ambition is only limited by the size of your bank acount. In that case, I would go with a 396/454 big block and really light up them tires.

Show us some pictures of your handy work when you're done in the future.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:58:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Zip:
how can you mount a 350 in those easy? my dade has one, it is a nice car.

Are you doing a mustang II front? What are replacing the factory drive shaft and tranny with?



Mustang 2 front end and having to replace all the drive train assembly. And this is going to cost me a lot of money :(
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:00:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 11:01:03 PM EDT by MoparMike]
While there is no replacement for displacement, a small-block can do some wild shit. It revs faster therefore getting to its "power band" faster, and is more readily kept there. Check into a 383 Fast Burn from Crate. 350ci that puts out 383HP off a 650cfm carb. (I think...) But they can build them up to put out over 450 with fuel injection or a big-assed carb.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:08:34 PM EDT
i would fit it to your budget.

All the BB acessory parts cost alot more.


plan on splening 1.5 tfor a big block, and you could make the same power.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:13:05 PM EDT
Pat Musi 555 crate motor.

950hp of sweet Chevy goodness.

Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:16:20 PM EDT
Speed costs money. How fast can you afford to go?

If money is no object, then big block all the way! Just add aluminum heads, fuel injection, and electric water pump to the list for max effect.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:20:37 PM EDT
I like the 350 Lighter, think about your front end and springs
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:20:58 PM EDT
How about a picture of the car?
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:32:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 11:33:50 PM EDT by Maxxx]

Originally Posted By SUPERSPORT:
How about a picture of the car?



+1 We want picts of the build!


EDIT: 5 CHOICE POLES SUCK.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:53:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 12:01:38 AM EDT by D25]
true the small blocks are cheaper but look at it this way,,,


you can spent 2grand doing a performance rebuild on a small block and get 500 horses and a butt load of torque and that will be the last rebuild that engine will see OR

you can spend the 2grand on a stock rebuild on a 454 and get the 500 horses and a butt load more torque and rebuild it several more times.

they are both good engines, no doubt, so what it boils down to is personal preference.
i spent years playing with the 327,383,350 and 400 small blocks so i have nothing against them but after discovering big blocks,,,,i now fully understand the meaning behind " the only substitute for cubic inches is cubic dollars"


there is no doubt the big blocks are more expensive to buy parts for but to get the same power out of a small block you will spend the money on other parts
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:54:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 12:03:51 AM EDT by D25]
what other mods have you done to the car? will the other mods even hold up to high horspower/torque?
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 12:05:02 AM EDT
v6 or small block with a turbo or two hanging off of it
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 12:09:10 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
v6 or small block with a turbo or two hanging off of it



That would make for an exciting engine......If your a 16 year old GIRL.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 12:12:19 AM EDT
Noobs.

Link Posted: 1/23/2006 12:21:30 AM EDT
I vote for any straight 6. Ha! Seriously though, I'd go for the 350.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 4:48:42 AM EDT
I would go with something a little rarer if you can afford it just to make the car stand out more.

How about a Chevy 302 ?(If you can find one)

A guy in school had one in his Chevy II and it was s screamer.



PS. before some of you guys argue that 302 is a Ford engine not Chevy......."Google it"

I've had more arguements over the Chevrolet 302 over the years ............
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 4:57:20 AM EDT
Go with a good crate 350.You can buy one nowadays cheaper than a good set of ported heads cost back when I was young and foolish.I'd go aluminum heads,intake to keep the weight down.
This is from a guy with THREE 454s sitting around,looking for something cool to climb into.
Or if you have to have a BB,go with the 502 crate.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 4:59:49 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:03:24 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rasanders22:

Originally Posted By warlord:
I would go with the classic 350. I've seen some real rip-roaring engines built on the this small block.



Nascars use 350's but they get rebuilt after every race(atleast what i heard) and I dont want to rebuild it after everytime I drive it.


So you race NASCAR in a 38' chevy?
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:07:43 AM EDT
I would go 305 all day long!

Go 454 cause you can. Nothing says kick ass like BIG BLOCK!
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:15:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
v6 or small block with a turbo or two hanging off of it



my thoughts exactly


Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:17:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By warlord:

Originally Posted By rasanders22:

Originally Posted By warlord:
I would go with the classic 350. I've seen some real rip-roaring engines built on the this small block.



Nascars use 350's but they get rebuilt after every race(atleast what i heard) and I dont want to rebuild it after everytime I drive it.


You don't want to build up to that level, but something a bit more reasonable. Reember gas isn't getting any cheaper because you may not be able to afford to drive it.



What he said, race engines and street engines are two different things. I assure you, you don't have to rebuild a SBC every time you run it.

I voted for the Rat. I love big blocks. They're heavy, they're big but damnit their fun. Just take my advice, get a o.d. transmission whatever you do. almost $3/gal for super, 461 BBC, Muncie M-22, 4:11s are NOT economically friendly. My Firebird was parked during the last round of "Let's sell our kidneys for gasoline" game.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:17:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rasanders22:
Im on the look out for a engine for my 38 chevy. 350's would be cheaper and parts are cheaper. 454's can squeeze out more HP but are heavier and more expensive. But they can be bored over much more than small blocks. Any suggestions?



If you are making a rod type car, a properly set up 350 should be more than adequate for your needs. You can build one hell of a 350 motor for cheaper than you can a 454 motor simply because of parts availability. With all the stuff out there for the small blocks, you should be able to create a 400 HP motor that will run on pump gas.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:19:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By numbers:
Why not go all out?

www.crateenginedepot.com/store/images/12498793_large.jpg



I don't believe that monster will fit under the hood of a 38 Ford's body. In fact, I don't think the 454 will either.

They are awesome motors to be sure, but making one fit with a 38 Ford isn't going to be easy, if I remember correctly....
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:22:30 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mwood65:
I would go with something a little rarer if you can afford it just to make the car stand out more.

How about a Chevy 302 ?(If you can find one)

A guy in school had one in his Chevy II and it was s screamer.



PS. before some of you guys argue that 302 is a Ford engine not Chevy......."Google it"

I've had more arguements over the Chevrolet 302 over the years ............



Dz302 kicks ass. Finding an original factory built 302, last time I checked anyway, cost an arm and a leg. Probably easier to just build one. 283 crank and rods and 327 block and voila Chevy 302.

Me too on the arguments, most people think Ford was only one to have build a 302. Chevy did it and better!
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:23:56 AM EDT

I'd go with the 350 if you are planning to build something you will enjoy driving on the street.

Less fuel, and less of a strain on your front end.

+1 on the pics!
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:26:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By numbers:
Why not go all out?

www.crateenginedepot.com/store/images/12498793_large.jpg



I don't believe that monster will fit under the hood of a 38 Ford's body. In fact, I don't think the 454 will either.

They are awesome motors to be sure, but making one fit with a 38 Ford isn't going to be easy, if I remember correctly....



It probably wouldn't. The 461 I transplanted into my Firebird was a shoehorn job and Pontiac engines were damn big themselves. But hey they did put a Caddy engine in a Chevette, of course the driver was sitting beside the left bank header and the shifter was mounted directly to the tailshaft of the transmission.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:30:46 AM EDT
How would you like a bullet proof big block with the displacement of a small block but the torque of a 454?

Look for a 366 truck engine. They have taller decks than normal BB's, but they have the stoke of a SB 400 and a real slim bore. These engines were true brutes.

Otherwise, I would stick with a SB, I'd really shoot for a 383 stroker.
GM's 12497317 HT 383 Crate Engine
12497317 HT 383
Specially tuned for torque, the all new HT 383 delivers great truck power in a small block package for your truck or street rod. With its 3.80" stroke and Vortec cylinder heads the HT 383 makes awesome torque, down low where you need it for towing or four wheeling off road. Peak torque is 435 ft.lbs at 4000 rpm, but the HT 383 makes over 400 ft.lbs. from 2500 to 4000 rpm. Developed with a roller cam, special heavy duty forged powdered metal connecting rods, "4340" forged crankshaft and hypereutectic pistons the HT 383 is designed ot be worked. 340 horsepower at 4500 rpm doesn't hurt either. The HT 383 is an ideal replacement for any 1977 and older carbureted engine or off road application.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:31:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mwood65:
I would go with something a little rarer if you can afford it just to make the car stand out more.

How about a Chevy 302 ?(If you can find one)

A guy in school had one in his Chevy II and it was s screamer.



PS. before some of you guys argue that 302 is a Ford engine not Chevy......."Google it"

I've had more arguements over the Chevrolet 302 over the years ............



The Chevy 302 was the true Z-28 engine. The Ford Boss 302 was created to compete with it on the racetrack.

As for the poll, I say go with the 350. You'll be able to fit it in easier, your car won't be as front-heavy, and there's always the gas issue. I have a truck with the 454, and it really sucks the gas. Lot's of torque, though.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:32:30 AM EDT
Get the Big Block. Torque RULES the streets.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:34:29 AM EDT
big block
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:39:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 5:41:37 AM EDT by krpind]
If you want a lot of power and no hassles, buy a big block crate engine from your Chevy Dealer or Jegs or annyone you find that has them. You WON'T be sorry. You won't be able to get the grin off your face.

<-----you

My buddy has one in a Vette.

Nascar engines built by the top teams are only reliable to the length of the race. Matter of fact the top teams build engines just for certain tracks.

Even the best teams have a problem "walking the line" between HP and reliability for the Coca- Cola 600 at LOWES Motor Speedway. That is the circuits longest race. The last hundred miles of that race usually claims an engine or two of teams that typically don't lose an engine.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:57:48 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 6:18:45 AM EDT by 10mmFan]

All aluminum used LS6-405HP & light. Fergit the 350.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 6:04:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 6:04:55 AM EDT by jmarkma]


store.summitracing.com/default.asp?Ntt=383&searchinresults=false&Ntk=KeywordSearch&DDS=1&N=115&target=egnsearch.asp
Edelbrock Performer RPM Signature Series Limited Edition 9.5:1 460 HP/460 Torque 383 Crate Engines
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 6:08:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 1GUNRUNNER:

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
There is no replacement for substitutes.

Wait, thats not it.........

There is no substitute for gas.

Damnit, thats not either.....

What is it again.........



Nothing beats cubic inches.



No Replacement for Displacement?
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 6:17:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By 10mmFan:
All aluminum used LS6-405HP & light. Fegit the 350.



+1 Gotta love having the HP along with still getting +-26mpg! I LOVE driving my 2000 LS1 B4C Camaro for that reason.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 6:21:11 AM EDT
Hell, I used 6th gear a lot and got almost 30mpg coming back from FL in my 02 Z06. Pollution my ass! The thing qualifies as a low emissions whatever.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 6:29:06 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 6:39:08 AM EDT
Small Bolck Chevy motors in street rods are as common as bellybuttons...

I'd drop a BBC in it without a doubt.

Remember the saying: "There's NO replacement for displacement."
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 6:40:49 AM EDT
If money is no object, I would vote for a crate 502.

Although there is a guy on the Chevelle forum with a sweet 600+ cubic inch monster that
he got under the hood of his car.

Second choice would be a 454, then a 396.
It isn't that parts are rare or hard to find. It is just that fewer people actually use a big block.
Kind of like why .22 shorts cost more than .22 long rifles.

You can get brand new parts any day of the week from numerous suppliers.

Then I would consider small blocks. A 383, then 350.

I've got a Chevelle with a 450 horse 383. Gets about 8mpg.
I don't drive it much anymore. Less than 100 miles last summer.

My neighbor has a Chevelle with a 427 that gulps 104 octane race gas.
(I LOVE the smell of that exhaust)

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