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Posted: 1/22/2006 8:20:30 PM EDT
Kenneth R. Timmerman
Saturday, Jan. 21, 2006

NEW YORK CITY -- An international coalition of anti-gun groups called on Hollywood to convince a U.N. conference in New York to impose legally-binding United Nations controls over small arms and personal firearms.

Flanked by Hollywood director Andrew Niccol, advocates from ControlArms, SaferWorld, and the International Action Network on Small Arms, IANSA, hosted a cocktail party at the United Nations headquarters building Tuesday night, followed by a viewing of Niccol's 2005 film, "Lord of War."

The film, starring Nicolas Cage, is a searing portrayal of an American gun-runner who criss-crosses Africa, supplying warlords and heads of state with a variety of weaponry.

After dodging bullets and Interpol agents seeking his arrest, Cage returns to his multi-million dollar Manhattan condo and his trophy wife, just like any international businessman. "Cars and cigarettes kill more people than guns," he says at one point. "I simply give people the means to defend themselves."

The only problem with the film's scarcely-veiled condemnation of international arms traffickers is that Cage's behavior is more harshly regulated in the United States than in virtually any other country around the world, according to the anti-gun lobbyists themselves.

Brian Wood, a top arms trade analyst for Amnesty International and ControlArms, told anti-gun activists in New York that the arms dealers who have supplied Africa's most brutal war lords over the past decade were French, Russian and Ukrainian - not American.

"Only 30 countries in the world have laws that regulate arms brokering," he said. They include the 25 European Union nations, Nicaragua, Israel, Japan, South Africa – and the United States. "And that's it," Wood said.

Victor Bout, who became famous for running guns into improvised air strips in Africa in exchange for raw diamonds, is a Russian national. Leonid Minin, arrested in Milan, Italy on August 5, 2000 for selling arms to the Revolutionary United Front (RUF) in Sierra Leone, is from Ukraine.

"Arms brokers use the weakest links in the system," Wood said. "A lot of the most damaging cases involve siphoning off surpluses, especially in Central Asia and certain countries in Eastern Europe."

He lauded two nations for "a high degree of extra-territorial application" of their national arms brokering laws, South Africa and the United States.

Nevertheless, anti-gun activists made clear at week-long meetings in New York to prepare this summer's UN Small Arms and Light Weapons conference, that their goal was to place legally-binding international restrictions on the possession of personal firearms and the international arms trade.

"I was in Sierre Leone," British activist Anthea Lawson, a spokesperson for IANSA, told Newsmax. "How can I explain to people who have gone through incredible suffering because of small arms that NRA [National Rifle Association] concerns are blocking an international agreement that would make lots of people safer?"

International gun control was necessary, she argued, "because the legal trade in weapons is where the illegal trade begins. The weapons themselves all come out of the legal trade."

In Africa's worst killing spree in modern history, an estimated 500,000 Tutsis were massacred by rival Hutu tribesmen in Rwanda in 1994. But the weapons used were machetes, not firearms.

Former U.S. Congressman Bob Barr, who is serving as an unpaid advisor to the U.S. delegation to the conference, said that the goal of the non-government organizations and the countries supporting them "is to take away the freedom we possess in our country to possess firearms."

Just as anti-gun control advocates in the United States, the international NGOs were "focusing on the instrument, not on the underlying problem," he told NewsMax. "It's relatively easy to get a handle on the true problem, which is how do you prevent military weapons from getting into the hands of rogue regimes and genocidal maniacs."

The Bush administration has set out several "red lines" that the United States would not cross, he said.

"We will allow no discussion, no negotiation, over civilian possession of firearms," Barr said. Nor will the U.S. agree to any U.N. effort to impose binding U.N. controls on what "non-state actors" a member state will supply with weapons.

"We feel it's the prerogative of the president of the United States to decide what groups to support," Barr said. "There could be freedom fighters in ‘Freedonia' we find it in our interest to arm."

Countries backing the effort to place legally-binding international restrictions on the trade in small arms include Canada, which hosted a presentation by Amnesty International at the United Nations, Britain, Mexico, Japan, the Netherlands, and Brazil.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 8:25:44 PM EDT
Yawn.

Let the F.A.Gs try and take them.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 8:28:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 8:39:30 PM EDT
Tell them to ahnd me the court order in person. I wil then hand them a copy of the constution. You do not controll my country. If you give me five minutes, I will gather them up. ( goes to internet sends emails ) hope you like the response.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 8:39:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 8:56:04 PM EDT by warlord]
Elite-Soldier: That is a pretty neat .GIF file.

We all must stay vigilant. Any treaty signed by the PotUS and approved by the U.S. Senate will instantly become law of the land even though it is unconstitutional.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 8:52:59 PM EDT
Maybe the new "AWB" will be a UN treaty.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:05:19 PM EDT
let them come, i will be waiting
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:08:04 PM EDT
Fuck the fucking fuckers. If I see a blue helmet clad person coming to get my guns I wont give it to them.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:09:27 PM EDT
That's the first time (this year) I have heard that.....
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:11:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Elite-Soldier:
i.guns.ru/club/ak_anim.gif




thats f'ing cool
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:12:06 PM EDT
Yeah, it is American gun owners fault that retards around the world are killing each other with weapons from Eastern Bloc and Chinese/North Korean military arsenals.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:24:06 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:24:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 9:25:47 PM EDT by CRC]
IIRC the UN made an exception for guns made in 1898 and before but no country would be allowed exempt ANY OTHER GUNS WHATSOEVER if a treaty like this passes.

I will guarantee you a treaty regulating gun ownership will do things like these (think IANSA):

1) Ban machineguns totally (except police/military)

2) Really restrict handguns w/ 'may issue' permits given out to only the elite (like many countries already)

3) Ban guns over 45 calibre

4) Ban guns holding more than 10 rounds save maybe rimfire .22s and .17s

5) Burdensome expensive annual total registration

You get the idea.

It will be the United Nations Gun Control Act and it will be 10 times worse than the 1968 Gun Control Act in the US
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:31:26 PM EDT
The faggots can have their little parties about grabbing our firearms. Lets see them try it. Come and get them.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:32:48 PM EDT
It is way past time for the UN to go. They are nothing more than an international group of has beens who's sole purpose is to promote corruption.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:34:13 PM EDT



"I was in Sierre Leone," British activist Anthea Lawson, a spokesperson for IANSA, told Newsmax. "How can I explain to people who have gone through incredible suffering because of small arms that NRA [National Rifle Association] concerns are blocking an international agreement that would make lots of people safer?"





Yeah, and it was leftist groups in the West (American and Europe) who helped pay for those guns that went to the RUF in Sierre Leone because they considered them "progressive". So blow me Lawson.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:43:46 PM EDT
The UN is dangerous, especially with the 2008 elections coming up, and also considering the recent use of international law in USSC decisions.


Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:44:31 PM EDT
Link to CRC's story.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:56:17 PM EDT
scary-ass stuff
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 9:59:30 PM EDT
I think it's time to get a UN flag.... so I can burn it...
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:02:16 PM EDT
lots of blue helmets will be in our military surplus shops
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:15:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Inspector1:
lots of blue helmets will be in our military surplus shops



With holes in the front....and holes in the back.....
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:16:57 PM EDT
anti-gun people are anti-American...look at the liberal agenda...everything they stand for is against what America stands for...
1. Taking away guns is merely taking away the ability for a nation to defend itself...since gun owners are most likely to stand up and fight for their country more than anyone else.
2. dumb down the education system so people react to emotion and are easily swayed to the herding instincts and not likely to think for themselves.
3. Use government money to pay for the welfare (comfort) needs and survival needs of the people so less people are motivated to be self-reliant
4. Encourage legal immigrants to maintain their own national identities instead of blending into the melting pot so there are less people who would actually fight for this nation .
5. Encourage and protect the illegals so there are unruly and uncontrollable masses to weaken the internal structure of the nation.
6. "play" with the drug war so citizens are addicted to something making them weaker and unable to resist.
7. encourage Abortion because that weakens the work force, reduces the population and desensitizes people to the value of life.
8. promote evolution...we are on the level of apes; just animals...encouraging behavior like animals.
9. get rid of religion...standards...moral law...= creating anarchy, chaos and confusion...something any unified force will be justified in suppressing.
10..encourage homosexuality and pornography...helps spread disease and addicts people to their passions...
Homosexuals, riotous college students, drug dealers and liberal press and professors have their place...they will be "used" to weaken a country or civilization BUT will be eliminated when their pervered thinking and behavior is no longer necessary. Hitler used them for a time...
Who exactly will fight "FOR" this country? that is who the war is against for now...
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:17:30 PM EDT
The UN just wants to round up the guns Americans are too lazy to round up.........
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:19:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 95thFoot:

Originally Posted By Inspector1:
lots of blue helmets will be in our military surplus shops



With holes in the front....and holes in the back.....



they make for decorative wall hangers!
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:26:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By g3shooter:
Fuck the fucking fuckers. If I see a blue helmet clad person coming to get my guns I wont give it to them.



More than likely it will be done in a similar way as the evacuation of NO, out of town/state/country forces tasked with carrying out the mission. Local LEO will most likely be relocated to work other communities so there would not be as much apprehension in disarming, beating, shooting the flock of their own townspeople in the process of disarming. This will happen after local LEO's are deputized or whatever in an IPf/NPF (international/national police force) along with the guard and other military/federal entities.

I do not think blue helmets will be part of the uniform.



Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:27:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By yekimak:
Originally Posted By g3shooter:
Fuck the fucking fuckers. If I see a blue helmet clad person coming to get my guns I wont give it to them.



More than likely it will be done in a similar way as the evacuation of NO, out of town/state/country forces tasked with carrying out the mission. Local LEO will most likely be relocated to work other communities so there would not be as much apprehension in disarming, beating, shooting the flock of their own townspeople in the process of disarming. This will happen after local LEO's are deputized or whatever in an IPf/NPF (international/national police force) along with the guard and other military/federal entities.

I do not think blue helmets will be part of the uniform.

well whoever the fuck comes for them will wind up dead, i have enough guns to put them on the run
for a time

Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:30:06 PM EDT
"I was in Sierre Leone," British activist Anthea Lawson, a spokesperson for IANSA, told Newsmax. "How can I explain to people who have gone through incredible suffering because of small arms that NRA [National Rifle Association] concerns are blocking an international agreement that would make lots of people safer?"

The fallacy is that gun control will make people safer. It never has, it never will.

Gun control is a necessary step in perpetrating genocide. It is GOVERNMENTS run by despots that is the real danger to people. Governments have murdered many more people than criminals and terrorists could ever do.

The danger in the world come from the leaders of countries like North Korea, all of the Islamic countries, and most of the African countries. The danger comes from Socialism/Communism.

The UN wants to remove the ability of people to protect themselves from such despots.

Hell, the UN put Libya in charge of the Human Rights Commission.

Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:33:15 PM EDT
What beter way to take over the world than to disarm it first
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:33:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By johnrj:
anti-gun people are anti-American...look at the liberal agenda...everything they stand for is against what America stands for...
1. Taking away guns is merely taking away the ability for a nation to defend itself...since gun owners are most likely to stand up and fight for their country more than anyone else.
2. dumb down the education system so people react to emotion and are easily swayed to the herding instincts and not likely to think for themselves.
3. Use government money to pay for the welfare (comfort) needs and survival needs of the people so less people are motivated to be self-reliant
4. Encourage legal immigrants to maintain their own national identities instead of blending into the melting pot so there are less people who would actually fight for this nation .
5. Encourage and protect the illegals so there are unruly and uncontrollable masses to weaken the internal structure of the nation.
6. "play" with the drug war so citizens are addicted to something making them weaker and unable to resist.
7. encourage Abortion because that weakens the work force, reduces the population and desensitizes people to the value of life.
8. promote evolution...we are on the level of apes; just animals...encouraging behavior like animals.
9. get rid of religion...standards...moral law...= creating anarchy, chaos and confusion...something any unified force will be justified in suppressing.
10..encourage homosexuality and pornography...helps spread disease and addicts people to their passions...
Homosexuals, riotous college students, drug dealers and liberal press and professors have their place...they will be "used" to weaken a country or civilization BUT will be eliminated when their pervered thinking and behavior is no longer necessary. Hitler used them for a time...
Who exactly will fight "FOR" this country? that is who the war is against for now...



Well said! If it comes to this I think a lot of people would stand up for their freedom.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:38:01 PM EDT
shit, do we have a Civil War comeing up? And if so, when does it start? I needs ta' buy more ammo...
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:40:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AKLover_91:
shit, do we have a Civil War comeing up? And if so, when does it start? I needs ta' buy more ammo...



John Titor's calculations were wrong. With his interuption in the space time continuum he has set us back a few years.

Plan on 2008 for the poo to hit the fan



Link Posted: 1/22/2006 10:56:12 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:06:27 PM EDT
Yes, lets make guns illegal since making murder illegal isnt working. Gun grabbing libtards are so fuggin stupid. "Lets ban guns, then we will have peace because criminals obey gun laws."
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:08:54 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:19:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 11:20:14 PM EDT by MurdockTheCrazy]
Again?

I'd like to see the UN attempt overtaking our sovereignty. Really, I would.

The UN thinks the resistance in Iraq has been bad… that isn't jack shit, wait until they meet some pissed off Texans.

Hell, it'll be fun, I don't want to be the only guy on my block without a souvenir blue helmet.



But this is all bullshit anyway, we can all pack our wet dreams of the UN trying to take over up. They don't have the power, they're a bunch of has-been idiots who somehow still think they run the world. Not gonna happen, ever, the US Government could shut the UN down in four hours, less, if we're willing to use military force to do so.


But if it does happen... Looks like it's hunting season boys, no bag limit .
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:25:07 PM EDT
The UN wants my guns. Big deal...I want their heads on a stick, but that is as likely as their getting my guns.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:27:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MoparMike:
The UN wants my guns. Big deal...I want their heads on a stick, but that is as likely as their getting my guns.



Agreed.

There are many other things to worry about.

Statewide firearms bans. Those are the bans to worry about.

Any president that caves into the UN gun ban can kiss that parties ass goodbye.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:40:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 11:43:42 PM EDT by TheOtherDave]

Originally Posted By Specop_007:
The UN just wants to round up the guns Americans are too lazy to round up.........



Great! Let them come get mine.

Bullets first.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:54:21 PM EDT
It's vaguely amusing that more than half of the posts in the thread are completely bogus. It's also vaguely amusing that this article has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

All of you idiots with your rah-rah-rah look-at-me-im-patriotic BS are doing nothing but disguising the real issues. The UN has about as much chance of taking away your AR's right now as hell has of freezing over--twice. Now please, pay the fuck attention to the world around you. Get educated, or shut up.

Or wait, only liberals with their hippy public schools, hippy colleges, and hippy 'higher learning' [get it, 'high'er learning? haw haw] value education? Scratch that, then.. Fucking commies.. Fucking liberal bedwetters... I've got all the education I need in my 12 gauge right here... and the commie liberal panzy UN is about to get about all of the education i have to give!
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 12:05:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By aaronstaple:
It's vaguely amusing that more than half of the posts in the thread are completely bogus. It's also vaguely amusing that this article has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

All of you idiots with your rah-rah-rah look-at-me-im-patriotic BS are doing nothing but disguising the real issues. The UN has about as much chance of taking away your AR's right now as hell has of freezing over--twice. Now please, pay the fuck attention to the world around you. Get educated, or shut up.

Or wait, only liberals with their hippy public schools, hippy colleges, and hippy 'higher learning' [get it, 'high'er learning? haw haw] value education? Scratch that, then.. Fucking commies.. Fucking liberal bedwetters... I've got all the education I need in my 12 gauge right here... and the commie liberal panzy UN is about to get about all of the education i have to give!




Is there a point to your post, or was that just a big episode of tourettes syndrome?

Link Posted: 1/23/2006 12:07:28 AM EDT
Yawn! This is nothing but preaching to the choir. I did get some inspiration from this post. Maybe we should have an arfcom burn the UN flag day? Hmm, maybe this deserves it's own topic...
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 12:33:51 AM EDT

Originally Posted By aaronstaple:
It's vaguely amusing that more than half of the posts in the thread are completely bogus. It's also vaguely amusing that this article has nothing to do with the topic of this thread.

All of you idiots with your rah-rah-rah look-at-me-im-patriotic BS are doing nothing but disguising the real issues. The UN has about as much chance of taking away your AR's right now as hell has of freezing over--twice. Now please, pay the fuck attention to the world around you. Get educated, or shut up.

Or wait, only liberals with their hippy public schools, hippy colleges, and hippy 'higher learning' [get it, 'high'er learning? haw haw] value education? Scratch that, then.. Fucking commies.. Fucking liberal bedwetters... I've got all the education I need in my 12 gauge right here... and the commie liberal panzy UN is about to get about all of the education i have to give!



Yeah Dude,.... You sound like you are important to someone or something,....
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 3:35:29 AM EDT

UN WANTS CIVILIAN GUNS


And we give them John Bolton
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 3:46:10 AM EDT
Thankfully we have not yet reached a point of stupidity sufficient for the UN to begin confiscating weapons. A treaty that would do such a thing would have to get past the Senate, which isn't going to happen right now. Nor would it get past the USSC in its current soon to be Alito enhanced configuration.

The simple fact is that global gun control doesn't work any better than gun control in DC does. The international trade in weapons is as old as international trade itself is, and there is absolutely no way to stop the proliferation of small arms. There are untold billions that can be had in all sorts of nations. All one needs to do is go to Pakistan to find this out. In some of the more remote areas you can literally buy any darn thing you want, from pistols to RPGs from the tribesmen out there. You can find AK clones from all over the world and even HOME MADE AK's built with milsurp parts.

There is no way to put the small arms genie back in the bottle. Nor is there a way by regulating inanimate objects to stop human beings from killing each other en masse, as that is just the reality of life.

The only thing that is effective in stopping mass slaughter is to have the would be victims armed and prepared to defend themselves. That bit of reality, however, will never be recognized as fact by the libbie fantasy that is the UN.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 4:01:20 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 4:02:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
EO?



Huh??
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 4:21:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Ryan1021:
Yeah, it is American gun owners fault that retards around the world are killing each other with weapons from Eastern Bloc and Chinese/North Korean military arsenals.



I watched Lords of War last night, and had this EXACT same thought.

Great minds and all...


TXL
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 4:31:45 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/23/2006 4:38:59 AM EDT

Originally Posted By John_Wayne777:

Originally Posted By Sylvan:
EO?



Huh??




Executive Order...

That's why we can't import "evil" rifles. Bush Sr, gave an Executive Order, banned new imports in 1989, then that EO was made into law. Executive Order...the President making law without going though the legislative process. You should see some of them...down right tryannical. Have a personal stache of food in a national crisis and you are guilty of hording. You go to jail, for just having extra food.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 4:50:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 4:51:21 AM EDT by lippo]

Originally Posted By MurdockTheCrazy:
Again?

I'd like to see the UN attempt overtaking our sovereignty. Really, I would.

The UN thinks the resistance in Iraq has been bad… that isn't jack shit, wait until they meet some pissed off Texans.

Hell, it'll be fun, I don't want to be the only guy on my block without a souvenir blue helmet.



But this is all bullshit anyway, we can all pack our wet dreams of the UN trying to take over up. They don't have the power, they're a bunch of has-been idiots who somehow still think they run the world. Not gonna happen, ever, the US Government could shut the UN down in four hours, less, if we're willing to use military force to do so.


But if it does happen... Looks like it's hunting season boys, no bag limit .



And I give you the Kofi Annan military training center for training a UN army....first one and there will be many more. It says "peacekeeping", yeah, right.

Kofi Annan already said that he want's to get a UN force the size of a brigade to begin with. I had a thread in the Survival forum about this place.


www.kaiptc.org/kaiptc/

KOFI ANNAN INTERNATIONAL PEACEKEEPING TRAINING CENTRE (KAIPTC)


AIMS AND OBJECTIVES

AIM
To develop a Regional Centre of Excellence where education, training and research concerning peace operations are to be delivered to the highest academic and professional standards.

OBJECTIVES
The broad objectives of the Centre are:

· To provide mission oriented training at the operational level in Peace Operations for selected participants prior to deployment into areas of operation.
· To provide the operational focus that will link the basic tactical Peace Operations training provided at Koulikoro in La Mali under French sponsorship with the high level strategic training provided at the War College in Nigeria.
· To improve the ability of participants to operate in multinational environments and to cooperate with contingents from other countries.·
To keep participants abreast of the nature and complexities of contemporary inter- and intra-state conflicts.
· To conduct research into the various facets of peace operations.

Main Efforts 2004:

Phase 1
- Financial Resolution and Operating Efficiency Phase 2

-Integrated Infrastructure Development
-Manpower
-Internal Furnishings
-Specific and Limited IT Provision
-Technical Support
-Specific Communication Resources

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