Quoted: So.... are the Dems right on ANY issue

No, they're all to the left!  Ha ha ha..

Quoted: Quoted: civil liberties yeah, that mccain/feingold really is protecting our first amendment rights. Feingold is the biggest joke. He'll pose for holy pictures because he opposed the patriot act, but his name is on one of the most egregious assaults on the first amendment ever.

Feingold reversed himself on the AWB, and voted against it last time...something I can't say about my two Republican Ohio Senators...

Their failure lies in trying to make government, any level of government, provide more than water, sewer, pavements; and police, military, and fire protection.  Regulate interstate and international commerce and negotiate treaties and foreign policy.  Thats it!

Yes, they are sort of right about abortion.


Support: mandatory, punative, retroactive full-body abortion....for all liberals.  

'For the children'.




And, don't forget....

exterminate activists.

Quoted: Republicans are hypocritical when it comes to things like bankruptcy reform. They went after the middle class on it and didn't do a damned thing to corporations or banks. Then again, they get most of their money from corporations and banks...

Support for toughening bankruptcy rules was largely bipartisan.  The terms were dictatcted by big banks, who call teh shots regardless of which party is in power.

Sort of…

Democrats are often right about what’s screwed up in our society. They are always wrong about how to fix the problem.

That’s because Democrats have a really unrealistic view of nature and think the world can be made into a perfectly fair and just place. (Never mind that everyone has different ideas about what that means.) Therefore their solutions are equally unrealistic.

Conservatives know that most problems don’t have good solutions, and they are right. But, when you believe that, you tend to accept social problems as just another example of life not being fair and you don’t instinctively look for a solution. Liberals take this as a sign that Conservatives are heartless. Once again Liberals are wrong. Conservatives care every bit as much as they do, but Conservatives figure there’s not a lot of point in trying to fix things that can’t be fixed.

If a Liberal found a problem and (by random chance) came up with a good solution then Conservatives would adopt it instantly. The problem would be solved and there would be no issue. And that’s why Liberals are always wrong on every issue.

It’s too bad we can’t find a way to let Liberals decide what needs to be fixed and let Conservatives decide if the problem can be fixed and how to best fix it.

Libtertarians: Liberals who have seen the light but still want to smoke pot and vacuum baby brains.

Quoted: Legal alcohol has enormous social and medical costs associated with it because a small percentage of the population abuses it and then gets in cars. Legal MJ would see the exact same results.

<VPC>
legal guns have enormous social and medical costs associated with them because a small percentage of the population abuses them and murders people.
</VPC>

your line of thinking is the exact same as the goddamn gun grabbers.

Quoted: But the Democtars try to say that there is a Consititutional right to smoke dope.  There isn't.  Therefore, the states can regulate it as the majority of the citizens see fit.

yes, the states have that power.  i'm fine with that.  some states, such as alaska, montana, etc would probably choose not to regulate it very harshly.  however, the federal government does not have this power. the feds have the power to ban it's importation and it's trade across state lines.  they do not have the power to stop someone from growing it in their backyard for personal use or sale within the same state.

the raich decision was a travesty to freedom on many, many levels.  that woman tried so hard to make sure that no reasonable person could interpret her activities as affecting "interstate trade" that she even made sure her fertilizer and gardening tools were produced in-state.

Quoted: Quoted: I said marijuana, not PCP and Crack,  Anyway, anyone who doesnt think that marijuana is just as easy to get as liquor is sheltered. Marijuana is widely available, but it is still ILLEGAL. There are significant numbers of people who will not use Marijuana precisely because it is illegal. Removing that barrier WILL increase the useage of the drug, and problems associated with its use will also increase.

It wouldn't increase significantly, possession of marijuana in a quantity for personal use as long as your not breaking any other laws is usually not enforced.  I'm 25, not exactly to far away from my young dumb fun days.  Doctors and lawyers and other totally law abiding citizens smoke weed.  Yes it has some negative side effects but everyone in this country could smoke it and it still wouldn't cause a fraction of the problems that alcohol does.  Legalize it, tax it, and you'd make a killing.  So would Krispy Kreme, McDonalds, all the local gas stations, and any other place that sells beef jerky.  It's time we learn you don't ban something because someone MIGHT use it to do something they were gonna do anyway.  You'd figure as gun owners we'd understand that.

Right to Choose.
Decriminalization.
Some Environmental Aspects (but not kyoto).

Quoted: Right to kill innocent, unborn babies.

I hate it when people says this, but fixed it for you.

Posing a thread like this on a GUN-NUT's website is like going to NAACPforum.com and asking "do republicans do anything right???"  Also, keep in mind that the democrats aren't currently in power, so everything they do right now feels and comes off as reactionary and petty...the same way that the republicans may have been viewed years ago when democrats controlled the white house.

having said that, I find that I don't identify with either major party, but that's not saying I'm a "moderate" or "centrist."

In fact, I feel more like I'm strongly polarized toward either party depending on the issue.  With a few policies, I side with conservatism, but I strongly favor the democratic mindset on others.  I don't know how rare or unique that makes me--I doubt I'm alone.

What scares me the most are absolute statements that leave no room for a gray area, much less intelligent thought and reasoning.  Things like "they don't, never have, and never will do anything right" or "just do the opposite of what they say" is a frighteningly narrow mindset.  While it may be okay for the here and now, remember that political parties are run by politicians first and foremost, and that they morph over time.  Keep your mind open just a little?

Quoted: Posing a thread like this on a GUN-NUT's website is like going to NAACPforum.com and asking "do republicans do anything right???"  Also, keep in mind that the democrats aren't currently in power, so everything they do right now feels and comes off as reactionary and petty...the same way that the republicans may have been viewed years ago when democrats controlled the white house. having said that, I find that I don't identify with either major party, but that's not saying I'm a "moderate" or "centrist." In fact, I feel more like I'm strongly polarized toward either party depending on the issue.  With a few policies, I side with conservatism, but I strongly favor the democratic mindset on others.  I don't know how rare or unique that makes me--I doubt I'm alone. What scares me the most are absolute statements that leave no room for a gray area, much less intelligent thought and reasoning.  Things like "they don't, never have, and never will do anything right" or "just do the opposite of what they say" is a frighteningly narrow mindset.  While it may be okay for the here and now, remember that political parties are run by politicians first and foremost, and that they morph over time.  Keep your mind open just a little?

Do you actually READ this website, the debate does NOT pander to ONE SIDE
like the liberal websites(like the naacp)do, in fact MOST people here are MUCH
more open minded and willing to debate than MOST of the naacp..........bet me

you're crazy if you think this website isn't HEAVILY conservative

I'm not saying 100%, but HEAVILY for sure.

Quoted: you're crazy if you think this website isn't HEAVILY conservative I'm not saying 100%, but HEAVILY for sure.

If you are even throwing out the 100% number you are the one that is crazy

Republicans are correct about marijuana.

marijuana is mutagenetic, it causes mutations in the genetic code of the offspring of males who smoke too much dope.  

I had to work with these 'kids', sometimes many in a class when I taught high school.  I mentioned the mutagenetic thing to some of the classes, they did not believe it.....because then 'everyone' would be defective.  Well, in some classes almost everyone was.  

I have a close personal friend who had two offspring, out of two, with the marijuana defect.  Interestingly, he still braggs about how much dope he used to smoke.  

The marijuana defect is passed on from generation to generation unless there is a coupling with a non defective and then the offspring might not be defective.  The defect may not show up in all offspring and may show up to varying degrees.

Basically a person with the marijuana genetic defect cannot discriminate between inappropriate and appropriate behavior.  That will cause huge problems in the persons life.  

What I saw in the classroom was people who would not try to learn, chronically were off task and disrupted the class.  Often they could not even understand they were doing wrong.  Basically the marijuana causes many liberal behaviors.  It causes a population who probably has a gross IQ average of about 80 to perform academically as if there avg. IQ was about 65.

There personal lives and those with the defect and of their marijuana-defective parents reflect the problem.

A functioning democracy has to have a non-defective population with it's average IQ centered around 100.  The populations of inner city areas in many cities is both marijuana defective and of too low an average IQ to be part of a functional democracy.  Guess who they vote for?  democrats of course.

Because they reproduce at younger ages and have more offspring than the normal, traditional non-defective population of the remainder of the nation they will gradually become a majority and then we will have a nation that is more like columbia or liberia than America.

Thank marijuana advocates,  and welfare advocates.

Anyway, the Republicans are correct about marijuana.

Quoted: <snip>

Seriously, are the Democrats right about anything?

Not yet, but we can live in hope. Afterall, even a broken clock is right twice a day.

Quoted: Pot/medicinal marijuana? Republicans irritate me in their strident insistence to criminalize dope in my state. And.........well, personally, think abortion should be legal.  It's disgusting and I hate it, but driving it underground and criminalizing safely doing it bothers me. Also I think anti-death penalty people are right, mainly because of the prospect of wrongly executing the wrong person.  I would have no qualms if every death row convict could be guaranteed to be 100% guilty.

Funny, but during the '90s it was mostly South Western Republican governors who were pushing back on the drug war, and conservative magazines like National Review have been critical of the drug war. The two major parties are more or less equal on this issue.

With respect to abortion, at most the Republicans would return the decision to the states. California will still have all the abortions it wants, and frankly Roe v Wade was poor constitutional law in the first place.

And I'm all for the death penalty. We don't follow through with it enough.

Quoted: I had this discussion with a friend a while ago.  He's a pretty left wing guy - hates Bush Jr. like like Bush Sr. hates Brocolli.  However, I got him to admit that the Republicans are better on certain issues - RKBA, military and national defence (Not the War), and some others.  In response he asked me if I would admit that the Democrats are right about something.  I honestly tried, but I couldn't come up with anything.  I told him I would get back to him on it. So.... are the Dems right on ANY issue -K

arent they saying we need to seal the borders?  I'd agree with that.

Quoted: Their failure lies in trying to make government, any level of government, provide more than water, sewer, pavements; and police, military, and fire protection.  Regulate interstate and international commerce and negotiate treaties and foreign policy.  Thats it!

Where did you find that crap? The Constitution, you say?

"Quit waving the Constitution in my face...it's just a goddamned piece of paper!"

Not only are dems never right they never ever tell the truth.  Without lies there would be no dem party.

Quoted: Quoted: I had this discussion with a friend a while ago.  He's a pretty left wing guy - hates Bush Jr. like like Bush Sr. hates Brocolli.  However, I got him to admit that the Republicans are better on certain issues - RKBA, military and national defence (Not the War), and some others.  In response he asked me if I would admit that the Democrats are right about something.  I honestly tried, but I couldn't come up with anything.  I told him I would get back to him on it. So.... are the Dems right on ANY issue -K arent they saying we need to seal the borders?  I'd agree with that.

If it weren't for the damn socialists we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.  Once the country filled with enough Mexicans to become a swing vote block then the Republicans started pandering to them. I don't agree with it but it is what it is.
Hell, as it is now I'll bet plenty of illegals even are voting, again thanks to socialist bullshit laws.

The socialists might be giving the border lip service now but I will absolutely guarantee they do NOTHING about it once they get back in power.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: civil liberties yeah, that mccain/feingold really is protecting our first amendment rights. Feingold is the biggest joke. He'll pose for holy pictures because he opposed the patriot act, but his name is on one of the most egregious assaults on the first amendment ever. Feingold reversed himself on the AWB, and voted against it last time...something I can't say about my two Republican Ohio Senators...

Yes, he did.
And he is the first democrat I can remember voting for. He is smart and a decent guy. If he keeps his paws off my guns I will probably keep voting for him.

Now if we could get rid of Kohl and Doyle, I would be ecstatic.

Show me a state or city totally run by the Dems that is a thriving utopian paradise of a) racial harmony b) booming industry and low unemployment c) wonderful, high achieving schools d) low teen/premarital pregnancy (thanks to all that sex-ed and free condoms/contraception you know) and finally is a place that the rest of the US is scrabbling to get into.

There are the big cities - LA, NY...on each coast, but they are largely polarized into racial ghettos, crime ridden, huge underclasses of illegals, low performing schools, falling apart sectors of economy propped up by massive federal spending (DoD, HUD, HHS, etc) or some unique facility like a major port, tourism...

The other big cities or states that come to mind.... New Orleans: totally run by the Democratic party for 40 years, totally run by the majority group (blacks) in Louisiana - a Democratic stronghold for generations.... Cincinatti, Detroit, Chicago also come to mind.... as does Washington DC itself, Baltimore, Philadelphia...

Huge state/local governments, vast sums of federal dollars, enourmous beaucracies....friendly Media, Unions, you name it. They run the whole sheebang.

But where's the utopia? Even when they're totally in control they need to blame other races or socioeconomic classes for THEIR FAILURE. It's marxist in denial and a false reading of reality.

When ever and where ever THEY totally run the show.... they run the city or state into the ground all while the Media praises them to the skies, runs puff pieces continually, gushes with the glowing adjectives and subtle cues as to what great people they are, how wonderful their intentions, how wonderful the weather is, the economy is booming, people happy, children laughing, old folk smiling, cats and dogs playing with each other.

But the reality beneath the agit-prop is bleak. Drive through Detroit sometime... its desolate. Whose fault? They've run the show for generations!

Quoted: your line of thinking is the exact same as the goddamn gun grabbers.

No, my line of thinking is reasonable given that posessing a firearm does not alter your mental state and that using a drug like MJ DOES.

Quoted: Posing a thread like this on a GUN-NUT's website is like going to NAACPforum.com and asking "do republicans do anything right???"  Also, keep in mind that the democrats aren't currently in power, so everything they do right now feels and comes off as reactionary and petty...the same way that the republicans may have been viewed years ago when democrats controlled the white house.

There is no such thing.

You had me all excited for a minute. I know I can get banned there quicker than any of you guys at DuH.





You had me going!

Quoted: Quoted: your line of thinking is the exact same as the goddamn gun grabbers. No, my line of thinking is reasonable given that posessing a firearm does not alter your mental state and that using a drug like MJ DOES.

democrats would have you believe that owning a firearm turns you into a psycho killer and danger to society.

conservative republicans would have you believe that using cannabis turns you into a lazy, unmotivated, unemployed bum.

both are lying.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The marijuana thing.  Like it or not, there is not justification for keeping it illegal when alcohol kills 6 times more people than all illegal drugs combined. Perhaps the reason that alcohol kills so many is because........It is legal? And that if we had readily available legal PCP and Crack, that we might see an increase in deaths associated with those drugs too? Just a thought. A dumb thought.  Aspirin overdoses kill hundreds of people a year.  How many people die from cannabis a year? None. Yet which is legal and a child can buy, and which is illegal?  Alcohol and aspirin are toxic in large doses, cannabis isn't.   Illegalizing alcohol didn't change its toxicity, if anything, the illegal nature made its consumption more dangerous (bad QC in its manufacture).

You haven't been paying much attention lately have you?

ETA:  Yeah, I should have read further before posting.  JohnWayne777 has pretty much beat this one into the ground.  Well done BTW.

-K

Republicans are correct about marijuana. marijuana is mutagenetic, it causes mutations in the genetic code of the offspring of males who smoke too much dope.

I believe the majority of medical marijuana users tend to be on the side of age that would generally preclude them from procreation. I will leave such decisions in the hands of the medical community who know a hell of a lot more about the medical effects of MJ than I do. The medical advisors in my state, and several others, all agree that there is a place for medical MJ, and I think the current position of Federal agencies raiding state-licensed farms is ridiculous. Maybe they should send the National Guard out to guard the facilities against Federal raids. That could be amusing.

NTM

Republicans are right about fiscal issues(or are supposed to be, not deficit spending like it's going out of style), and Dems are right about social laws(drugs, gay marriage, what's your business doesn't matter as long as your not harming anyone else)  Now if there were only a party that had all the good and none of the bad . . . Oh wait!  Libertarians!

Liberals are good for fucking...there are some damn hot young liberals on most college campuses...

Quoted: Quoted: NAACPforum.com There is no such thing. You had me all excited for a minute. I know I can get banned there quicker than any of you guys at DuH. You had me going!

ha!  sorry...I was just trying to come up with something non-existent, but feasible

I think that the pot/abortion issue they are right on, and that's about it.  My main reason for marajuana should be legal is this:  We spend so much $ on fighting a war against something that isn't as bad as alcohol (it's not physically addictive).  And abortion...well...that falls under the "a womans right to choose."  I don't necessarily agree with having an abortion, but I do believe that a woman has the right to do as she feels is right in that situation.

Quoted: So.... are the Dems right on ANY issue

No they are not.

Most of the Republicans are to far to the Left (wrong) for my views.

BigDozer66

Quoted: The medical advisors in my state, and several others, all agree that there is a place for medical MJ, and I think the current position of Federal agencies raiding state-licensed farms is ridiculous. Maybe they should send the National Guard out to guard the facilities against Federal raids. That could be amusing. NTM

They are much more skilled at propaganda, but as far as being "right"  I really can't think of a thing.

Conservatives follow conventional wisdom, which is almost always correct.  

That is, the accumulated wisdom of western thought over hundreds of years is pretty much correct, and conservatives, aka Republicans own it.

To feel superior, smarter, brighter, better, liberals aka democrats have to believe things that are much the opposite of conventional wisdom.  Since conventional wisdom is almost always right, and conservatives own it, liberals will be, by default, almost always wrong.  Wrong is all that is left for the left to own.  When they babble obviously untrue things they appear foolish and stupid...and effectively they are both stupid and foolish....no matter what their gross intelligence is.  (Stupid is as stupid does.)

Dumb by choice, if not by birth.      (Yes Virginia, this is some major phychosis.)


The wise man has the power
to believe what he sees.....................................................to believe the truth.

The fool has the power
to reason away what seems to be...................................to believe the obviously false.

eichmann-schumer is a stellar example of the fool who reasons away what is true and believes what is false.  Interestingly, he is effectively so dammed dumb that he never sees himself as he is.  Dumber still, he probably thinks of himself as smart.

eichmann-schumer is said to have scored a perfect score on the SAT.  If he took the test 'cold' then it would be an indicator of very high gross intelligence.  If he 'prepared' for the SAT then his score means little.  In any case, his being dumb and foolish by choice is inexcuseable.  By trying to implement his insane ideas he IS a sociopath.  he is the moral equivalent of aids.  

(Lower case used where appropriate.)

Quoted: Show me a state or city totally run by the Dems that is a thriving utopian paradise of a) racial harmony b) booming industry and low unemployment c) wonderful, high achieving schools d) low teen/premarital pregnancy (thanks to all that sex-ed and free condoms/contraception you know) and finally is a place that the rest of the US is scrabbling to get into. There are the big cities - LA, NY...on each coast, but they are largely polarized into racial ghettos, crime ridden, huge underclasses of illegals, low performing schools, falling apart sectors of economy propped up by massive federal spending (DoD, HUD, HHS, etc) or some unique facility like a major port, tourism... The other big cities or states that come to mind.... New Orleans: totally run by the Democratic party for 40 years, totally run by the majority group (blacks) in Louisiana - a Democratic stronghold for generations.... Cincinatti, Detroit, Chicago also come to mind.... as does Washington DC itself, Baltimore, Philadelphia... Huge state/local governments, vast sums of federal dollars, enourmous beaucracies....friendly Media, Unions, you name it. They run the whole sheebang. But where's the utopia? Even when they're totally in control they need to blame other races or socioeconomic classes for THEIR FAILURE. It's marxist in denial and a false reading of reality. When ever and where ever THEY totally run the show.... they run the city or state into the ground all while the Media praises them to the skies, runs puff pieces continually, gushes with the glowing adjectives and subtle cues as to what great people they are, how wonderful their intentions, how wonderful the weather is, the economy is booming, people happy, children laughing, old folk smiling, cats and dogs playing with each other. But the reality beneath the agit-prop is bleak. Drive through Detroit sometime... its desolate. Whose fault? They've run the show for generations!

Yeah, good point, the proof is in the pudding and that liberal democrat pudding tastes like shit