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Posted: 1/22/2006 4:52:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 5:11:34 PM EDT by BeetleBailey]
Many of you might remember my recent escapades with our idiot neighbors whose dogs get loose occasionally and terrorize the neighborhood
example 1
example 2

Well, this morning the dog was out and in our front yard again growling and barking at us as were were trying to leave for church, so after escorting my wife to her car and telling her to go on ahead of me, I went back inside and called the police.

Cop arrives with me standing outside keeping watch with my Louisville Slugger, and I explain the situation, that I've finally had it, and what should I do. The neighbors aren't there (as usual) to be spoken with about it (for the fifth time), so the officer decides to come back when they are around - but until then, he escorts me to my truck which is between our house and theirs.

The cop goes ahead of me slowly and I follow at a distance since the dog has now moved back over to their yard close to my truck, so I can't see the dog but I can see the cop. He begins moving slower and then he quickly draws down on the dog, all the while I'm thinking "oh snap, this is about to get interesting". The dog decides to run off at that point, and I get into my truck.

The cop comes over and tells me, "That dog just almost got shot". I asked him "if that dog comes at me and I shoot it, is that going to be ok?" He responded- "absolutely, you've just got to do what you've got to do - just be sure of what's behind your target".

Needless to say after I left I came to the realization that tolerance is over. Whether or not the idiots get the message now after the police talk to them is immaterial. If that dog responds like that to me or my wife again, it will be time for self defense of the terminal kind.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 4:54:30 PM EDT
I hate to see dogs get shot, but you gotta do what you gotta do. Apparently the neighbors need it more than the dogs but you can't do it, legally.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:00:05 PM EDT
You are a much more patient man than I am my friend. Shooting a dog is no small thing to me, but there is no contest when it comes between choosing to shoot a dog, or put my family's life in danger. The last time I had an incident with dogs threatening my family, the dogs ran away after a warning shot across the bow to the lead male.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:01:53 PM EDT
I hate to see pets get killed. I hate it for everybody involved but especially for kids.

BUT,

I will be damned if I am going to worry about getting bit by some jackass neighbors dog while I am in my own yard.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:03:25 PM EDT
Mace or pepper spray the damn thing. If that doesn't work, extreme prejudice
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:05:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By alaman:
Mace or pepper spray the damn thing. If that doesn't work, extreme prejudice



+1 on the less than lethal

Come on, its not the dogs fault, its the owners fault.

Can't blame a dog for being a dog!
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:07:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:

Originally Posted By alaman:
Mace or pepper spray the damn thing. If that doesn't work, extreme prejudice



+1 on the less than lethal

Come on, its not the dogs fault, its the owners fault.

Can't blame a dog for being a dog!



for being in MY yard snapping at my wife?
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:09:25 PM EDT
In the interim... print these out and get some range time in.

Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:11:57 PM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:14:43 PM EDT
If you've repeated run into these incidents, filed reports with the police department, had them come out on more than one occaision, been told by the LEO that it was OK to shoot, then the next time that thing charged me or my wife ... BANG. I'd make every effort to resolve the problem w/o resorting to having to shoot the dog because if you do, you can bet you'll be in for a rough ride at least for the short term.

Either your neighbor fixes the problem or YOU fix the problem. Can't animal control come out and resolve this issue w/o you having to shoot the thing though?

GOOD LUCK!
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:15:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 5:28:18 PM EDT by Hellhound]
If you gotta shoot it, make sure you have the right caliber/bullet to do the job quickly.

Got a .45 auto?



ETA: Or a shottie....
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:23:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 5:23:31 PM EDT by LANCEMAN]

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:

Originally Posted By alaman:
Mace or pepper spray the damn thing. If that doesn't work, extreme prejudice



+1 on the less than lethal

Come on, its not the dogs fault, its the owners fault.

Can't blame a dog for being a dog!



Damn dog apologists

Dogs are no different than people, there will be friendly ones and aggressive ones. You say it's the owners fault, well that is no different than having a human being threatening you in your yard and saying "well I should take into consideration it is their parents fault". Who gives a shit what made them that way, deal with the threat at hand effectively the first time and then you won't have to deal with it anymore. In this case he now has an LEO witness to the aggressive behavior of this dog so if he has to defend himself, it now has a documented history (probably already did before anyway).

Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:26:37 PM EDT
Be sure to lawyer up if you shoot it...
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:28:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Hellhound:
If you gotta shoot it, make sure you have the right caliber/bullet to do the job quickly.

Got a .45 auto?



I'm thinking .223, but inevitably it would likely be my CCW 9x18.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:31:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BeetleBailey:

Originally Posted By Hellhound:
If you gotta shoot it, make sure you have the right caliber/bullet to do the job quickly.

Got a .45 auto?



I'm thinking .223, but inevitably it would likely be my CCW 9x18.




Multiple head shots then.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:37:13 PM EDT
12 gauge extra full turkey choke, with 3 1/2" #2/3/4 turkey load within 30 yards would work.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:38:14 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/22/2006 5:39:12 PM EDT by freemanesq]
Shoot, Shovel, & Shut up.

If they're not home, shoot the dog. Put it in a tarp (so you don't get blood on your car) and go dump it somewhere.

If they ask later, you say the dog must have run off.

If they say their other neighbor saw you shoot the dog, tell them you were training to be an ATF agent - and they'd better not mess with you.

R.

Edit for spelling.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:40:48 PM EDT
it's not a chihuaha or poodle is it?
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:43:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl:
it's not a chihuaha or poodle is it?



That's what my wife asked after I told her about this thread. "This dog weighs more than 10 pounds, right?"

R.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:45:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:46:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl:
it's not a chihuaha or poodle is it?



God, that would be hard to live down.

I'd have to gues that the cop was being a smartass at that point, as well....

Of course, I wouldn't want to get attacked by a herd of these:

Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:49:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl:
it's not a chihuaha or poodle is it?



no, medium-sized mutt. Big enough for the teeth to reach the bone
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 5:52:28 PM EDT
I agree with you in principle but methinks you are going overboard with technique. Poison the damn thing. That way you draw no attention, put no neighbors at risk, have no potential confrontation with the idiots who own it, and have complete plausable deniability, and deny a lawyer a sizeable income. I havent met a dog yet that could resist chicken livers. KFC anyone?
I

rk
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 6:02:49 PM EDT
Make sure you contact a lawyer first. In the end I think you would regret shooting. Lots of time in court and lots of money thrown out the window. Putting up a fence in your yard would be cheaper. Your neighbor will want pay back. I know I would.

Link Posted: 1/22/2006 6:08:09 PM EDT
Its true!

I heard the beast tonight and it was all I coud do to keep from grabbing my FAL and hosing down suppressing the area with .308

No .223 could comfort me in the face of such a horror.

Just think what might have happened if I had seen it!

Link Posted: 1/22/2006 6:08:12 PM EDT
Pepper spray the shit out of the dog and hopefully some of it will make its way to the owners.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 6:10:05 PM EDT
I had almost the same situation but with a pack of dogs at a time. They hurt my dog that was tied up at the time and they came at me and my wife on several occasions. The Sherriff told me to kill them all if they come at me again. It's legal. Being legal however wont protect you from a civil suit. You will have to hope for a fair minded, sympathetic judge.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 6:11:04 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 6:20:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Rock7:
Make sure you contact a lawyer first. In the end I think you would regret shooting. Lots of time in court and lots of money thrown out the window. Putting up a fence in your yard would be cheaper. Your neighbor will want pay back. I know I would.




sad to say, but it's obvious your neighbor is a moron anyway. Hope you don't mind having a moron with a serious grudge living next to you.

+1 for the pepper spray, that pooch will not come within 30 feet of you after you nail him in the face with OC...

EPOCH
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 6:25:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl:
it's not a chihuaha or poodle is it?



Hey, if there's a pack of 'em they're like piranha...........
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 6:37:27 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 8:13:54 AM EDT by RiffRandall]
<eta> Whoops.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 6:38:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 8:13:28 AM EDT by RiffRandall]
<eta> Whoops #2
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 6:45:39 PM EDT
woah, triple tap.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 8:40:21 PM EDT
Hell, you said it was medium sized so let him latch onto a leg or your weak arm and then shoot his ass. That should pretty much cover your ass right there. Then the neighbors will have to worry about you suing them.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:12:56 AM EDT

I think the pepper spray is a good idea, I just don't want to have to wait around on the opportunity to get him next time, all the while my wife, and the little kids across the road, might get attacked while I'm not there. As bad as it may sound, I'd really rather just neutralize the threat and not have to worry about it ever again.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:28:09 AM EDT
laxatives in his food. that will learn him

Link Posted: 1/23/2006 5:56:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cruze5:
laxatives in his food. that will learn him




Well, the Nyquil didn't work :(
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 6:22:42 AM EDT


No witness,no crime!!!
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 6:31:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:

Originally Posted By alaman:
Mace or pepper spray the damn thing. If that doesn't work, extreme prejudice



+1 on the less than lethal

Come on, its not the dogs fault, its the owners fault.

Can't blame a dog for being a dog!



Damn dog apologists

Dogs are no different than people, there will be friendly ones and aggressive ones. You say it's the owners fault, well that is no different than having a human being threatening you in your yard and saying "well I should take into consideration it is their parents fault". Who gives a shit what made them that way, deal with the threat at hand effectively the first time and then you won't have to deal with it anymore. In this case he now has an LEO witness to the aggressive behavior of this dog so if he has to defend himself, it now has a documented history (probably already did before anyway).





A BIG +1 there
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 6:57:52 AM EDT
.22 rifle + standard velocity ammo (or suppressor) + head shot. Quiet is key. Dispose of the dog before the owners return home. "Haven't seen your dog, dont know where it went. Must've ran away."

Link Posted: 1/23/2006 6:58:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By One_Slayer:
tallbill.com/pictures/albums/userpics/10014/normal_100-0002_IMG_7.JPG

No witness,no crime!!!



a local funshop has one of those. I want one.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:09:53 AM EDT
goodnight, little doggy...
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:50:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 7:56:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 7:57:26 AM EDT by BeetleBailey]

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
JMHO, but having been through the same issue 1000 times out here......

shoot the damn dog.

The dog has shown to be aggressive.
the neighbors have shown NO interest in controling it.
Pepper spray WON'T solve the problem.
Make sure the cops write up a report EVERY time you call them and if possible get copies. you WILL need to prove the history of problems WHEN they sue you.

Is the dog a lethal threat to YOU. likely not. it is however a lethal threat to your wife, your neighbors families and any kids in the immediate area. Pepper spray may or may not stop the animal for that instance. If it doesn't you just pissed him off. It will not keep it from attacking weaker prey next time. Shooting it WILL. Don't make it suffer, put it down quick.



Well, the dog was back in the pen this morning when I left for work, meaning someone must have came by when we were away all evening last night. Honest question - what round would be best for dropping this dog? I'm thinking .22LR to head from my lever-action, due to reduced sound, or would a 9mm "pop" be less likely to draw the whole neighborhood's attention?

Also, is it possible to get a report written for a prior incident where you had to call the police?
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:37:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BeetleBailey:
Well, the dog was back in the pen this morning when I left for work, meaning someone must have came by when we were away all evening last night. Honest question - what round would be best for dropping this dog? I'm thinking .22LR to head from my lever-action, due to reduced sound, or would a 9mm "pop" be less likely to draw the whole neighborhood's attention?

Also, is it possible to get a report written for a prior incident where you had to call the police?



I've only shot a few regular dogs in my life (lawfully), two with a .45, two with a 9mm and one with a .22. I would say the .45 is far more humane since a .22 to the head can go wrong pretty easily. A .45 to "center mass" dispatches one very quickly and a 9mm to the head is effective.

The problem with a .22 to the head as you are considering is that it makes it look premeditated and planned out. In your best interest I would advise you to make the incident look as spur of the moment as possible like just walking to your truck and you have to pull your carry piece to defend yourself. That looks better than carrying a rifle outside everyday with the INTENTION of shooting the dog at maybe a greater distance. The closer the dog is to you the more believable the self defense angle will be, you know it would be the right thing to do but you have to think how somebody reading the report on a pice of paper in going to interpret it.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:43:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/23/2006 8:46:24 AM EDT by BeetleBailey]

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:

I've only shot a few regular dogs in my life (lawfully), two with a .45, two with a 9mm and one with a .22. I would say the .45 is far more humane since a .22 to the head can go wrong pretty easily. A .45 to "center mass" dispatches one very quickly and a 9mm to the head is effective.

The problem with a .22 to the head as you are considering is that it makes it look premeditated and planned out. In your best interest I would advise you to make the incident look as spur of the moment as possible like just walking to your truck and you have to pull your carry piece to defend yourself. That looks better than carrying a rifle outside everyday with the INTENTION of shooting the dog at maybe a greater distance. The closer the dog is to you the more believable the self defense angle will be, you know it would be the right thing to do but you have to think how somebody reading the report on a pice of paper in going to interpret it.



very true. I guess if a problem with it did arise, it would be hard to explain the long gun.
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:49:16 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:50:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LoginName:
In the interim... print these out and get some range time in.


http://home.comcast.net/~bfd750/dog.JPG



It looks like that dog ate a seal at one point...
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:50:57 AM EDT
Shooting the dog is like getting mad at the people at the drive-thru at Burger King: it's pointless because they are too stupid to know any better.

Dogs like to run away and bark at people. That's what they like to do-they are naturally born that way. Drawing down at the pwners is a much more effective solution, IMO. They are the ones who are supposed to know better.

Blaming the dog for being in your yard is like blaming guns, for causing crime, don't you think?
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:51:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/23/2006 8:55:03 AM EDT
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