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Posted: 1/20/2006 3:38:24 PM EDT
I just finished reading the cover story in this month's SWAT, which was titled "Patrol Rifles: Alternatives to the AR-15". It convinced me that there are several equally effective weapons out there that police cnuse as partol rifles without having to have an AR-15. The police could easily get by with pump action shotguns, lever action 30-30's and maybe a bolt action deer rifle here and there. Why does a police officer really need to have a semi-automatic killing machine with high capacity magazines when he's on duty?
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:39:33 PM EDT
they dont need them. in fact I am in favor of giving them nothing more than recurve bows
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:41:05 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:42:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
they dont need them. in fact I am in favor of giving them nothing more than blunt pointy sticks




Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:42:59 PM EDT
owned
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:44:50 PM EDT
The police shouldn't have guns period. Violence only begets more violence. If the police members would just talk to criminals, and explain why they need to spend the next 20 years of their life dodging anal rape in the shower, I'm sure we could reach an accomodation with the criminals. Plus, if police have guns they're more likely to be taken away and used against them, or stolen from their homes and sold on the black market.

Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:47:01 PM EDT
Uhm...I can name a few times a reliable, lightweight, accurate rifle in an intermediate caliber would come in very handy. Any time when dealing with an armed, dangeous assailant. If I knew I was going to a gunfight, I'd take a rifle, and I wouldn't take any substitutes. Rifles are for fighting, and handguns are for fighting your way to a rifle. The shootout in CA at that bank where those two guys were clad in body armor and armed with illegal FA AK's, they were stopped by ar-15 rifles "borrowed" from a gun store. Now, please tell me why a patrol car shouldn't be able to stop someone who is wearing body armor? Shottys and hanguns don't and won't penetrate body armor, rifles will.

Oh, and if you think that AR-15 is a semi-auto killing machine, then you need to find yourself another forum to go about hating on people that risk their lives for you (at least the ones doing a good job...don't discredit them becasue of a few bad ones).

Also, ask yourself, if you knew you were going to be in a gunfight, what would you bring? A cute n cuddly teddy bear to try to make the BG happy, or would you bring the most devistating weapon that you could?
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:47:22 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:47:24 PM EDT
They should only be aloud to have squirt guns full of tabasco sauce!
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:47:32 PM EDT
alternatives to AR?

Thugs just need hugs!!

ok maybe a M1A1 308 shortie
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:48:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fla556guy:
Uhm...I can name a few times a reliable, lightweight, accurate rifle in an intermediate caliber would come in very handy. Any time when dealing with an armed, dangeous assailant. If I knew I was going to a gunfight, I'd take a rifle, and I wouldn't take any substitutes. Rifles are for fighting, and handguns are for fighting your way to a rifle. The shootout in CA at that bank where those two guys were clad in body armor and armed with illegal FA AK's, they were stopped by ar-15 rifles "borrowed" from a gun store. Now, please tell me why a patrol car shouldn't be able to stop someone who is wearing body armor? Shottys and hanguns don't and won't penetrate body armor, rifles will.

Oh, and if you think that AR-15 is a semi-auto killing machine, then you need to find yourself another forum to go about hating on people that risk their lives for you (at least the ones doing a good job...don't discredit them becasue of a few bad ones).

Also, ask yourself, if you knew you were going to be in a gunfight, what would you bring? A cute n cuddly teddy bear to try to make the BG happy, or would you bring the most devistating weapon that you could?



hook
line
and
sinker
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:49:37 PM EDT
They shoot themselves with their own pistols. Imagine what damage they could do with an AUTOMATIC WEAPON. Officer Bill shows up and entire neighborhoods evacuate.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:49:42 PM EDT
Thank God that the police didn't have Ar15's
at the onset of the North Hollywood shootout.
It might have ended right away.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:51:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By wes15a2:
Thank God that the police didn't have Ar15's
at the onset of the North Hollywood shootout.
It might have ended right away.



if they had lever action .30-30s or bolt action .30-06 rifles they would have "ended it the right way" just as easily.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:51:19 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:52:25 PM EDT
You could have a stick that was blunt on one end and pointy on the other... aka "a spear."
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:53:44 PM EDT
Ban them for the sake of puppies everywhere.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:53:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/20/2006 3:54:32 PM EDT by happycynic]

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By wes15a2:
Thank God that the police didn't have Ar15's
at the onset of the North Hollywood shootout.
It might have ended right away.



if they had lever action .30-30s or bolt action .30-06 rifles they would have "ended it the right way" just as easily.



No. Those are too dangerous as well because they can penetrate bulletproof vests. They could mistake Sean Puffy P. Diddly Diddy Combs for a common criminal and shoot right through his body armor with their assault manually operated weapons, therefore depriving us of his lyrical genius.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:54:38 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:54:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By happycynic:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By wes15a2:
Thank God that the police didn't have Ar15's
at the onset of the North Hollywood shootout.
It might have ended right away.



if they had lever action .30-30s or bolt action .30-06 rifles they would have "ended it the right way" just as easily.



No. Those are too dangerous as well because they can penetrate bulletproof vests. They could mistake Sean Puffy P. Diddly Diddy for a common criminal and shoot right through his body armor with their assault manually operated weapons, therefore depriving us of his lyrical genius.



I wouldnt worry too much, most cops are crappy shots anyway
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:54:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Why does a police officer really need to have a semi-automatic killing machine with high capacity magazines when he's on duty?



DUDE !!!!!!!!!!

Might as well take their high capacity killing machine semi auto pistols too !!!
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:56:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/20/2006 3:56:58 PM EDT by red65]

Originally Posted By fla556guy:
Uhm...I can name a few times a reliable, lightweight, accurate rifle in an intermediate caliber would come in very handy. Any time when dealing with an armed, dangeous assailant. If I knew I was going to a gunfight, I'd take a rifle, and I wouldn't take any substitutes. Rifles are for fighting, and handguns are for fighting your way to a rifle. The shootout in CA at that bank where those two guys were clad in body armor and armed with illegal FA AK's, they were stopped by ar-15 rifles "borrowed" from a gun store. Now, please tell me why a patrol car shouldn't be able to stop someone who is wearing body armor? Shottys and hanguns don't and won't penetrate body armor, rifles will.

Oh, and if you think that AR-15 is a semi-auto killing machine, then you need to find yourself another forum to go about hating on being disrespectful to people that risk their lives for you (at least the ones doing a good job...don't discredit them becasue of a few bad ones).

Also, ask yourself, if you knew you were going to be in a gunfight, what would you bring? A cute n cuddly teddy bear to try to make the BG happy, or would you bring the most devistating weapon that you could?




fixed it for you.

good point, a rifle is superior to a handgun for fighting in general.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:56:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By happycynic:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By wes15a2:
Thank God that the police didn't have Ar15's
at the onset of the North Hollywood shootout.
It might have ended right away.



if they had lever action .30-30s or bolt action .30-06 rifles they would have "ended it the right way" just as easily.



No. Those are too dangerous as well because they can penetrate bulletproof vests. They could mistake Sean Puffy P. Diddly Diddy for a common criminal and shoot right through his body armor with their assault manually operated weapons, therefore depriving us of his lyrical genius.



I wouldnt worry too much, most cops are crappy shots anyway



But that just means they'll kill innocent bystanders like Snoopy Doggity Dog and Fiddy Cent. I'm especially worried about Snoop, Cops seem to be able to hit dogs.

Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:57:22 PM EDT
I prefer to throw rocks when I'm on duty. I have a super tactical RBV (rock bearing vest) that's just full of pouches that I can fill with 250 grain BTHP stones. I've really been practicing and I'm down to around 10 MOA at 50 yards!!!!!!

I usually don't even bring a gun to work anymore.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:57:44 PM EDT
those poor doggies
imagine the over penetration
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 3:59:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
those poor doggies
imagine the over penetration



Yep, one shot could theoretically kill both Snoppy Doggity Dog and Nate Dawg. Imagine the pain this would cause Warren G.

Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:03:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fla556guy:
Uhm...I can name a few times a reliable, lightweight, accurate rifle in an intermediate caliber would come in very handy. Any time when dealing with an armed, dangeous assailant. If I knew I was going to a gunfight, I'd take a rifle, and I wouldn't take any substitutes. Rifles are for fighting, and handguns are for fighting your way to a rifle. The shootout in CA at that bank where those two guys were clad in body armor and armed with illegal FA AK's, they were stopped by ar-15 rifles "borrowed" from a gun store. Now, please tell me why a patrol car shouldn't be able to stop someone who is wearing body armor? Shottys and hanguns don't and won't penetrate body armor, rifles will.

Oh, and if you think that AR-15 is a semi-auto killing machine, then you need to find yourself another forum to go about hating on people that risk their lives for you (at least the ones doing a good job...don't discredit them becasue of a few bad ones).

Also, ask yourself, if you knew you were going to be in a gunfight, what would you bring? A cute n cuddly teddy bear to try to make the BG happy, or would you bring the most devistating weapon that you could?



Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:04:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Astrogoth:
They shoot themselves with their own pistols. Imagine what damage they could do with an AUTOMATIC WEAPON. Officer Bill shows up and entire neighborhoods evacuate.



Like that one video with about fifteen cops firing over a hundred rounds at a motionless vehicle with a drunk inside and hitting everything including themselves and several houses? And not even killing the guy they were shooting at?
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:04:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:
Originally Posted By wes15a2:
Thank God that the police didn't have Ar15's
at the onset of the North Hollywood shootout.
It might have ended right away.



if they had lever action .30-30s or bolt action .30-06 rifles they would have "ended it the right way" just as easily.[/quote

This is true.
Going up against FA-armed suspects with
a manually operated firearm is a little too
suicidal for my tastes. And I do recoginze the
ironic twist this thread as assumed.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:06:32 PM EDT
Why do the cops need to be issued AR-15s when they can go rob any gunstore and take what they need at will?
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:06:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Norge1956:

Originally Posted By motown_steve:

Why does a police officer really need to have a semi-automatic killing machine with high capacity magazines when he's on duty?



DUDE !!!!!!!!!!

Might as well take their high capacity killing machine semi auto pistols too !!!



Now we're makin' some progress here!

Lever action Winchesters and maybe Colt revolvers. That's all that John Wayne ever needed.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:07:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/20/2006 4:10:04 PM EDT by 7KOPPER]
Read the article too. Happy with my AR. I'm still puzzled how/why people think this way. Never heard of a cop dumping a 30 round mag, never.

edit to add...don't need an AR to be a "killing machine"!


Originally Posted By motown_steve:
I just finished reading the cover story in this month's SWAT, which was titled "Patrol Rifles: Alternatives to the AR-15". It convinced me that there are several equally effective weapons out there that police cnuse as partol rifles without having to have an AR-15. The police could easily get by with pump action shotguns, lever action 30-30's and maybe a bolt action deer rifle here and there. Why does a police officer really need to have a semi-automatic killing machine with high capacity magazines when he's on duty?

Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:14:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/20/2006 4:15:06 PM EDT by falaholic1]
Why do cops need cars? What was wrong with horses?

Remember when a dime bag cost a dime, and a meat wagon was actually a WAGON?
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:15:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By wes15a2:
Thank God that the police didn't have Ar15's
at the onset of the North Hollywood shootout.
It might have ended right away.



if they had lever action .30-30s or bolt action .30-06 rifles they would have "ended it the right way" just as easily.



Yeah cause you can file the sears down on those guns and make them machineguns.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:17:49 PM EDT
I just turned mt car in. Bought myself a shetland pony for vehicle pursuits. Gets much better gas mileage and I don't have to worry about the media hounding me about driving through playgrounds at 237 MPH chasing people who aren't wearing a seatbelt. My throat is kinda sore from making siren noises though, anyone know how to make a pony scream?
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:19:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By phylodog:
I just turned mt car in. Bought myself a shetland pony for vehicle pursuits. Gets much better gas mileage and I don't have to worry about the media hounding me about driving through playgrounds at 237 MPH chasing people who aren't wearing a seatbelt. My throat is kinda sore from making siren noises though, anyone know how to make a pony scream?



get a cat and swing it by its tail, just be sure to get a declawed model
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:24:29 PM EDT
Damn!!!! Why didn't I think of that.


I'll be back...I think the humane society is still open
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:27:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By phylodog:
Damn!!!! Why didn't I think of that.


I'll be back...I think the humane society is still open



dont you have neighbors? hold someone's dog at spearpoint and make them find a cat
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:29:35 PM EDT
Seriously why wouldnt a Storm Carbine work for patrol work?

Same mags as a lot of departments and probably cheaper than a AR.

Would also force beretta to make mag well sleaves for other hand gun's mags...HK, Glock etc
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:30:24 PM EDT
Are you joking?!?!?! I'm a JBT for cryin out loud!!!! You think I haven't shot all of the dogs in my neighborhood already?
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:37:20 PM EDT


Stop it already!!!!
My gut hurts!!!!

Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:40:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By fla556guy:
Uhm...I can name a few times a reliable, lightweight, accurate rifle in an intermediate caliber would come in very handy. Any time when dealing with an armed, dangeous assailant. If I knew I was going to a gunfight, I'd take a rifle, and I wouldn't take any substitutes. Rifles are for fighting, and handguns are for fighting your way to a rifle. The shootout in CA at that bank where those two guys were clad in body armor and armed with illegal FA AK's, they were stopped by ar-15 rifles "borrowed" from a gun store. Now, please tell me why a patrol car shouldn't be able to stop someone who is wearing body armor? Shottys and hanguns don't and won't penetrate body armor, rifles will.

Oh, and if you think that AR-15 is a semi-auto killing machine, then you need to find yourself another forum to go about hating on people that risk their lives for you (at least the ones doing a good job...don't discredit them becasue of a few bad ones).

Also, ask yourself, if you knew you were going to be in a gunfight, what would you bring? A cute n cuddly teddy bear to try to make the BG happy, or would you bring the most devistating weapon that you could?



You're new here, aren't you?
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:40:15 PM EDT
They certainly don't need select-fire though. Seems a lot of regular police officers are getting select-fire M4s, and that's totally ridiculous.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:42:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By happycynic:
The police shouldn't have guns period. Violence only begets more violence. If the police members would just talk to criminals, and explain why they need to spend the next 20 years of their life dodging anal rape in the shower, I'm sure we could reach an accomodation with the criminals. Plus, if police have guns they're more likely to be taken away and used against them, or stolen from their homes and sold on the black market.




LOL
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:47:20 PM EDT
Cops don't need AR-15's.

<­BR>

These day's the need AR-10's!!
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:47:33 PM EDT
knock it off you guy are KILLING me!!!!



Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:52:10 PM EDT
THE SARCASM IS THICK. God I hope the poster of this thread was tryin to be sarcastic. "VEST Punchers "are gonna be needed from now on in police work.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:53:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1IV:
THE SARCASM IS THICK. God I hope the poster of this thread was tryin to be sarcastic. "VEST Punchers "are gonna be needed from now on in police work.



or maybe cops should just learn to shoot
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 4:55:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1IV:
THE SARCASM IS THICK. God I hope the poster of this thread was tryin to be sarcastic. "VEST Punchers "are gonna be needed from now on in police work.



Yes absolutely
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 5:00:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By 1IV:
THE SARCASM IS THICK. God I hope the poster of this thread was tryin to be sarcastic. "VEST Punchers "are gonna be needed from now on in police work.



or maybe cops should just learn to shoot



Or develop a sense of humor while reading this thread. Sheesh.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 5:06:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By 1IV:
THE SARCASM IS THICK. God I hope the poster of this thread was tryin to be sarcastic. "VEST Punchers "are gonna be needed from now on in police work.



or maybe cops should just learn to shoot



Or develop a sense of humor while reading this thread. Sheesh.



[Luke Skywalker] You ask the impossible. [/Luke Skywalker]
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