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Posted: 1/19/2006 10:11:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/19/2006 10:11:21 PM EDT by 22bad]
I'm glad he cleared that up, I thought the mexican military attacking US Citizens\LEOs was cause for concern

Chertoff: Reports of Mexican military on U.S. soil overblown
01-19-2006
www.team4news.com/Global/story.asp?S=4382048&nav=0w0v
SAN DIEGO Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff says reports of Mexican soldiers frequently crossing onto U-S soil are overblown.

Chertoff told reporters in Washington yesterday that many incursions are innocent mistakes.

He added that some members of the Mexican army or police have abandoned their jobs and crossed into the United States to do -- in his words -- "something illegal."

Also, the secretary says some criminals who have stepped across the border are dressed as soldiers but don't belong to the military.

Chertoff says the department tracks about 20 incursions by the Mexican military every year. But he says to suggest a deliberate effort by Mexican authorities to step onto U-S soil would be -- in his words -- "to traffic in scare tactics."
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The Inland Valley Daily Bulletin of Ontario, California, reported the Border Patrol's El Centro sector, which covers southeastern California, recorded the most incursions since 1996 with 58. Tucson followed with 39, then came El Paso with 33 and McAllen with 28. Del Rio recorded just three incidents.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 10:27:03 PM EDT
Would it be legal to use military Rules of Engagement as governed by the UCMJ and the Laws of Land Warfare against interlopers who are or who appear to be members of a foreign military?

Basically, could you legally fire from ambush and kill any of them who are not wounded and docile? Does US law address the matter?
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 10:29:21 PM EDT
Chertoff is a fucking apologist for those that want this country invaded and subverted.

He was/is one of those calling the idea of a wall "too expensive" when anyone with even a BASIC grasp of the facts and figures can see that a few billion for sealing the border is a drop in the bucket compared with the tens of billions being sucked out this country every year and the additional billions each year it's costing citizens to support these invaders both directly and indirectly.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 10:30:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/19/2006 10:31:05 PM EDT by 22bad]

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Would it be legal to use military Rules of Engagement as governed by the UCMJ and the Laws of Land Warfare against interlopers who are or who appear to be members of a foreign military?

Basically, could you legally fire from ambush and kill any of them who are not wounded and docile? Does US law address the matter?



You can't shoot someone that the head of homeland security has stated is only making an innocent mistake


Chertoff told reporters in Washington yesterday that many incursions are innocent mistakes.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 1:34:50 AM EDT
One Marine.

One Rifle.

300 rounds of ammo.

One ACOG.

One bayonet.

One humvee.

Fifty gallons water.

Twelve MREs.

Map from San Antonio to Mexico City.

End of problem.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 10:03:23 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/20/2006 10:04:02 PM EDT by 22bad]
Now we'll get some action................the last line talks about amnesty "normalizing" illegals immigrants "residents"

Reps want probe
Dreier, Hunter ask for investigation of border incursions
By Sara A. Carter, Staff Writer
1-21-06
www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3419224
Two California congressmen have formally asked for an investigation into reports that Mexican military have crossed into the United States more than 200 times in the past 10 years.
Citing a story first reported Sunday by the Daily Bulletin, Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-San Diego, and Rep. David Dreier, R-Glendora, on Thursday asked the House Judiciary Committee, Department of Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, the House Homeland Security Committee and the House International Relations Committee to investigate the incursions, which came to light in a President's Office of National Drug Control Policy map and document given to the newspaper.

Requests by Dreier, chairman of the House Rules Committee, and Hunter were made in jointly signed letters.

"There are reports that Mexican military personnel, or those posing as Mexican military personnel, are illegally crossing the southern border into the United States," said Dreier and Hunter in a letter to Chertoff.

"Given the critical importance of border and national security, we respectfully request that you provide the documents reported by the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin, explain how these incidents occur, and outline DHS' current policies to address these illegal crossings and your strategy for preventing similar acts in the future," the letter stated. On Sunday, the Daily Bulletin first reported the details of a Department of Homeland Security, Customs and U.S. Border Protection document that showed 216 incursions since 1996 and a 2001 map detailing the incursions along the southern border.

On Wednesday, Chertoff played down the reports that outlined hundreds of border incursions by the Mexican military. He suggested many of the incursions could have been mistakes, blaming bad navigation of military personnel or criminals dressed as military personnel.

Mexican officials denied Wednesday any incursions made by their military.

But border agents interviewed over the past year have discussed confrontations with persons they believe to be Mexican military personnel.

"We never cross into Mexico accidentally, and we don't even have GPS tracking systems like their military," said an agent who spoke under condition of anonymity. "Our men have had to face off with them on our side of the border. We know the difference between the military and a criminal. We know the difference between a military vehicle and a regular car."

Even police officials along the southern border have had armed showdowns with Mexican military personnel assisting drug cartels.

On Nov. 17, agents from the Fort Hancock border patrol station in Texas called the Hudspeth County Sheriff's Department for backup after confronting more than six fully armed men, dressed in Mexican military uniforms with military vehicles trying to bring more than 3 tons of marijuana across the Rio Grande river, said Chief Deputy Mike Doyal with the Sheriff's Department.

"My men were in an armed standoff with them," Doyal said on Thursday. "Of course I'm concerned for my deputies and the border agents. I have talked to others who have seen Mexican military personnel help guard the loads of marijuana or whatever else they're trafficking across the Rio Grande."

Dreier called the incursions "horrifying" and said an investigation is needed to ensure that the borders have not become a national security concern.

"We write to request that your committee investigate the Department of Homeland Security's ability to prevent Mexican military personnel, or those posing as Mexican military personnel from illegally crossing the United States' southern border," said Dreier and Hunter in a letter to Rep. James Sensenbrenner, chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. "We respectfully request that you hold a hearing in your committee on this serious problem." Hunter, chairman of the House Armed Services Committee, said that completion of border fencing along the southern border's most porous areas is necessary to stop the illegal crossings of drug smugglers and those who aid them.

"Border fencing, like the 14 miles I have worked to build in San Diego, will not only prevent the Mexican military from crossing our border, whether it is knowingly or mistakenly, but also marginalize the likelihood of incidents," Hunter said on Thursday.

"If the Mexican military attributes these incidents to being lost or bad directions, then we need to make the exact location of the border clear to them."

The Border Protection, Antiterrorism, and Illegal Control Act of 2005, also known as the Sensenbrenner Bill, passed the House on Dec. 16. The bill would require the incorporation of border fencing at five strategic locations along our nation's southern border with Mexico.

The bill requires 22 miles of fencing along the Tecate border; 361 miles of fencing from Calexico to Douglas, Ariz.; 88 miles from Columbus, N.M. to El Paso, Texas; 51 miles from Del Rio to Eagle Pass, Texas; and 176 miles of fencing from Laredo to Brownsville, Texas.

The Senate will present its own version of the bill in late January. The Senate's bill is expected to include a program to normalize undocumented residents and another that supports a guest worker plan, which has White House backing.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 10:29:27 PM EDT
To say that the reports are overblown or exaggerated is bullshit!!! In a link to story I posted earlier this week it was reported that there were over 24 incursions in the Yuma area alone!!!

See story here:sun.yumasun.com/artman/publish/articles/story_21752.php

Chertoff is full of shit, and is minimizing the problem, probably at Bush's order, lord knows he has had ample time to do something about the border (as promised) and refused to do so.

I believe the people on the front lines. To minimize the problem is a crime!!! In my not so humble opinion!!.....
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 10:30:40 PM EDT
Chertoff is a skeleton-faced turd
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 10:56:42 PM EDT
war on drugs+war on terror=open southern border?
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 11:11:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/20/2006 11:12:12 PM EDT by 2A373]

Originally Posted By MurdockTheCrazy:
One Marine.

One Rifle.

300 rounds of ammo.

One ACOG.

One bayonet.

One humvee.

Fifty gallons water.

Twelve MREs.

Map from San Antonio to Mexico City.

End of problem.



He is going to need some diesel fuel too.

2A373, TSgt, USAF
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 11:13:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/20/2006 11:13:47 PM EDT by LonePathfinder]
Calling Chuck Norris.

Invasion USA part 2 is happeneing.

We have your pair of UZI's ready.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 11:15:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 2A373:

Originally Posted By MurdockTheCrazy:
One Marine.

One Rifle.

300 rounds of ammo.

One ACOG.

One bayonet.

One humvee.

Fifty gallons water.

Twelve MREs.

Map from San Antonio to Mexico City.

End of problem.



He is going to need some diesel fuel too.

2A373, TSgt, USAF



I'm sure the mexican military will have brought some that they won't need anymore
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 11:17:25 PM EDT
Chertoff should change his name to Jerkoff. That would seem to fit better.

INNCENT MISTAKES MY ASS!
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 11:17:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LonePathfinder:
Calling Chuck Norris.

Invasion USA part 2 is happeneing.

We have your pair of UZI's ready.



I wonder what the legal penalty for defending your country from foreign military incursion would be?
(for anyone but CHUCK, of course)
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 11:25:05 PM EDT
There area large number of accidental crossing that occur. There are also a large number of our border patrol agents accidentally crossing (and sometimes making arrests) on Mexican soil. It happens both ways.

There are also a lot of intentional crossing/escorts of illegal and dope.

And there are crossings by drug smugglers dressed as Mexican mil.

He is right, but downplaying it.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 11:29:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AZ-K9:
There area large number of accidental crossing that occur. There are also a large number of our border patrol agents accidentally crossing (and sometimes making arrests) on Mexican soil. It happens both ways.

There are also a lot of intentional crossing/escorts of illegal and dope.

And there are crossings by drug smugglers dressed as Mexican mil.

He is right, but downplaying it.



Thanks for adding to the list of reasons to................

BUILD THE DAMN WALL ALREADY
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