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Posted: 1/19/2006 4:30:44 PM EDT
Two paragraphs at the end are political, but whatever - I kinda liked it. It had a good point: lying and cocaine are bad.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:34:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/19/2006 4:34:43 PM EDT by 89grand]
I want to see it myself. I missed it at the movies.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:36:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
...lying and cocaine are bad.



Don't be so quick to judge!
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:38:52 PM EDT
I bought the DVD, just haven't watched it yet.

I figure if the movie nazis hate it, it will be pretty good.

Some people forget that it IS fiction...
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:43:07 PM EDT
Great for pointing out the virtues of unimpeeded Capitolism but it is a anti-gun trash piece plain and simple.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:43:29 PM EDT
It is actually an entertaining movie. I think Nicolas Cage is one of the worst actors on earth but he can occasionally make a funny. When they made the movie, they wanted to show the ease with which americans can buy and sell guns to the world. To do that, they went to Slovakia and bought thousands of dollars in illegal guns from the military or something of the sort.

This is another "anti" movie. It is based on the theory that an arms broker who came to power and wealth under the Clinton era is supporting the killing of innocents because the republicans let him.

I like the beginning. They show an inline 12 cylinder diesel generator making bullets. I am vague as to how that works. These dumb fucks are totally lost.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:43:42 PM EDT
I didn't find it so much anti-gun as I found it boring. I could've cared less whether he got busted or got away - normally you're supposed to develop some kind of feelings for the main character. I didn't expect it to be an action movie, but the previews led me to believe it would at least be witty; but no, all the witty lines were in the previews. Not as much gun porn as I expected, and not nearly enough Bridget Moynahan.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:45:36 PM EDT
Well I'm sure the film is probably pretty entertaining -- I even have it in my netflix queue -- but the director is an avowed anti-gun activist.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:46:10 PM EDT
The best part of that movie was when he was watching a man shoot a full auto AK47 and the movie shot slows down and every time the 47 fired you don't hear a bang you just hear the cha-CHING of a cash register.

I laughed my ass off.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:48:34 PM EDT
I didnt see it as that anti gun. Very slow in parts but entertaining none the less.

At least it wasnt about two gay gun dealers or a transvestite gun dealer.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:50:24 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:50:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/19/2006 4:52:09 PM EDT by AKLover_91]
I didn't find it antigun. I quite liked it. It was, however, anti selling guns to crazy terrorists, dictators, and similar; which, sorry, but I agree with.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:55:01 PM EDT
I thought it was a good movie
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:57:18 PM EDT
yopu're talking to the guys who sit there and try to figure out the gun bias of movies, as if that was the most important thing in watching and enjoying movies. Some people on here didn't like King Kong over a precieved anti-gun bias in that movie.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 4:58:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/19/2006 4:59:04 PM EDT by Silesius]
Entertaining movie.

Anti-gun highlights:

1) Mini-Uzi is somehow quieter than other guns. In fact, you can shoot a man with a mini-Uzi and no one in the next room would hear it.

2) The U.S. military leaves all of its guns in large heaps in foreign countries because the cost of shipping them is more than buying new ones.

3) Guns are sold by the pound in some cases.

4) Glocks can go through airport metal detectors.

5) There are more gun stores in the U.S. than there are McDonald's.

6) The U.S. is the root of all evil and the chief weapons supplier and cause of mayhem to the world.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 5:06:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Silesius:
Entertaining movie.

Anti-gun highlights:

1) Mini-Uzi is somehow quieter than other guns. In fact, you can shoot a man with a mini-Uzi and no one in the next room would hear it.
He was selling them with a supressor.
2) The U.S. military leaves all of its guns in large heaps in foreign countries because the cost of shipping them is more than buying new ones.
If you watched, he was bribeing an Officer to get those guns to sell.
3) Guns are sold by the pound in some cases.
Why not? He's selling bulk.
4) Glocks can go through airport metal detectors.
He was being sarcastic right about there.
5) There are more gun stores in the U.S. than there are McDonald's.
Sarcasm.
6) The U.S. is the root of all evil and the chief weapons supplier and cause of mayhem to the world. Like it or not, we do sell alot of guns to alot of bad people, so does every other major country

And I missed the part where it stated we were the cause of myhem in the world...
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 5:09:46 PM EDT
I didn't find it anti-gun.....I found it anti-dictatorship.....and pro-capitolism......It was a very good movie in m y opinion.

GhostCat
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 5:11:02 PM EDT
I might have to watch it just for the humor factor.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 5:14:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GhostCat:
I didn't find it anti-gun.....I found it anti-dictatorship.....and pro-capitolism......It was a very good movie in m y opinion.

GhostCat

exactly
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 5:26:09 PM EDT
Just watched it about a hour and a half ago.

It was mostly about the messed up world we live in, and a guy that sells guns,
takes avantage of that fact.

It really was a "guns don't kill people, fucked up warlords and people do"

They had machette scenes that brought that fact home.

GM
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 5:30:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Silesius:
Entertaining movie.

Anti-gun highlights:

1) Mini-Uzi is somehow quieter than other guns. In fact, you can shoot a man with a mini-Uzi and no one in the next room would hear it.

2) The U.S. military leaves all of its guns in large heaps in foreign countries because the cost of shipping them is more than buying new ones.

3) Guns are sold by the pound in some cases.

4) Glocks can go through airport metal detectors.

5) There are more gun stores in the U.S. than there are McDonald's.

6) The U.S. is the root of all evil and the chief weapons supplier and cause of mayhem to the world.



It definitely tried to be anti-gun for all the reasons you listed above and more. However, at the end of the day every character EXCEPT for Cage's character was such a one-dimensional asshat that you ended up sympathizing with the gun runner. Seriously, who are we supposed to sympathize with? The Gold digger wife? The obsessive cop? The coke head brother? The crazy Liberians? It kinda ends up being pro-gun by default.

Link Posted: 1/19/2006 5:34:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Silesius:
There are more gun stores in the U.S. than there are McDonald's.



Probably true. My town has one McDonald's and definitely more than one gun shop.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 5:37:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AKLover_91:

Originally Posted By Silesius:
Entertaining movie.

Anti-gun highlights:

1) Mini-Uzi is somehow quieter than other guns. In fact, you can shoot a man with a mini-Uzi and no one in the next room would hear it.
He was selling them with a supressor.
2) The U.S. military leaves all of its guns in large heaps in foreign countries because the cost of shipping them is more than buying new ones.
If you watched, he was bribeing an Officer to get those guns to sell.
3) Guns are sold by the pound in some cases.
Why not? He's selling bulk.
4) Glocks can go through airport metal detectors.
He was being sarcastic right about there.
5) There are more gun stores in the U.S. than there are McDonald's.
Sarcasm.
6) The U.S. is the root of all evil and the chief weapons supplier and cause of mayhem to the world. Like it or not, we do sell alot of guns to alot of bad people, so does every other major country

And I missed the part where it stated we were the cause of myhem in the world...



sub·text (n.) The implicit meaning or theme of a literary text.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 5:47:12 PM EDT
What was the cheapest price on the DVD and where?
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 5:54:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/19/2006 5:54:52 PM EDT by Followthehollow]
It wasn't horrible. I didn't think it was very good either.
I also learned something new on the extras disc. the m16 is 7.62 caliber, and is a gas driven open bolt design. oh and weighs something like 10 kilos.

Thats in the weapons of the trade extra, I shit you not.
Link Posted: 1/19/2006 5:59:23 PM EDT
There was only one part that I HATED. Where the AK failed to fire twice - WHAT UTTER ANTI-GUN BULLSHIT IS THAT!

heheheh

like I said: coacaine bad, lying worse. Good messages from a decent movie.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 6:15:02 AM EDT
I watched it 2 nights ago. I liked it. I didn't find it anti gun at all.

The one thing I didn't like was that the beginning was full of more holes than Swiss cheese. The movie never explains how the guy went from selling his first Uzi to all of a sudden walking around Beirut negotiating arms deals. You see him at the arms bazaar one day, getting shot down because he's out of his league, and the next frame again he's in terrorist land.

I just didn't get that. I would have liked to see a progression of how he got to that point.

you don't just walk into Beirut and start making arms deals.

ya know what I mean?


Link Posted: 1/20/2006 6:16:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By daisywench:
I watched it 2 nights ago. I liked it. I didn't find it anti gun at all.

The one thing I didn't like was that the beginning was full of more holes than Swiss cheese. The movie never explains how the guy went from selling his first Uzi to all of a sudden walking around Beirut negotiating arms deals. You see him at the arms bazaar one day, getting shot down because he's out of his league, and the next frame again he's in terrorist land.

I just didn't get that. I would have liked to see a progression of how he got to that point.

you don't just walk into Beirut and start making arms deals.

ya know what I mean?





+ abillion. My little sistere can get and sell two uzis in brooklyn.

They failed to link how he got form nothing at the berlin arms show to having enough cash to fit in a suitcase for his uncle and the army folks in Europe.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 6:23:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
I didnt see it as that anti gun. Very slow in parts but entertaining none the less.

At least it wasnt about two gay gun dealers or a transvestite gun dealer.





BigDozer66
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 6:26:00 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cobra-ak:
What was the cheapest price on the DVD and where?



Wal-Mart usually has that weeks new releases for 13.99 or 14.99. Less than the cost of you and a date to the movie!
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 6:27:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By chapperjoe:
There was only one part that I HATED. Where the AK failed to fire twice - WHAT UTTER ANTI-GUN BULLSHIT IS THAT!

heheheh

like I said: coacaine bad, lying worse. Good messages from a decent movie.



We all know AK's never fail to fire!

We also know that the "Pre/Non AW Ban" models are a heck of a lot more deadly than the AW ban models!

BigDozer66
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 6:27:30 AM EDT
Good movie other than Cages' wife sold him out, and his weak younger brother was a pussy.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 6:34:08 AM EDT



all the negative "hype" was because the director/writer (don't remember who exactly) was interviewed about the movie.

he stated in that interview before the release, that that movie was specifically "to show the damaging world-wide effects of the american cow-boy and american gun culture".

based on that i'd say, yes, it's definately meant to be anti-gun.


Link Posted: 1/20/2006 6:37:41 AM EDT

all the negative "hype" was because the director/writer (don't remember who exactly) was interviewed about the movie.

he stated in that interview before the release, that that movie was specifically "to show the damaging world-wide effects of the american cow-boy and american gun culture".



+1

The original quoted interview is somewhere in the movie forum from when the movie originally came out in theatres.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 7:08:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
I didnt see it as that anti gun. Very slow in parts but entertaining none the less.





"Hated it!"



At least it wasnt about two gay gun dealers or a transvestite gun dealer.


"Good golly, Miss Molly! Ooh, we'd looooove to see that one! Well, just load my banana clip, and call me a bullet hose! Two snaps up, in a circle!"

Link Posted: 1/20/2006 7:13:57 AM EDT
I liked it. Its a fucking movie, and it was entertaining.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 8:48:57 PM EDT
i want a gold krink
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 9:00:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/20/2006 9:02:43 PM EDT by www-glock19-com]

Originally Posted By happycynic:

Seriously, who are we supposed to sympathize with? The Gold digger wife? The obsessive cop? The coke head brother? The crazy Liberians? It kinda ends up being pro-gun by default.




pretty much everyone is some shade of bad
I like the movie
the bullet view at the begining was intresting , and probably destined for straight to video action movie cliche'
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 9:04:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By amk5222:

Originally Posted By cobra-ak:
What was the cheapest price on the DVD and where?



Wal-Mart usually has that weeks new releases for 13.99 or 14.99. Less than the cost of you and a date to the movie!

Absolutely correct! Sam's had it about $22, Circuit city had it about $24, even Wallyworld in the new release section had it marked at $22, then on my way to check out they had em in cardboard boxes marked at $16.58 WTF, wierd as shit
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 9:11:53 PM EDT
Cocaine and gun powder, thats one hell of a mix, I enjoyed it, just seeing all those AK's was a turn on for me. Those two sexy chicks man o' man. I watched the making of the movie, they bought all those ak's, 3000 of them because it was cheaper to just buy real ones then it was to have dummies made up, if you watch the making of the movie at the very end the director admitted that the movie may seem left wing bias, but his excuse was that even under the Clinton admin. that gun trafficing was the same. Oh and i wish ammo came packed loose like in the opening of the movie, I hate opening all those dame 20 round boxes.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 9:32:15 PM EDT
what i think is funny is the web site, it has a small film to see where the ammo is made for 7.62x39 and it actually shows 7.62x54r being made.... sothat just shows the dumb bastards dont give a shit about accuracy of the film just gettign there point across that every bullet made goes kills some one. thats what pisses me off.
Link Posted: 1/20/2006 9:37:31 PM EDT
Did anyone view the "extra features"?


Anti-gun?
Fred Schumer and Barbera Boxter wrote it....



Wake the fuck up!

Look at the whole presentation.

(I simply can't believe no one else gets this stuff.)



And to preempt the first fool... a 10.6 Kg M-16 with a 200 round belt?
Puuullllleeessseee.
Link Posted: 1/21/2006 6:37:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By FedGunner:
Did anyone view the "extra features"?


Anti-gun?
Fred Schumer and Barbra Boxter wrote it....



Wake the fuck up!

Look at the whole presentation.

(I simply can't believe no one else gets this stuff.)



And to preempt the first fool... a 10.6 Kg M-16 with a 200 round belt?
Puuullllleeessseee.



I could of sworn it was a 100 round belt.

Where can i get a belt fed M16 in .308?
Link Posted: 1/21/2006 1:10:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cobra-ak:

Originally Posted By amk5222:

Originally Posted By cobra-ak:
What was the cheapest price on the DVD and where?



Wal-Mart usually has that weeks new releases for 13.99 or 14.99. Less than the cost of you and a date to the movie!

Absolutely correct! Sam's had it about $22, Circuit city had it about $24, even Wallyworld in the new release section had it marked at $22, then on my way to check out they had em in cardboard boxes marked at $16.58 WTF, wierd as shit



It is out in two versions, a one disc bare bones version, and a two disc version with commentary and extras....thats probably why the two prices.

I watched it last night....shit made me want to become an international arms dealer...

I liked it...there was some anti-gun overtones, especially the last text...but like I said, all the guns gave me a hard on....the cheerleader chicks, and his presents from Baptiste weren't bad either!
Link Posted: 1/21/2006 3:02:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bullyforyou:


all the negative "hype" was because the director/writer (don't remember who exactly) was interviewed about the movie.

he stated in that interview before the release, that that movie was specifically "to show the damaging world-wide effects of the american cow-boy and american gun culture".

based on that i'd say, yes, it's definately meant to be anti-gun.




I said this on page one. Nobody pays attention and simply posts without reading the other comments.

"Oh I didn't see any anti gun bias in the movie at all!" Well of course not you twit -- everybody's beef was about the director's stated agenda, not with the film itself.
Link Posted: 1/21/2006 3:42:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pzjgr:

Originally Posted By cobra-ak:

Originally Posted By amk5222:

Originally Posted By cobra-ak:
What was the cheapest price on the DVD and where?



Wal-Mart usually has that weeks new releases for 13.99 or 14.99. Less than the cost of you and a date to the movie!

Absolutely correct! Sam's had it about $22, Circuit city had it about $24, even Wallyworld in the new release section had it marked at $22, then on my way to check out they had em in cardboard boxes marked at $16.58 WTF, wierd as shit



It is out in two versions, a one disc bare bones version, and a two disc version with commentary and extras....thats probably why the two prices.

I watched it last night....shit made me want to become an international arms dealer...

I liked it...there was some anti-gun overtones, especially the last text...but like I said, all the guns gave me a hard on....the cheerleader chicks, and his presents from Baptiste weren't bad either!



I didn't think it as anti-gun at all. I believe that what the film does do is present the fact that international arms dealing is in fact a serious problem, and that the UN Security council members no less are the ones doing the majority of selling to unstable regions. I love firearms, and I do not see how it is "anti-gun" to be against selling guns to people you know will be using them to commit genocide against unarmed civilians; if they want to kill eachother, fine, but I don't think it is appropriate for the US and other first world countries to be involved in dealing firearms to these people.
Link Posted: 1/21/2006 5:08:04 PM EDT
I watched it to be entertained. I wasn't.
Link Posted: 1/21/2006 5:31:23 PM EDT
Think it probably got blasted because it's got Nick Cage in it. He's got some talent let me tell ya.... Almost as good of an actor as Keanu Reeves.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:47:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pzjgr:

Originally Posted By cobra-ak:

Originally Posted By amk5222:

Originally Posted By cobra-ak:
What was the cheapest price on the DVD and where?



Wal-Mart usually has that weeks new releases for 13.99 or 14.99. Less than the cost of you and a date to the movie!

Absolutely correct! Sam's had it about $22, Circuit city had it about $24, even Wallyworld in the new release section had it marked at $22, then on my way to check out they had em in cardboard boxes marked at $16.58 WTF, wierd as shit



It is out in two versions, a one disc bare bones version, and a two disc version with commentary and extras....thats probably why the two prices.

I watched it last night....shit made me want to become an international arms dealer...

I liked it...there was some anti-gun overtones, especially the last text...but like I said, all the guns gave me a hard on....the cheerleader chicks, and his presents from Baptiste weren't bad either!

I got the 2 disc set for $16.58, cheaper than the 2 disc set at Sam's WTF
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 11:56:19 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Followthehollow:
It wasn't horrible. I didn't think it was very good either.
I also learned something new on the extras disc. the m16 is 7.62 caliber, and is a gas driven open bolt design. oh and weighs something like 10 kilos.

Thats in the weapons of the trade extra, I shit you not.



Don't forget about the "Australian" made Glock. I guess Foster's isn't all we get from down under.
Link Posted: 1/22/2006 12:11:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 04hemi:
Think it probably got blasted because it's got Nick Cage in it. He's got some talent let me tell ya.... Almost as good of an actor as Keanu Reeves.





Ouch!

That's like what Dorothy Parker said about Katharine Hepburn's (cough) vaunted acting ability, "Her emotions run the gamut from A to B".....
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