Quoted: Would you vote for him again?

I'd take eight more years of Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld over five minutes of John Dean, John Kerry or Hillary Clinton.

Quoted: Quoted: I guess it beats actually having a legitimate respose the problems I'm talking about. What's your solution?

If we can spend billions of dollars to send our military over to Iraq and any other shit bag country, we can put our military on our own fucking border first. This could be stopped almost instantly if every pussy politician wasn't affraid of actually upsetting certain groups.

The Democrats want the illegal aliens to be able to vote so they don't give a shit about illegal immigration and the Republicans want cheap labor for higher profits for the rich business owner while the rest of have to pay the price for these pieces of illegal shit. The Republicans also want the Hispanic vote. The only thing is, they're too stupid to realize that most Hispanic U.S. citizens want these illegal invaders out of here as well. They're both willing to sell out our country on this matter and Bush is as bad as any Democrat would be as far as illegal immigration. At least there are some Republicans that do care, no Democrats do.

What is it about our country being invaded that does not bother some of you people?

OUR COUNTRY IS BEING INVADED AS WE SPEAK, WHAT COULD POSSIBLY BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THAT!

The middle east is our second most important problem, not the ONLY problem.

Employer fines plummet for hiring illegals


By: WILLIAM FINN BENNETT - Staff Writer

Since 1998, the federal government has fined just four companies in San Diego County and none in Riverside County for hiring illegal immigrants ---- and those statistics seem to paint a very different picture than the one recently described by Undersecretary of Homeland Security Asa Hutchinson.

At an Aug. 13 town-hall meeting on illegal immigration held in Temecula, Hutchinson touted the more than 500 investigations of companies the federal government has recently conducted nationwide. Of those, 179 were in Southern California, he said.

And while a U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman said last week that the number of investigations has increased since 2001, he acknowledged the number of fines has dropped dramatically in that same period.

Numbers plummet

Federal records show that in 2001, 141 companies across the country were hit with fines, 15 of them in California. By 2002, those numbers had dropped to 73 and one, respectively. In 2003, 15 companies in the United States were fined ---- none of which were in California. And as of May, just one company ---- in Maryland ---- was fined this year.

In Southern California, the numbers are even smaller. Thirteen companies received fines for violations of immigration laws in 2001 ---- and only two since.

In this region, not a single Riverside County company has been fined in the past decade. In San Diego County, just four companies have received fines since 1998 ---- one each in Chula Vista, San Diego, Santee and Vista.

A member of the recently formed Temecula-based Citizens Alliance for a Strong America said last week that when it comes to employer sanctions, the federal government's performance is "disgraceful."

"Somebody needs to get fired for that record," said Freeman Sawyer.

With that kind of impunity, Sawyer said, many employers or would-be employers are taking advantage of the situation.

Almost every city in the region has at least one designated street corner where day laborers gather in the morning waiting for offers of work. Many of the workers who were interviewed for prior articles have admitted to being in the country illegally, saying they have come here to work so they can support their families back home.

"Since the possibility of being put in jail or fined is so remote, (the employers are) not worried about it," he said.

"What are the incentives for obeying the law when it's so profitable not to obey?" he asked, adding that employers who hire illegals pay rock-bottom wages and no benefits, and therefore realize larger profits.

Undersecretary Hutchinson could not be reached for comment last week. However, Russ Knocke, Immigration and Customs Enforcement's Washington spokesman, said Friday that workplace enforcement of immigration laws is ongoing.

The number of investigations the department has conducted of businesses nationwide has increased from 1,595 in 2001 to 2,194 in 2003, Knocke said.

He added that the low number of fines being issued is somewhat misleading, since those penalties are typically issued in only the most egregious cases. Many times, instead of issuing a fine, the government works with the employers, teaching them how to avoid hiring illegal immigrants, he said. In other cases, he added, government officials will negotiate the terms of the sanction with the company, and those deals are not made public.

Tough choices

Asked why the number of companies fined has dropped so dramatically in the past few years, Knocke cited limited resources and a shift in focus to protecting the country against terrorism since 9-11.

"I think (the numbers) show our reprioritization," he said.

Busting employers who hire undocumented immigrants for jobs where national security is not at stake comes much further down the list of priorities, he added.

"Contrast a restaurant versus an airport," said Knocke said. "We have limited resources to carry out our mandate ---- we have to make choices."

He said the government's focus on national security risks is paying significant dividends. In 2002, Homeland Security ---- Immigration and Customs is part of that agency ---- started Operation Tarmac to target employers and unauthorized workers at airports across the county.

Since then, more than 5,800 businesses at 196 airports have been audited, Knocke said. Those audits have resulted in the arrest of 1,058 unauthorized alien workers, and the government has obtained 775 criminal indictments.

With an estimated 8 million illegal immigrants living in the United States, the federal government has its hands full, Knocke said. He said his department doesn't have agents exclusively dedicated to monitoring "traditional" workplaces such as hotels, restaurants or farms. Instead, agents are assigned to work where the needs are greatest. And, for now, Knocke said, the government's No. 1 priority is monitoring sites such as airports, and energy and chemical plants.

Enforcement vacuum creates draw

The decline in arrests of employers of illegal immigrants, said Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Temecula, and host of the Aug. 13 town-hall meeting, is due to an almost complete abandonment of interior enforcement in the two decades following an amnesty in 1986.

In addition to resuming sweeps by the Border Patrol, Issa said Immigration Customs Enforcement officers must pursue employers who hire illegal immigrants. Prosecution should be relatively easy, he said, because many such employers already have committed a felony by paying workers in cash under the table ---- a violation of the Internal Revenue code.

And those in the business of smuggling illegal immigrants across the border ---- or "coyotes," as they are sometimes commonly called ---- should be vigorously prosecuted, he said, though they frequently are not because they are not viewed as a danger to the community.

Issa pointed to a letter sent to Attorney General John Ashcroft on July 30 by 14 members of the California Republican delegation. In it, the delegation expressed concern over the lack of prosecution of alien smugglers and called for a zero-tolerance policy. The letter pointed to the case of the arrest by the Temecula Border Patrol of a suspected coyote with what it called a long, documented record that includes multiple deportation proceedings and numerous arrests. The Justice Department, according to the letter, declined to prosecute and the suspect was released.

"The one thing I know for sure is the Border Patrol proved it is effective in arresting people who are not in this country legally," said Issa, "but we need to have effective employer enforcement, otherwise they create a draw" for illegal workers.

Professor blames middle class

A UC Riverside professor of ethnic studies said last week that he believes the federal government sits on its hands, turning a blind eye to those employers who hire illegal immigrants, because the country needs those workers.

"This country has an insatiable hunger for cheap labor," he said.

If the government started really cracking down on companies that hire those workers, "it would result in higher prices and higher prices create bigger problems ---- it (would) open up an economic Pandora's box," said Professor Armando Navarro, who also serves as coordinator for the National Alliance for Human Rights, an immigrant advocacy group.

He blasted America's middle class for being hypocritical and blamed the immigration problem on "those who have nice homes in Temecula and have their lawns cut by illegal immigrants and patronize restaurants where illegals are employed."

Though Sawyer, with Citizens Alliance for a Strong America, is on the opposite end of the political spectrum from Navarro, he appears to agree that America's middle class shares the blame. Referring to the 141 fines that Immigration and Customs Enforcement issued in 2001, he said: "I would bet there are more housewives than that in Temecula (with) illegal maids and nannies."

Temecula at center of controversy

A firestorm of controversy over illegal immigration recently erupted after allegations surfaced that under pressure from top administrators, agents at the U.S. Border Patrol's Temecula station had ended a series of sweeps in Inland cities stretching from Escondido to Ontario.

The sweeps of Latino communities began in early June and, in a few short weeks, agents had apprehended 492 people. Immigrant rights groups immediately began pressuring Washington legislators to end the operation. While federal officials have said there was no edict to stop the sweeps, several Border Patrol union officials have stated that the roving patrols were halted.

In response, local supporters of the Border Patrol's efforts howled in protest. They held a series of rallies in support of the agents' efforts in the following weeks, resulting in Undersecretary Hutchinson's visit to last week's town-hall meeting in Temecula.

Sawyer said that during the meeting ---- which drew more than 1,000 people ---- Hutchinson was peppered with questions about why the government was not coming down harder on employers of illegal immigrants.

"Asa talked to us about how they are improving, going to work sites and enforcing immigration laws," Sawyer said. "He misspoke ---- the federal government is doing less rather than more."

Bush's performance

Sawyer said he blames President George Bush and his administration for the continuing flood of undocumented workers who cross the border.

A longtime Republican activist, Sawyer said his work for Republican presidential candidates dates back to the 1960s and the Barry Goldwater campaign.

"But I'll be damned if I am going to work for the Bush campaign until he changes his current immigration policies and starts enforcing immigration law," Freeman said.

An expert in immigration at USC defended Bush's record.

"To his credit, Bush has tried to open the door to reform, whether through a 'Bracero' program or amnesty," said Professor Pierrette Hondagneu-Sotelo. "His efforts haven't gone anywhere with Democrats or Republicans largely because this is seen as too politically volatile on both sides."

Contact staff writer William Finn Bennett at (909) 676-4315, Ext. 2624, or [email protected].

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Quoted: According to Bush we are living in an age of uncertainty and terror, when Bush. Sr and Clinton was in we were not, that being said ten years ago Illegal aliens were nothing more then a drain on the economy, now according to Bush they are potential terrorist, THAT CAME OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH, and he still refuses to act on his own “premonition”

More delirium.

Quoted: Prosecutions against employers hiring illegal aliens DROPPED to almost nothing under GWB. It's a fact.  You can look it up.

Do you have any proof that this is due to a direct or even an indirect order from the White House teling the Justice Dept to cease prosecutions.

You maybe right, but I would like to see a direct connection before saying "It's Bush's fault"

Quoted: Quoted: According to Bush we are living in an age of uncertainty and terror, when Bush. Sr and Clinton was in we were not, that being said ten years ago Illegal aliens were nothing more then a drain on the economy, now according to Bush they are potential terrorist, THAT CAME OUT OF HIS OWN MOUTH, and he still refuses to act on his own “premonition” More delirium.

Keep in mind that Hylton, the DUh troll does not speak for me. He's only backing me because I'm bashing Bush right now.

Quoted: Nope, but illegal immigrants did.  A comprehensive immigration plan would target all types of illegal immigrants.  From border jumping mexicans to Muslems who overstay their visa or lie on their visa applications. Illegal is illegal. If you state or your visa application that the purpose of your visti is tourism, but the real purpose is to crash a jetliner into the WTC, you're an illegal alien.

OK I give you that.......is you're solution to eliminate immigration?

Because that is what this thread is really about. Some of the guys here hate Mexicans and don't want any of them here whether legal or illegal.

There it is.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How has Bush violated your civil liberties on a daily basis? I don't recall the constitution saying that violations only count if they are on a daily basis. Bush has good points and bad points, illegal immigration happens to be a bad point. I can't see how you are trying to stick up for him. Name one thing he did good to prevent illegal immigration and I will drop it right now To what violations are you referring, daily basis or not?   What has any president done about illegal immigration?  Tell me why suddenly Bush is the devil on this matter when NO president has ever done any thing about it. Like I said, I am not happy about that situation, but if you have been paying attention, there is movement in Congress on this matter and guess what, the president can't do shit if Congress never passes any law or bill on the subject. there would be no point to bring up another president's failure to control the border, as there is nothing they can do about it. Bush still has a chance to fix this, which is why I will bring it up. I wasn't referring to any violations, as my rights have not been violated (not yet at least, and hopefully never). I was simply pointing out that your daily basis comment was pointless, any violation of rights is a bad thing whether on a daily basis or not, and the Patriot Act does give the .gov permission to violate rights to "prevent terrorism". I am not however saying that the Patriot Act is Bush's fault

If no other president could do anything about it, why is it suddenly a pariah for Bush?  He can't do anything if Congress does not pass a bill relating to it.  He can't just shut down the border with the approval of Congress.  That seems to be something that a lot of you are forgetting.

Go READ the Patriot Act and then come link me to where it does what you say it does.  I have read it and don't see that.  Of course, every time that someone asks to be shown where the Patriot Act does these things, they never get the link.

Quoted: Quoted: Nope, but illegal immigrants did.  A comprehensive immigration plan would target all types of illegal immigrants.  From border jumping mexicans to Muslems who overstay their visa or lie on their visa applications. Illegal is illegal. If you state or your visa application that the purpose of your visti is tourism, but the real purpose is to crash a jetliner into the WTC, you're an illegal alien. OK I give you that.......is you're solution to eliminate immigration? Because that is what this thread is really about. Some of the guys here hate Mexicans and don't want any of them here whether legal or illegal. There it is.

That's total BS. Arizona has always had a rather large hispanic population. We, meaning most AZ citizens, regardless of race, want illegal aliens the fuck out of here. We all pay the price if they're not.


My hispanic girlfriend hates those fuckers almost more than me.

Don't try to make this a race issue, it's not. If our country was being invaded from Bosnia or Russia  I would have the exact same feelings about it. Hundereds of thousands of third world losers invading our state and our country as a whole is not producing good results, not that's any suprise to me.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Who is Jorge Bush? Look at your Topic Post! Agreed, who the fuck is Jorge Bush? I guess none of this happened before 2000, huh. +1 You know, I never get pissed about shit posted on the internet, but I guess you think Al Gore/John Kerry would be doing better? Prosecutions against employers hiring illegal aliens DROPPED to almost nothing under GWB. It's a fact.  You can look it up.

Link us to the figures.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nope, but illegal immigrants did.  A comprehensive immigration plan would target all types of illegal immigrants.  From border jumping mexicans to Muslems who overstay their visa or lie on their visa applications. Illegal is illegal. If you state or your visa application that the purpose of your visti is tourism, but the real purpose is to crash a jetliner into the WTC, you're an illegal alien. OK I give you that.......is you're solution to eliminate immigration? Because that is what this thread is really about. Some of the guys here hate Mexicans and don't want any of them here whether legal or illegal. There it is. That's total BS. Arizona has always had a rather large hispanic population. We, meaning most AZ citizens, regardless of race, want illegal aliens the fuck out of here. We all pay the price if they're not. My hispanic girlfriend hates those fuckers almost more than me. Don't try to make this a race issue, it's not. If our country was being invaded from Bosnia or Russia  I would have the exact same feelings about it. Hundereds of thousands of third world losers invading our state and our country as a whole is not producing good results, not that's any suprise to me.

I will take you on your word that this is the true meaning of this thread.

I don't think ANY of us think illegal immigration is helping this country or our economy.

We, I think, all agree that the social programs that are costing billions would be much more manageable and sustaining if the illegals were kicked out and not allowed.

BUT, as previously stated this is not a new problem and has been ongoing for ALL of my life. I know that several companies have taken steps to reduce any chance of illegal being on their worksite. Namely that favorite target of ARFCOM wrath WalMart. Last week we heard of a company that lost a $7 million/ yr construction contract with WalMart because out of 400 employees 3 had "some issues with their paper work". I think this guy probably knew he had some illegals and did nothing, WalMart took action.

Quoted: If no other president could do anything about it, why is it suddenly a pariah for Bush?  He can't do anything if Congress does not pass a bill relating to it.  He can't just shut down the border with the approval of Congress.  That seems to be something that a lot of you are forgetting. Go READ the Patriot Act and then come link me to where it does what you say it does.  I have read it and don't see that.  Of course, every time that someone asks to be shown where the Patriot Act does these things, they never get the link.

Firstly, all of the other presidents could have done something about it. They just chose not to. Not to mention that there are more illegal border crossings today than there were 40 years ago.

The president could propose a bill to congress to secure the border, he could even support one and it would make some difference. But instead he is comforting his buddy Vicente Fox, and telling him that the minutemen organization was a bunch of vigilantes for wanting to keep illegals out of here.

I have read the Patriot Act, have you. It allows for searches of businesses and wiretaps without warrants. Yet unreasonable search and seizure is supposed to be covered in (I believe) the 4th amendment. This has been discussed multiple times and The Macallan usually seems to break it down pretty well

Quoted: Quoted: If no other president could do anything about it, why is it suddenly a pariah for Bush?  He can't do anything if Congress does not pass a bill relating to it.  He can't just shut down the border with the approval of Congress.  That seems to be something that a lot of you are forgetting. Go READ the Patriot Act and then come link me to where it does what you say it does.  I have read it and don't see that.  Of course, every time that someone asks to be shown where the Patriot Act does these things, they never get the link. Firstly, all of the other presidents could have done something about it. They just chose not to. Not to mention that there are more illegal border crossings today than there were 40 years ago. The president could propose a bill to congress to secure the border, he could even support one and it would make some difference. But instead he is comforting his buddy Vicente Fox, and telling him that the minutemen organization was a bunch of vigilantes for wanting to keep illegals out of here. I have read the Patriot Act, have you. It allows for searches of businesses and wiretaps without warrants. Yet unreasonable search and seizure is supposed to be covered in (I believe) the 4th amendment. This has been discussed multiple times and The Macallan usually seems to break it down pretty well

I have said I read it and it does nothing that was not already case law.

Yes, it has been discussed and no one has yet to justify the paranoid rantings.

Quoted: President GW Bush is a weakling when it comes to fighting illegal alien invasion.

But he has got b*d d*mned cast itron balls the size of basketballs when he is protecting those wonderful undocmented migrant family value hard working workers that his boyfirned el-presidente fox send up here, by making absultely positive that the full weight and shock and awe fury of the empirical fed .gov will come up down with great violence and anger upon any subject who dares question or object mexico's right to superceed our own culture and national identity.

Quoted: Quoted: Nope, but illegal immigrants did.  A comprehensive immigration plan would target all types of illegal immigrants.  From border jumping mexicans to Muslems who overstay their visa or lie on their visa applications. Illegal is illegal. If you state or your visa application that the purpose of your visti is tourism, but the real purpose is to crash a jetliner into the WTC, you're an illegal alien. OK I give you that.......is you're solution to eliminate immigration? Because that is what this thread is really about. Some of the guys here hate Mexicans and don't want any of them here whether legal or illegal. There it is.

There it is. The race card. YOu need to gracefully bow out of any further discussion if that's the only thing you can bring to the table.

Attention all race baiters, please use the closest exit in an orderly  single file line, your honary mexican consulate card will be waiting out back with the day laborers.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nope, but illegal immigrants did.  A comprehensive immigration plan would target all types of illegal immigrants.  From border jumping mexicans to Muslems who overstay their visa or lie on their visa applications. Illegal is illegal. If you state or your visa application that the purpose of your visti is tourism, but the real purpose is to crash a jetliner into the WTC, you're an illegal alien. OK I give you that.......is you're solution to eliminate immigration? Because that is what this thread is really about. Some of the guys here hate Mexicans and don't want any of them here whether legal or illegal. There it is. There it is. The race card. YOu need to gracefully bow out of any further discussion if that's the only thing you can bring to the table. Attention all race baiters, please use the closest exit in an orderly  single file line, your honary mexican consulate card will be waiting out back with the day laborers.

Damn.....I already did exit, I thought.

Look at the my last post.

If this thread is really about illegal aliens and not just Mexicans in general, I understand the position.

But this is a problem that has been going on for over 100 years, not 6.

This is NOT a problem that George Bush brought upon this country with any policy.

If you believe it is, please show me the law he signed or the Exective Order he signed pertaining to illegal immigration.


EDIT....because I can't type

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Nope, but illegal immigrants did.  A comprehensive immigration plan would target all types of illegal immigrants.  From border jumping mexicans to Muslems who overstay their visa or lie on their visa applications. Illegal is illegal. If you state or your visa application that the purpose of your visti is tourism, but the real purpose is to crash a jetliner into the WTC, you're an illegal alien. OK I give you that.......is you're solution to eliminate immigration? Because that is what this thread is really about. Some of the guys here hate Mexicans and don't want any of them here whether legal or illegal. There it is. There it is. The race card. YOu need to gracefully bow out of any further discussion if that's the only thing you can bring to the table. Attention all race baiters, please use the closest exit in an orderly  single file line, your honary mexican consulate card will be waiting out back with the day laborers. Damn.....I already did exit, I thought. Look at the my last post. If this thread is really about illegal aliens and not just Mexicans in general, I understand the position. But this is a problem that has been going on for over 100 years, not 6. This is NOT a problem that George Bush brought upon this country will any policy. If you believe it is please so me the law he signed or the Exective Order he signed pertaining to illegal immigration.

Why do you keep questioning whether the thread is about illegal aliens? I started the thread, it's about illegal aliens.

Of course I don't expect Jorge to deport U.S. citizens that happen to be hispanic. DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS...NOW!

Quoted: Why do you keep questioning whether the thread is about illegal aliens? I started the thread, it's about illegal aliens. Of course I don't expect Jorge to deport U.S. citizens that happen to be hispanic. DEPORT ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS...NOW!

Sorry I worded that poorly.

I already said I took you at your word that this was not about race......I said that and meant it.

You guys keep blaming GW as if he alone can politically close the border.

It's the citizens stupid.


Until the voting citizens roar loud enough to make this the #1 issue on the political plate, the politicians will do nothing.

It's OUR fault that nothing is being done.

CMOS

Quoted: You guys keep blaming GW as if he alone can politically close the border. It's the citizens stupid. Until the voting citizens roar loud enough to make this the #1 issue on the political plate, the politicians will do nothing. It's OUR fault that nothing is being done. CMOS

It's OUR fault?

I thought protection on the U.S. border against a foreign invasion was a given, I didn't realize we had to demand it for 10 years straight first.  It's too bad it really doesn't work the way you think it does, because if it did, it'd be great to see the government not act on ANYTHING unless we instructed them too. You know, things like taxes, gun control, foreign aid...shit like that.

You're delusional.

Besides, we are complaining about it, Jorge is just refusing to listen to it, that's the whole problem.

Quoted: You guys keep blaming GW as if he alone can politically close the border. It's the citizens stupid. Until the voting citizens roar loud enough to make this the #1 issue on the political plate, the politicians will do nothing. It's OUR fault that nothing is being done. CMOS

bullshit. If we roar load enough our governors will declare a state of emergency on the border just before voting time to try and pretend that they care. Yet we did vote for prop 200 here in AZ that our border securing governor decided to pick apart until it essentially meant nothing

Quoted: Damn.....I already did exit, I thought. Look at the my last post. If this thread is really about illegal aliens and not just Mexicans in general, I understand the position.

Oops, my apologies. I quoted your post before I had read the entire thread so I hadn't noticed you'd retracked.

Quoted: Quoted: You guys keep blaming GW as if he alone can politically close the border. It's the citizens stupid. Until the voting citizens roar loud enough to make this the #1 issue on the political plate, the politicians will do nothing. It's OUR fault that nothing is being done. CMOS It's OUR fault? I thought protection on the U.S. border against a foreign invasion was a given, I didn't realize we had to demand it for 10 years straight first.  It's too bad it really doesn't work the way you think it does, because if it did, it'd be great to see the government not act on ANYTHING unless we instructed them too. You know, things like taxes, gun control, foreign aid...shit like that. You're delusional.

Dilusional?  I  think not.  I counter all of your examples.

Yes, WE THE PEOPLE instruct - or not - the politicians to do what we want them to do by voting.  If WE keep voting in idiots, then we'll continue to get idiotic results.

If 80% of the voting citizens in this country screamed to stop illegal immigration, and I mean screamed, the Feds could do it.

We do not have the political will to do so at this time..

CMOS

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You guys keep blaming GW as if he alone can politically close the border. It's the citizens stupid. Until the voting citizens roar loud enough to make this the #1 issue on the political plate, the politicians will do nothing. It's OUR fault that nothing is being done. CMOS It's OUR fault? I thought protection on the U.S. border against a foreign invasion was a given, I didn't realize we had to demand it for 10 years straight first.  It's too bad it really doesn't work the way you think it does, because if it did, it'd be great to see the government not act on ANYTHING unless we instructed them too. You know, things like taxes, gun control, foreign aid...shit like that. You're delusional. Dilusional?  I  think not.  I counter all of your examples. Yes, WE THE PEOPLE instruct - or not - the politicians to do what we want them to do by voting.  If WE keep voting in idiots, then we'll continue to get idiotic results. If 80% of the voting citizens in this country screamed to stop illegal immigration, and I mean screamed, the Feds could do it. We do not have the political will to do so at this time.. CMOS

WTF are you talking about? The governments number 1 priority and number 1 reason for existence is to protect the United States. They are NOT doing it, and have no intensions on doing it. This has nothing to do with voting, it is their first priority.

Unfortunately, government, and you,  have seemed to lose sight of what they're there for, but I haven't.

Quoted: uummm.... welcome to Arizona. This shit has been happening long before this incident. The .gov doesn't give a shit about us as long as they get rich. Greed is going to be the downfall of America

You hit the nail on the head. I can't agree more....