Quoted: Don't underestimate Bin Laden. This man is brilliant, trained by the best of the best in U.S. Special Operations. Why do you think we picked him to help us fight the Soviets in Afghanistan? Why do you think the Soviets lost the war?

I beg to differ:

from the horse's mouth,

www.snipersparadise.com/articles/soviet.htm

you know, it's perfectly honorable in the koran to offer a truce or a treaty to kafirs. it allows you to rebuild and marshal your forces so you can attack them at a later date.

i think we oughta take him up on it so we CAN rebuild iraq and afghanistan. see if folks are willing to blow up their nice new houses, blow up their brand new electric generators consistently and reliably providing electricity, mine their freshly paved roads, poison their clean water...if they are, fuck 'em we can walk away saying we tried our level best...

"All we are saying, is give peace a chance"

I bet $154* that traitors like Benedict Murtha, Osama Joe Biden, Hanoi-John, The Corpulent Tick, The Screamer and many other terrorist-supporters in the DNC as well as their more-than-willing accomplices in the media will begin hinting that we should take OBL's offer seriously.





* $154 is all the money I have in my wallet right now.

Quoted: Quoted: Don't underestimate Bin Laden. This man is brilliant, trained by the best of the best in U.S. Special Operations. Why do you think we picked him to help us fight the Soviets in Afghanistan? Why do you think the Soviets lost the war? I beg to differ: from the horse's mouth, www.snipersparadise.com/articles/soviet.htm

No offense, but that was a bunch of b.s. spewed by a former soviet (read defeated) soldier. I have seen and read many afghany interviews and accounts, and they are quite a bit different.

The funniest commit by the russian soldier is were he says the Soviets simply became tired of kicking the afghanies asses, and decided to leave!!!!!!!!!! LOL

The soviets losing in afghanistan cost them their place as a world superpower and was a large factor in the collapse of the soviet union.

Quoted: CIA Propaganda

+1

Excellent. At worst, this lets us know that our most recent attacks have been particularly effective. Hit 'em harder, wipe 'em out for good!

And it's always possible that Osama's already dead. Don't forget that, despite the media and Democrats constant holwling, we do have lots of guys constantly looking for him and his buddies.

I thought this was one of those far out BS threads but I look on foxnews and cnn and there it is.

I wonder what the Democrats spin on this will be?

Will this make us look like the bad guys in the Arab world?

Will there finally be real border security in this country?

Kinda reminds me of the Brit officer's comments about the U.S. military favoring a particularly violent kind of war, and that the Americans fight to win.

Time to put the final screws to Billy bin Goatfucker.

Put 1 and 1 together guys.

We've been talking all this time about how porous our borders are as well as discussing random things that have disappeared over the last 4 years.

Don't get all cocky because you think OBL's offer of a truce is a sign of weakness. They've had YEARS to prepare for this.

Tracphones + terror cells in the US + open borders for years + stolen items that haven't turned up + several tapes popping up in an order that has previously shown to be the "go ahead" for terror activity could possibly equal some sucky times ahead in the VERY near future.

also if he's so close to getting caught or whacked, sometimes the wounded tiger fights hardest. Think about that one.

Quoted: Put 1 and 1 together guys. We've been talking all this time about how porous our borders are as well as discussing random things that have disappeared over the last 4 years. Don't get all cocky because you think OBL's offer of a truce is a sign of weakness. They've had YEARS to prepare for this. Tracphones + terror cells in the US + open borders for years + stolen items that haven't turned up + several tapes popping up in an order that has previously shown to be the "go ahead" for terror activity could possibly equal some sucky times ahead in the VERY near future. also if he's so close to getting caught or whacked, sometimes the wounded tiger fights hardest. Think about that one.

Yep.

It was 8 years between the first and second WTC attack.

But then again, OBL has "warned" us many times in the past that an attack was coming - and even gave specific threats, like right before the 2004 election - that he wouldn't attack any state that voted against GWBush. So does this mean it's just another empty threat?


Just remember the lesson of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"...

...there really was a wolf.

Quoted: Bomb Mecca!

The place should have been nuked on 9-12-01...

Quoted: Quoted: Bomb Mecca! The place should have been nuked on 9-12-01...

Even at the height of WWII in the Pacific - we never bombed Japan's holiest shrines.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Don't underestimate Bin Laden. This man is brilliant, trained by the best of the best in U.S. Special Operations. Why do you think we picked him to help us fight the Soviets in Afghanistan? Why do you think the Soviets lost the war? I beg to differ: from the horse's mouth, www.snipersparadise.com/articles/soviet.htm No offense, but that was a bunch of b.s. spewed by a former soviet (read defeated) soldier. I have seen and read many afghany interviews and accounts, and they are quite a bit different. The funniest commit by the russian soldier is were he says the Soviets simply became tired of kicking the afghanies asses, and decided to leave!!!!!!!!!! LOL The soviets losing in afghanistan cost them their place as a world superpower and was a large factor in the collapse of the soviet union.

agree to disagree.

I think this was played up in the U.S. during the war for propaganda reasons, that these "heroic" mujahideen were killing the soviets left and right.

why did we leave vietnam?  Because we were defeated?  We left because there was no reason to stay any longer, same with the Russians.  They could of wiped off every afghan outside the cities in a few weeks, with the right weapons.  That's not what they were there to do.  As he describes, they did their best to win the hearts and minds, to convince them that a socialist system was in their best interest.  But in the end it was all for nothing.

I just don't believe it can be wrapped up in a nice neat package of, "they got their asses kicked by tribesmen and fled."

just my take.

-mark

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: When you hear your enemies cry for mercy or for a truce, It's time to redouble your efforts because you are hurting him!!! +1.  Pakistan's getting a little bit hot for Osama. time to turn up the heat. i don't want to see him cry. i want to see him beg for mercy as we let the crows pluck the eyes from his skull

Dayum!

That's a bit cruel, even for Osama.

I would settle for a 230 grain .45 caliber slug into his brain.

Quoted: Over on DU its posted that GW payed Bin Laden to do this around election time so bush can win another election

Except we have no election right now.

But then again, little annoyances like FACT and REASON have never mattered to DU.

isnt this the way they fight in afgan?

between the northen aliance and the taliban..

fight .. get hurt .. stop... go back to thier corners... regroup and do it all over again?

Quoted: Quoted: Now, therefore, is the time to turn up the heat and crush this gomer and his crappy followers. Don't underestimate Bin Laden. This man is brilliant, trained by the best of the best in U.S. Special Operations. Why do you think we picked him to help us fight the Soviets in Afghanistan? Why do you think the Soviets lost the war?

You need to learn more about the history of that confilct and what US involvement occured before you make moronic posts like this one.

Quoted: Quoted: Put 1 and 1 together guys. We've been talking all this time about how porous our borders are as well as discussing random things that have disappeared over the last 4 years. Don't get all cocky because you think OBL's offer of a truce is a sign of weakness. They've had YEARS to prepare for this. Tracphones + terror cells in the US + open borders for years + stolen items that haven't turned up + several tapes popping up in an order that has previously shown to be the "go ahead" for terror activity could possibly equal some sucky times ahead in the VERY near future. also if he's so close to getting caught or whacked, sometimes the wounded tiger fights hardest. Think about that one. Yep. It was 8 years between the first and second WTC attack. But then again, OBL has "warned" us many times in the past that an attack was coming - and even gave specific threats, like right before the 2004 election - that he wouldn't attack any state that voted against GWBush. So does this mean it's just another empty threat? Just remember the lesson of "The Boy Who Cried Wolf"... ...there really was a wolf.

i think pretty much everyone knows another attack is coming. has osama EVER made an empty threat??? it's just a matter of when and where.

my guess is a series of big attacks all over the country. some will be vbied's, some will be suicide vest bombers is malls. i don't think any will be bio/chem but we may see dirty bombs (regular explosives blasting our radiological debris). does anyone think maybe the 5th year anniversary of 9/11? do rags think like that?

Quoted: my guess is a series of big attacks all over the country. some will be vbied's, some will be suicide vest bombers is malls. i don't think any will be bio/chem but we may see dirty bombs (regular explosives blasting our radiological debris). does anyone think maybe the 5th year anniversary of 9/11? do rags think like that?

a little optimistic on the part of the terrorists.  don't think that kind of coordination in the U.S. would be possible now.  the best they could do for 9/11 was one team, and specific targets.  You're talking about an all out war from foreign soil inside our borders, that some how now got by the feds.  

and no, it doesn't seem that they follow any patterns.  if you're in their profession, following a pattern would spell disastor.  You strike when the time is right, or when no one expects it.

-mark

Quoted: CIA Propaganda

I agree that this is propaganda, but I don't have proof if it is the CIA doing it. I really think OBL died a long time ago of health problems. How can this super terrorist not have any modern videos or pictures in the news. If this guy was alive and Al Qeuida was some sort of super organized terrorist group we would be seeing video and audio propaganda every week or month.

I do think terrorism is a serious problem but it will be the few lone nuts that will get us not some Dr. evil type of super terrorist. I also think we will have another major attack in the near future with WMD's if we don't change some things soon. This next attack will make 9/11 look like a fender bender. Our Gov will use that as the last straw to take what little rights we still have left. God forbid it does happen.  The terrorist will be the ones doing it, but our Government will be the real ones to blame. Since 9/11/01 our Goverment has done almost nothing to keep us safe here in the States besides spend billiions of our tax dollars making new worthless agencies. Hell even most of our airline pilots are still not armed almost 5 years after 9/11.Our open border and immigration policies are down right criminial in my view and have set us up for a major attack. We have just been lucky so far, but it is only a matter of time.

As long as our border is wide open and 20 million illegals are running around then the so called war on terror is all but a joke.

Quoted: Quoted: my guess is a series of big attacks all over the country. some will be vbied's, some will be suicide vest bombers is malls. i don't think any will be bio/chem but we may see dirty bombs (regular explosives blasting our radiological debris). does anyone think maybe the 5th year anniversary of 9/11? do rags think like that? a little optimistic on the part of the terrorists.  don't think that kind of coordination in the U.S. would be possible now.  the best they could do for 9/11 was one team, and specific targets.  You're talking about an all out war from foreign soil inside our borders, that some how now got by the feds.   and no, it doesn't seem that they follow any patterns.  if you're in their profession, following a pattern would spell disastor.  You strike when the time is right, or when no one expects it. -mark

brother, from your mouth to god's ears! my big worry is the mix of complacency and political correctness. nothing big has happened here in 4+ years, we're kicking ass all over the place, and we're getting mickey moused to death by libtard groups who want to drag bush down by attacking his security policies. i just hope we haven't degraded our incountry intel and security capabilities.

these guys have learned by trial and error, they're not dirt farmers from kabul or merchants from fallujah, they're highly intelligent operatives who believe they're fighting the crusades, the evil infidels. they learn from the mistakes of others and they pass on what they learn and they're determined to go slow and do it right the first time around. they're technologically capable and know how to use our own system against us.

you know, we had little warning signs the first time around, before 9/11, that we didn't pay attention too, guys getting busted with multiple id's, guys taking flight lessons who weren't interested in learning how to land, run-throughs done overseas. we have some signs now with vehicles going missing, radioactive waste not being accounted for, celfones being bought in large numbers, shit like that. anyway, when osama speaks we need to listen and look out. i'm just glad i work in a secure facility and do my shopping by mail.

ETA: oh yeah, you're absolutely right about the pattern. osama would be too smart for that.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Now, therefore, is the time to turn up the heat and crush this gomer and his crappy followers. Don't underestimate Bin Laden. This man is brilliant, trained by the best of the best in U.S. Special Operations. Why do you think we picked him to help us fight the Soviets in Afghanistan? Why do you think the Soviets lost the war? You need to learn more about the history of that confilct and what US involvemnet occured before you make moronic posts like this one.

+1

CNN headline "Tape threatens new terror."

Now, every goddamn tape that sonuvabitch has put out for the last four years has threatened attacks.  But how does CNN chose to cover Bin Laden crying uncle?  

Fucking people, I swear.

They are dependably deceptive and complete liars.  

Don't believe a word of it.

Continue the bombing.

That is all.

I guess this is more important then closing the border, defending the USA or fighting terrorism. I guess pron is a bigger threat. What a freaking joke.......

Feds after Google data


www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/13657303.htm

Quoted: Quoted: CIA Propaganda I agree that this is propaganda, but I don't have proof if it is the CIA doing it. I really think OBL died a long time ago of health problems. How can this super terrorist not have any modern videos or pictures in the news. If this guy was alive and Al Qeuida was some sort of super organized terrorist group we would be seeing video and audio propaganda every week or month. I do think terrorism is a serious problem but it will be the few lone nuts that will get us not some Dr. evil type of super terrorist. I also think we will have another major attack in the near future with WMD's if we don't change some things soon. This next attack will make 9/11 look like a fender bender. Our Gov will use that as the last straw to take what little rights we still have left. God forbid it does happen.  The terrorist will be the ones doing it, but our Government will be the real ones to blame. Since 9/11/01 our Goverment has done almost nothing to keep us safe here in the States besides spend billiions of our tax dollars making new worthless agencies. Hell even most of our airline pilots are still not armed almost 5 years after 9/11.Our open border and immigration policies are down right criminial in my view and have set us up for a major attack. We have just been lucky so far, but it is only a matter of time. As long as our border is wide open and 20 million illegals are running around then the so called war on terror is all but a joke.

Google "Tim Osman"

The tape is said to date from December, before the Pakistan Hellfire episode.

Notice that the purported reason for the truce is to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan. I think al Qaeda is losing ground in the info war; they're increasingly regarded in the muslim world as a bunch of murderous thugs. So it appears that they are trying to change their image in that regard. It's a sign they're not doing very well in the intra-Islam propaganda war.

Quoted: .......trained by the best of the best in U.S. Special Operations. Why do you think we picked him to help us fight the Soviets in Afghanistan? Why do you think the Soviets lost the war?

Where did you here that nonsense from? Bin Laden was NEVER trained by the US, in fact he objected to our help, he and his mujahadeen fought without our help. That does not mean that the US did not help Afghanistan fight the Soviets, of course we did, but we never gave OBL money, weapons, or training-he did not want it.  

This is just another myth fabricated by the left, to make it look like it's our fault-again.

It's propaganda but not by the US Government. Sounds like Bin Laden needs a respite to regroup or, is trying to appeal to the liberals over here to "negotiate". After all it worked for N. Korea and it seems to be working for Iran.

Bomber

Quoted: Quoted: .......trained by the best of the best in U.S. Special Operations. Why do you think we picked him to help us fight the Soviets in Afghanistan? Why do you think the Soviets lost the war? Where did you here that nonsense from? Bin Laden was NEVER trained by the US, in fact he objected to our help, he and his mujahadeen fought without our help. That does not mean that the US did not help Afghanistan fight the Soviets, of course we did, but we never gave OBL money, weapons, or training-he did not want it.   This is just another myth fabricated by the left, to make it look like it's our fault-again.

Didnt we supply the muj with stingers so they could fight off those nasty hinds ?

Most liberals say no to in country surveillance, no to the patriot act, no to closed borders, and then bam we get attacked and they say why didn't we do more. Then some tub o' lard goes out and makes a "documentary" on how the right wing government failed and how the liberals tried to save the day.

Sorry I had to rant.ho

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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: .......trained by the best of the best in U.S. Special Operations. Why do you think we picked him to help us fight the Soviets in Afghanistan? Why do you think the Soviets lost the war? Where did you here that nonsense from? Bin Laden was NEVER trained by the US, in fact he objected to our help, he and his mujahadeen fought without our help. That does not mean that the US did not help Afghanistan fight the Soviets, of course we did, but we never gave OBL money, weapons, or training-he did not want it.   This is just another myth fabricated by the left, to make it look like it's our fault-again. Didnt we supply the muj with stingers so they could fight off those nasty hinds ?

Yep. That's why i wrote in my post:

That does not mean that the US did not help Afghanistan fight the Soviets, of course we did, but we never gave OBL money, weapons, or training-he did not want it.

ETA: We helped  the Afghans fight, but there were many other muslims from other countries (eg-OBL) who were also fighting. OBL happened to be one which we did not help, because he didn't want/need it.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: .......trained by the best of the best in U.S. Special Operations. Why do you think we picked him to help us fight the Soviets in Afghanistan? Why do you think the Soviets lost the war? Where did you here that nonsense from? Bin Laden was NEVER trained by the US, in fact he objected to our help, he and his mujahadeen fought without our help. That does not mean that the US did not help Afghanistan fight the Soviets, of course we did, but we never gave OBL money, weapons, or training-he did not want it.   This is just another myth fabricated by the left, to make it look like it's our fault-again. Didnt we supply the muj with stingers so they could fight off those nasty hinds ?

We supplied some factions with stingers. People have this idea that the Mujahadeen was one large centrally led and well organization. In trith it was made up of many small factions who quite often would fight each other as much as the Soviets, and hatred for the Russians was sometimes the only common factor.

Bin Laden led a small group, and was not hardly the great leader of the mujahadeen the media seems to want to paint him as. But we provided weapons to the factions we liked, The Pakistanis to the ones they liked, and so on and so forth. A whole lot of hands tossed weapons into this country, even the Chinese.

Quoted: Quoted: .......trained by the best of the best in U.S. Special Operations. Why do you think we picked him to help us fight the Soviets in Afghanistan? Why do you think the Soviets lost the war? Where did you here that nonsense from? Bin Laden was NEVER trained by the US, in fact he objected to our help, he and his mujahadeen fought without our help. That does not mean that the US did not help Afghanistan fight the Soviets, of course we did, but we never gave OBL money, weapons, or training-he did not want it.   This is just another myth fabricated by the left, to make it look like it's our fault-again.

You can't be serious?  Do you really believe that we did not fund, equip, and train soldiers who were fighting right along side UBL? There was no clear line, and everyone used our equipment, and services, i.e. stinger missiles and training. Bin Laden was used by us, to further our cause, facilitating the demise of the Soviets.

This has been a pattern in our government for years. We were never in Cambodia or Laos either....right? If you go by your official sources, the same ones you are going by on this theatre, then we were not, and that is also a myth.

We have created more than one monster in our time.

Let me guess, you don't believe Saddam Hussein was ever on our payroll either?

And we have never authorized assassinations or assisted in Coups?

PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES!!

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: .......trained by the best of the best in U.S. Special Operations. Why do you think we picked him to help us fight the Soviets in Afghanistan? Why do you think the Soviets lost the war? Where did you here that nonsense from? Bin Laden was NEVER trained by the US, in fact he objected to our help, he and his mujahadeen fought without our help. That does not mean that the US did not help Afghanistan fight the Soviets, of course we did, but we never gave OBL money, weapons, or training-he did not want it.   This is just another myth fabricated by the left, to make it look like it's our fault-again. You can't be serious?  Do you really believe that we did not fund, equip, and train soldiers who were fighting right along side UBL? There was no clear line, and everyone used our equipment, and services, i.e. stinger missiles and training. Bin Laden was used by us, to further our cause, facilitating the demise of the Soviets. This has been a pattern in our government for years. We were never in Cambodia or Laos either....right? If you go by your official sources, the same ones you are going by on this theatre, then we were not, and that is also a myth. We have created more than one monster in our time. Let me guess, you don't believe Saddam Hussein was ever on our payroll either? And we have never authorized assassinations or assisted in Coups? PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES!!

No, not everyone used our equipment. See my above post, get your head out of your ass and try to learn some real facts before you make yourself look more like an ignorant idiot.

Bin Ladens group recieved no aid from the US shipments as we allied with other factions who also did not like him. Most of our aid was distrubuted from a central source in Pakistan, while he ran his own much smaller supply operation there with money from Arab donors.

99% of the equipment used by the muj was...... SOVIET.


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Quoted: When you hear your enemies cry for mercy or for a truce, It's time to redouble your efforts because you are hurting him!!! POS is trying to sway muslims to his side. There after he will say he tried to prevent their home from being destroyed by offering the Kafir a truce but they (US and Allies) wanted war. Doesn't that Blood Dripping War Manual say that it's ok to lie, cheat, and enslave non believers in the name of the unholy war they are fighting. Time to fix bayonets and charge for glory!!!

A big +1.

Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: .......trained by the best of the best in U.S. Special Operations. Why do you think we picked him to help us fight the Soviets in Afghanistan? Why do you think the Soviets lost the war? Where did you here that nonsense from? Bin Laden was NEVER trained by the US, in fact he objected to our help, he and his mujahadeen fought without our help. That does not mean that the US did not help Afghanistan fight the Soviets, of course we did, but we never gave OBL money, weapons, or training-he did not want it.   This is just another myth fabricated by the left, to make it look like it's our fault-again. You can't be serious?  Do you really believe that we did not fund, equip, and train soldiers who were fighting right along side UBL? There was no clear line, and everyone used our equipment, and services, i.e. stinger missiles and training. Bin Laden was used by us, to further our cause, facilitating the demise of the Soviets. This has been a pattern in our government for years. We were never in Cambodia or Laos either....right? If you go by your official sources, the same ones you are going by on this theatre, then we were not, and that is also a myth. We have created more than one monster in our time. Let me guess, you don't believe Saddam Hussein was ever on our payroll either? And we have never authorized assassinations or assisted in Coups? PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES!! No, not everyone used our equipment. See my above post, get your head out of your ass and try to learn some real facts before you make yourself look more like an ignorant idiot. Bin Ladens group recieved no aid from the US shipments as we allied with other factions who also did not like him. Most of our aid went to the eastern and central part of the country, and he operated mostly in the south. 99% of the equipment used by the muj was...... SOVIET.

Thank you for writing that, because i really didn't feel like re-writing what i had said above.  

Bin laden has been listening to the liberal media, check this out:

""But what triggered my desire to talk to you is the continuous deliberate misinformation given by your President [George] Bush, when it comes to polls made in your home country which reveal that the majority of your people are willing to withdraw US forces from Iraq.

Americans want peace

"We know that the majority of your people want this war to end and opinion polls show the Americans do not want to fight the Muslims on Muslim land, nor do they want Muslims to fight them on their [US] land.  

"The new operations of al-Qaida has not happened not because we could not penetrate the security measures. It is being prepared and you'll see it in your homeland very soon"

Osama bin Laden

"But Bush does not want this and claims that it is better to fight his enemies on their land rather than on American land.

"Bush tried to ignore the polls that demanded that he end the war in Iraq.

"We are getting increasingly stronger while your situation is getting from bad to worse," he told the US, referring to poor US troop morale and the huge economic losses inflicted by the war.

Sounds like He's talked to Jim Murtha and Nancy Pelosi personally...amazing and liberals do not think their words mean things.

The basis of war is deception of your opponent, you want him to believe you are weak when you are capable of striking, and you want to appear strong when you are in fact weak.

Is he offering a truce to make us think they are on the rout? Is he threatening attacks when they couldnt possibly execute one? We need to pay attention to the peripheral signals, such as our pourous borders offering an excellent possibility for the enemy to sneak weapons and personnel in. I am not going to draw an opinion on the tape until other factors are brought to light.

Truce I dont think so......................There are bills to be paid and they can only be paid one way.

Quoted: No, not everyone used our equipment. See my above post, get your head out of your ass and try to learn some real facts before you make yourself look more like an ignorant idiot.

You need to think a little broader than you are. Stop focusing in on whether or not Bin Laden actually received a check or rifle from the hands of a U.S. officer.

Bin Ladens group recieved no aid from the US shipments as we allied with other factions who also did not like him. Most of our aid was distrubuted from a central source in Pakistan, while he ran his own much smaller supply operation there with money from Arab donors.

We were not fighting Bin Laden.....we were assisting those who were fighting the Soviets. If I train one guy in a platoon of soldiers how to operate, clean, and maintain a certain weapons system. He is going to go back and train the rest of his guys from what I have told him. Therefore I have trained an entire platoon of _______ fill in the blank. Just because I didn't sit everyone down in a classroom and do it as a group....the same effect is achieved.

We trained and equipped soldiers who were fighting alongside UBL.......soldiers who were fighting for the same cause.........and you think UBL never learned or used anything from us? The bottom line is, UBL is at the very least, partly who he is today due to our involvement with Afghanistan.

You also did not answer my questions on Vietnam, Saddam, and our history of using radical foreign extremist to further our political agendas, with a history of these same people coming back to haunt us years later......???  Or is your beloved U.S. government above reproach?

Waving the olive branch with one hand so we do not see what you are bringing in the other.

Added bonus of the moonbats only able to see the hand with the branch.

They are hurt. It is a stalling tactic.

B.L., et. al. - There will be NO peace for you, save that of death.

I agree now is the time to redouble our efforts.

Vigilance.

Quoted: We were not fighting Bin Laden.....we were assisting those who were fighting the Soviets.

No shit Sherlok, show me where I ever said we did fight him. I said the Muj fought among themselves, and we tended to support factions he did not get along with.

If I train one guy in a platoon of soldiers how to operate, clean, and maintain a certain weapons system. He is going to go back and train the rest of his guys from what I have told him. Therefore I have trained an entire platoon of _______ fill in the blank. Just because I didn't sit everyone down in a classroom and do it as a group....the same effect is achieved.

You still fail to comprehend the reality of what we did or did not do during that war.

We did very little training for one, most of that was done by the Pakistanis. Second, your theory assumes that all the mujahadeen cooperated a great deal with each other, which they did not.... in fact it took a good deal of effort on the part of a lot of people to keep them from killing each other, and they were pretty hesitant to share weapons or knowledge with other groups of mujahadeen they did not like. So no, your theory is badly flawed and based in ignorance of history.

A better analogy that fits the situation would be police departments in the US. They all do the same basic job, but are very "departmentalized" and localized so if I train a cop in GA, while he may show all his buddies on his department and maybe a few nearby, it would be a far stretch to say because I trained that cop in GA that all of NYPD are now trained by me as well.

We trained and equipped soldiers who were fighting alongside UBL.......soldiers who were fighting for the same cause.........and you think UBL never learned or used anything from us? The bottom line is, UBL is at the very least, partly who he is today due to our involvement with Afghanistan.

Did he maybe learn a little? Sure, he may have. But I refer back to your orignal post:
This man is brilliant, trained by the best of the best in U.S. Special Operations. Why do you think we picked him to help us fight the Soviets in Afghanistan?

So lets rip it apart. Trained by US Special Forces??? No, and if we had wanted to he would have turned down the offer anyway.

Now maybe Hibidullah got some traing by Pakistanis watched over by a few Americans and then went home and tought Jameer who showed his brother who showed some guy in Osamas camp? Sure, but thats a far cry from your initial, ignorant, based purely in bullshit and lies statement above.

I won't even comment on the part about us "choosing" Bin Laden it is so far from reality. Unless you just want a history lesson.

You also did not answer my questions on Vietnam, Saddam, and our history of using radical foreign extremist to further our political agendas, with a history of these same people coming back to haunt us years later......???  Or is your beloved U.S. government above reproach?

Some of it is true without a doubt, but a whole lot more is blown way out of perspective, twisted, and lied about..... your initial post is a perfect example of that.

In short, your original statement was either based on extreme ignorance and you like to open your mouth and say things that you just make up, or you just like to lie and twist the facts to fit the point you wish to make and hope nobody is around to call you on your lies.

Either way you have no credibility.

Bin Laden wants a bukkake.

The term is "Hudna", a temporary truce meant to be broken when the terrorists have re-armed.

Only the naive will go for his truce.

Osama Bin Laden - an old indian phrase for "he who lives in a cave and barks like a dog"

Quoted: ......who showed some guy in Osamas camp? Either way you have no credibility.

This is done, as far as credibility goes, learn how to properly spell the mans name that you are a self proclaimed expert on.
www.fbi.gov/mostwant/terrorists/terbinladen.htm



You have been on the internet WAY too long. Unplug.......

That is not Bin Laden.

What sites?

Quoted: Well, chatter on AQ websites says some of the midlevel guys are starting to wonder why they attacked us in the first place, as we seem to like killing them. So there's talk of trying to get the US to leave them alone, and then concentrate on Europe.

Nuts!!!

Quoted: Quoted: ......who showed some guy in Osamas camp? Either way you have no credibility. This is done, as far as credibility goes, learn how to properly spell the mans name that you are a self proclaimed expert on. www.fbi.gov/mostwant/terrorists/terbinladen.htm You have been on the internet WAY too long. Unplug.......

Actually, I have been in Afghanistan way too long, but long enough to know that there is not literal English translation for Arabic, Dari or Pashtu. You do the best you can to make it sound the same, and both spellings come close to how it is spoke depending on what dialect you hear. I just tend to go with the one closer to what I here when I talk to the locals and my terps. The way the FBI has it listed is probably closer to the Arabic way.... but there is no standard for trabslation on many things in this region.

But I see when the facts were pointed out to you that is the best you had to reply with. Typical liberal response, when faced with the fact that all your talking ponts hold no basis in reality, attack the messenger.

I suggest for your first bit of research Afghanistan, A Military History From Alexander The Great to the Fall of The Taliban By Steven Tanner, a somewhat dry but excellent work on the history of this country. I read it and numerous other works before I deployed, and reread it not long ago now that I am much more familiar with the geography. I can suggest other books if you ever get serious about knowing what your talking about.