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Posted: 1/17/2006 5:15:32 PM EDT
I don't know how reliable it is, but I think they look cool in spite of being French.

BTW do you know why French people stink?

So blind people can hate them too!
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:16:01 PM EDT
Because they're French...

Kharn
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:23:07 PM EDT
not enough demand I bet.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:24:47 PM EDT
I've had alot of experience using them in Rainbow Six 3. Trust me, they suck ass.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:30:45 PM EDT
If I had the blueprints for one I would have one made. Any ideas on where to get the prints?
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:32:25 PM EDT
The real question is why did someone in France make one in the first place.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:33:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The real question is why did someone in France make one in the first place.



Same reason as they made Renaults and Citroens.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:34:35 PM EDT
I have always heard that Le Clarion was pretty dependable........more so than the L85 the Brits carry
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:36:03 PM EDT
In case you haven't noticed, all the readily available military type semis that are made in the US have cheap foreign parts and parts kits available.

There are no FAMAS parts kits on the market...or even any parts. Thus, no demand for US receivers/barrels, no complete rifles.

It's the same reason we don't have US made Valmets, SIG AMTs, FNCs, etc.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:36:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cyclone:
I have always heard that Le Clarion was pretty dependable........more so than the L85 the Brits carry



That's why I've heard too.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:38:19 PM EDT

Same reason nobody manufactures a Stg 44 semi-auto.


In the absence of any "parts kits" you'd have to manufacture the ENTIRE thing from scratch. That would be insanely expensive - and someone would have to have a pretty large guaranteed market before they would start doing that.

How much would you be willing to pay? And how many people would be willing to pay it?


(Assuming they could even get all of the blueprints, specs, etc. And assuming it would even be legal - is there some kind of intellectual property right that the manufacturer might own?)
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:40:23 PM EDT
The Brits have the L85, the French have the FAMAS abd the Germans have the G36- and they all want M4's.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:41:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kk7sm:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The real question is why did someone in France make one in the first place.



Same reason as they made Renaults and Citroens.


I think the USA military is not ready for a bullpup-style weapon. The Frenchies, Brits, & Aussies could've save themselves a bunch of money by just buying the Steyr AUG if they wanted a bullpup-style weapon, but I think a bit of nationalism got in the way.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:41:39 PM EDT
I would be willing to pay at least $1000 for one.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:45:09 PM EDT
Because they're gay, and so are you.

Seriously, not only is it a bullpup, but it's ugly and french.

The real answer is "Because almost nobody wants one".
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:47:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/17/2006 5:47:20 PM EDT by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By kk7sm:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The real question is why did someone in France make one in the first place.



Same reason as they made Renaults and Citroens.




Seriously, how many here have actually driven in a Citroen??

I don't love the french, but I feel compelled to point out (just for the record) that in the late 1970s, my family owned a Citroen 2400CX, and it was the most awesome car ever. Like all french cars, it certainly rusted faster than german cars - but it was way more awesome than any german car at the time (in terms of style, interior, comfort, ameneties, etc), and I'd say it was far more technologically advanced.

Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:48:29 PM EDT
Gay? Hey Elcamino, I'm not the one with William Shatner (AKA Capt Kirk) as my avatar!
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:49:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jeff556:
I would be willing to pay at least $1000 for one.



My guess is that you'd have to find a bunch of people willing to pay three to five times that to even get someone interested in trying to make one - and it probably still wouldn't work.


Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:50:33 PM EDT
an aside: How do you "say" or "pronounce" FAMAS?

"eff, ay, moss"?
"famous"?
"fah moo"?

help a brother out
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:51:45 PM EDT
Because Bullpup's don't sell in America.
Steyr AUGs didn't sell well here until after the importation ban, now they are big bucks. Even Bushmaster has now given up on their Bullpup, and that was a company icon.


You "really" want a Bullpup? Get a Ruger Mini-14 and a Muzzlelite Bullpup stock, when you get tired of it both parts are resaleable.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:52:06 PM EDT
Same reason nobody in the US makes canned haggis.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:53:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jeff556:
Gay? Hey Elcamino, I'm not the one with William Shatner (AKA Capt Kirk) as my avatar!



You take that back about Shatner!
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:53:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/17/2006 5:53:53 PM EDT by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:
Same reason nobody in the US makes canned haggis.



Or decent blood sausage or herring in curry sauce, dammit!!



Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:54:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kk7sm:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The real question is why did someone in France make one in the first place.



Same reason as they made Renaults and Citroens.



You don't follow F1 I take it...
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 5:55:55 PM EDT

an aside: How do you "say" or "pronounce" FAMAS?

"eff, ay, moss"?
"famous"?
"fah moo"?

help a brother out



Er, 3 strikes and you're out. I've never heard it pronounced anything other than "fah-moss"
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:00:24 PM EDT
French products don't do that well in the US, and I would imagine a French produced (can't happen now) or designed and built here (very unlikely) wouldn't sell very well to the gun community. The French did a much better job with their bullpup than the British, but that doesn't mean anything on the US semi auto market. I'd love to have one, and passed up on previously "insane" prices that are now much smaller than the going rate for one of the very few Century examples, but I doubt there are that many that really want one...
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:01:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By boltcatch:

an aside: How do you "say" or "pronounce" FAMAS?

"eff, ay, moss"?
"famous"?
"fah moo"?

help a brother out



Er, 3 strikes and you're out. I've never heard it pronounced anything other than "fah-moss"



Now for extra credit, how does one pronounce GIAT?
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:02:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ElCamino:

Originally Posted By Jeff556:
Gay? Hey Elcamino, I'm not the one with William Shatner (AKA Capt Kirk) as my avatar! hr


You take that back about Shatner!



Whoa big fella...Don't arm the photon torpedoes!
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:03:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By kk7sm:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The real question is why did someone in France make one in the first place.



Same reason as they made Renaults and Citroens.




Seriously, how many here have actually driven in a Citroen??

I don't love the french, but I feel compelled to point out (just for the record) that in the late 1970s, my family owned a Citroen 2400CX, and it was the most awesome car ever. Like all french cars, it certainly rusted faster than german cars - but it was way more awesome than any german car at the time (in terms of style, interior, comfort, ameneties, etc), and I'd say it was far more technologically advanced.



with that goofy hydraulic suspension system, with individual pumps for each corner! Set-up, not to counter the momentum of the car in a corner, oh no, its set-up keep the car level in the corners (!), regardless of how fast you were going And, if one pump goes "bad' or even out-of-sinc with the other's, then corners became REALLY interesting.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:06:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By squeezecockerp7m8:

Originally Posted By boltcatch:

an aside: How do you "say" or "pronounce" FAMAS?

"eff, ay, moss"?
"famous"?
"fah moo"?

help a brother out



Er, 3 strikes and you're out. I've never heard it pronounced anything other than "fah-moss"



Now for extra credit, how does one pronounce GIAT? hr


Zhee-aht?
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:09:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The Brits have the L85, the French have the FAMAS abd the Germans have the G36- and they all want M4's.



I would take a G36 over an M4.

Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:12:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By glockguy40:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The Brits have the L85, the French have the FAMAS abd the Germans have the G36- and they all want M4's.



I would take a G36 over an M4.




Now you went and done.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:15:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By glockguy40:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The Brits have the L85, the French have the FAMAS abd the Germans have the G36- and they all want M4's.



I would take a G36 over an M4.




+1

and i too want a FAMAS then agin i want one of every gun ever made since ww2.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:24:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Jeff556:

Originally Posted By squeezecockerp7m8:

Originally Posted By boltcatch:

an aside: How do you "say" or "pronounce" FAMAS?

"eff, ay, moss"?
"famous"?
"fah moo"?

help a brother out



Er, 3 strikes and you're out. I've never heard it pronounced anything other than "fah-moss"



Now for extra credit, how does one pronounce GIAT?



Zhee-aht?



Sheeeit, dawg.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:30:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By squeezecockerp7m8:
French products don't do that well in the US, and I would imagine a French produced (can't happen now) or designed and built here (very unlikely) wouldn't sell very well to the gun community. The French did a much better job with their bullpup than the British, but that doesn't mean anything on the US semi auto market. I'd love to have one, and passed up on previously "insane" prices that are now much smaller than the going rate for one of the very few Century examples, but I doubt there are that many that really want one...



Sounds like we need a poll!
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:36:34 PM EDT
WHATEVER!! FAMAS would sell like hot cakes, lots of people would love one and their sweet bullpups. The reason why US bullpups dont sell (IN CASE YOU HAVENT NOTICED) they all look like the butt end of a cat thats been run over by a mac truck. And Cits are kewl cars!

I'd buy one, and if im not mistaken I had heard or seen some ad about CAI going to be making them? Anyone else heard a hint of this? Not that I'd ever buy a CAI product but maybe itll get the fire lit.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:38:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By glockguy40:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The Brits have the L85, the French have the FAMAS abd the Germans have the G36- and they all want M4's.



I would take a G36 over an M4.




Wow I think we found a closet frenchman.

Only an uber-ghey frenchman would prefer that melt-o-matic over the tried and true M4.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:40:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ElCamino:
Because they're gay, and so are you.

Seriously, not only is it a bullpup, but it's ugly and french.

The real answer is "Because almost nobody wants one".



+1 The US really isn't ready for a gay gun yet.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:50:01 PM EDT
Because of this


Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:55:39 PM EDT
I could never order a FAMAS....I have a hard enough time ordering french fries.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:55:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/17/2006 6:57:22 PM EDT by DK-Prof]

Originally Posted By Lon_Moer:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Originally Posted By kk7sm:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The real question is why did someone in France make one in the first place.



Same reason as they made Renaults and Citroens.




Seriously, how many here have actually driven in a Citroen??

I don't love the french, but I feel compelled to point out (just for the record) that in the late 1970s, my family owned a Citroen 2400CX, and it was the most awesome car ever. Like all french cars, it certainly rusted faster than german cars - but it was way more awesome than any german car at the time (in terms of style, interior, comfort, ameneties, etc), and I'd say it was far more technologically advanced.



with that goofy hydraulic suspension system, with individual pumps for each corner! Set-up, not to counter the momentum of the car in a corner, oh no, its set-up keep the car level in the corners (!), regardless of how fast you were going And, if one pump goes "bad' or even out-of-sinc with the other's, then corners became REALLY interesting.




You're talking crazy - the car cornered fine. (In fact, the GTI handled better than most cars, even smaller ones)

The hydropneumatic suspension worked like a regular suspension, just more comfortable. It didn't "keep the car level" during cornering. It works the same as mechanical springs, yet was smoother and adjustable - adjustable so you could keep the car at the same height regardless of load, not to keep it level.


Anyway - it was an absolutely awesome car, and if you keep arguing with me, I'm going to stomp my feet and stick my fingers in my ears and go "LALALALALALALALALALAAAAAA!"



Link Posted: 1/17/2006 6:55:58 PM EDT
LOL!

Someone here has a real FAMAS. He posted pictures a while back (late last year?). He said that it is a fine weapon, very reliable. He likes it despite it's goofy looks.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 7:17:33 PM EDT
I have a partial kit. If anyone has parts let me know. I need a barrel and a print for the reciever, or a cut reciever.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 7:29:22 PM EDT
I took a long car trip in a diesel Peugot last year and it was an excellent car.

Availability of cheap part kits is the main reason. I can't remember ever seeing one for sale.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 7:32:32 PM EDT
Because:

1) They're ASS UGLY...

and

2) They're FRENCH...
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 7:44:08 PM EDT
I had a FAMAS. It was a nice little rifle but had problems:

The Iron Sights were crappy

The barrel was not chromed

Difficult if not impossible to put an optic on it
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 8:11:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Anyway - it was an absolutely awesome car, and if you keep arguing with me, I'm going to stomp my feet and stick my fingers in my ears and go "LALALALALALALALALALAAAAAA!"






For Pete's sake, don't do that ! The clatter of those wooden shoes on the floor is unbearable.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 8:16:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
The real question is why did someone in France make one in the first place.

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Link Posted: 1/17/2006 8:24:30 PM EDT
It is simply because they are teh suck.
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 8:38:35 PM EDT
citroen xsara WRC and
peugeot 307 WRC



good cars
Link Posted: 1/17/2006 9:06:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FLAL1A:

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:

Anyway - it was an absolutely awesome car, and if you keep arguing with me, I'm going to stomp my feet and stick my fingers in my ears and go "LALALALALALALALALALAAAAAA!"






For Pete's sake, don't do that ! The clatter of those wooden shoes on the floor is unbearable.




It's like Chinese Water Torture, but far worse!


Plus, if we need the water torture, we just tell that kid to pull his finger out of the dike.
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