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Posted: 1/14/2006 6:48:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 6:54:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 6:55:11 PM EDT by 22bad]
Apparently I was never exposed to "his later years"

That sounds more like quanellx or jackson or sharpton not like the MLK I read about
My favorite quote of his............

"I don't want you to borrow at the bank, I want you to LEND at the bank"
(That doesn't sound like someone calling for "redistribution of wealth")
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 3:21:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 4:44:40 AM EDT

...It is socially as cruel and blind as the practice of cannibalism at the dawn of civilization, when men ate each other because they had not yet learned to take food from the soil or to consume the abundant animal life around them. ...


I know this isn't the point of your post, but I don't think cannibalism has ever been a diet staple; AFAIK it is usually a religuous rite relevant to the defeat of an enemy.

You gotta have some respect for the man for challenging a white establishment, and while I agree that the best way for the black community to achieve equality is thru economic equality; I certainly can't support forced equality.
I had thought that Dr. King's message was to encourage blacks to rise economically on their own merit.
Maybe this is isn't exactly on point, either, and maybe I've just mis-perceived things, but I have always had the impression that MLK beleived that poor whites and blacks were natural allies, but despaired of ever getting the two groups to work together.

I did not know that he directly advocated a guaranteed income. Could it be that he was smarter than that, and just intentionally misrepresented the facts, like he did with cannibalism, to get the attention of his audience - giving them what they wanted to hear?
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 4:48:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/15/2006 4:23:44 PM EDT by AeroE]
Modern socialist ideas of wealth redistribution are no more than economic cannibalism; same thing, different time.

I don't recall ever hearing anything from or about MLK that would make me think he was a capitalist sort of preacher.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 5:59:25 AM EDT
I wouldn't think it too far of a stretch to say that perhaps he got a little off track towards his later years. Of course my own perception of him is limited to what I was taught as criteria in public schools in the 90's and what little actual reading I have done on him myself.

If MLK was around today saying the things that he said in his early days "don't GIVE me a job, allow me to EARN my job like you would any other man", (not verbatim) then Jesse Jackson and all the other racists would be protesting him and calling him an uncle tom. The type of propaganda used today in his name is such a far cry from his original message that it's sad.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 6:35:08 AM EDT
Hoover was right, MLK was a communist.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 6:37:49 AM EDT
That's very interesting. Didn't MLK profess to be a Christian? IIRC Jesus says "the poor will always be with you" Hmm.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 8:11:17 AM EDT
Black agitator MLK was a Marxist from the git-go. The FBI at the time, and other right thinking individuals knew it all along. He was anti-gun, pro VietCong and an anti-capitalist economic collectivist. He was a controversial entity until he was made a saint in the 1980's. Whenever ANY group or individual challenges the "White establishment" I always look upon them with suspect eyes.

If blacks wish to ever get ahead in this life, they should look up to and emulate superior men such as Thomas Sowell, Larry Elder, Clarence Thomas or Jesse Lee Peterson, and not some Communist rabble rouser who made a living and a name by instigating civil strife wherever he went.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 8:15:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/15/2006 8:17:51 AM EDT by raven]

Originally Posted By IllinoisGun:
Black agitator MLK was a Marxist from the git-go. The FBI at the time, and other right thinking individuals knew it all along.



I thought that the FBI knew about his socialist agenda to follow after the 14th amendment was extended to blacks (and BTW, that was a entirely righteous cause in my book, he was absolutely right about that) through wiretaps on King, hearing him talk to his confederates. Generally, accusations that King was a communist are written off as character assassination and attempts to discredit King and his civil rights crusading.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 10:04:58 AM EDT

"Redistribution of income so the poor can be economically equal with the rich."


Communisim - yeah, that'll work.

Actually, we already have a guaranteed income system in place - you go out, get a job, show up to your job, and then you are guaranteed to have income. If you want more income, get a better job, work more hours, or get a second job.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 10:45:37 AM EDT
IIRC, Richard Nixon (while president) proposed a guaranteed minimum income for all Americans. I think that was before he froze all wages and prices. Communism gets around.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 10:48:07 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/15/2006 10:48:33 AM EDT by TrijiCog]

Link Posted: 1/15/2006 2:47:49 PM EDT
The assumption, and it is wrong, is that the rich get rich at the expense of the poor.

The truth is, the poor do not do the things that will make them rich, or even moderately comfortable. They do the things that make them poor and keep them that way.

And if the rich were suddenly poor, it would bring a lot of middle income workers down with them. The rich SUPPORT the poor and many others.

Free-market economics rewards those who produce, and punishes those that don't. Everyone does better under this system, even the poor, because there is the rich and middle class to support them.

Taxation punishes, or discourages certain actions.

Socialism, by force, through taxation, seeks to punish those that produce, and reward those that don't by giving them someone else's money. Socialism thus rewards unproductive behavior, and and at the same time punishes productive behavior.

It is easy to see that under Socialism (and Nazisim, Communism, and all related "ism's") society can only become poorer and poorer. Look at Russia, Vietnam, Zimbabwe for just a few examples.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 5:12:12 PM EDT
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