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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Dozens Of Weapons Confiscated In ATF Raid - Former FFL selling firearms from home - VIDEO (Page 2 of 2)

Posted: 1/13/2006 12:12:14 PM EDT

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One at a time, the gun owners go down....

DING DING DING, we have a winner.

"We shall hang together or surely we will hang separately". I learned long ago gun owners have taken the latter.

Exactly right. In so many other threads the question posed is what happens when "they" come to get your guns, as if it's a nationwide coordinated sweep. It will be one by one, as foolish things are done (as, I believe, in this case), then more laws, and more individuals, then confiscations at traffic stops for "officer safety." Bit by bit.

Posted: 1/13/2006 12:20:06 PM EDT

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I hope I don't get a call cause I bought a gun from him.

Posted: 1/13/2006 12:20:33 PM EDT

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So they're going to "test" them to see if they're fully automatic. A little axle grease here, rub some sand paper there........ Voila!!! An illegal machine gun! Now quick - wash it all out before they see!

I hope none of his shoes are the type with laces...

Posted: 1/13/2006 12:25:22 PM EDT

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Two of the guns are being tested to determine if they are automatic weapons.

I'm sure they will be found to be so...use ammo with soft primers, inflict some wear on the internals, strap it to the bench with a rube goldberg contraption, and the rifle will be found to double or triple, thus making it an MG.
If that doesn't work, they can always charge him with constructive intent if he owns any shoelaces.

Ya know...its even simpler than that. Now the ATF says if there are MG specific fire control parts in the rifle its a MG. So, according to the ATF its not about function but parts whether or not they cause it to function as a true MG. This is just something they decided to enforce...its not law just administrative rule.

Posted: 1/13/2006 12:31:49 PM EDT

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Two of the guns are being tested to determine if they are automatic weapons.

I'm sure they will be found to be so...use ammo with soft primers, inflict some wear on the internals, strap it to the bench with a rube goldberg contraption, and the rifle will be found to double or triple, thus making it an MG.
If that doesn't work, they can always charge him with constructive intent if he owns any shoelaces.

Ya know...its even simpler than that. Now the ATF says if there are MG specific fire control parts in the rifle its a MG. So, according to the ATF its not about function but parts whether or not they cause it to function as a true MG. This is just something they decided to enforce...its not law just administrative rule.

If you really want to have some fun with that, there is a thread in the Legal forum regarding just that subject, particualrly concenttrating on M16 pars in an AR15. I know you're right, even though that isn't what the actual law says. But, the law doesn't really matter when it's the ATF rules and ATF agents at your door.

Posted: 1/13/2006 12:37:02 PM EDT

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"the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." This is a black or white issue. Live free or die.

This coming from someone residing in the People's Republic of Kommifornia?

You must have been there for a long time, and have all the exemptions, registrations, etc. in place ....

What, you think that people who reside in California because they were born here, their job told them to go there or have extended family here are automagically in agreement with our fucked up laws? For fucks sake man, take a look at our hometown forum or the calguns website. We take every chance we can to backdoor the firearms laws and change them if we can.

Hell, I was born in Mercy Hospital in San Diego to long line of Californians. Clearly my last name is Lennin.

Yet more eveidence that gun owners are their own worst enemy...

Not my point.

Now that I read what I wrote, it came across as disparaging when I really meant to make the point that it's not really quite so Black & White.

For that, I apologize. I was simply too tired to more eloquently and clearly express myself. Let me rectify this lapse in tact now.

If it were so simple as "Black and White - Live Free or Die!" then all of us gun owners would be dead from raising our arms against the government as it slowly increases the strangle-hold of restrictions on our rights.

More articulately - living under the rule of such a Socialist-agendized, Politically Correct government as found in California (hence the pejorative, "Kommifornia"), you can't afford to take such a myopic, singularly driven stance such as "Live Free or Die," as you would immediately be crushed by the existing brute of system that is already in place to infringe upon your rights.

I completely agree, the only effective way to change the system is incrementally and by undermining the existing ineffective flotsam of laws and regulations that make living in California so difficult. One can only hope that your incremental restorations of personal rights accumulates more quickly than the gun-grabbers can pass more infringements .

And for the record, if it were as Black-and-White as "Live Free or Die!" I would be dead right along side you. I lived in the Bay Area for 19 years, and my family has been in Mountain View since 1907 (I was born out of state while my parents were in college, but grew up in California since the age of 4).

I was even in Berkeley for the last 4 years I was in the state (you want to see a FUCKED up Socialist hippie experiment destined to fail? Go live in the University Students Cooperative Association - what an eye-opener!).

As soon as I had the facilities about me to understand how fucked California's laws are, my wife and I left to make a life for ourselves in a place that still respects our individual rights.

So in the technical sense, I guess I'm doing exactly as Gunplay says; instead of dying in California, smothered by all the assinine restrictive legislation and the oppressive overpopulation, we're Living Free in beautiful Nevada

Nothing wrong with moving, I moved most of my business to Vegas to avoid some of the draconian taxes in CA. I just refuse to be driven from my home, which I love. I might be the only gun toting neo-con left in downtown LA, but this is still America god damnit, and I don't respect any "law" that violates the basic tenants of liberty.

I just posted because it’s sobering to see how many people on this board have become desensitized to this sort of action. The ATFs "Laws" mean nothing; they are organized crime pure and simple, it makes me sick.

Posted: 1/13/2006 12:41:25 PM EDT

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The BATFE agent looked like a young GW.

Posted: 1/13/2006 5:31:26 PM EDT

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smells like a kerry / kennedy political push

Posted: 1/13/2006 9:27:31 PM EDT

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So they're going to "test" them to see if they're fully automatic. A little axle grease here, rub some sand paper there........ Voila!!! An illegal machine gun! Now quick - wash it all out before they see!

-K

They don't even have to wash it out. Who's going to see? People who know anything? The avarage shlump watching the evening news "Dey got one o dem gun nuts. Prolly trying to start a rebilootion!" "Hey, lookah dat, dey got a koopon at da Golden Corral!"

SO sad, but SO true

Posted: 1/13/2006 9:29:33 PM EDT

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The Freepster, (I bought my first gun from him)
So did I !!! I'm not worrried. It was all legit. Armalite I think, or maybe a Bushie...can't remember.

Posted: 1/13/2006 10:06:00 PM EDT

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I live maybe an hour away from his place. I always meant to get down there and check it out.

Maybe I'll hold off for a bit...

Posted: 1/13/2006 10:10:01 PM EDT

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Use my tax money to go find some real criminals.

Posted: 1/13/2006 10:22:54 PM EDT

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