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Posted: 1/11/2006 6:53:58 PM EDT
A friend of mine gave me an old laptop to replace my kids' older desktop PC.

He no longer has the Win XP discs. I want to wipe the hard drive and install my Win 98 that came with the desktop.

If I just format the C drive, will the laptop still be able to recognize the CD drive, so I can use it to install Win 98? Or is there something else I need to do?
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 6:55:30 PM EDT
How old is old?
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 6:56:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Riotgun:
A friend of mine gave me an old laptop to replace my kids' older desktop PC.

He no longer has the Win XP discs. I want to wipe the hard drive and install my Win 98 that came with the desktop.

If I just format the C drive, will the laptop still be able to recognize the CD drive, so I can use it to install Win 98? Or is there something else I need to do?



Your Win98 disks, are they a full install or just an upgrade?

Check the BIOS and see if it has an option to boot from the CD, if it does then if you have the Win98 full install you can just pop those in and boot from the CD. Delete all the partitions on the drive and create new ones. If it's old enough, it'll be FAT16 partitions, which you don't want. For Win98 you want to use FAT32.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 6:57:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
How old is old?



Dunno. It's an HP Pavilion N5430.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 6:58:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By Riotgun:
A friend of mine gave me an old laptop to replace my kids' older desktop PC.

He no longer has the Win XP discs. I want to wipe the hard drive and install my Win 98 that came with the desktop.

If I just format the C drive, will the laptop still be able to recognize the CD drive, so I can use it to install Win 98? Or is there something else I need to do?



Your Win98 disks, are they a full install or just an upgrade?

Check the BIOS and see if it has an option to boot from the CD, if it does then if you have the Win98 full install you can just pop those in and boot from the CD. Delete all the partitions on the drive and create new ones. If it's old enough, it'll be FAT16 partitions, which you don't want. For Win98 you want to use FAT32.



Yes, it's a full install that came with the desktop.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:00:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Riotgun:

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By Riotgun:
A friend of mine gave me an old laptop to replace my kids' older desktop PC.

He no longer has the Win XP discs. I want to wipe the hard drive and install my Win 98 that came with the desktop.

If I just format the C drive, will the laptop still be able to recognize the CD drive, so I can use it to install Win 98? Or is there something else I need to do?



Your Win98 disks, are they a full install or just an upgrade?

Check the BIOS and see if it has an option to boot from the CD, if it does then if you have the Win98 full install you can just pop those in and boot from the CD. Delete all the partitions on the drive and create new ones. If it's old enough, it'll be FAT16 partitions, which you don't want. For Win98 you want to use FAT32.



Yes, it's a full install that came with the desktop.



98 probably came with a startup floppy.. you would use that to format the drive and to make it boot and recignise the cd rom. then from there it is setup.exe
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:00:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Riotgun:
Yes, it's a full install that came with the desktop.



Yeah, if that's the case, check the BIOS first, make sure it has a CDROM boot option, set it to that if you need to, then just boot with the CDs and wipe the old partition, make a new one and install.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:00:28 PM EDT
Ya just stick in the XP disk boot to CD and kill the partition and reinstall..
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:03:55 PM EDT
If you want 98, you will need a bootdisk. Go to bootdisk.com, and you can get an appropriate bootdisk that will support the cdrom drive, there is a generic IDE driver that I am 99% sure will work for your computer.

Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:04:12 PM EDT
If it won't boot from the CD drive, you should use win 98 to make a startup disk. I really don't remember how to do this, but if you insert a floppy into a working computer running win 98, then right click the drive, select "format" and select the startup disk option.

boot the laptop with this disk, then install windows.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:05:34 PM EDT
If the laptop came with XP , it probably has a partition "D" drive

Should be enough room there to install win 98.

Then wipe the C drive , boot from D - and go from there.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:05:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mr_Whiskerz:
If you want 98, you will need a bootdisk. Go to bootdisk.com, and you can get an appropriate bootdisk that will support the cdrom drive, there is a generic IDE driver that I am 99% sure will work for your computer.




No, you don't. The CD will boot itself if your BIOS supports it.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:06:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AKsRule:
If the laptop came with XP , it probably has a partition "D" drive

Should be enough room there to install win 98.

Then wipe the C drive , boot from D - and go from there.



First time I've ever heard that one.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:09:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AKsRule:
If the laptop came with XP , it probably has a partition "D" drive

Should be enough room there to install win 98.

Then wipe the C drive , boot from D - and go from there.



Actually, the laptop came with ME. He lost the disk for that, and when he had some problems, he installed XP using the disk from his other laptop.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:10:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Riotgun:

Originally Posted By AKsRule:
If the laptop came with XP , it probably has a partition "D" drive

Should be enough room there to install win 98.

Then wipe the C drive , boot from D - and go from there.



Actually, the laptop came with ME. He lost the disk for that, and when he had some problems, he installed XP using the disk from his other laptop.



WinME is not an OS, it's a virus.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:12:46 PM EDT
You might have to delete the partition and create a new one if the Win XP that was previously installed used a NTFS file system.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:12:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By Riotgun:

Originally Posted By AKsRule:
If the laptop came with XP , it probably has a partition "D" drive

Should be enough room there to install win 98.

Then wipe the C drive , boot from D - and go from there.



Actually, the laptop came with ME. He lost the disk for that, and when he had some problems, he installed XP using the disk from his other laptop.



WinME is not an OS, it's a virus.



I once saw a list of evidence to back that up.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:13:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Engineer:
You might have to delete the partition and create a new one if the Win XP that was previously installed used a NTFS file system.



I would do it anyway just for a fresh start. But I'm like that.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:29:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By Engineer:
You might have to delete the partition and create a new one if the Win XP that was previously installed used a NTFS file system.



I would do it anyway just for a fresh start. But I'm like that.



Yeah, it usually works better that way. Also, before you nuke the O.S., look in device manager and write down the type of video card/network adapter/modem/sound card etc and look on the manufacturers website to make sure you can find Win98 drivers for them.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:32:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By AKsRule:
If the laptop came with XP , it probably has a partition "D" drive

Should be enough room there to install win 98.

Then wipe the C drive , boot from D - and go from there.



First time I've ever heard that one.


same here
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:33:09 PM EDT
OK, I'm going in...
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:34:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/11/2006 8:03:47 PM EDT by david_g17]

Originally Posted By WildBoar:

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By AKsRule:
If the laptop came with XP , it probably has a partition "D" drive

Should be enough room there to install win 98.

Then wipe the C drive , boot from D - and go from there.



First time I've ever heard that one.


same here



om, i thought win. 98 had to boot from the first partition on the drive or something?

XP can boot off of extended partitions, but 98?

eta: /sbin/fdisk /dev/hda
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:41:49 PM EDT
format c: /u /s
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:48:09 PM EDT
Just try to boot the 98 cd without changing anything. That will tell you whether it will boot or not without harming anything. It might even have utilities to reformat for you.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:58:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 9:34:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By cruze5:
format c: /u /s



Don't forget the /y switch.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 10:12:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Troy:
It's obviously been so long that many of you have forgotten that DOS-based Windows OSs (meaning: up to Win98SE) did not come on bootable CDs. You had to have a boot floppy disk with the IDE CD drivers loaded on it in order to install Windows from a CD.

WindowsNT-based OSs (including Win2000 and WinXP) have always been bootable from the CD.

There have been some WAREZ CDs made for Win98 that were made bootable with aftermarket utilities, but that's another discussion altogether.

Anyway, if the laptop came with WinME (the worst MS OS ever made!), then you really should install XP on it. And max out its RAM.

-Troy




Windows 98se is bootable from the CD
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 10:41:06 PM EDT
Yep, my OEM Windows 98SE cd is bootable.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 5:02:38 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ARMALITE-FAN:

Originally Posted By Troy:
It's obviously been so long that many of you have forgotten that DOS-based Windows OSs (meaning: up to Win98SE) did not come on bootable CDs. You had to have a boot floppy disk with the IDE CD drivers loaded on it in order to install Windows from a CD.

WindowsNT-based OSs (including Win2000 and WinXP) have always been bootable from the CD.

There have been some WAREZ CDs made for Win98 that were made bootable with aftermarket utilities, but that's another discussion altogether.

Anyway, if the laptop came with WinME (the worst MS OS ever made!), then you really should install XP on it. And max out its RAM.

-Troy




Windows 98se is bootable from the CD



+1

I use 98SE bootable cd's all the time at work. I would you have about a 75/25 chance that your 98SE cd is bootable.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 5:21:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By cruze5:

Originally Posted By ARMALITE-FAN:

Originally Posted By Troy:
It's obviously been so long that many of you have forgotten that DOS-based Windows OSs (meaning: up to Win98SE) did not come on bootable CDs. You had to have a boot floppy disk with the IDE CD drivers loaded on it in order to install Windows from a CD.

WindowsNT-based OSs (including Win2000 and WinXP) have always been bootable from the CD.

There have been some WAREZ CDs made for Win98 that were made bootable with aftermarket utilities, but that's another discussion altogether.

Anyway, if the laptop came with WinME (the worst MS OS ever made!), then you really should install XP on it. And max out its RAM.

-Troy




Windows 98se is bootable from the CD



+1

I use 98SE bootable cd's all the time at work. I would you have about a 75/25 chance that your 98SE cd is bootable.



Alot of "restore disks" for pcs are bootable, this is how the pc manufacture designed it, but an actual retail version or an OEM version from MS was not bootable, they both came with a boot floppy.


If this laptop came with ME on it, see what you can do for ram and run XP. if you max out at 256, then Win2K w/SP4 would be a great alternative. Avoid WinME at all costs
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 5:43:21 AM EDT
OK, I booted the 98 install disk from the CD drive, and it prompted me to format the C drive, which I did. There was no partition on the drive.

98 is installed and running, but I have some serious driver problems. I downloaded the drivers from the HP website, and I'm going to try and install them when I go home for lunch. Right now, my desktop size is 640x480 at 16 colors, the modem isn't recognized, and the keyboard is not working correctly. Hopefully the keyboard issue is a driver problem and I didn't FUBAR it when I was making a repair to the DC power jack.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 12:09:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By david_g17:
om, i thought win. 98 had to boot from the first partition on the drive or something?

XP can boot off of extended partitions, but 98?

eta: /sbin/fdisk /dev/hda



What I never heard of is WinXP automatically having a D: drive. That's crap. That's just his specific configuration.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 12:09:37 PM EDT
My Win98 is a real copy, not a recovery disk, not a WAREZ copy. It boots from the CD.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 5:12:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By david_g17:
om, i thought win. 98 had to boot from the first partition on the drive or something?

XP can boot off of extended partitions, but 98?

eta: /sbin/fdisk /dev/hda



What I never heard of is WinXP automatically having a D: drive. That's crap. That's just his specific configuration.



I've seen more than a few computers by Compaq and HP that partition the drive. Usually, the D: drive is essentially and on-board recovery disk so you don't have to mess with the CD.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 5:20:32 PM EDT
Download DBN (Dariks Boot and Nuke) to wipe your HD and any partitions. You shouldn't install one operating system over the other, particularly when going from XP back to Windows.

If you have a floppy to boot your PC from, then there is no need to do this: When you are ready to nuke/reinstall your operating system, restart your PC and enter into BIOS, change the boot order to CDROM, HDD, Floppy. Exit and save. After it boots up, insert your disc and restart again.
Now you can nuke/install your OS.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 5:25:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Riotgun:
OK, I booted the 98 install disk from the CD drive, and it prompted me to format the C drive, which I did. There was no partition on the drive.

98 is installed and running, but I have some serious driver problems. I downloaded the drivers from the HP website, and I'm going to try and install them when I go home for lunch. Right now, my desktop size is 640x480 at 16 colors, the modem isn't recognized, and the keyboard is not working correctly. Hopefully the keyboard issue is a driver problem and I didn't FUBAR it when I was making a repair to the DC power jack.



That's the worst thing about doing this.... All the freaking updating and driver searching!!! argh!!!
After you have everything up-to-date, a word of advice would be to go into the Device Manager and locate all of your drivers for a specific item and burn them to a CD so that you can do this much easier/faster next time.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 5:29:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PromptCritical:

Originally Posted By Fly-Navy:

Originally Posted By david_g17:
om, i thought win. 98 had to boot from the first partition on the drive or something?

XP can boot off of extended partitions, but 98?

eta: /sbin/fdisk /dev/hda



What I never heard of is WinXP automatically having a D: drive. That's crap. That's just his specific configuration.



I've seen more than a few computers by Compaq and HP that partition the drive. Usually, the D: drive is essentially and on-board recovery disk so you don't have to mess with the CD.



Ahh, I see. Yeah, specific config per manufacture. Interesting setup.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 6:19:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bob243:

Originally Posted By cruze5:

Originally Posted By ARMALITE-FAN:

Originally Posted By Troy:
It's obviously been so long that many of you have forgotten that DOS-based Windows OSs (meaning: up to Win98SE) did not come on bootable CDs. You had to have a boot floppy disk with the IDE CD drivers loaded on it in order to install Windows from a CD.

WindowsNT-based OSs (including Win2000 and WinXP) have always been bootable from the CD.

There have been some WAREZ CDs made for Win98 that were made bootable with aftermarket utilities, but that's another discussion altogether.

Anyway, if the laptop came with WinME (the worst MS OS ever made!), then you really should install XP on it. And max out its RAM.

-Troy




Windows 98se is bootable from the CD



+1

I use 98SE bootable cd's all the time at work. I would you have about a 75/25 chance that your 98SE cd is bootable.



Alot of "restore disks" for pcs are bootable, this is how the pc manufacture designed it, but an actual retail version or an OEM version from MS was not bootable, they both came with a boot floppy.


If this laptop came with ME on it, see what you can do for ram and run XP. if you max out at 256, then Win2K w/SP4 would be a great alternative. Avoid WinME at all costs



im afraid your wrong, i use OEM windows 98 cds EVERYDAY to flash bios's on computers. scan fat32 harddrives in dos. They ARE bootable
Link Posted: 1/13/2006 5:42:46 PM EDT
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