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Posted: 1/11/2006 12:47:31 PM EDT
I have yet to notice the Fargo guys with autos.
Whats the deal? Just saw one today in the grocery store. All these dudes
are carrying wheelguns.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:49:21 PM EDT
Not professional enough for a fo-tee.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:50:09 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SmilingBandit:
Not professional enough for a fo-tee.





Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:50:31 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:51:19 PM EDT
Fl law until VERY recently prohibited private securtiy guards from carrying autos.

Someone introduced a bill a while back to let them carry anything, I believe it passed but may not have taken affect yet- either that or habit makes them continue.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:51:53 PM EDT
Must be some kind of policy with armored car companies.

I've yet to see one of these guards with an auto pistol.

I know what i'd be carrying and a wheel gun wouldn't be it.

HS1
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:52:05 PM EDT
Usually companies supplied and/or the state restrcits weapons used by private security. In a few places, private security can only use 38s or 9mms. Where this is the case, its cheaper to outfit them with 38 revolvers than a semi. Afterall, those guys are more of a visual deterent than anything.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:53:32 PM EDT
When I lived in MT. I never saw an auto.
Thats sounds about right.
One would think if these guys ran into trouble their opposition
would be bringing massive amounts of full mags.
They seemed to be under equipted. Danged insurance companies.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:54:22 PM EDT
I bet JH is right...


I trust an auto, but personally, I think wheel guns are more reliable.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:56:20 PM EDT
Around here I've never seen them with anything but autos.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:59:32 PM EDT
Local law
Company policy
Liability insurance
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:01:06 PM EDT
Around here, the bank guards and armored car crews carry .357 Magnum revolvers, not .38's. The guard at my bank has the same gun as me (some sort of Taurus). I mentioned it to him one time and he's since gotten friendlier with me; even held the door for me instead of locking me out when I had to run in right at closing time. Normally if your ass isn't in the door, it doesn't matter how close you are, you get locked out.

Most of it is personal preference in firearms; they rarely encounter armed thugs, and when they do firepower is more desirable than ammo capacity.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:01:47 PM EDT
Any larger city is going to regulate what private security, ie Armored Car personal can carry. For example in Wichita, KS you can only carry certain brands. In St Louis you can't carry a 357 Magnum.

Far as the revolver thing goes, I like them for two reasons, the guys don't take care of them and autos need care. Second revolvers work through gun ports.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:02:31 PM EDT
I saw an armored car guy emptying a ATM machine in a convenience store a while back. He was carrying a Ruger P-89 with no mag in the weapon.

Not sure if the mag fell out and he didn't know it or if he just hadn't gotten around to buying a replacement.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:04:26 PM EDT
A lot of the guys will have 357 revolvers, but will only be carrying 38s in them. Just like police departments did.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:06:21 PM EDT
MINIMUM WAGE!
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:06:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Philadelphia_GunMan:
Around here I've never seen them with anything but autos.



+1

I think all of them around here carry either Glocks or Sigs.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:07:20 PM EDT
I walked past a guard doing a pickup at a supermarket in SoCal a couple of years ago and was stunned to see that he was carrying a 1911. An honest to God cocked-and-locked 1911, I shit you not.

I was so shocked that I didn't have time to ask him about it before he got in the truck.

Don't remember what company it was.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:08:42 PM EDT
A revolver barrel will fit through the littl firing ports better than an auto.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:13:27 PM EDT
Another factor here is it takes more training to be proficiant with an auto loader then a Wheel gun. Most of these companies pay little and spend as little as posssible for training.
After leaving the LEO job I did some high dollar secuity work, and I carried my 1911 many of the customers were not used to a rent a cop being qualified with anything other then a wheel gun.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:19:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By m193:
A revolver barrel will fit through the littl firing ports better than an auto.



So do shotguns. And your point.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:28:51 PM EDT
Old retired LEOs still carrying what they carried while in uniform. Companies too cheap to upgrade equipment and training. State regs in some locales as to what can be carried.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:31:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FrayBentos:
Fl law until VERY recently prohibited private securtiy guards from carrying autos.

Someone introduced a bill a while back to let them carry anything, I believe it passed but may not have taken affect yet- either that or habit makes them continue.



.38 & 9mm only in Florida.

493.6115 Weapons and firearms
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:35:49 PM EDT
I figured for reliability. They probably never are trained, the guns are probably never shot. Less chance of failure in case of actual emergency.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:35:50 PM EDT
autos or revolvers around here. No .357mag though.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:46:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ekie:
Second, revolvers work through gun ports.



+1
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 1:56:33 PM EDT
I have ammo and gun contrac6t with a couple of places here
guys can use whatever they want if they buy it
I sell them 60% 38 ammo 15% 9mm 10% 45 10% 40 5% 10mm
but if they do not have a gun they get a wheelgun, the companyjust purchased a bunch of 4" SS Taurus 357s as all their old SW and Rossi were simply failing apart
That said i would rather have a issue Taurus 357 than the Hi points and such you see some of the guys carrying
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:01:53 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:04:09 PM EDT
not too sure, but a lot of armored car services only pay like $8 an hour. ive seen a lot of private security guys making around that much that have to buy their own guns, and most of the time they have had some pretty shoddy stuff. ive seen some of the security guys around my work with old trade-in 38's, and even egyptian helwans and hipoints.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:07:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/11/2006 4:56:35 PM EDT by SS109]
One girl I know who works a Armored Car looks like Laura Croft and carries an H&K Tactical. What a cutie!

(No pics available, she knows how to shoot that .45 and I am too young to die.)
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:09:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Ekie:
Far as the revolver thing goes, I like them for two reasons, the guys don't take care of them and autos need care. Second revolvers work through gun ports.



Excellent point.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:19:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SGB:

s(theBrinksTrainer)gb



Did not know there was a Brinks guy here.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:20:44 PM EDT
While I think the firing port issue is a very valid point, I think it's silly that they aren't allowed to also carry autos if they want one. Especially CCW states where they could otherwise carry whatever they wished.

On the other hand, I think too much is made about semi-autos. They are more difficult to become proficient with and do require more TLC than a wheelgun. A good .38 or .357 and a couple speedloaders and I'd feel very well armed. Most 4" wheelgun hoster and carry real nicely during a long day in and out of the truck too.

And... not to knock autos, but a good wheelgun allows you to cock it and take a well-aimed shot with a superb SA trigger pull. Usually FAR better than most semi-autos afford you. Combine that with the easy-shooting ergonomic qualities of a good revolver and I don't see any disadvantage really...
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:22:02 PM EDT
I put in to work at one, never heard anything I would have perfered an auto.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:49:43 PM EDT
I worked P/T at Loomis for a while. When I started company policy was 38 loads. Before I left they started allowing 9 40 or 45's. Must be DAO or have a De -cocker on them. Speciffically stated no GLOCK. The had a nice intrest free loan policy for weapons or armor though.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 3:23:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SS109:
One girl I know who works a Armored Car looks like Laura Croft and carries an H&K Tactical. What a cutie!



Pics please.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 3:32:24 PM EDT
I would think for several reasons:

Insurance reasons

Generally cheaper

Easier to maintain

Insurance reasons

Revolvers are not affected by magazine capacity laws

Link Posted: 1/11/2006 4:13:12 PM EDT
Probably because they get paid shit, and can't afford a good semi-auto? A buddy of mine just got out of that buisness.....After five years, he was only making like $12 an hour!!
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 4:17:32 PM EDT
Around my area ive seen Glocks, Sigs and 1911's. Along with revolvers.....
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 4:43:25 PM EDT

Originally Posted By daemon734:
not too sure, but a lot of armored car services only pay like $8 an hour.




I would not put my ass on the line for 8 bucks an hour
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 4:51:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MTUSA:

Originally Posted By daemon734:
not too sure, but a lot of armored car services only pay like $8 an hour.




I would not put my ass on the line for 8 bucks an hour



Think of the job hazards like shooting yourself in the leg inside your patrol SUV in front of the mall

Security is like any other field. There are cheap guys and there are high end expensive guys.

Training cooresponds.

We need pics of the HK Corft lookalike.

We need some HK tactical Porn
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 5:09:40 PM EDT
Becuase they don't give them ammo and most people can tell if there's not a magazine in an automatic.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 5:11:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Princeton:
MINIMUM WAGE!



Yep.
Based on ads I've seen in the paper, those folks are only makin' like $7 an hour.
Revolvers are cheaper, almost maintainance free, & idiot proof.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 5:12:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MTUSA:
I have yet to notice the Fargo guys with autos.
Whats the deal? Just saw one today in the grocery store. All these dudes
are carrying wheelguns.



What's the deal? The deal is that real men carry revolvers.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:25:29 PM EDT
Simple answer really. The same reason that most security companies only issue .38 Special revolvers (unless a contract specifies something else). They are cheaper, and easier to train on. Any other answer is really just a cover or excuse. I've been a security guard for about a decade, and every company I've worked for that had to issue it's it's own weapons issued 38's for that reason. Other than some contracts that required something else, mostly federal contracts.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:30:51 PM EDT
they need em dead faster?
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:43:36 PM EDT
I work for Loomis in Las Vegas and the only guys carrying revolvers are the NEW guys and the realy OLD guys. Everyone else carries autos.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 7:47:17 PM EDT
when you only get paid 8 bucks an hour and drive around in a paper thin "armored" truck, why not?
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 11:42:46 PM EDT
Another vote for cheap companies.

What worries me more about the armored car guards around here is that as far as I can tell they don’t carry any extra ammo. Their gear seems to consist only of a revolver, holster, belt, and a bunch of keys.

Actually, I do know a local company which does security for a federal agency and which issues its folks semi’s – specifically S&W Sigma’s. I think I’d prefer a revolver.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 6:51:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By the_great_snag:
While I think the firing port issue is a very valid point, I think it's silly that they aren't allowed to also carry autos if they want one. Especially CCW states where they could otherwise carry whatever they wished.



In most states, your CCW is not valid for security work. You typically need yet another license for that.

In Florida it's the "G" armed guard license. The CCW is a class "W" license.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 6:56:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By m193:
A revolver barrel will fit through the littl firing ports better than an auto.



+1

thats what they told me 20 years ago when I interviewed for driver
Did not take job
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