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Posted: 1/11/2006 12:12:31 PM EDT

A family member is about to be out after having been in for two years. I'm just wondering what it's going to be like for him, and for the family. Any of you have any experience?
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:18:57 PM EDT
Take him to a hooker ASAP.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:23:07 PM EDT
Tag. I'd be curious to know.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:30:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Take him to a hooker ASAP.



+1 with lots and lots of beer and fast food
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:32:23 PM EDT
I'd guess it's a lot like the day you discovered masturbation.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:34:08 PM EDT
PM me if you really want to know and not just trying to stir shit.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 12:35:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By richardh247:
PM me if you really want to know and not just trying to stir shit.



IM sent
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:42:25 PM EDT
Im replied. Kind of confusing, as I just spent 2 fucking hours typing you a reply, only to find out we have a 4,000 limit for IM's. So I just started deleting instead of sending multiple PM's... DUH!

But in all fairnss, I am getting drunk.

So I migt have better replies for you tomorrow, brother. Sorry, but it has been a rough day.

I will tell you, honestly, that I am praying for you and your family.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 2:50:47 PM EDT
well when i worked there you got released at 9am with a bag of your personal effects and a check for whatever money you have left from the little job you had working there
Most every guy said the first thing they were gonna do is go to McDonalds and then to a strip club
then about 6 months later they were back
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 3:04:27 PM EDT
lots of them have very serious problems. For one thing, they have been in an environment where nobody behaves like people do on the outside. You can't really trust anyone on the inside, so he may have trust issues when he gets out.

Chances are he will have a tough time finding decent employment. He will have to have the personal fortitude and support from others to get through the first couple of years until he can find a decent long-term job.

It is rough for a lot of them to just make the personal transition back to the outside. Odds are probably fifty-fifty that he will reoffend, unless he can get through the problems of relating to people and finding decent work.

There are various organizations that help with that sort of thing. You can probably find some in your area. The main thing is -- get him into an environment with semi-normal people and keep him doing something productive -- whether he is employed or not -- so he starts to feel that he can make it work.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 3:04:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
well when i worked there you got released at 9am with a bag of your personal effects and a check for whatever money you have left from the little job you had working there
Most every guy said the first thing they were gonna do is go to McDonalds and then to a strip club
then about 6 months later they were back



Yep. Everyone did just that.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 3:34:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By richardh247:

Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
well when i worked there you got released at 9am with a bag of your personal effects and a check for whatever money you have left from the little job you had working there
Most every guy said the first thing they were gonna do is go to McDonalds and then to a strip club
then about 6 months later they were back



Yep. Everyone did just that.



LOL
I was being humorus but a big chunk of the guys getting out I talked to were going to go one place or the other
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 3:48:00 PM EDT
i did 30 days about 10 years ago (18) for a misdemeanor, not too hard of a transition there. just hit an all night taco place when i got out and concieved my firstborn when i got home... i moved past it and went right back to normal life.


my best friend did 2 years, finishing up his sentence about 5 months ago. he didnt have too hard of a time readjusting, the hardest part was avoiding the people and lifestyle that got him sent there in the first place. hes doing a lot better now though. sometimes people that drink a lot or do drugs have a hard time not falling back into it when they get released right back into the same environment they came out of.

the main reason people go right back all the time is because nobody just does a jail sentence nowadays, they are always on several years of probation/parole when they get out and always end up going back for some piddly violation. telling a grown man he cant drink a beer, especially one that may have given up smoking pot or another mediocre vice and is truly moving on with his life, is kind of rough.

theres also a big difference in adjustment depending on where they did their time. if they were locked up for several years with a bunch of hardcore motherfuckers they end up kind of brainwashed, taking on a hardcore persona themselves. also a lot of them are so racially segregated on the inside that they cant get past that when they get out, even if they werent that way before they went in.

in all, id say 70% of the people i work with and who live in my area have been to prison at some point, which is why i spend a lot of time on the internet discussing my gun hobby....because its pretty much illegal for me to find friends interested in it locally.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 3:58:42 PM EDT
I spoken with a few ex-inmates (would say ex-cons, but even they know they'll be going back in), that liken'd it to being reborn.......with a sore asshole.

MLW>"<
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 4:01:40 PM EDT

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Take him to a hooker ASAP.



Male or Female?
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 4:17:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SOCOM-16:

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Take him to a hooker ASAP.



Male or Female?



I recommend a genuine biological Female.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 4:18:35 PM EDT
probably better then going into prison.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 4:19:37 PM EDT
Ask someone recently divorced.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 4:34:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Take him to a hooker ASAP.



Yeah, just be sure it is not an undercover cop....he will be right back in....poor bastard.
Link Posted: 1/11/2006 4:39:56 PM EDT

Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:

Originally Posted By richardh247:

Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:
well when i worked there you got released at 9am with a bag of your personal effects and a check for whatever money you have left from the little job you had working there
Most every guy said the first thing they were gonna do is go to McDonalds and then to a strip club
then about 6 months later they were back



Yep. Everyone did just that.



LOL
I was being humorus but a big chunk of the guys getting out I talked to were going to go one place or the other



I know, bro... Relax. I am just drunk and picking at you.

Beer is on me, bro!
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 1:02:37 AM EDT
My step dad did a few stretches .
First two where long before he became my step dad .

Number 1 was a plane full of drugs in Miami.
Said FU to turning states evidence and did his time .
Got out ,got a job , got in a fight one night . Right back in .
Number three was a totally fucked up situation that really made me leery of the legal system .
Long story short , He really was innocent of that one , but the ten years they gave him killed him inside and out .
They let him out early because he was dying .

I didn't really see him when he got out but my mom said the hardest part for him was to learn that he could go to the bathroom when ever he wanted , he could eat when ever he wanted , and he didn't have to stand in front of doors and wait for some one to buzz him through .

Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:39:44 AM EDT
Be flexible and patient. The fact that they have family at all will be helpful, along with any real friends.
I wrote this a few years ago for a friend that did 17 years. Good luck to 'em.

"There are habits in prison; of demeanor, or courtesy, of speech, or actions, that, over the period of time spent in a long sentence, can stand a person in good stead. They can see a man through and help them to survive. These are habits that, within the climate of a prison, are socially acceptable. However, those who will be released into the very different public society would do well to reflect on the fact that some of these worthwhile habits can immediately become less worthy and may become downright dangerous on the outside. For example, the coarse form of respect that men living in close proximity must necessarily give and receive will be absent from the dealings they should expect to have with most segments of the population. Whether they have been locked up for one year or twenty, generally, young people will be less respectful, salespeople will be less knowledgeable, business will be more impersonal, everyone will seem to be in a hurry, and few people will seem to place value on their own word...let alone yours.
I am not suggesting that one throw out the values that any true man should hold dear or that helped maintain a personal sense of self-worth. Only that you also adopt a certain patience and calmness as you observe and take stock of where you now (or soon will) find yourself. You may decide that you no longer assign the same importance to some of the things that you once held dear. A finely crafted saddle is a work of art but, an old horseman who will not ride again may keep his memories without literally “saddling” himself, carrying one around forever. A boatman who walks far inland may reach a point where his beloved pair of oars are merely a burden that marks him as strange and out of place to all who see him. "
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 3:57:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By KAINAM-13:

Originally Posted By California_Kid:
Take him to a hooker ASAP.



+1 with lots and lots of beer and fast food



I dunno, it seems most prisoners have more sex than I do, although it tends to be the buggery kind.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:04:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/12/2006 4:10:47 AM EDT by npd233]
Walking through the Prison.

[Jake is escorted by two Guards down a jail hall.]

Prisoner: Hey!!

In The Parole Office.

Guard One: Well, this is it.

[He opens the door and all three of them enter the room]

7474505B
Guard Two: What wing?
Guard One: Maximum wing, block 9.
Guard Two: Standard release?
Guard One: Parole, 3 out of 5, good behaviour.
Guard Two: Gimme a minute...

[He gets Jake's belongings.]

One Timex digital watch, broken. One unused prophylactic. One soiled.

[Outside view of Elwood pulling up to the jail entrance.]

One black suit jacket. One pair of black suit pants. One hat, black. One pair of sunglasses. Twenty three dollars and seven cents. Sign here.

[Jake signs an "X" on the form.]

Click here before continuing to read.

[Opening Credits start rolling.]

Song: She Caught the Katy (background music)

Jake and Elwood in the Car.

Jake: What's this?
Elwood: What?
Jake: This car. This stupid car. Where's the Cadillac? The Caddy? Where's the Caddy?
Elwood: The what?
Jake: The Cadillac we used to have. The Blues Mobile!
Elwood: I traded it.
Jake: You traded the Blues Mobile for this?
Elwood: No. For a microphone.
Jake: A microphone? Okay I can see that. Well, what the hell is this?
Elwood: This was a bargain. I picked it up at the Mount Prospect City Police auction last spring. It's an old Mount Prospect Police Car. They were practically giving them away.
Jake: Well, thank you pal, the day I get out of prison, my own brother picks me up in a police car.

[Fog horn and warning bell sounds.]

Elwood: You don't like it?
Jake: No, I don't like it.

[Elwood drives over a raising draw bridge.]

Jake: Cars got a lot of pick up.
Elwood: It's got a cop motor, a four hundred and forty cubic inch plant, it's got cop tires, cop suspension, cop shocks, it was a model made before catalytic converters so it'll run good on regular gas. Whaddya say? Is it the new Blues Mobile or what?
Jake: Fix the cigarette lighter.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:20:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:52:58 AM EDT

Thanks for the replies.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 5:20:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By daemon734:

in all, id say 70% of the people i work with and who live in my area have been to prison at some point, which is why i spend a lot of time on the internet discussing my gun hobby....because its pretty much illegal for me to find friends interested in it locally.



Where the hell do you live & work at where those numbers are so extremely high ?

I do not think I have ever lived / worked somewhere that the % ex-cons was maybe one in a thousand = .01 %

I ain't busting your balls, so please don't take this in the wrong text. I am baffled as to why there are so many ex-cons around you in your community as well as your place of employment ??
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 5:36:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/12/2006 5:43:30 AM EDT by daemon734]
i live on the eastside of san antonio. over here it seems even the little old ladies have sordid pasts.

i work in a bar/nightclub complex, and have bartended in lots of restaurants as well. the place i just quit from after two years was a hip hop nightclub in the shitty part of town, it was quite an experience. well i worked those gigs up until last week, i am now joining the army.


the main prostitution/crack drag was about three block from my work, and i only live maybe a mile and a half away. i worked in a restaurant for 6 years in the same area of town, where the only people without felony convictions were me and the managers. our dishwashers were literally crackheads off the street. i have been content in that i own my own home, and the actual neighborhood i reside in isnt too bad, even if its surrounded by garbage on all sides. believe me, ive lived in worse.

that said, i had quite a colorfull past as a kid but i moved past that long ago. thats why i tend to frequent the internet so much, because with my local friends i legally have to keep my gun hobby seperate. its going to be nice in the army actually knowing people who you can go drinking with without worrying if they are going to revoke their parole the next day.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 5:55:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By daemon734:
i live on the eastside of san antonio. over here it seems even the little old ladies have sordid pasts.

i work in a bar/nightclub complex, and have bartended in lots of restaurants as well. the place i just quit from after two years was a hip hop nightclub in the shitty part of town, it was quite an experience. well i worked those gigs up until last week, i am now joining the army.


the main prostitution/crack drag was about three block from my work, and i only live maybe a mile and a half away. i worked in a restaurant for 6 years in the same area of town, where the only people without felony convictions were me and the managers. our dishwashers were literally crackheads off the street. i have been content in that i own my own home, and the actual neighborhood i reside in isnt too bad, even if its surrounded by garbage on all sides. believe me, ive lived in worse.

that said, i had quite a colorfull past as a kid but i moved past that long ago. thats why i tend to frequent the internet so much, because with my local friends i legally have to keep my gun hobby seperate. its going to be nice in the army actually knowing people who you can go drinking with without worrying if they are going to revoke their parole the next day.



Fantastic decision

Best of luck !
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 6:47:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By StrkAliteN:

Best of luck !



+1
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 7:07:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Striker:
What the outside will be like depends entirely on him. If he wants to stay out..it will be a world of opportunity. If he hasn't changed..then it will be a temporary change of scenery for him and probably a good drunk.



I know lots of them who wish that was really true. More like the direct opposite. Nobody loves a con and not many people are even willing to have them around.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 7:12:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By BeetleBailey:
Thanks for the replies.



Keep a close eye on this family member.

Trust is earned and noy given away for free.

if this person is or will be truly rehabilitated the odds for not reoffending after a short period of time is only about ten percent.

Thats only one in ten that walk out the front gate to freedom.

Prison nowadays is merely a finishing school for the repeat offender.

Make this individual accountable for their actions with tough love if nessesary.

Do not feel sorry for this person.

Many times when a offender is caught in the act of habitual crimminal behavior they might try several methods to get you to feel sympathy for them and their situation.

Please do not go there with them for nine times out of ten just like the statistics suggest you will get burned.

If you let this situation go unchecked you will quite possibly be victimized over and over like so many others who have tryed out of a good heart and noble intentions to help out in a loved ones period of transition into society.

Remember interpersonal relationships on the inside are built on three things;respect, mistrust and fear.

You can use these one or combinations of all to help you deal with this person if the need arises.

I learned these personallity traits pertaining to incarcerated individuals and the impact that prison life has on them as as a corrections officer on the midnight shift in a state jail here in texas some years back.

May God bless you in your endevor.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 7:22:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheCynic:
Ask someone recently divorced.



quality humor...
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 7:58:16 AM EDT

Originally Posted By wolfman97:

Originally Posted By Striker:
What the outside will be like depends entirely on him. If he wants to stay out..it will be a world of opportunity. If he hasn't changed..then it will be a temporary change of scenery for him and probably a good drunk.



I know lots of them who wish that was really true. More like the direct opposite. Nobody loves a con and not many people are even willing to have them around.



Finally, some fact. Glad you said it.

No offense, Striker, and I really hope you don't take it that way, but you haven't a clue. And yes, I know you are a DO.

I know what you were trying to say, and you are 100% correct that his attitude will dictate everything - but opportunities don't exist for anyone who served time. They are outcasts. They have to make their own oppotunities. What is open is only the way you view your past: did you learn, or do you still blame everything but yourself?

Nothing like being judged by the past. My best friend is a felon. He busted his ass when he got out, and he made it - but not one single person would hire him, or trust him, or had an ounce of respect for him until he earned it back through actions. Now he has a great wife, two adopted sons, 2 homes, and is a supervisor at a huge electrical contracting company here locally.

He fought every second and step of the way. The only opportunity was that which he made himself. I think that's what you meant to say, bro.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 8:29:02 AM EDT
interesting reads, thanks everyone.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 8:57:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By daemon734:
\in all, id say 70% of the people i work with and who live in my area have been to prison at some point, which is why i spend a lot of time on the internet discussing my gun hobby....because its pretty much illegal for me to find friends interested in it locally.



Where the hell do you live????
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 9:13:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LadyLiberty:

Originally Posted By daemon734:
\in all, id say 70% of the people i work with and who live in my area have been to prison at some point, which is why i spend a lot of time on the internet discussing my gun hobby....because its pretty much illegal for me to find friends interested in it locally.



Where the hell do you live????



Possibly a place called reality, where real people make mistakes and learn and move on from them, rather than claiming to be the perfectionist?

Why are you people so surprised at, and show such disdain for, the amount of people that at one time or another served jail time? 85,000+ members here and you think those with convictions are the minority? Hardly.

The real world is out there waiting, regardless of what people might claim.

Hell, I live in Phoenix, and 90% of the people I know have served time for one thing or another. 70% doesn't surprise me one bit. Just between Thanksgiving and New Years we had over 1,450 arrests for DUI in Phoenix alone - and yes, every single one of them will serve at least 24 hours. Those that tested at or above .15 will be serving 30 days for an extreme, and that was about 800.

I can't believe any adult here is so naive as to believe the majority are those who haven't been in the system for one thing or another. Hell, you can be arrested, prosecuted, and jailed for peeing on a tree on your own property with the BS PC laws these days! Now they list them as sexual predators for whipping out the ol cheese log and squirting a bush.

Beleive me, most people that say they've never been arrested are full of shit and just afraid of the impending rumors they know are coming.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 11:03:34 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/12/2006 11:03:54 AM EDT by TheCynic]

Originally Posted By richardh247:
Beleive me, most people that say they've never been arrested are full of shit and just afraid of the impending rumors they know are coming.


Sorry. I don't know a single person who has been in prison. I've lived in three states and in five different cities over the last 12 years. Go figure...
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 11:15:07 AM EDT
well he aint lying, its just getting easier and easier to become a felon these days.

the ridiculous amounts of probation/parole are almost useless as well, but they keep people in the system and under control. both the massive influx and new regulation and legislation that has come about as of late and the fact that when somebody commits a crime they cannot seem to allow them to simply get punished and move on, they must be monitored for excessive terms as well.

over 5 million adults were on probation/parole as of 2004. that number has a .5% growth rate, which is an additional 25K people being put on paper a year.

USDOJ stats


when everything becomes illegal, everyone becomes a criminal.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 11:16:45 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 11:16:59 AM EDT
don't let em in your house!

they'll steal your wives jewlry and drink all your cologne and mouthwash!
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 11:27:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LadyLiberty:

Originally Posted By daemon734:
\in all, id say 70% of the people i work with and who live in my area have been to prison at some point, which is why i spend a lot of time on the internet discussing my gun hobby....because its pretty much illegal for me to find friends interested in it locally.



Where the hell do you live????



If you lived in or near a black community, you could expect (statistically speaking) that about a third of the adult males over thirty had done prison time. That's just a national average.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 11:45:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By richardh247:
Beleive me, most people that say they've never been arrested are full of shit and just afraid of the impending rumors they know are coming.


Sorry. I don't know a single person who has been in prison. I've lived in three states and in five different cities over the last 12 years. Go figure...


I think people are inproperly interchanging getting arrested and doing a short time in jail and going to prison as the same thing. I'm willing to bet there are a whole lot of people on AR15.com and in your community that have been arrested and have spent time (an hour to a month or so) in jail but the vast majority will be for various misdameanors and they've never been to "prison". Two different things.

BTW-I had a friend go to prison for 3 years (and he's still there and having to do all 3) for beating a guy up during a bar fight that the other guy started. First offense. It's not that hard to be labeled a "violent felon" if you're not careful.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 12:06:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SC_00_05:

Originally Posted By TheCynic:

Originally Posted By richardh247:
Beleive me, most people that say they've never been arrested are full of shit and just afraid of the impending rumors they know are coming.


Sorry. I don't know a single person who has been in prison. I've lived in three states and in five different cities over the last 12 years. Go figure...


I think people are inproperly interchanging getting arrested and doing a short time in jail and going to prison as the same thing. I'm willing to bet there are a whole lot of people on AR15.com and in your community that have been arrested and have spent time (an hour to a month or so) in jail but the vast majority will be for various misdameanors and they've never been to "prison". Two different things.

BTW-I had a friend go to prison for 3 years (and he's still there and having to do all 3) for beating a guy up during a bar fight that the other guy started. First offense. It's not that hard to be labeled a "violent felon" if you're not careful.



I'm not. I used the term "arrested." Prison is a year or more and is state, while jail is county or city. Going to jail doesn't make one a felon, even though they are called an inmate. You are absolutely correct that they are two different things.

Like I said, peeing on a tree can get you arrested, at which time you are officially in the system. You go to jail, not prison, but most people don't know the difference and don't associate the two with different levels of public crimes.

These days, you can be arrested and thrown in the tank for just about anything. No, that's not cop bashing. It's just the way society is these days. The days of having 3 beers at the bar and driving home are over, boys. That's a good thing, but it puts a LOT of people in the system.

A guy I know was having a fight with his wife, and he lost his temper and punched a hole in the wall. Immature and stupid, yes. The police were called and he was arrested for, AND CONVICTED OF, domestic violence - for punching a hole in his own wall that he owned. $10,000 in lawyer bills later, he has a record as a "spouse abuser" and "convicted domestic assailant" and can never own a gun in this state. For punching his own wall (they never laid hands on each other).

If you don't think you'll ever be arrested, you'd better be researching the facts.
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 12:14:54 PM EDT

he could go to the bathroom when ever he wanted

Sorry for the stupid question, but why can't people in prison go to the bathroom when they want? Aren't there usually toilets in the cells? Do they have to ask to use them?z
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 4:02:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/12/2006 4:03:32 PM EDT by www-glock19-com]

Originally Posted By zoom:

he could go to the bathroom when ever he wanted

Sorry for the stupid question, but why can't people in prison go to the bathroom when they want? Aren't there usually toilets in the cells? Do they have to ask to use them?z


Duuno they were in the cells were I worked
stainless steel sink/toliet thingee no the shower is a diffrent story
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 5:22:32 PM EDT
Well, I just got out so I have to settle back in with society. Since I am a convicted felon now and cant get a good job I will have to commit a few robberies to get some cash. If I am lucky I can find a hottie to rape since I been locked up so long.
Damn.....I'm gonna need a car...I'll just jack one.....here she comes now...hmmm a hottie,
its a 2 for 1.

I read that something like 80% will return to prison within a year so this is a scenario for 8 outta 10 new releases....

Sad
Link Posted: 1/12/2006 10:30:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By zoom:

he could go to the bathroom when ever he wanted

Sorry for the stupid question, but why can't people in prison go to the bathroom when they want? Aren't there usually toilets in the cells? Do they have to ask to use them?z

Mainly cause he was at Raiford for a bit after he kept some kid from getting ass raped . There you didn't breath with out permission from the CO or you where in for a world of shit .
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 10:10:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By daemon734:
i did 30 days about 10 years ago (18) for a misdemeanor, not too hard of a transition there. just hit an all night taco place when i got out and concieved my firstborn when i got home... i moved past it and went right back to normal life.

my best friend did 2 years, finishing up his sentence about 5 months ago. he didnt have too hard of a time readjusting, the hardest part was avoiding the people and lifestyle that got him sent there in the first place. hes doing a lot better now though. sometimes people that drink a lot or do drugs have a hard time not falling back into it when they get released right back into the same environment they came out of.

the main reason people go right back all the time is because nobody just does a jail sentence nowadays, they are always on several years of probation/parole when they get out and always end up going back for some piddly violation. telling a grown man he cant drink a beer, especially one that may have given up smoking pot or another mediocre vice and is truly moving on with his life, is kind of rough.

theres also a big difference in adjustment depending on where they did their time. if they were locked up for several years with a bunch of hardcore motherfuckers they end up kind of brainwashed, taking on a hardcore persona themselves. also a lot of them are so racially segregated on the inside that they cant get past that when they get out, even if they werent that way before they went in.

in all, id say 70% of the people i work with and who live in my area have been to prison at some point, which is why i spend a lot of time on the internet discussing my gun hobby....because its pretty much illegal for me to find friends interested in it locally.



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Link Posted: 1/16/2006 7:07:33 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/16/2006 1:31:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/16/2006 1:33:49 PM EDT by wolfman97]

Originally Posted By Striker:

Things are a bit different up here I guess. Yes cons have that stigma attached to them when they get out but I have escorted quite a few out the main gate that never came back because when they left..they left with the attitude that they were going to make it.
Most had a job lined up before they got out and all of them had support from family.
Some had nothing but the clothes they were wearing.
Don't get me wrong..I have zero sympathy for anyone who ends up in prison because of actions or decisions they make and don't buy the "poor poor me" story for a second.
They have no more against them then the guy with a grade 8 education or minorities when it comes to finding a job IMHO. Whether or not they make it depends 100% on their attitude, self disipline and desire to make it.
I've escorted inmates to the main gate that swore they would never be back and I was locking them up 3 days later. The record at work for "being free" is around 4 hours I think.
If they leave with the right attitude..the world will be full of opportunity. No one said it would be easy for them but..nothing was ever handed to me on a silver platter either...



I think you haven't spent much time with them after they got out. Most of the ones I know who got out had nothing lined up for work when they walked out the gate -- how could they?

Just FYI, at Pelican Bay, the meanest toughest prison in California, they lock them down in solitary for years on end. Then when their day comes, they give them 200 bucks -- out of which they have to buy civilian clothes -- and drop them off at the local bus stop.
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