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Posted: 1/10/2006 7:27:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2006 7:37:45 PM EDT by LANCEMAN]
Who's gonna be the first person to get a Geely ? Will they be for sale at Wal-Mart ?



Geely Debuts China-Made Car in Detroit for U.S. Sales (Update2)

Jan. 10 -- Geely Automobile Holdings Ltd., China's first carmaker to display at the Detroit motor show, said its Free Cruiser compact car is undergoing U.S. road and emission tests and should go on sale for less than $10,000 by 2008.

``This is like a first step in a long march,'' Li Shufu, Geely's chairman, said in an interview at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit. ``This is one step for us to bring our car to the world.''

Geely has set a goal of selling 25,000 to 50,000 cars a year in the U.S. starting in 2008, said John Harmer, 71, vice president and chief operating officer of its U.S. unit. The Free Cruiser compact car, called 7151CK outside China, seats five passengers and is about the size of Honda Motor Co.'s Civic.

A front-window display at the biggest industry show of the world's largest vehicle market raises the brand's profile among customers and dealers. Geely, based in eastern China's Zhejiang province, follows Chery Automobile Co. and Changan Automobile Co. in trying to sell cars overseas, repeating the export strategy that helped Toyota Motor Corp. and Hyundai Motor Co. grow into two of the world's largest assemblers.

``They are saying: ``Well, if we stay at home, margins will decline and we have to know what it takes to compete globally, so let's get out there,'' said Mike Dunne, president of Automotive Resources Asia Ltd., in Shanghai. ``Geely and Chery are out there way ahead of everybody else'' in pushing for exports, he said.

China's Global Push

Geely shares rose for a fifth day today, advancing 3.7 percent to 42 Hong Kong cents at 10:05 a.m. in Hong Kong. The stock surged 29 percent in five days.

Chery Automobile Co., working with New York-based importer Visionary Vehicles LLC, said it will sell cars in the U.S. by next year. The two automakers were China's sixth and seventh largest by sales volume in 2004.

``Chinese carmakers are going on the same path as Japanese and South Korean assemblers by using their cheap costs and low prices to attract customers,'' said Yale Zhang, a CSM Asia Corp. analyst in Shanghai. ``They will gradually enhance their quality, build their brand image and introduce high-end products.''

Geely, profitable even when it sells vehicles at less than 70,000 yuan ($8,600) each, is taking advantage of wages that are 5 percent of Detroit's average pay to sell low-priced models. The company pays workers $3.50 an hour for wages and benefits, Geely's Harmer said. By contrast, members of the United Auto Workers union at General Motors Corp. earn $64 an hour.

``The UAW and GM may not like it, but we're in a global economy,'' Harmer said. ``The American consumer needs a high quality product that won't put them in debt for seven years, and that's what we're going to give them.''

Geely's Cars

Geely switched to assembling cars in 2000 after more than a decade of making refrigerator compressors, selling 5,000 cars overseas in 2004 out of a capacity of 200,000 units.

It's the largest Chinese automaker that isn't affiliated with the government. Geely specializes in low-price models, such as the 1.3-liter-engine Merrie with a base price of 33,000 yuan ($4,087).

Geely is aiming to export 1.3 million cars by 2015 out of 2 million it's aiming to produce, or about 2 percent of the estimated global market share. Li said. Total sales may rise to 200,000 units this year from 140,000 last year, he said.

On Every Road

``My dream is to see Geely cars on every road in the world, instead of letting cars from every other country clog Chinese roads,'' Li said on the carmaker's Web site.

Geely will have 25 to 50 dealers located along the east and west coasts of the U.S., said Harmer, a Salt Lake City lawyer who said he has done work for Chinese companies. The company will redesign the car to meet quality expectations of U.S. consumers, he said.

``I don't know if that's enough dealers,'' said auto analyst Rebecca Lindland at Global Insight Inc. in Lexington, Massachusetts. ``If you break down 200 miles from your home, nobody's going to know how you fix it.''

China will produce an automaker that can compete with Toyota all over the world within 10 years, Harmer said.

``That sounds too quick to me,'' said Lindland, who predicted Geely could experience similar growing pains as South Korea's Hyundai Motor.

Hyundai Motor opened a factory in Bromont, Quebec, in 1989 and shut it down five years later because of poor quality. The company opened its first U.S. plant in Montgomery, Alabama, last year.

Initial Success

Geely may already have won recognition from China's car buyers. The company in 2003 prevailed over Toyota in China's first legal dispute over the copying of vehicle designs and logos.

Toyota sued Geely in December 2002 for 14 million yuan, charging the Chinese company with using a logo on the hood, hub cabs, steering column and boot of its Merrie cars that resembled Toyota's stylized ``T'' marque. The Beijing Intermediate Court ruled in favor of Geely and ordered Toyota to pay court costs.

Toyota's spokeswoman Yang Hongjian said the company ``regretted the ruling'' while Geely's lawyer Wang Zhong described the verdict as ``fair'' and ``objective.''

Geely last week said sales through November rose 30 percent from a year earlier to 115,153 units.

The company is prospering without the support of a Chinese city or provincial government by building cars that customers want, Li said.

``Geely people have a spirit of fighting. That's what we rely on,'' he said.




http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000080&sid=aETQbHXXU4S8

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Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:30:22 PM EDT
I would build my own car before I had to buy/use one of those.

If I had to rent a car and they gave me one of those, I'd walk.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:30:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2006 7:31:20 PM EDT by WildBoar]

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN: The company will redesign the car to meet quality expectations of U.S. consumers, he said.

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lol. Most of Americas quality expectations are pretty darn low. Look at what Dodge, GM, and Ford have been marketing. Crap and folks keep buying it.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:30:28 PM EDT
I'll pass and get a GM car I can get fixed at any GM dealer and not have to worry about it breaking down.

IMO stuff from China, excluding weaponry is,
-cheap(do NOT confuse with inexpensive)
-disposable
-could be easily breakable and not reliable.

Cars shouldn't be the above, except they should be inexpensive.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:30:56 PM EDT
This one is kinda cool looking
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:31:33 PM EDT
if anyone here buys a Geely and admits to it, you should be banned from AR15.com!!!
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:32:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FieroLoki:
This one is kinda cool looking
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Geely_Beauty_Leopard_at_IAA_2005.jpg


bah, it's allright.

and I'm out for the night.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:32:33 PM EDT
Interior of the sub $10k car doesnt look to bad either...

Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:35:52 PM EDT
If it comes with 20 Polytech type 56 rifles I may get one.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:36:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FieroLoki:
This one is kinda cool looking
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Geely_Beauty_Leopard_at_IAA_2005.jpg



That's their sporty car from a German Auto Show, this is what they are bring here I think :

Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:40:03 PM EDT
My prediction:

They'll sell like hotcakes.

Americans like anything cheap.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:41:59 PM EDT
And so the death of America begins
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:42:23 PM EDT
I'll buy one before I buy a car made by a UAW plant

Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:45:19 PM EDT
How's it do in the quarter? Not so good? Well, better luck next time. I'll pass.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:45:23 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
And so the slow death of America begins continueshr


fixed it
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:46:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2006 7:47:08 PM EDT by Janus]

Originally Posted By deej86:
I'll pass and get a GM car I can get fixed at any GM dealer and not have to worry about it breaking down.

IMO stuff from China, excluding weaponry is,
-cheap(do NOT confuse with inexpensive)
-disposable
-could be easily breakable and not reliable.

Cars shouldn't be the above, except they should be inexpensive.







GM is already selling a vehicle here with a Chinese made engine.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:46:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FieroLoki:
Interior of the sub $10k car doesnt look to bad either...

cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20051217&Category=BUSINESS01&ArtNo=512170304&Ref=AR&Profile=1014&MaxW=600&Border=1



That doesnt look any worse than the interior on my Wife's Chevy Slobalt. Which, by the way, has been back to the garage numerous times, for everything from the radio not working, to the paint coming off, along with a few mechanical issues.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:46:57 PM EDT

``This is like a first step in a long march,'' Li Shufu, Geely's chairman...




Is this some kind of a joke, or double entendre? This guy know ANYTHING about Chinese history or are they trying to tell us something?

Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:48:18 PM EDT
I will never buy one. Its bad enough that the cars we have on the market already have a great deal of their parts made in China, I certainly don't want to give any more of my hard earned cash to the number 1 national enemy of the United States (perhaps tied with Iran for that "honor").

If I have to get an asian import car I'll probably go with a Honda or Toyota. If I get an import from Europe Audi, BMW, Mercedes, Ferrari (hey, a guy can dream can't he?).
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:48:42 PM EDT
I was expecting a giant rat w/ a saddle!

Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:51:50 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tfod:
I'll buy one before I buy a car made by a UAW plant




lol

Have you looked under the hood of any UAW made car. Most of the parts are from somewhere outside of the US. They are just the folks that slap it together.

UAW may have built America at one point but it's going about their business to killing America.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:58:42 PM EDT


Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:59:24 PM EDT
I wonder if WalMart will sell those.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 7:59:58 PM EDT
ARFCOM Group Buy.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:01:05 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:01:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:02:09 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:04:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JBowles:

Originally Posted By FieroLoki:

Originally Posted By gaspain:
www.forum-auto.com/uploads/200509/damien249_1127408569_tedebi_1126684106_jiangling_landwind_xxl_tcm8_126403.jpg

www.forum-auto.com/uploads/200509/damien249_1127408595_landwind_crash.jpg




Thats an Isuzu Trooper....



No its ther copy of the trooper



No... it's an Isuzu Rodeo which was also sold as the Honda Passport.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:06:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By theliberating1:


No... it's an Isuzu Rodeo which was also sold as the Honda Passport.




AHHH!!! my bad... Brain fart.. Yeah, rodeo.....
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:06:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:
Who's gonna be the first person to get a Geely ? Will they be for sale at Wal-Mart ?


Geely Debuts China-Made Car in Detroit for U.S. Sales (Update2)

``This is like a first step in a long march,'' Li Shufu, Geely's chairman, said in an interview at the North American International Auto Show in Detroit. ``This is one step for us to bring our car to use as a weapon to win the world domination.''




That was all I needed to know about this bunch.

wganz

Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:07:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2006 8:09:00 PM EDT by out-a-ammo]

Originally Posted By theliberating1:

Originally Posted By JBowles:

Originally Posted By FieroLoki:

Originally Posted By gaspain:
www.forum-auto.com/uploads/200509/damien249_1127408569_tedebi_1126684106_jiangling_landwind_xxl_tcm8_126403.jpg

www.forum-auto.com/uploads/200509/damien249_1127408595_landwind_crash.jpg




Thats an Isuzu Trooper....



No its ther copy of the trooper



No... it's an Isuzu Rodeo which was also sold as the Honda Passport.



No, it's a Chinese SUV the Jiangling Landwind

Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:07:03 PM EDT
Predictions:

Years 1-4: Absolute crap.
Years 5-8: Passable quality, roughly comparable to Hyundai or Kia.
Years 9+: Indistinguishable from Toyota, Honda and Nissan, but sells for 25 percent less.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:07:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FieroLoki:
This one is kinda cool looking
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Geely_Beauty_Leopard_at_IAA_2005.jpg



Kinda cool looking? The car has fuckin' nostrils.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:08:29 PM EDT
dats a "jiangling landwind"

http://www.jmclandwind.nl/en/
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:09:31 PM EDT
No different from Toyota, Honda or BMW.

Hating anything American and sending American dollars abroad is the trend.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:11:48 PM EDT
The chicoms just steal others designs and ideas then make shitty copies.
Keep right on buying all that chinese shit, our dollars are building their empire.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:20:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By doc_Zox:
dats a "jiangling landwind"

http://www.jmclandwind.nl/en/



that is fawkin hilarious!!!!! First they try to pass the Honda PAssport off when it was nothing but an Isuzu Rodeo and now they try to market it a third time... Hilarious.

images.google.com/images?q=isuzu+rodeo&svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&start=20&sa=N
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:21:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CavVet:
No different from Toyota, Honda or BMW.

Hating anything American and sending American dollars abroad is the trend.



I would say it is different. My cousin works at a Toyota plant in Ky. Honda has a plant in Ohio and BMW has the 3 series plant in South Carolina.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:22:25 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:26:28 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cavu:

Originally Posted By CavVet:
No different from Toyota, Honda or BMW.

Hating anything American and sending American dollars abroad is the trend.



I would say it is different. My cousin works at a Toyota plant in Ky. Honda has a plant in Ohio and BMW has the 3 series plant in South Carolina.



I'm sure if the Geely is successful enough they might build some assembly plants over here, depends if it is better than their cheap labor at home. Now if we could just convince Norinco to build a US assembly plant
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:30:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Cavu:

Originally Posted By CavVet:
No different from Toyota, Honda or BMW.

Hating anything American and sending American dollars abroad is the trend.



I would say it is different. My cousin works at a Toyota plant in Ky. Honda has a plant in Ohio and BMW has the 3 series plant in South Carolina.




Not much different.

The profits go back to the respective foreign countires, and a higher percentage, since they arent sharing as much of the pie with ther neo-slave labor.


Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:30:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LANCEMAN:

Originally Posted By Cavu:

Originally Posted By CavVet:
No different from Toyota, Honda or BMW.

Hating anything American and sending American dollars abroad is the trend.



I would say it is different. My cousin works at a Toyota plant in Ky. Honda has a plant in Ohio and BMW has the 3 series plant in South Carolina.



I'm sure if the Geely is successful enough they might build some assembly plants over here, depends if it is better than their cheap labor at home. Now if we could just convince Norinco to build a US assembly plant



Chinese companys that make these are staffed by near-slaves. Will not be cost effective to build here.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:34:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Janus:

Originally Posted By deej86:
I'll pass and get a GM car I can get fixed at any GM dealer and not have to worry about it breaking down.

IMO stuff from China, excluding weaponry is,
-cheap(do NOT confuse with inexpensive)
-disposable
-could be easily breakable and not reliable.

Cars shouldn't be the above, except they should be inexpensive.







GM is already selling a vehicle here with a Chinese made engine.



Saw a Coleman generator today with a Subaru engine.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:34:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:
Chinese companys that make these are staffed by near-slaves. Will not be cost effective to build here.



The others that came here found a way to pay Americans (much less) to build cars, the Chinese will too.


And the others found a market full of people who hate American products and companies, and think one wheel is so much better than another, meanwhile financing the third world.


This market is ripe with the above and I predict they will be very successful.

I will go one step further and say I bet more than one Arfcommer will own one in short order of their debut.


Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:39:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
if anyone here buys a Geely and admits to it, you should be banned from AR15.com!!!



It will make the trips to Wal-Mart less expensive.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 8:57:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By Mattl:
Chinese companys that make these are staffed by near-slaves. Will not be cost effective to build here.



The others that came here found a way to pay Americans (much less) to build cars, the Chinese will too.


And the others found a market full of people who hate American products and companies, and think one wheel is so much better than another, meanwhile financing the third world.


This market is ripe with the above and I predict they will be very successful.

I will go one step further and say I bet more than one Arfcommer will own one in short order of their debut.





GM and nearly all car companies problem is what? And based around what?



Labor and the cost of and related too. Who do we thank for this problem the union. UAW specificly.
I do not believe unskilled uneducated moron who works one station on an assembly line driving the screw on successive cars deserves $25+ dollars an hour + free insurance + free gym membership + pension + god knows what else for doing a job any non-retard can do. I just do not see what they bring to the marketplace for that price which is passed to the consumer. Product quality is certainly no better. Also I think unions are generally corrupt and usually support socialism a failed model. Fuck the union, and deregulate and free the market to manage itself. However I am not saying let them off the hook for what they already committed too.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 9:01:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:

Originally Posted By armoredsaint:
if anyone here buys a Geely and admits to it, you should be banned from AR15.com!!!



It will make the trips to Wal-Mart less expensive.



If they bring a good product to market why not? For under $10K you cannot expect too much, but the Chinese occasionally turn out gems, their guns are great for the money. I just reminded myself of the $250 MAK 90 I passed up a few weeks ago now I am depressed
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 9:01:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DukeSnookems:

Originally Posted By gaspain:
www.forum-auto.com/uploads/200509/damien249_1127408569_tedebi_1126684106_jiangling_landwind_xxl_tcm8_126403.jpg

www.forum-auto.com/uploads/200509/damien249_1127408595_landwind_crash.jpg



What a selective memory we have:

Ford F150:
i32.photobucket.com/albums/d18/Total_Recoil/untitled.jpg



I believe that is an older model and the newer ones are fixed.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 9:04:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By FieroLoki:
Interior of the sub $10k car doesnt look to bad either...

cmsimg.freep.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?Site=C4&Date=20051217&Category=BUSINESS01&ArtNo=512170304&Ref=AR&Profile=1014&MaxW=600&Border=1



This coming from a guy who admits to owning a Fiero.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 9:10:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/10/2006 9:12:23 PM EDT by theliberating1]

Originally Posted By CavVet:

Originally Posted By Mattl:
Chinese companys that make these are staffed by near-slaves. Will not be cost effective to build here.



The others that came here found a way to pay Americans (much less) to build cars, the Chinese will too.


And the others found a market full of people who hate American products and companies, and think one wheel is so much better than another, meanwhile financing the third world.


This market is ripe with the above and I predict they will be very successful.

I will go one step further and say I bet more than one Arfcommer will own one in short order of their debut.





The fact of the matter is that American auto makers have been asleep behind the wheel for waaaaay too long. It's 2006 and we are just starting to see American sedans being offered with 4 wheel drive... Sorry, but the retards dropped the fucking ball. The AMC Eagle was a flop, and either the lack of good engineering or just being too afraid to make a poor marketing decision cost the Big 3 dearly... fucking retards. Will I ever buy an American car? Maybe a 1980 Vette will sit in my garage, be worked on for many years until I have perfected it... Other than that... it's all poorly built trash. Ever American car I have ever owned was pure fawkin trash... and they can't even sell that trash at a reasonable price because of labor costs. Kudos to foreign auto makers in beating us at our own game.
Link Posted: 1/10/2006 9:16:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Mattl:
GM and nearly all car companies problem is what? And based around what?

Labor and the cost of and related too. Who do we thank for this problem the union. UAW specificly.
I do not believe unskilled uneducated moron who works one station on an assembly line driving the screw on successive cars deserves $25+ dollars an hour + free insurance + free gym membership + pension + god knows what else for doing a job any non-retard can do. I just do not see what they bring to the marketplace for that price which is passed to the consumer. Product quality is certainly no better. Also I think unions are generally corrupt and usually support socialism a failed model. Fuck the union, and deregulate and free the market to manage itself. However I am not saying let them off the hook for what they already committed too.



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